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LHUCKS
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a) I'm shocked Eddie didn't stay with the team...if anybody can say they knew it would play out like that they are lyingb) Chris Brown still sucksc) There is a good chance the Titans bring in some RB helpThis isn't foolish pride, I honestly don't think Brown is an NFL caliber RB so I'll be sticking to my guns on this one. His new ADP will probably be way too high in "expert" leagues going forward.So like I said in the title of this thread...Brown = overhyped.
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tommyGunZ
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:rotflmao: a) agreed. I thought Eddie would stay.b) How do you know? No one knows - sample size is too small. Once thing we do know, you don't have to be a great RB to put up good fantasy stats if you're getting all the touches in a high octane offense.c) agreed, but Brown will get the majority of the carries (70%), so he's worth a 3rd rounder just based on opportunity.Foolish pride will get you nowhere LHUCKS. I was critical of Brown advocates 3 weeks ago - time to own up and admit we were wrong.
LHUCKS
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a) I haven't read anything that leads me to believe that Brown will be getting 70% of the touches, there is way too much up in the air before anybody can draw that conclusion.b) I saw every Tennessee game last year, he didn't look like an NFL caliber RB to me. I don't care what his YPC was during any specific games. I think this is the part that people are forgetting about Brown...he really didn't look good last year. If he did the Titans wouldn't be offering 1.5 for the decrepit Eddie to come back and be their main ball carrier. c) Like I said in my last post, this isn't foolish pride and I will back it up in all of my money FBG drafts this year as well as my other expert drafts...SOS II, Survivor II etc. etc. He will not be on any of my teams given his current ADP. I'll admit that I'm wrong when Brown merits his draft spot with stats...at least enough to warrant a 5th or 6th round pick and in some cases the 3rd round. He is way overrated and I will be shocked if he merits his ADP this year. His down side is far greater than his upside IMHO.
Family Matters
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56 221 3.9. Wow 2003 was impressive..NOT. He didn't do much better than Eddie on his YPC. If all you can do is 3.9 you won't be running for long. I'll let someone else overvalue him and take him too early. I would take him as a RB3 but not as an RB2. Not this year anyway.
In a redraft league maybe...but in a dynasty league CB was drafted rounds ago. I still don't see the problem with CB...he played in the Big 12..a running conference...against teams geared to stop the run...Yeah he runs tall...duhh he is tall.56 221 3.9. Wow 2003 was impressive..NOT. He didn't do much better than Eddie on his YPC. If all you can do is 3.9 you won't be running for long. I'll let someone else overvalue him and take him too early. I would take him as a RB3 but not as an RB2. Not this year anyway.
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LHUCKS
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People are arguing that his YPC increased as the season went on, thus that incrase will carry over into this season...which is ridiculous, but that is the argument.Brown took what the offense gave him and no more. He is a medicore RB. Anybody who watches football or has played the game or both can easily see this guy is not an NFL caliber starting RB. I just haven't seen it. Until I do, he will not be drafted by me given his ADP...which I suspect is somewhere in the late 3rd/early 4th now.56 221 3.9. Wow 2003 was impressive..NOT. He didn't do much better than Eddie on his YPC. If all you can do is 3.9 you won't be running for long. I'll let someone else overvalue him and take him too early. I would take him as a RB3 but not as an RB2. Not this year anyway.
beef
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The Big Ten is also a running conference and many of their great RB's have failed.In a redraft league maybe...but in a dynasty league CB was drafted rounds ago. I still don't see the problem with CB...he played in the Big 12..a running conference...against teams geared to stop the run...Yeah he runs tall tall...duhh he is tall.56 221 3.9. Wow 2003 was impressive..NOT. He didn't do much better than Eddie on his YPC. If all you can do is 3.9 you won't be running for long. I'll let someone else overvalue him and take him too early. I would take him as a RB3 but not as an RB2. Not this year anyway.
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LHUCKS
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The big 12 has more NFL runningback flops than China has Chinamen. This is an argument against Brown, not for...trust me.In a redraft league maybe...but in a dynasty league CB was drafted rounds ago. I still don't see the problem with CB...he played in the Big 12..a running conference...against teams geared to stop the run...Yeah he runs tall...duhh he is tall.56 221 3.9. Wow 2003 was impressive..NOT. He didn't do much better than Eddie on his YPC. If all you can do is 3.9 you won't be running for long. I'll let someone else overvalue him and take him too early. I would take him as a RB3 but not as an RB2. Not this year anyway.
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LHUCKS
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Yeah, that was a bit overstated I'll give you that.My point was that if you watched him last year it was obvious that he was missing that something it takes to be a consistent productive NFL RB. There is always a chance that Brown drastically improves over the offseason(The Titans are saying he is progressing), but I'll believe it when I see it. Some guys just don't have the talent.
LHUCKS
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I seem to be getting the reputation of a gloater which is obviously not my aim. I like to talk trash to those I beat because I like good competition. Also, I have very strong opinions on certain players and on strategy, but I don't know that I'm any brighter or knowledgable than many on these boards. Perhaps I should take the Staff approach an be more gentle with my persuasionOne of the best quotes I've seen on the boards in a while. Although LHUCKS doesn't seem to be lacking in needing a pat on the back for anything.
fridayfrenzy
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Is bending over backwards offering a 2/3 pay cut, promising significant less playing time and not budging on a Hall of Fame player who has been loyal to his team? Seems like you got your wires crossed.
fridayfrenzy
Footballguy
More like Chris Brown '04 = Eddie George '02 (10th best RB)
JohnnyU
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You are so way off base concerning Chris Brown it isn't funny. When he did play last year (mainly in the plaoffs), he looked very good. I'll hold my judgement of him until after he is given his shot, thank you very much.I seem to be getting the reputation of a gloater which is obviously not my aim. I like to talk trash to those I beat because I like good competition. Also, I have very strong opinions on certain players and on strategy, but I don't know that I'm any brighter or knowledgable than many on these boards. Perhaps I should take the Staff approach an be more gentle with my persuasionOne of the best quotes I've seen on the boards in a while. Although LHUCKS doesn't seem to be lacking in needing a pat on the back for anything.
SuperJohn96
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Go Jarret Payton!
Banger
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b) I saw every Tennessee game last year, he didn't look like an NFL caliber RB to me. I don't care what his YPC was during any specific games. I think this is the part that people are forgetting about Brown...he really didn't look good last year. If he did the Titans wouldn't be offering 1.5 for the decrepit Eddie to come back and be their main ball carrier.
c) Like I said in my last post, this isn't foolish pride and I will back it up in all of my money FBG drafts this year as well as my other expert drafts...SOS II, Survivor II etc. etc. He will not be on any of my teams given his current ADP.
I'll admit that I'm wrong when Brown merits his draft spot with stats...at least enough to warrant a 5th or 6th round pick and in some cases the 3rd round. He is way overrated and I will be shocked if he merits his ADP this year. His down side is far greater than his upside IMHO.
I think you are forgetting, he was a rookie last year coming off a serious hamstring pull. So for someone to start off slow and improve as time went on makes sense (which is what happened).
Again, you're assuming that Eddie would have been the main ball carrier if he returned but from what I have read they have made no such assurances, actually to the contrary. So much so that they offered George an incentive laden contract that he didn't feel that would get the chance to fulfill (probably because he realized that he wouldn't get the carries). But that whole discussion is probably moot anyway.
If he looked that bad as you say why would they even flirt with cutting George and going with Brown? Why would he even be on their roster?
You seriously don't think he is worth a 5th to 6th rounder now? I'll agree that there is a lot of time to see how this whole situation shakes out so it may be early to spend a 3rd on him but a 5th or 6th? He'd be a steal there right now.
c) Like I said in my last post, this isn't foolish pride and I will back it up in all of my money FBG drafts this year as well as my other expert drafts...SOS II, Survivor II etc. etc. He will not be on any of my teams given his current ADP.
I'll admit that I'm wrong when Brown merits his draft spot with stats...at least enough to warrant a 5th or 6th round pick and in some cases the 3rd round. He is way overrated and I will be shocked if he merits his ADP this year. His down side is far greater than his upside IMHO.
I think you are forgetting, he was a rookie last year coming off a serious hamstring pull. So for someone to start off slow and improve as time went on makes sense (which is what happened).
Again, you're assuming that Eddie would have been the main ball carrier if he returned but from what I have read they have made no such assurances, actually to the contrary. So much so that they offered George an incentive laden contract that he didn't feel that would get the chance to fulfill (probably because he realized that he wouldn't get the carries). But that whole discussion is probably moot anyway.
If he looked that bad as you say why would they even flirt with cutting George and going with Brown? Why would he even be on their roster?
You seriously don't think he is worth a 5th to 6th rounder now? I'll agree that there is a lot of time to see how this whole situation shakes out so it may be early to spend a 3rd on him but a 5th or 6th? He'd be a steal there right now.
Iwannabeacowboybaby!
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Bagger, this one is almost as bad as those predictions about the Lakers over Pistons.Why this guy is on anybody's radar as a "sleeper" is beyond me.a) If he was good he would have been starting by now. I don't care how much of a team leader Eddie is. Eddie is over the hill and still beating out Brown.b) He can't stay healthy even as the backupc) He has shown me nothing when he has playedd) I don't care what he did in college(bienemy, Salaam, Penn State Runningbacks etc.)Someone please explain to me the fascination with Chris Brown?
lol at people drafting him before eddie george.
Iwannabeacowboybaby!
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Somehow I doubt that. Chris Brown at least runs hard. Troy Hambrick is a patty cake RB who fell down when he got hit. Brown is a young strong guy who will move the pile forward. You make the bet beef and I'll bet you Brown gets more yards this year than Hambrick did last year.
Enraged Nerfball
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The Big 12 also has produced some pretty good RB's. Maybe you have heard of a few?Barry SandersGale SayersEarl CampbellThurman ThomasRicky WilliamsAhman GreenAlso add a pretty good RB in Billy Sims. No telling how good he could have been absent injuries.The big 12 has more NFL runningback flops than China has Chinamen. This is an argument against Brown, not for...trust me.In a redraft league maybe...but in a dynasty league CB was drafted rounds ago. I still don't see the problem with CB...he played in the Big 12..a running conference...against teams geared to stop the run...Yeah he runs tall...duhh he is tall.56 221 3.9. Wow 2003 was impressive..NOT. He didn't do much better than Eddie on his YPC. If all you can do is 3.9 you won't be running for long. I'll let someone else overvalue him and take him too early. I would take him as a RB3 but not as an RB2. Not this year anyway.
Family Matters
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I think any argument for or against that a runner will be good based on their college conference is a vain attempt to support your argument. It doesn't matter what conf they ran in college. Brown has had an opportunity to show his ability in the NFL. So far, it isn't impressive. From a FF perspective, neither was Eddie in any HP leagues. Brown will do OK but I don't think he's more than a bye week filler for HP leagues.
Colin Dowling
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:sigh:I'm done trying to make my point. If you think Chris Brown is overrated or won't produce, so be it. But when he gets drafted around RB22-25 in your redraft, and then produces top-20 numbers (thus Chris Brown = Value), I'll make sure and stop by for a beer... 
Colin
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Your point of value is valid. I still do not like him for my team unless he is my 3rd RB. Getting 3 RB top 20 is possible depending on your league but I am not convinced he will be the guy that I can count on to win my leagues.:sigh:I'm done trying to make my point. If you think Chris Brown is overrated or won't produce, so be it. But when he gets drafted around RB22-25 in your redraft, and then produces top-20 numbers (thus Chris Brown = Value), I'll make sure and stop by for a beer...
David Yudkin
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I'm not going to make a case for or against Brown based on his ypc numbers, as it is SUCH a small sample size. Yes, his ypc during the regular season was 3.9 overall . . . But consider this:- If you include the post season, his ypc overall was 4.3- If you count the second part of the year and the postseason his ypc was almost 5.0- Including the post-season, George had a 3.3 ypc. Running behind the same line, Brown produced at a rate of a FULL YARD more per carry than George did. As I said, even if it were 2.8 or 8.2, it wouldn't make that much difference as he has barely had a chance to get on the field when you stop and think of it.Lamont Jordan had a ypc of 7.5 in his rookie year, so he clearly should have been the starter if you go just by that.Walter Payton had a 3.5 ypc his first year and LT's was a meager 3.6. So I guess those guys should have been benched in favor for a player like Jordan.(I'm not comparing Brown to Payton or LT, just illustrating the numbers can be whacky sometimes.)56 221 3.9. Wow 2003 was impressive..NOT. He didn't do much better than Eddie on his YPC. If all you can do is 3.9 you won't be running for long. I'll let someone else overvalue him and take him too early. I would take him as a RB3 but not as an RB2. Not this year anyway.
Robert Holcombe '04 = Moe Williams '03While everyone will dismiss Holcombe as an every down back, I think he will be putting up numbers similar to Moe Williams first half of last year, and people will be kicking themselves for passing over him in the late rounds. The Titans offense has shown they can move the ball without the threat of a running game, and i expect that Holcombe can easily match George's Yards Per Carry of the last few years. If the Titans do not pick anyone else up I see Holcombe being the Titans choice at RB.
Gatorman
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Isn't the real question here opportunity?Chris Brown will be the opening day starter vs. the Dolphins barring injury. He may not have a great game against miami, but not many Running Backs do. Anyhow, you really have to ask yourself, who is behind chris brown to give him a push for the starting RB position, Jarret Payton??? Payton couldn't crack the starting lineup in Miami, and Miami runners the past few years have been sufferring from some injuries that should have opened the door for payton to do SOMETHING.Chris Brown will get AT LEAST 250 carries in this offense if he remains healthy. If that ain't worth a 5th or 6th round pick (ADP = 6.04) then you are nuts.If you are so in love with the Jones boys, I don't see how you can think that Brown doesn't do as well as they do, especially considering how physical Tenn plays on both sides of the ball.
David Yudkin
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Hmmmm . . . to each his own, I guess.Here's the skinny on Holcombe:- Lifetime 3.4 ypc- 4 of 6 years with a ypc 3.3 or less- Most TD in a season: 5- Most receptions in a season: 19- 2003 ypc: 3.2- Never even had 300 yards rushing in a season- Only had 100+ receiving yards twice
Gatorman
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I'd love to see this happen, but I don't think it will. It is one thing to say that if holcombe was the go to guy down the stretch, but he wasn't. Holcombe and payton only become viable options if Brown goes down.Holcombe = Poor mans steven Jackson, Chris Perry, or Musa Smith
Titans2003
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If Holcombe is the man at RB for the Titans, it's only because we want to tank the season and get a Benson/C Williams in the draft next year. Holcombe looks good in stretches, and probably will start the season as our 3rd down back, but that's it.
Enraged Nerfball
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Hucks, your up in NM
Banger
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That is one writers opinion and he is guessing just as we are. They don't know who they will sign, if they will sign someone, what impact they will have on carries, etc....I don't rely on sportsline for fantasy advice.Blurb I just read on CBS that appears to echo my sentiments:
Two key words = "At Best"
David Yudkin
Footballguy
I agree wholeheartedly with the "sometimes RB2 but normally RB3 statement." However, there is also no denying that if Brown were to do well he could PRODUCE as a true RB2.I don't think those in the Brown camp are contemplating using him as their RB2, but they are taking him as a decent RB3 option with "opportunity upside" (as opposed to someone that could be a RB3 with "talent upside").Does Brown have a chance to be a Top 10 RB this year? I doubt it. Does Brown have a chance to be a Top 20 RB? Probably. Does Brown have a chance to be a Top 30 RB? Absolutely.I would rather draft Brown earlier than relying on another RB in later rounds as someone to play if needed. Basically, Brown should be ok for bye weeks and injury coverage. I think that's a decent role for him. Expecting more out of this situation is a reach in my book.Blurb I just read on CBS that appears to echo my sentiments:
Two key words = "At Best"
LHUCKS
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Nor do I. Nevertheless, it is the first synopsis I've seen and it supports my assertions which people have been attempting to blast me on for the last two months...attempting.That is one writers opinion and he is guessing just as we are. They don't know who they will sign, if they will sign someone, what impact they will have on carries, etc....I don't rely on sportsline for fantasy advice.Blurb I just read on CBS that appears to echo my sentiments:
Two key words = "At Best"
LHUCKS
Footballguy
David,The writer is saying RB2 when he has favorable matchups "At best."At Best = Upside/PotentialIf that is the upside and Candidate of 2003 is the downside....I come back to my original conclusion and the title of this topic that I started months ago....Chris Brown equals overhyped and overvalued.I agree wholeheartedly with the "sometimes RB2 but normally RB3 statement." However, there is also no denying that if Brown were to do well he could PRODUCE as a true RB2.I don't think those in the Brown camp are contemplating using him as their RB2, but they are taking him as a decent RB3 option with "opportunity upside" (as opposed to someone that could be a RB3 with "talent upside").Does Brown have a chance to be a Top 10 RB this year? I doubt it. Does Brown have a chance to be a Top 20 RB? Probably. Does Brown have a chance to be a Top 30 RB? Absolutely.I would rather draft Brown earlier than relying on another RB in later rounds as someone to play if needed. Basically, Brown should be ok for bye weeks and injury coverage. I think that's a decent role for him. Expecting more out of this situation is a reach in my book.Blurb I just read on CBS that appears to echo my sentiments:
Two key words = "At Best"
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David Yudkin
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I still say Brown will run circles around DeShaun Foster's numbers this year.But that's why they play the games . . .
Banger
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Might as well stop the debate because we won't know who was right/wrong until several weeks into the season. I am willing to take a gamble on a guy whose team that traditionally runs the ball and has a great chance of being the starter. No one has a crystal ball but the opportunity is there and that is 2/3 of the battle. I don't think anyone is predicting top 10 but like Yudkin said most are hoping for a good RB2. Nothing that anyone writes will change your opinion, even though when the thread started you stated that if George wasn't on the team that it would change your opinion but you put the chances of George getting cut at 50:1. Question and quote below...If George is not on the roster, does that change anyone's opinion of Brown? It would definitely change my opinion.The odds of that actually happening...50:1David,The writer is saying RB2 when he has favorable matchups "At best."At Best = Upside/PotentialIf that is the upside and Candidate of 2003 is the downside....I come back to my original conclusion....Chris Brown equals overhyped and overvalued.I agree wholeheartedly with the "sometimes RB2 but normally RB3 statement." However, there is also no denying that if Brown were to do well he could PRODUCE as a true RB2.I don't think those in the Brown camp are contemplating using him as their RB2, but they are taking him as a decent RB3 option with "opportunity upside" (as opposed to someone that could be a RB3 with "talent upside").Does Brown have a chance to be a Top 10 RB this year? I doubt it. Does Brown have a chance to be a Top 20 RB? Probably. Does Brown have a chance to be a Top 30 RB? Absolutely.I would rather draft Brown earlier than relying on another RB in later rounds as someone to play if needed. Basically, Brown should be ok for bye weeks and injury coverage. I think that's a decent role for him. Expecting more out of this situation is a reach in my book.Blurb I just read on CBS that appears to echo my sentiments:
Two key words = "At Best"
BigJim®
Footballguy
Yes, in the opinion of what is likely 1 individual who writes for a FF resource I'd never take as gospel opinion myself, which opinion is based on circumstances that don't even exists as of today, those words "at best" are awfully compelling. I guess that settles it. C.Brown is at best a RB3. Case closed.Well it was the first synopsis I had seen on the situation. It certainly doesn't support the Brown will see 250 touches campaign.6 key words:"Blurb I just read on CBS"Blurb I just read on CBS that appears to echo my sentiments:
Two key words = "At Best"
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