Chris Brown (1 Viewer)

[LHUCKS]

Why this guy is on anybody's radar as a "sleeper" is beyond me.a) If he was good he would have been starting by now. I don't care how much of a team leader Eddie is. Eddie is over the hill and still beating out Brown.b) He can't stay healthy even as the backupc) He has shown me nothing when he has playedd) I don't care what he did in college(bienemy, Salaam, Penn State Runningbacks etc.)Someone please explain to me the fascination with Chris Brown?

 

[Maurile Tremblay]

He's probably the best RB on a team with a good offense.

 

[LHUCKS]

He's probably the best RB on a team with a good offense.

But why do you think he is a good runninback?Has he shown you anything during a game...if so I missed that one.Are you using the college stats argument?Seriously, if he was the best runningback on the team wouldn't he be getting more love from Fisher and the Titans?

 

[Colin Dowling]

Why this guy is on anybody's radar as a "sleeper" is beyond me.a) If he was good he would have been starting by now. I don't care how much of a team leader Eddie is. Brown is over the hill and still beating out Brown.b) He can't stay healthy even as the backupc) He has shown me nothing when he has playedd) I don't care what he did in college(bienemy, Salaam, Penn State Runningbacks etc.)Someone please explain to me the fascination with Chris Brown?

Unreal. I know you're not just fishing, but I expect better...1. You're being short-sighted to suggest that George is "still beating out Brown." In the second half of 2003 (including the playoffs), Brown had more yards-per-carry and more touchdowns than Eddie. How do you define "still beating out?" because George wasn't playing better...2. He actually stayed healthy in the aforementioned second part of the season. Based on this logic, I'll assume that Edgerring James, Culpepper, and Vick all have big black marks through them on your draft sheat.3. Then you haven't been watching. If you don't believe me, ask Ray Lewis or the Patriots O-line...4. Fine. I don't either. I do care that he's gotten better by the month since he came in to the league, culminating in 4 straight quality performances to finish the season.Colin

 

[EastBayFunk]

a) If he was good he would have been starting by now. I don't care how much of a team leader Eddie is. Eddie is over the hill and still beating out Brown.

I don't disagree that he's overhyped, but I disagree with this point. He missed almost all of training camp and a decent chunk of the regular season with hamstring problems. He really hasn't had time to win the starting job yet, but he was getting a lot of carries by the time the NFL playoffs came around.

 

[Eagle Eye]

I don't see people saying he's got all-world talent or anything, but he's a sleeper because he only has to beat out a fading, unsigned Eddie George to become a feature back on a team that scores alot of points.

 

[Maurile Tremblay]

Heimerdinger is confident veteran tailback Eddie George will be in camp. The coordinator said he's liked what he has seen of second-year pro Chris Brown.

''Chris has looked great. He's in great shape, has made all the workouts and he's really running good,'' he said.

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"Chris is continuing to do the things he's done all off-season, and that's just improve," Fisher said. "He's worked in the weight room, he's worked on the field. He's stronger and faster and he's really looking forward to this."

Titans offensive coordinator Mike Heimerdinger agreed: "He's always been good mentally. Right now, I think he's physically feeling better because of the offseason workouts he's been doing. He's bigger, stronger, carrying the ball well, has good quickness and has really done some good things."

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[bueno]

I think the Titans looking more at loyalty to a player (George) than to indivisual skills here. Brown's improvement is a matter of record. George's declining performance is also a matter of record.Whether Brown is good enough to be a full-time starter in this league remains to be seen, but for now, the smart money is that he'll get the bulk of the work for the Titans this year.I've tried to grab him as my #3 RB in every draft I've done this year, but someone is always beating me to him.

 

[LHUCKS]

Why this guy is on anybody's radar as a "sleeper" is beyond me.a) If he was good he would have been starting by now. I don't care how much of a team leader Eddie is. Brown is over the hill and still beating out Brown.b) He can't stay healthy even as the backupc) He has shown me nothing when he has playedd) I don't care what he did in college(bienemy, Salaam, Penn State Runningbacks etc.)Someone please explain to me the fascination with Chris Brown?

Unreal. I know you're not just fishing, but I expect better...1. You're being short-sighted to suggest that George is "still beating out Brown." In the second half of 2003 (including the playoffs), Brown had more yards-per-carry and more touchdowns than Eddie. How do you define "still beating out?" because George wasn't playing better...2. He actually stayed healthy in the aforementioned second part of the season. Based on this logic, I'll assume that Edgerring James, Culpepper, and Vick all have big black marks through them on your draft sheat.3. Then you haven't been watching. If you don't believe me, ask Ray Lewis or the Patriots O-line...4. Fine. I don't either. I do care that he's gotten better by the month since he came in to the league, culminating in 4 straight quality performances to finish the season.Colin

a) "beating out" means being declared the starter. George is the starter.b) "he's gotten better by the month"...honestly I haven't seen it. He has always looked mediocre at best to me.c) The fact that he has stayed healthy for 1/2 season just isn't enough for me. Very few good RBs start their careers the way Brown has his. Perhaps he's the exception, but I just don't see it.

 

[LHUCKS]

Heimerdinger is confident veteran tailback Eddie George will be in camp. The coordinator said he's liked what he has seen of second-year pro Chris Brown.''Chris has looked great. He's in great shape, has made all the workouts and he's really running good,'' he said.link"Chris is continuing to do the things he's done all off-season, and that's just improve," Fisher said. "He's worked in the weight room, he's worked on the field. He's stronger and faster and he's really looking forward to this." Titans offensive coordinator Mike Heimerdinger agreed: "He's always been good mentally. Right now, I think he's physically feeling better because of the offseason workouts he's been doing. He's bigger, stronger, carrying the ball well, has good quickness and has really done some good things." link

Those quotes sound to me like the staff is saying "he needs to improve."In contrast look at the Kevin Jones quotes...which are something like "wow" , "holy crap" etc. etc.I'm being fecetious but you get my point.

 

[Maurile Tremblay]

FWIW, here are last year's game recaps from the playoffs:

Versus the Ravens:

Tennessee's running backs played well right from the start. Eddie George (25-88, 2 catches for 9 yards) excelled despite missing most of the 2nd quarter with a dislocated shoulder. George carried 5 times for 21 yards on the Titans opening drive, which resulted in a 6-yard touchdown run by backup Chris Brown. Early on, George ran left, testing Baltimore rookie Terrell Suggs. In the 2nd quarter, they probed the middle of the line with equal success. George injured his shoulder when he tackled the Ravens Ed Reed after McNair's second interception. George sat out until the start of the 2nd half. He carried four times for 24 yards on the Titans other touchdown drive, then followed that up with two receptions for nine yards on the final drive.

Chris Brown (11-61-1, 1 catch for 2 yards) proved to be an excellent alternative to George. He showed good quickness to the hole, while still displaying most of Eddie George's power. His score came from six yards out, as he ran untouched into the end zone. With George out in the 2nd quarter, Brown carried four times for 27 yards

Versus the Patriots:

Eddie George: (16-48 rushing, 2-7 receiving on 2 targets) George attempted to power forward through tacklers unsuccessfully. His rushing attempts went for 2, 0, 4, 0, 3, 2, 3, 2, 1, 8, 7, 5, 0, 2, 3, and 2 yards. The numbers tell the story. George didn't make tacklers miss and showed no sign of cutting into holes.

Chris Brown: (7-35 1 TD rushing, 0-0 receiving on 0 targets) Brown entered the game on Tennessee's second series. His first two carries went for 4 and 5 yards resulting in a TD. Brown showed more elusive moves than George while breaking a few tackles.

Playoff Totals:

Eddie George: 3.3 YPC, 0 TDs

Chris Brown: 5.3 YPC, 2 TDs

 

[bagger]

Why this guy is on anybody's radar as a "sleeper" is beyond me.a) If he was good he would have been starting by now. I don't care how much of a team leader Eddie is. Eddie is over the hill and still beating out Brown.b) He can't stay healthy even as the backupc) He has shown me nothing when he has playedd) I don't care what he did in college(bienemy, Salaam, Penn State Runningbacks etc.)Someone please explain to me the fascination with Chris Brown?

lol at people drafting him before eddie george.

 

[EastBayFunk]

Why this guy is on anybody's radar as a "sleeper" is beyond me.a) If he was good he would have been starting by now.  I don't care how much of a team leader Eddie is.  Eddie is over the hill and still beating out Brown.b) He can't stay healthy even as the backupc) He has shown me nothing when he has playedd) I don't care what he did in college(bienemy, Salaam, Penn State Runningbacks etc.)Someone please explain to me the fascination with Chris Brown? 

lol at people drafting him before eddie george.

I think at this point you could make a case for drafting just about anyone before Eddie George.

 

[Colin Dowling]

Why this guy is on anybody's radar as a "sleeper" is beyond me.a) If he was good he would have been starting by now.  I don't care how much of a team leader Eddie is.  Brown is over the hill and still beating out Brown.b) He can't stay healthy even as the backupc) He has shown me nothing when he has playedd) I don't care what he did in college(bienemy, Salaam, Penn State Runningbacks etc.)Someone please explain to me the fascination with Chris Brown? 

Unreal. I know you're not just fishing, but I expect better...1. You're being short-sighted to suggest that George is "still beating out Brown." In the second half of 2003 (including the playoffs), Brown had more yards-per-carry and more touchdowns than Eddie. How do you define "still beating out?" because George wasn't playing better...2. He actually stayed healthy in the aforementioned second part of the season. Based on this logic, I'll assume that Edgerring James, Culpepper, and Vick all have big black marks through them on your draft sheat.3. Then you haven't been watching. If you don't believe me, ask Ray Lewis or the Patriots O-line...4. Fine. I don't either. I do care that he's gotten better by the month since he came in to the league, culminating in 4 straight quality performances to finish the season.Colin

a) "beating out" means being declared the starter. George is the starter.b) "he's gotten better by the month"...honestly I haven't seen it. He has always looked mediocre at best to me.c) The fact that he has stayed healthy for 1/2 season just isn't enough for me. Very few good RBs start their careers the way Brown has his. Perhaps he's the exception, but I just don't see it.

Dios mio...It is a measurable FACT that Chris Brown was better in December than he was in November, in which he was better than he was in October, and so forth. What part of increased opportunities, increased yards and yards per carry, and increased touchdowns and goalline opportunities are you not understanding?

a) "beating out" means being declared the starter. George is the starter.

Emmitt Smith was the "starter" in Arizona last year. Rodney Peete was the "starter" in Carolina. Doug Champman was the "starter" in Minnesota. ANd on and on and on. I like how you avoid thinking outside the box and draft only "starters."

c) The fact that he has stayed healthy for 1/2 season just isn't enough for me. Very few good RBs start their careers the way Brown has his. Perhaps he's the exception, but I just don't see it.

Actually, a great number of backs start out their careers the way Brown has. Shaun Alexander (64 rushes, 313 yards, 2 TDs as a rookie) comes to mind off the top of my head. COlin

 

[Maurile Tremblay]

I think at this point you could make a case for drafting just abotu anyone before Eddie George.

I agree. George has very little upside. Even if he starts, he'll be mediocre at best --nobody I'd want to start.If Chris Brown starts, maybe he'll be bad and maybe he'll be good. The possibility that he'll be good -- a possiblity E.George lacks -- makes him more desirable to me than George.

 

[bagger]

I think at this point you could make a case for drafting just abotu anyone before Eddie George.

I agree. George has very little upside. Even if he starts, he'll be mediocre at best --nobody I'd want to start.If Chris Brown starts, maybe he'll be bad and maybe he'll be good. The possibility that he'll be good -- a possiblity E.George lacks -- makes him more desirable to me than George.

the fact that you can get george in the 9th round and you have to spend a 3rd on brown is a critical point you're missing.

 

[Colin Dowling]

The fact that Eddie George in the 9th round is USELESS while Brown in the 3rd may well outperform that position is the point you're missing.Colin

 

[LHUCKS]

FWIW, here are last year's game recaps from the playoffs:

Versus the Ravens:

Tennessee's running backs played well right from the start. Eddie George (25-88, 2 catches for 9 yards) excelled despite missing most of the 2nd quarter with a dislocated shoulder. George carried 5 times for 21 yards on the Titans opening drive, which resulted in a 6-yard touchdown run by backup Chris Brown. Early on, George ran left, testing Baltimore rookie Terrell Suggs. In the 2nd quarter, they probed the middle of the line with equal success. George injured his shoulder when he tackled the Ravens Ed Reed after McNair's second interception. George sat out until the start of the 2nd half. He carried four times for 24 yards on the Titans other touchdown drive, then followed that up with two receptions for nine yards on the final drive.

Chris Brown (11-61-1, 1 catch for 2 yards) proved to be an excellent alternative to George. He showed good quickness to the hole, while still displaying most of Eddie George's power. His score came from six yards out, as he ran untouched into the end zone. With George out in the 2nd quarter, Brown carried four times for 27 yards

Versus the Patriots:

Eddie George: (16-48 rushing, 2-7 receiving on 2 targets) George attempted to power forward through tacklers unsuccessfully. His rushing attempts went for 2, 0, 4, 0, 3, 2, 3, 2, 1, 8, 7, 5, 0, 2, 3, and 2 yards. The numbers tell the story. George didn't make tacklers miss and showed no sign of cutting into holes.

Chris Brown: (7-35 1 TD rushing, 0-0 receiving on 0 targets) Brown entered the game on Tennessee's second series. His first two carries went for 4 and 5 yards resulting in a TD. Brown showed more elusive moves than George while breaking a few tackles.

Playoff Totals:

Eddie George: 3.3 YPC, 0 TDs

Chris Brown: 5.3 YPC, 2 TDs

Looks like Zereoue numbers when he first started getting some touches in PIT. I could list a multitude of other players that looked great in limited duty. My point is this, if Ten thought those numbers could be maintained for an entire game Eddie would not have been declared the starter already.I think these stats hold relatively little water when compared to the other qualitative factors that I have already mentioned. But I can see how some would look at these numbers and mistakenly over-rank him.

 

[bagger]

The fact that Eddie George in the 9th round is USELESS while Brown in the 3rd may well outperform that position is the point you're missing.Colin

:rotflmao: How is a 9th round pick on a likely 1,000 yard rusher useless?BAGGER

 

[bagger]

:rotflmao: i should have figured you grabbed him in the 3rd round of Survivor.i was wondering why you were so defensive.

 

[Maurile Tremblay]

the fact that you can get george in the 9th round and you have to spend a 3rd on brown is a critical point you're missing.

Why would I want to draft Eddie George in the ninth round? What am I going to do with him? The chance that he'll turn into a good fantasy starter this year is near zero. I'd rather have Maurice Morris or Musa Smith or someone like that. (Not talking Survivor leagues here.) At least they have a chance to do well if they end up starting. I don't think E.George does.

 

[Colin Dowling]

Likely 1000 yard rusher? Did you SEE Eddie George run as the year went on last year? More to the point, Eddie George had 4 weeks all of last season where he was a top-24 back. Week 3, 8, 9, and 11. Other than that, he was, in a word, "useless." If you started him, it was a wasted spot, and if it was Survivor style, he was a wasted pick. Now, add in that he's having a contract hic-cup, he had offseason knee surgery, AND he'll turn 31 in the first month of the season, and I don't see the point of having him on a FF roster in ANY round...Colin

 

[beef]

:rotflmao: It's fun reading the comments of the ones who took Brown in the 4th or 5th trying to defend it as a good pick. I just can't get the beating Wisconsin gave him in the Alomo Bowl out of my mind. He may be similar size to Eddie, but he'll never has his toughness.

 

[Colin Dowling]

:rotflmao: i should have figured you grabbed him in the 3rd round of Survivor.i was wondering why you were so defensive.

I don't like Brown because I picked him in Survivor. I picked him because I like him, and I'm happy to lay out the reasons why. Aside from the fact that LHUCKS has been around long enough to use the search function on this, he offered a post with little substance and then tried to refute fact with even less substance. I'll keep posting until his, "nah, I don't believe you" responses are good and buried. Colin

 

[LHUCKS]

Why this guy is on anybody's radar as a "sleeper" is beyond me.a) If he was good he would have been starting by now. I don't care how much of a team leader Eddie is. Brown is over the hill and still beating out Brown.b) He can't stay healthy even as the backupc) He has shown me nothing when he has playedd) I don't care what he did in college(bienemy, Salaam, Penn State Runningbacks etc.)Someone please explain to me the fascination with Chris Brown?

Unreal. I know you're not just fishing, but I expect better...1. You're being short-sighted to suggest that George is "still beating out Brown." In the second half of 2003 (including the playoffs), Brown had more yards-per-carry and more touchdowns than Eddie. How do you define "still beating out?" because George wasn't playing better...2. He actually stayed healthy in the aforementioned second part of the season. Based on this logic, I'll assume that Edgerring James, Culpepper, and Vick all have big black marks through them on your draft sheat.3. Then you haven't been watching. If you don't believe me, ask Ray Lewis or the Patriots O-line...4. Fine. I don't either. I do care that he's gotten better by the month since he came in to the league, culminating in 4 straight quality performances to finish the season.Colin

a) "beating out" means being declared the starter. George is the starter.b) "he's gotten better by the month"...honestly I haven't seen it. He has always looked mediocre at best to me.c) The fact that he has stayed healthy for 1/2 season just isn't enough for me. Very few good RBs start their careers the way Brown has his. Perhaps he's the exception, but I just don't see it.

Dios mio...It is a measurable FACT that Chris Brown was better in December than he was in November, in which he was better than he was in October, and so forth. What part of increased opportunities, increased yards and yards per carry, and increased touchdowns and goalline opportunities are you not understanding?

a) "beating out" means being declared the starter. George is the starter.

Emmitt Smith was the "starter" in Arizona last year. Rodney Peete was the "starter" in Carolina. Doug Champman was the "starter" in Minnesota. ANd on and on and on. I like how you avoid thinking outside the box and draft only "starters."

c) The fact that he has stayed healthy for 1/2 season just isn't enough for me. Very few good RBs start their careers the way Brown has his. Perhaps he's the exception, but I just don't see it.

Actually, a great number of backs start out their careers the way Brown has. Shaun Alexander (64 rushes, 313 yards, 2 TDs as a rookie) comes to mind off the top of my head. COlin

a) Shaun Alexander was behind Ahman Green, not a decrepit Eddie George. Furthermore, Alexander wasn't bothered by injuries the way Brown has been...I'm questioning his durability/toughness here.b) If "thinking outside of the box" means not believing the Titans organization when they say Eddie will be their starter, I guess I'm closeminded.c) Do you think that any of Brown's increased opportunity in the second half of the season were due to a worn down Eddie? My point is the following: reading between the lines I see Eddie as the everydown back all year, but Brown will play the Zereoue role to help keep Eddie fresh for the second half of the season...rendering Brown useless and completely overhyped.My guess is that the Titans spend a high pick on RB in 2005, because their actions and words tell me that they don't think Brown is an everydown NFL back. :bowtotheleft: :bowtotheright:

 

[Colin Dowling]

Why this guy is on anybody's radar as a "sleeper" is beyond me.a) If he was good he would have been starting by now.  I don't care how much of a team leader Eddie is.  Brown is over the hill and still beating out Brown.b) He can't stay healthy even as the backupc) He has shown me nothing when he has playedd) I don't care what he did in college(bienemy, Salaam, Penn State Runningbacks etc.)Someone please explain to me the fascination with Chris Brown? 

Unreal. I know you're not just fishing, but I expect better...1. You're being short-sighted to suggest that George is "still beating out Brown." In the second half of 2003 (including the playoffs), Brown had more yards-per-carry and more touchdowns than Eddie. How do you define "still beating out?" because George wasn't playing better...2. He actually stayed healthy in the aforementioned second part of the season. Based on this logic, I'll assume that Edgerring James, Culpepper, and Vick all have big black marks through them on your draft sheat.3. Then you haven't been watching. If you don't believe me, ask Ray Lewis or the Patriots O-line...4. Fine. I don't either. I do care that he's gotten better by the month since he came in to the league, culminating in 4 straight quality performances to finish the season.Colin

a) "beating out" means being declared the starter. George is the starter.b) "he's gotten better by the month"...honestly I haven't seen it. He has always looked mediocre at best to me.c) The fact that he has stayed healthy for 1/2 season just isn't enough for me. Very few good RBs start their careers the way Brown has his. Perhaps he's the exception, but I just don't see it.

Dios mio...It is a measurable FACT that Chris Brown was better in December than he was in November, in which he was better than he was in October, and so forth. What part of increased opportunities, increased yards and yards per carry, and increased touchdowns and goalline opportunities are you not understanding?

a) "beating out"  means being declared the starter. George is the starter.

Emmitt Smith was the "starter" in Arizona last year. Rodney Peete was the "starter" in Carolina. Doug Champman was the "starter" in Minnesota. ANd on and on and on. I like how you avoid thinking outside the box and draft only "starters."

c) The fact that he has stayed healthy for 1/2 season just isn't enough for me.  Very few good RBs start their careers the way Brown has his.  Perhaps he's the exception, but I just don't see it.

Actually, a great number of backs start out their careers the way Brown has. Shaun Alexander (64 rushes, 313 yards, 2 TDs as a rookie) comes to mind off the top of my head. COlin

a) Shaun Alexander was behind Ahman Green, not a decrepit Eddie George. Furthermore, Alexander wasn't bothered by injuries the way Brown has been...I'm questioning his durability/toughness here.b) If "thinking outside of the box" means not believing the Titans organization when they say Eddie will be their starter, I guess I'm closeminded.c) Do you think that any of Brown's increased opportunity in the second half of the season was due to a worn down Eddie? My point is this. Reading between the lines I see this: Eddie will be the everydown back all year, but Brown will play the Zereoue role to help keep Eddie fresh for the second half of the season...rendering Brown useless and completely overhyped.My guess is that the Titans spend a high pick on RB in 2005, because their actions and words tell me that they don't think Brown is an everydown NFL back. :bowtotheleft: :bowtotheright:

a) Actually, Shaun Alexander was behind a decrepit Ricky Watters, AKA a borderline Hall of Famer who's time had passed. Thanks for checking your facts.b) Where did you read/here that Eddie is the starter? Link? (Don't search, you won't find one.) The only thing out there says they expect Eddie to "be back" and that if they work out his contract, it will have incentive clauses based on performance.c) What are you bowing for? You've offered nothing of substance aside from your opinion, which is based on....nothing of substance.I'd love to know what lines you're reading between...COlin

 

[David Yudkin]

From last week's Boston Globe . . .

With 13 rookies to sign, Tennessee was $523,000 under the cap as of June 15. Only the Raiders, with $313,628 to spare, were in a tighter cap situation. Pretty soon, it's going to be crunch time for the Titans and running back Eddie George. "The money's got to come from somewhere," said a source within the organization, who handicapped the chances of George staying with the team this year at 50-50. George, whom the Titans paid a $1 million roster bonus in March, is scheduled to make $4.25 million this season and count $7.3 million against the cap, so the Titans want to reduce the 30-year-old's salary to $1.5 million. Tennessee needs about $4 million to sign its rookies. "Where does it come from?" the source said. "We've already renegotiated damn near everyone. There's only one more place for it to come. It's not like we can afford to pay him that." At the end of last week's minicamp, coach Jeff Fisher expressed optimism that George would remain a Titan. "I think everyone expects it to be resolved by [July 30]," Fisher said, referring to the start of training camp. "I've got confidence it's going to work out." If it doesn't, Tennessee's workhorse will be working elsewhere this fall.

LINKBasically, Tennessee can't sign any of their draft picks until they resolve the Eddie George situation.If George is not on the roster, does that change anyone's opinion of Brown?

 

[LHUCKS]

Aside from the fact that LHUCKS has been around long enough to use the search function on this, he offered a post with little substance and then tried to refute fact with even less substance. I'll keep posting until his, "nah, I don't believe you" responses are good and buried. Colin

Sorry for posting a new topic. Why dont the mods, just create a topic thread for every player and then nobody would need to create a new thread Let me know when we're done arguing about who has the biggest sandcastle.I'm not sure what kind of "substance" your looking for. Perhaps the white, powdery residue you were smoking when you took Brown way too early in the draft Seriously, I posted my reasons for why I think Brown is overrated. Are you looking for a thesis...do you want me to post stats from last season that I'm already aware of and that most everybody else is aware of?Chris Brown is overrated.

 

[LHUCKS]

From last week's Boston Globe . . .

With 13 rookies to sign, Tennessee was $523,000 under the cap as of June 15. Only the Raiders, with $313,628 to spare, were in a tighter cap situation. Pretty soon, it's going to be crunch time for the Titans and running back Eddie George. "The money's got to come from somewhere," said a source within the organization, who handicapped the chances of George staying with the team this year at 50-50. George, whom the Titans paid a $1 million roster bonus in March, is scheduled to make $4.25 million this season and count $7.3 million against the cap, so the Titans want to reduce the 30-year-old's salary to $1.5 million. Tennessee needs about $4 million to sign its rookies. "Where does it come from?" the source said. "We've already renegotiated damn near everyone. There's only one more place for it to come. It's not like we can afford to pay him that." At the end of last week's minicamp, coach Jeff Fisher expressed optimism that George would remain a Titan. "I think everyone expects it to be resolved by [July 30]," Fisher said, referring to the start of training camp. "I've got confidence it's going to work out." If it doesn't, Tennessee's workhorse will be working elsewhere this fall.

LINKBasically, Tennessee can't sign any of their draft picks until they resolve the Eddie George situation.If George is not on the roster, does that change anyone's opinion of Brown?

It would definitely change my opinion.The odds of that actually happening...50:1

 

[Colin Dowling]

Aside from the fact that LHUCKS has been around long enough to use the search function on this, he offered a post with little substance and then tried to refute fact with even less substance.  I'll keep posting until his, "nah, I don't believe you" responses are good and buried.  Colin

Sorry for posting a new topic...why dont the mods, just create a topic thread for every player and then nobody would need to create a new thread Let me know when we're done arguing about who has the biggest sandcastle.I'm not sure what kind of "substance" your looking for. Perhaps the white, powdery residue you were smoking when you took Brown way too early in the draft Seriously, I posted my reasons for why I think Brown is overrated. Are you looking for a thesis...do you want me to post stats from last season that I'm already aware of and that most everybody else is aware of?Chris Brown is overrated.

Yes, I would like that actually. THis board is full of posters that say things like, "I don't like Randy Moss because he has long hair. What do you think?" and that's a new thread. I expect more from your arguments, but I'll be happy to lower my expectations when reading your posts. If all you were interested in was posting a "I think he's overrated thread" than I'll move on to something with some substance.Also, you can hammer my picks all you want, it doesn't bother me one bit. Why? Because when Chris Brown for me, or Javon Walker for Unlucky, or any other player goes hog wild and "saves the day", we aren't going to be shy letting you know about it. I'm sure you'll be around to listen to the music too...And in case you missed it, SA was behind a decrepit borderline HOFer named Rickey Watters, not Ahman Green. Funny how the more talented young buck won out, isn't it? Colin

 

[LHUCKS]

Why this guy is on anybody's radar as a "sleeper" is beyond me.a) If he was good he would have been starting by now. I don't care how much of a team leader Eddie is. Brown is over the hill and still beating out Brown.b) He can't stay healthy even as the backupc) He has shown me nothing when he has playedd) I don't care what he did in college(bienemy, Salaam, Penn State Runningbacks etc.)Someone please explain to me the fascination with Chris Brown?

Unreal. I know you're not just fishing, but I expect better...1. You're being short-sighted to suggest that George is "still beating out Brown." In the second half of 2003 (including the playoffs), Brown had more yards-per-carry and more touchdowns than Eddie. How do you define "still beating out?" because George wasn't playing better...2. He actually stayed healthy in the aforementioned second part of the season. Based on this logic, I'll assume that Edgerring James, Culpepper, and Vick all have big black marks through them on your draft sheat.3. Then you haven't been watching. If you don't believe me, ask Ray Lewis or the Patriots O-line...4. Fine. I don't either. I do care that he's gotten better by the month since he came in to the league, culminating in 4 straight quality performances to finish the season.Colin

a) "beating out" means being declared the starter. George is the starter.b) "he's gotten better by the month"...honestly I haven't seen it. He has always looked mediocre at best to me.c) The fact that he has stayed healthy for 1/2 season just isn't enough for me. Very few good RBs start their careers the way Brown has his. Perhaps he's the exception, but I just don't see it.

Dios mio...It is a measurable FACT that Chris Brown was better in December than he was in November, in which he was better than he was in October, and so forth. What part of increased opportunities, increased yards and yards per carry, and increased touchdowns and goalline opportunities are you not understanding?

a) "beating out" means being declared the starter. George is the starter.

Emmitt Smith was the "starter" in Arizona last year. Rodney Peete was the "starter" in Carolina. Doug Champman was the "starter" in Minnesota. ANd on and on and on. I like how you avoid thinking outside the box and draft only "starters."

c) The fact that he has stayed healthy for 1/2 season just isn't enough for me. Very few good RBs start their careers the way Brown has his. Perhaps he's the exception, but I just don't see it.

Actually, a great number of backs start out their careers the way Brown has. Shaun Alexander (64 rushes, 313 yards, 2 TDs as a rookie) comes to mind off the top of my head. COlin

a) Shaun Alexander was behind Ahman Green, not a decrepit Eddie George. Furthermore, Alexander wasn't bothered by injuries the way Brown has been...I'm questioning his durability/toughness here.b) If "thinking outside of the box" means not believing the Titans organization when they say Eddie will be their starter, I guess I'm closeminded.c) Do you think that any of Brown's increased opportunity in the second half of the season was due to a worn down Eddie? My point is this. Reading between the lines I see this: Eddie will be the everydown back all year, but Brown will play the Zereoue role to help keep Eddie fresh for the second half of the season...rendering Brown useless and completely overhyped.My guess is that the Titans spend a high pick on RB in 2005, because their actions and words tell me that they don't think Brown is an everydown NFL back. :bowtotheleft: :bowtotheright:

a) Actually, Shaun Alexander was behind a decrepit Ricky Watters, AKA a borderline Hall of Famer who's time had passed. Thanks for checking your facts.b) Where did you read/here that Eddie is the starter? Link? (Don't search, you won't find one.) The only thing out there says they expect Eddie to "be back" and that if they work out his contract, it will have incentive clauses based on performance.c) What are you bowing for? You've offered nothing of substance aside from your opinion, which is based on....nothing of substance.I'd love to know what lines you're reading between...COlin

a) I actually think Ricky looked great all the way up to his last injury...he sure as hell wasn't as slow as Eddie.b)I believe I've provided a very good high-level, qualitative analysis of why Brown is overrated. If you don't value that as substance so be it. c) I'm not your librarian, it is well-known that the Titans organization intends to have Eddie start.

 

[Colin Dowling]

c) I'm not your librarian, it is well-known that the Titans organization intends to have Eddie start.

No its not, and you look silly continuing to insist its so.

It would definitely change my opinion.The odds of that actually happening...50:1

So a team source puts it at 50-50, and you derive 50:1? Holy smokes...Colin

 

[David Yudkin]

It would definitely change my opinion.The odds of that actually happening...50:1

The odds listed in the article from someone with the team were 50%-50%.The odds from you -- not with the team at all: 50:1.

 

[LHUCKS]

Aside from the fact that LHUCKS has been around long enough to use the search function on this, he offered a post with little substance and then tried to refute fact with even less substance. I'll keep posting until his, "nah, I don't believe you" responses are good and buried. Colin

Sorry for posting a new topic...why dont the mods, just create a topic thread for every player and then nobody would need to create a new thread Let me know when we're done arguing about who has the biggest sandcastle.I'm not sure what kind of "substance" your looking for. Perhaps the white, powdery residue you were smoking when you took Brown way too early in the draft Seriously, I posted my reasons for why I think Brown is overrated. Are you looking for a thesis...do you want me to post stats from last season that I'm already aware of and that most everybody else is aware of?Chris Brown is overrated.

Yes, I would like that actually. THis board is full of posters that say things like, "I don't like Randy Moss because he has long hair. What do you think?" and that's a new thread. I expect more from your arguments, but I'll be happy to lower my expectations when reading your posts. If all you were interested in was posting a "I think he's overrated thread" than I'll move on to something with some substance.Also, you can hammer my picks all you want, it doesn't bother me one bit. Why? Because when Chris Brown for me, or Javon Walker for Unlucky, or any other player goes hog wild and "saves the day", we aren't going to be shy letting you know about it. I'm sure you'll be around to listen to the music too...And in case you missed it, SA was behind a decrepit borderline HOFer named Rickey Watters, not Ahman Green. Funny how the more talented young buck won out, isn't it? Colin

This thread was not aimed at you. Brown is overrated by most of the fantasy community IMO...not just you...not just FBG.com.Seems to me you have a bit of a chip on your shoulder.Sometimes it seems that you can't post a strong opinion on a player without someone getting bent out of shape or taking it personally. Re-read the thread...you'll notice I posted strong opinions but at no point was antagonizing anybody.Sheesh.Would anybody else like to add why they think Brown is worthy of his lofty ranking?

 

[bueno]

Shhh...I'm trying to get him in a betting league.....Actually, is Chris Brown really the 30th RB overall and worthy of a 6th round pick?Actually, I would consider him a better option than any Denver, Oakland, Cleveland,or Chicago running back, at least at this point in the season. He might be better than the potential rbbc brewing in Tampa Bay or Atlanta.Like I said, a good RB#3 on a fantasy team, but if you want him, you'll have to get him no later than early 5th round, IMO

 

[LHUCKS]

c) I'm not your librarian, it is well-known that the Titans organization intends to have Eddie start.

No its not, and you look silly continuing to insist its so.

It would definitely change my opinion.The odds of that actually happening...50:1

So a team source puts it at 50-50, and you derive 50:1? Holy smokes...Colin

Well I guess I'm "thinking outside of the box" when I say that I don't believe the 50/50 comments one bit.

 

[Unlucky]

I'm caught in the middle. I drafted George in the 9th of our Survivor league, so I'd like to see him at least play a bit. However, I have C. Brown for cheap in my longtime contract/salary cap league with friends. Honestly, I think George is toast. I think he's no longer effective and won't be anytime in the future. However, I'm not sold on C. Brown being a good RB. I'd like to see a little more from him, or maybe I need to do some more research. Anyway, this will be a very interested battle in the preseason.

 

[VICK-IS-GOD]

And in case you missed it, SA was behind a decrepit borderline HOFer named Rickey Watters, not Ahman Green. Funny how the more talented young buck won out, isn't it?

Alexander was a highly regarded RB out of college who was drafted in the 1st round. Brown was thought of as talented, but obvioulsy not star material at the point of the 2003 draft as he fell to the 3rd round.Until Brown proves different, the only thing him and Alexander had in common was being behind an aging vet. Whether Brown is talented enough to take over is far from a given.Alexander was looked at as the heir apparent to Watters, Brown may become the heir apparent to Eddie, but until he proves his drop to the 3rd round was a big mistake, it is far from a given that the Titans look at him as the guy who is going to take over for Eddie.Comparing the Alexander-Ricky Watters and C.Brown-Eddie George situations and looking at them as similar is very misleading.If you think C.Brown and Alexander are similar talents then I see the comparison, otherwise I don't see it.

 

[Blackadder]

How can almost any potential starting rb be over rated by being ranked as a 3rd-4th round pick? It's not like he is being hyped as a top 5 pick overall. So you pass on him, and feel happy because someone in you league will take him sooner then you would. There are lots of players that go in every draft sooner then I would draft them. That's what makes it so fun since we all use different draft sheets and have different opinions. The important thing is to know when each player will be gone by. If you are interested in Brown you should target him in the 3rd round, or the odds are that he will be gone by the 4th. That's if your drafting know. I am sure we will have a better understanding of the situation after a preseason game or two. If he goes off for a hundred yards in the first or 2nd preseason game he is suddenly a second round pick.

 

[heyshady]

The fact that Eddie George in the 9th round is USELESS while Brown in the 3rd may well outperform that position is the point you're missing.Colin

I disagree with this and agree with sandbagger. Eddie in the 9th is the much better value. At an absolute MAX... Chris Brown gets 50% of the workload. This situation will be identical to Kevan Barlow's first few years in the NFL splitting time with aging Garrison Hearst.Just my opinion.

 

[Foosball God]

The fact that Eddie George in the 9th round is USELESS while Brown in the 3rd may well outperform that position is the point you're missing.Colin

I disagree with this and agree with sandbagger. Eddie in the 9th is the much better value. At an absolute MAX... Chris Brown gets 50% of the workload. This situation will be identical to Kevan Barlow's first few years in the NFL splitting time with aging Garrison Hearst.Just my opinion.

How do you figure that he gets 50% of the carries at "MAX"? Eddie hasn't signed yet and judging by the article Yudkin linked the chances of him coming back are 50/50. If George doesn't come back who's getting the other 50% of the carries? :graduate:

 

[EastBayFunk]

The fact that Eddie George in the 9th round is USELESS while Brown in the 3rd may well outperform that position is the point you're missing.Colin

I disagree with this and agree with sandbagger. Eddie in the 9th is the much better value. At an absolute MAX... Chris Brown gets 50% of the workload. This situation will be identical to Kevan Barlow's first few years in the NFL splitting time with aging Garrison Hearst.Just my opinion.

How do you figure that he gets 50% of the carries at "MAX"? Eddie hasn't signed yet and judging by the artical Yudkin linked the chances of him coming back are 50/50. If George doesn't come back who's getting the other 50% of the carries? :graduate:

Jake Schifino?

 

[beef]

The fact that Eddie George in the 9th round is USELESS while Brown in the 3rd may well outperform that position is the point you're missing.Colin

I disagree with this and agree with sandbagger. Eddie in the 9th is the much better value. At an absolute MAX... Chris Brown gets 50% of the workload. This situation will be identical to Kevan Barlow's first few years in the NFL splitting time with aging Garrison Hearst.Just my opinion.

How do you figure that he gets 50% of the carries at "MAX"? Eddie hasn't signed yet and judging by the article Yudkin linked the chances of him coming back are 50/50. If George doesn't come back who's getting the other 50% of the carries? :graduate:

Eddie was never cut so he doesn't need to resign. He's due 4.25 mil this year and might get cut later on, but right now he is still under contract with Tenn.

 

[Foosball God]

The fact that Eddie George in the 9th round is USELESS while Brown in the 3rd may well outperform that position is the point you're missing.Colin

I disagree with this and agree with sandbagger. Eddie in the 9th is the much better value. At an absolute MAX... Chris Brown gets 50% of the workload. This situation will be identical to Kevan Barlow's first few years in the NFL splitting time with aging Garrison Hearst.Just my opinion.

How do you figure that he gets 50% of the carries at "MAX"? Eddie hasn't signed yet and judging by the article Yudkin linked the chances of him coming back are 50/50. If George doesn't come back who's getting the other 50% of the carries? :graduate:

Eddie was never cut so he doesn't need to resign. He's due 4.25 mil this year and might get cut later on, but right now he is still under contract with Tenn.

But isn't it a forgone conclusion that he will either restructure or be cut? Isn't that the 50/50 proposition? :graduate:

 

[Maurile Tremblay]

But isn't it a forgone conclusion that he will either restructure or be cut?

Yes. He's not really signed right now since is contract is untenable for the Titans. If he doesn't re-sign, he'll be cut.He will probably re-sign, IMO. I'd put the odds at higher than 50-50, depending on what he's willing to take. If he gets cut, I don't think any other team will be interested in paying more than the vet minimum; so he ought to be willing to work with the Titans.If the best RB wins the job, maybe it'll be George and maybe it'll be Brown. If it's George, the Titans won't produce any decent fantasy RBs this year. If it's Brown, they might. Basically, we know what we're getting with George, and it's not all that good. We don't know what we're getting with Brown, so it might be good.

 

[Burning Sensation]

Eddie George is proven, he has showed us over the last 3 seasons what kind of numbers to expect while getting the bulk of the carries. Due to that, i will cross Eddie George right off my draft board. Chris Brown is a bit overhyped, but at least the potential for a good season is there. For those of you who think Eddie George looked better running the ball last year than Brown should retire from fantasy football right now, because you have horrible judgment.

 

[VICK-IS-GOD]

If the best RB wins the job, maybe it'll be George and maybe it'll be Brown. If it's George, the Titans won't produce any decent fantasy RBs this year. If it's Brown, they might. Basically, we know what we're getting with George, and it's not all that good. We don't know what we're getting with Brown, so it might be good.

But burning an early pick on a guy who was drafted in the 3rd round in the 2003 NFL draft because he "might" be good is not something that I would call a smart move.He has to prove his drop in the 2003 NFL draft was a mistake before someone invests such a high pick in their FF league on him, until he does that he is just another 3rd rounder who will likely amount to nothing.

 

[bagger]

Eddie George is proven, he has showed us over the last 3 seasons what kind of numbers to expect while getting the bulk of the carries. Due to that, i will cross Eddie George right off my draft board. Chris Brown is a bit overhyped, but at least the potential for a good season is there. For those of you who think Eddie George looked better running the ball last year than Brown should retire from fantasy football right now, because you have horrible judgment.

:rotflmao: you're right. drafting george late in the draft makes no sense. you seriously wouldn't want him as a RB 4? not every pick has to be the home run.i'm all about manufacturing ff points.

 

[Maurile Tremblay]

But burning an early pick on a guy who was drafted in the 3rd round in the 2003 NFL draft because he "might" be good is not something that I would call a smart move.

I've surely never argued otherwise.

 

[Huskylaw]

Somebody remember to bump this after week 7 of the NFL season! E. George may be 3 yards and a cloud of dust now, but if he re-signs I expect Coach Fisher to keep tossing him in there. Maybe not enough to qualify as a fantasy star, but a 1000 yard season wouldn't surprise me. That said, if I could get Brown for value, I'd snap him up in a redraft -- and might even reach for him in a keeper draft.