Chris Henry will be the Willie Parker of the 2007 class (1 Viewer)

[FUBAR]

Sept. 12, 2005

Who is Willie Parker?

Willie Parker (5-10½, 209; 4.51 in the 40) did not start his senior year at North Carolina (2003). He started only five games in his Tar Heels career. He signed with Pittsburgh as an undrafted free agent on April 28, 2004.

Willie Parker5-10

209 pounds

Combine

4.51 in the 40 (other places have him listed as 4.31)

Chris Henry

5-11

230 pounds

Combine

4.40 in the 40

bench press 225pounds 26 times

10'7" broad jump

The main difference at the time? Henry comes in with expectations from his coach, a 2nd round label, and a better chance to start.

 

[dickey moe]

Ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh.......................k

 

[Joe Kidd]

I don't think you'll be able to catch many fish with that bait. Try again!

 

[Rev]

I don't think you'll be able to catch many fish with that bait. Try again!

Mentioning a player like Parker isn't foolish, IMO. It highlights the reality that some players come out of nowhere to make a big impact. Henry has a shot, whether LenDale owners like it or not.

 

[msommer]

So you are saying Chris Henry will sit a year doing absolutely nothin gbefore out of desperation he will be given a shot. Ok, that sounds reasonable...

 

[prymetyme25]

I'll roll with you bro.

Seriously what did this guy do to everyone to make them hate him. All i saw was that he had an opportunity to impress the people at the next level and took the opportunity very seriously and performed. Some others waste that chance and leave people wondering what their problem is. not sure about everyone else but i'd like to get a guy who would take his job seriously and give 110% effort but then again thats not what football is about.

 

[phthalatemagic]

not sure about everyone else but i'd like to get a guy who would take his job seriously and give 110% effort but then again thats not what football is about.

I think the source of the criticism is that he may have taken his job seriously at UA, and left people underwhelmed. It's not very often that a RB has a hard time playing well at the collegiate level, and plays well at the professional level.

 

[Phlash]

Chris Henry has already proven to be a joke at the college level though. 3.2ypc in college? Are you serious?!?!?!?!

Willie Parker was just hated on by his college coach who should have been starting him. Chris Henry just blows.

 

[duaneok66]

I don't think you'll be able to catch many fish with that bait. Try again!

Mentioning a player like Parker isn't foolish, IMO. It highlights the reality that some players come out of nowhere to make a big impact. Henry has a shot, whether LenDale owners like it or not.

bad analogy . . . Henry isn't "coming out of nowhere"; he's a second round pick . . . Parker went undrafted . . .

 

[Drunken Cowboy]

I don't think you'll be able to catch many fish with that bait. Try again!

Mentioning a player like Parker isn't foolish, IMO. It highlights the reality that some players come out of nowhere to make a big impact. Henry has a shot, whether LenDale owners like it or not.

bad analogy . . . Henry isn't "coming out of nowhere"; he's a second round pick . . . Parker went undrafted . . .

I would be happy to add him to my team as an undrafted free agent, but spending a second round pick on a backup at Arizona was dumb.

 

[aposulli]

I'll roll with you bro.

Seriously what did this guy do to everyone to make them hate him. All i saw was that he had an opportunity to impress the people at the next level and took the opportunity very seriously and performed. Some others waste that chance and leave people wondering what their problem is. not sure about everyone else but i'd like to get a guy who would take his job seriously and give 110% effort but then again thats not what football is about.

It's what he hasn't done.

 

[FreeBaGeL]

Undrafted free agent that didn't even play in college vs. 2nd round pick that everyone is talking about.

Why in the world would you use Willie Parker as your comparison?

 

[phthalatemagic]

Undrafted free agent that didn't even play in college vs. 2nd round pick that everyone is talking about.Why in the world would you use Willie Parker as your comparison?

Because the outcome is a positive one.mike mamula might be more applicable

 

[Benchwarmers]

No way does he turn into Parker. Henry will have a tough enough time reading his blocks and he doesnt have any experience blocking blitzes so I think he will be used mainly on 3rd down his first year if at all.

 

[enfuego]

No way does he turn into Parker. Henry will have a tough enough time reading his blocks and he doesnt have any experience blocking blitzes so I think he will be used mainly on 3rd down his first year if at all.

Not sure where your analysis is coming from, but Henry will have every chance to win the starting gig this year....Titan's RB coach Sherm Smith is extremely high on him:

(on how LenDale will react to drafting Chris Henry)

Like I said, he has to work at it. LenDale knows that, and this is a guy is not going to wait for him. Chris is coming in here as we talked about when I was down in Arizona, he is coming here to start. He is not coming to be a back up. So his mindset is that I'm coming to win the job, and that's what he's going to do.

(Sherm Smith on how he feels about Henry in blitz pick-up in pass coverage...responding to Chris Henry saying that Henry feels like he could improve in that area)

Well you know it's interesting that he feels like that's something that he needs to work on. Maybe he is talking about a technique or a blitz pick-up responsibility. I talked to Chris and he was very knowledgeable about their pass protection scheme and who they had. Watching him in protection, he was physical, so he shows that he is a willing blocker. I think what he is talking about is that he just wants to be a perfectionist at everything he does. He is willing, tough, smart, knows who he has, so, I don't think that is going to be a problem at all for him in pass protection.

 

[mustacheman]

I would be curious to know how many of those people pimping Henry have actually watched him play.

Measurables aside, he has no natural football instincts.

 

[CA_7]

I would be curious to know how many of those people pimping Henry have actually watched him play.

Measurables aside, he has no natural football instincts.

I am guessing you know more about Henry than the Titans organization? Care to share your resume and/or data to support the claim he has no natural football instincts? I am very high on C-Hen for 07 but am open to changing my stance if I can get some expert insight. TIA.And Jeff Fisher made the comparison to Willie Parker (and Priest Holmes) in early May.

http://www.rotoworld.com/content/playerpag...NFL&id=4226

 

[ILUVBEER99]

Willie Parker was just hated on by his college coach who should have been starting him. Chris Henry just blows.

Ummm, one of the major issues is that Henry got into the coaches doghouse a couple games into last year after a 1 game suspension for missing a class. He was finally allowed to get some playing time at the end of last season.Fisher said in an article that there were reasons Henry didn't get much PT until the end of last year, and he didn't believe it was due to ability. The team that drafted him doesn't agree with your assessment that he sucks, and since they are the ones who will decide whether he plays or not i think their opinion is pretty important.Tennessee wasn't the only team who liked him, many reputable reports (all in other threads on this board) said he was going to be a 2nd/3rd round pick. He was thought of as a guy who still has his best years ahead of him and will make a better pro then college player.Bottom line is that he's a 2nd round pick who has a decent shot at playing time as soon as this season, and for that reason he has some decent value whether or not the general FF fan agrees.

 

[ILUVBEER99]

I would be curious to know how many of those people pimping Henry have actually watched him play.

Measurables aside, he has no natural football instincts.

I am guessing you know more about Henry than the Titans organization? Care to share your resume and/or data to support the claim he has no natural football instincts? I am very high on C-Hen for 07 but am open to changing my stance if I can get some expert insight. TIA.And Jeff Fisher made the comparison to Willie Parker (and Priest Holmes) in early May.

http://www.rotoworld.com/content/playerpag...NFL&id=4226

I love the have you ever seen him play argument, makes no sense. I can guarantee the Titans scouts have seen more of Chris Henry then any Arizona fan who watched every game. They have every run of his on tape and have broken them down numerous times.

The pro scouts definitely aren't perfect, but they have resources available to them we can only dream of and anyone who completely discounts their opinions is making a mistake.

The odds are that Henry will never amount to anything, but those saying he has 0 chance and is a sure bust aren't being realistic.

I'd put the odds at 25-30% that he leads the Titans in rushing this season. Still not that great, but good enough where he's worth taking a look at.

 

[a005511]

Obviously he drafted Henry and is trying to get some confirmation and hope plus justifying the pick.

 

[phthalatemagic]

Obviously he drafted Henry and is trying to get some confirmation and hope plus justifying the pick.

That is such a shallow thought.Yes, Heaven forbid people genuinely think Henry will play well. No... all thought are motivated by who owns what on their fantasy team. Excuse me while my eyes roll out of my head.

 

[Sleeper 43]

Hey anythings possible. Im not a Henry hater. but me personally.... I dont wanna be tricked by a work-out warrior especially with my late 1st early 2nd in a rookie draft, there just seems to be safer guys there for me.

 

[waylander]

I think he has some good things going for him. Especially the situation in TN. I've been keeping up with the OTA's etc and he's looking great.

He also seems to be intelligent. The first couple interviews he stuttered a bit, but I think that was nerves. Since then, he seems to have collected himself. His blog also was an easy read, and a pretty fluent writing style. Him being a philosophy major adds to his perceived intellect too.

So couple smarts with the physical gifts, and I think he has everything it takes to do well.

 

[valence]

gotta be one of the most over hyped and overrated player in the draft

 

[waylander]

gotta be one of the most over hyped and overrated player in the draft

Overrated? I don't agree. The general consensus that I have seen has not been positive. I think most were like, WTF? When the Titans drafted him in the 2nd. And most still think that he is already a bust. Some even seem to want to see him do bad, if FBG is any gauge.Overhyped? Maybe talked about a lot, but I don't see alot of people hyping him either, goes back to his bottomed out rating.

 

[-OZ-]

gotta be one of the most over hyped and overrated player in the draft

Overrated? I don't agree. The general consensus that I have seen has not been positive. I think most were like, WTF? When the Titans drafted him in the 2nd. And most still think that he is already a bust. Some even seem to want to see him do bad, if FBG is any gauge.Overhyped? Maybe talked about a lot, but I don't see alot of people hyping him either, goes back to his bottomed out rating.

He was probably overrated by the one group that matters, his new team. Most people on here are underrating him IMO. I certainly wouldn't have taken him high, but he's falling far in most drafts. I struggled with the choice, but ended up taking him as the #19 player in a recent dynasty draft over Willis, Pozluvsky and Jason Hill, but he was too good a value there. It helps that I didn't really need any of these players, so the risk was affordable.

I generally don't like drafting situation over talent, but when the value is there, you take it.

 

[bcr8f]

JIM BROWN

Height

6 ft 2 in

232 lb

Brian Leonard

6'1"

226

Henry will probably be blocking as much as running.

The Titans lost most of the offensive weapons and VY will be running for his life.

 

[easy like sunday morning]

Hey anythings possible. Im not a Henry hater. but me personally.... I dont wanna be tricked by a work-out warrior especially with my late 1st early 2nd in a rookie draft, there just seems to be safer guys there for me.

As far as I can tell this draft sucks from a fantasy perspective. If I was picking in the late 1st early 2nd I would consider Henry. While there were a lot of WR taken early in the NFL draft most of them look to be #2WR in the NFL at best.

 

[Sleeper 43]

Hey anythings possible. Im not a Henry hater. but me personally.... I dont wanna be tricked by a work-out warrior especially with my late 1st early 2nd in a rookie draft, there just seems to be safer guys there for me.

As far as I can tell this draft sucks from a fantasy perspective. If I was picking in the late 1st early 2nd I would consider Henry. While there were a lot of WR taken early in the NFL draft most of them look to be #2WR in the NFL at best.

While I agree this years draft is sub par (especially compared to 08), I would take Bowe/Meachem/Rice or Jarrett before Henry. IF you won the big show the season before , I'm sure you can afford the risk. But just me personally and most who want better odd for production out of their pick will go with people who produced throughout college. Running a 40 and being strong arent good enough criteria for me.

 

[phthalatemagic]

JIM BROWNHeight 6 ft 2 in 232 lbBrian Leonard6'1"226Henry will probably be blocking as much as running. The Titans lost most of the offensive weapons and VY will be running for his life.

Will you help me understand your point? I'm really thrown off.

 

[easy like sunday morning]

Hey anythings possible. Im not a Henry hater. but me personally.... I dont wanna be tricked by a work-out warrior especially with my late 1st early 2nd in a rookie draft, there just seems to be safer guys there for me.

As far as I can tell this draft sucks from a fantasy perspective. If I was picking in the late 1st early 2nd I would consider Henry. While there were a lot of WR taken early in the NFL draft most of them look to be #2WR in the NFL at best.

While I agree this years draft is sub par (especially compared to 08), I would take Bowe/Meachem/Rice or Jarrett before Henry. IF you won the big show the season before , I'm sure you can afford the risk. But just me personally and most who want better odd for production out of their pick will go with people who produced throughout college. Running a 40 and being strong arent good enough criteria for me.

You make a fair point. My issue is all of the WR outside of CJ have their own issues. Their issues might not appear to be as big a question as Henry's. However, it is so much harder to learn the WR position. I don't think any of the three you mention above are going to be any help to a championship run in your league this year. Due to that I am willing to take the gamble on Henry. I have read as much as I can find on Henry. The kid appears to be pretty bright. All he has to do is beat out Fatdale. If he does he is a starting RB in the NFL. For now that has to stand for something more than a bunch of WRs that have issues of their own.

 

[LabelMan]

As a Titans homer I hope your right homes.

I do know this - Lendale is expecting to start and make a big impact this season. He's very confident (waistline issues or not)

 

[KnowledgeReignsSupreme]

JJ Arrington seems like a better comparison.

 

[Bojang0301]

JIM BROWNHeight 6 ft 2 in 232 lbBrian Leonard6'1"226Henry will probably be blocking as much as running. The Titans lost most of the offensive weapons and VY will be running for his life.

Will you help me understand your point? I'm really thrown off.

He's saying that if you throw enough #### at the wall eventually some of its going to stick.

 

[RD1967]

No way does he turn into Parker. Henry will have a tough enough time reading his blocks and he doesnt have any experience blocking blitzes so I think he will be used mainly on 3rd down his first year if at all.

Not sure where your analysis is coming from, but Henry will have every chance to win the starting gig this year....Titan's RB coach Sherm Smith is extremely high on him:

(on how LenDale will react to drafting Chris Henry)

Like I said, he has to work at it. LenDale knows that, and this is a guy is not going to wait for him. Chris is coming in here as we talked about when I was down in Arizona, he is coming here to start. He is not coming to be a back up. So his mindset is that I'm coming to win the job, and that's what he's going to do.

(Sherm Smith on how he feels about Henry in blitz pick-up in pass coverage...responding to Chris Henry saying that Henry feels like he could improve in that area)

Well you know it's interesting that he feels like that's something that he needs to work on. Maybe he is talking about a technique or a blitz pick-up responsibility. I talked to Chris and he was very knowledgeable about their pass protection scheme and who they had. Watching him in protection, he was physical, so he shows that he is a willing blocker. I think what he is talking about is that he just wants to be a perfectionist at everything he does. He is willing, tough, smart, knows who he has, so, I don't think that is going to be a problem at all for him in pass protection.

Stop it, Chris Henry got drafted cause he is a work out wonder. Looks like Tarzan plays like Jane. The combine is a waste of time and the selection of Henry speaks to the lazyness of the Titans Coaching staff. Compares to J.J Arrington

 

[Franknbeans]

there's only one Willie Parker

 

[Slingblade]

I would be curious to know how many of those people pimping Henry have actually watched him play.

Measurables aside, he has no natural football instincts.

I am guessing you know more about Henry than the Titans organization? Care to share your resume and/or data to support the claim he has no natural football instincts? I am very high on C-Hen for 07 but am open to changing my stance if I can get some expert insight. TIA.And Jeff Fisher made the comparison to Willie Parker (and Priest Holmes) in early May.

http://www.rotoworld.com/content/playerpag...NFL&id=4226

I love the have you ever seen him play argument, makes no sense. I can guarantee the Titans scouts have seen more of Chris Henry then any Arizona fan who watched every game. They have every run of his on tape and have broken them down numerous times.

The pro scouts definitely aren't perfect, but they have resources available to them we can only dream of and anyone who completely discounts their opinions is making a mistake.

The odds are that Henry will never amount to anything, but those saying he has 0 chance and is a sure bust aren't being realistic.

I'd put the odds at 25-30% that he leads the Titans in rushing this season. Still not that great, but good enough where he's worth taking a look at.

 

[KellysHeroes]

 

[enfuego]

No way does he turn into Parker. Henry will have a tough enough time reading his blocks and he doesnt have any experience blocking blitzes so I think he will be used mainly on 3rd down his first year if at all.

Not sure where your analysis is coming from, but Henry will have every chance to win the starting gig this year....Titan's RB coach Sherm Smith is extremely high on him:

(on how LenDale will react to drafting Chris Henry)

Like I said, he has to work at it. LenDale knows that, and this is a guy is not going to wait for him. Chris is coming in here as we talked about when I was down in Arizona, he is coming here to start. He is not coming to be a back up. So his mindset is that I'm coming to win the job, and that's what he's going to do.

(Sherm Smith on how he feels about Henry in blitz pick-up in pass coverage...responding to Chris Henry saying that Henry feels like he could improve in that area)

Well you know it's interesting that he feels like that's something that he needs to work on. Maybe he is talking about a technique or a blitz pick-up responsibility. I talked to Chris and he was very knowledgeable about their pass protection scheme and who they had. Watching him in protection, he was physical, so he shows that he is a willing blocker. I think what he is talking about is that he just wants to be a perfectionist at everything he does. He is willing, tough, smart, knows who he has, so, I don't think that is going to be a problem at all for him in pass protection.

Stop it, Chris Henry got drafted cause he is a work out wonder. Looks like Tarzan plays like Jane. The combine is a waste of time and the selection of Henry speaks to the lazyness of the Titans Coaching staff. Compares to J.J Arrington

If the combine is a waste of time, what is the best way to judge college talent going to the NFL?

 

[Colin Dowling]

The best way to judge college talent going in the NFL is to watch them play on Saturdays.

Anyway, I think Henry and WHite will both see a fair amount of work. While it's early to make number predictions, I could easily see osomething like...

White - 200-250 carries, 700-900 yards yards, 5-7 TDs, negligible receptions

Henry - 100-150 carries, 350-500 yards, 3-5 TDs, 30-40 receptions.

 

[KnowledgeReignsSupreme]

No way does he turn into Parker. Henry will have a tough enough time reading his blocks and he doesnt have any experience blocking blitzes so I think he will be used mainly on 3rd down his first year if at all.

Not sure where your analysis is coming from, but Henry will have every chance to win the starting gig this year....Titan's RB coach Sherm Smith is extremely high on him:

(on how LenDale will react to drafting Chris Henry)

Like I said, he has to work at it. LenDale knows that, and this is a guy is not going to wait for him. Chris is coming in here as we talked about when I was down in Arizona, he is coming here to start. He is not coming to be a back up. So his mindset is that I'm coming to win the job, and that's what he's going to do.

(Sherm Smith on how he feels about Henry in blitz pick-up in pass coverage...responding to Chris Henry saying that Henry feels like he could improve in that area)

Well you know it's interesting that he feels like that's something that he needs to work on. Maybe he is talking about a technique or a blitz pick-up responsibility. I talked to Chris and he was very knowledgeable about their pass protection scheme and who they had. Watching him in protection, he was physical, so he shows that he is a willing blocker. I think what he is talking about is that he just wants to be a perfectionist at everything he does. He is willing, tough, smart, knows who he has, so, I don't think that is going to be a problem at all for him in pass protection.

Stop it, Chris Henry got drafted cause he is a work out wonder. Looks like Tarzan plays like Jane. The combine is a waste of time and the selection of Henry speaks to the lazyness of the Titans Coaching staff. Compares to J.J Arrington

If the combine is a waste of time, what is the best way to judge college talent going to the NFL?

I would not say the combine is a waste of time, but the 40 is way overrated.If anything, I think it's better for players coming from smaller programs, or players who were not 2-3 year starters on their team.

We don't need a combine to know that Reggie Bush is athletically gifted. He played in a major program against top athletes on other teams. We can make a decent assumption about his skills from that. It's why a lot of good players skip the combine. They can't really help their draft position, only hurt it if they have an off day or tweak a hammy or whatever.

A player coming a TCU or Marshall, doesn't play against the same top competition. The combine lets you see if their performances on Saturday were just good because they played against guys who have no chance of making the NFL, or if they are a legit athlete in their own right.

 

[waylander]

The best way to judge college talent going in the NFL is to watch them play on Saturdays. Anyway, I think Henry and WHite will both see a fair amount of work. While it's early to make number predictions, I could easily see osomething like...White - 200-250 carries, 700-900 yards yards, 5-7 TDs, negligible receptionsHenry - 100-150 carries, 350-500 yards, 3-5 TDs, 30-40 receptions.

I hope that's the case. Even if you take the lows of your predictions, that replaces Henry and then some. If you take the highs, the FO will look like geniuses.

 

[mustacheman]

I would be curious to know how many of those people pimping Henry have actually watched him play.

Measurables aside, he has no natural football instincts.

I am guessing you know more about Henry than the Titans organization? Care to share your resume and/or data to support the claim he has no natural football instincts? I am very high on C-Hen for 07 but am open to changing my stance if I can get some expert insight. TIA.And Jeff Fisher made the comparison to Willie Parker (and Priest Holmes) in early May.

http://www.rotoworld.com/content/playerpag...NFL&id=4226

I love the have you ever seen him play argument, makes no sense. I can guarantee the Titans scouts have seen more of Chris Henry then any Arizona fan who watched every game. They have every run of his on tape and have broken them down numerous times.

The pro scouts definitely aren't perfect, but they have resources available to them we can only dream of and anyone who completely discounts their opinions is making a mistake.

The odds are that Henry will never amount to anything, but those saying he has 0 chance and is a sure bust aren't being realistic.

I'd put the odds at 25-30% that he leads the Titans in rushing this season. Still not that great, but good enough where he's worth taking a look at.

The question wasn't "Have the Titans seen him play?" but rather how many people that are pimping Henry in this forum have actually watched him play. I'm curious as to how many people here that have watched him play vs. reading positive articles and drooling over combine stats like/dislike Henry.

 

[duaneok66]

No way does he turn into Parker. Henry will have a tough enough time reading his blocks and he doesnt have any experience blocking blitzes so I think he will be used mainly on 3rd down his first year if at all.

Not sure where your analysis is coming from, but Henry will have every chance to win the starting gig this year....Titan's RB coach Sherm Smith is extremely high on him:

(on how LenDale will react to drafting Chris Henry)

Like I said, he has to work at it. LenDale knows that, and this is a guy is not going to wait for him. Chris is coming in here as we talked about when I was down in Arizona, he is coming here to start. He is not coming to be a back up. So his mindset is that I'm coming to win the job, and that's what he's going to do.

(Sherm Smith on how he feels about Henry in blitz pick-up in pass coverage...responding to Chris Henry saying that Henry feels like he could improve in that area)

Well you know it's interesting that he feels like that's something that he needs to work on. Maybe he is talking about a technique or a blitz pick-up responsibility. I talked to Chris and he was very knowledgeable about their pass protection scheme and who they had. Watching him in protection, he was physical, so he shows that he is a willing blocker. I think what he is talking about is that he just wants to be a perfectionist at everything he does. He is willing, tough, smart, knows who he has, so, I don't think that is going to be a problem at all for him in pass protection.

Stop it, Chris Henry got drafted cause he is a work out wonder. Looks like Tarzan plays like Jane. The combine is a waste of time and the selection of Henry speaks to the lazyness of the Titans Coaching staff. Compares to J.J Arrington

If the combine is a waste of time, what is the best way to judge college talent going to the NFL?

I would not say the combine is a waste of time, but the 40 is way overrated.If anything, I think it's better for players coming from smaller programs, or players who were not 2-3 year starters on their team.

We don't need a combine to know that Reggie Bush is athletically gifted. He played in a major program against top athletes on other teams. We can make a decent assumption about his skills from that. It's why a lot of good players skip the combine. They can't really help their draft position, only hurt it if they have an off day or tweak a hammy or whatever.

A player coming a TCU or Marshall, doesn't play against the same top competition. The combine lets you see if their performances on Saturday were just good because they played against guys who have no chance of making the NFL, or if they are a legit athlete in their own right.

excellent post . . .

 

[RD1967]

No way does he turn into Parker. Henry will have a tough enough time reading his blocks and he doesnt have any experience blocking blitzes so I think he will be used mainly on 3rd down his first year if at all.

Not sure where your analysis is coming from, but Henry will have every chance to win the starting gig this year....Titan's RB coach Sherm Smith is extremely high on him:

(on how LenDale will react to drafting Chris Henry)

Like I said, he has to work at it. LenDale knows that, and this is a guy is not going to wait for him. Chris is coming in here as we talked about when I was down in Arizona, he is coming here to start. He is not coming to be a back up. So his mindset is that I'm coming to win the job, and that's what he's going to do.

(Sherm Smith on how he feels about Henry in blitz pick-up in pass coverage...responding to Chris Henry saying that Henry feels like he could improve in that area)

Well you know it's interesting that he feels like that's something that he needs to work on. Maybe he is talking about a technique or a blitz pick-up responsibility. I talked to Chris and he was very knowledgeable about their pass protection scheme and who they had. Watching him in protection, he was physical, so he shows that he is a willing blocker. I think what he is talking about is that he just wants to be a perfectionist at everything he does. He is willing, tough, smart, knows who he has, so, I don't think that is going to be a problem at all for him in pass protection.

Stop it, Chris Henry got drafted cause he is a work out wonder. Looks like Tarzan plays like Jane. The combine is a waste of time and the selection of Henry speaks to the lazyness of the Titans Coaching staff. Compares to J.J Arrington

If the combine is a waste of time, what is the best way to judge college talent going to the NFL?

I would not say the combine is a waste of time, but the 40 is way overrated.If anything, I think it's better for players coming from smaller programs, or players who were not 2-3 year starters on their team.

We don't need a combine to know that Reggie Bush is athletically gifted. He played in a major program against top athletes on other teams. We can make a decent assumption about his skills from that. It's why a lot of good players skip the combine. They can't really help their draft position, only hurt it if they have an off day or tweak a hammy or whatever.

A player coming a TCU or Marshall, doesn't play against the same top competition. The combine lets you see if their performances on Saturday were just good because they played against guys who have no chance of making the NFL, or if they are a legit athlete in their own right.

You make a much better point than I do. Not a waste of time per say, but many folks jump at the 40 time as the stat that is most important. What I really hope is that the Titans made a wise choice. With other areas of need I thought they could have drafted other positions. Grabbed an underated talent late in the draft at RB or simply gave Brown another chance to come back and compete with White. I know most of us on this board are going to pimp the players we already own. I would too if I had him.

 

[corpcow]

Obviously he drafted Henry and is trying to get some confirmation and hope plus justifying the pick.

That is such a shallow thought.Yes, Heaven forbid people genuinely think Henry will play well. No... all thought are motivated by who owns what on their fantasy team. Excuse me while my eyes roll out of my head.

Of course these are not mutually exclusive things. He could have drafted him BECAUSE he genuinely thinks he will play well

 

[John Mamula]

I would be curious to know how many of those people pimping Henry have actually watched him play.

Measurables aside, he has no natural football instincts.

I am guessing you know more about Henry than the Titans organization? Care to share your resume and/or data to support the claim he has no natural football instincts? I am very high on C-Hen for 07 but am open to changing my stance if I can get some expert insight. TIA.And Jeff Fisher made the comparison to Willie Parker (and Priest Holmes) in early May.

http://www.rotoworld.com/content/playerpag...NFL&id=4226

I love the have you ever seen him play argument, makes no sense. I can guarantee the Titans scouts have seen more of Chris Henry then any Arizona fan who watched every game. They have every run of his on tape and have broken them down numerous times.

The pro scouts definitely aren't perfect, but they have resources available to them we can only dream of and anyone who completely discounts their opinions is making a mistake.

The odds are that Henry will never amount to anything, but those saying he has 0 chance and is a sure bust aren't being realistic.

I'd put the odds at 25-30% that he leads the Titans in rushing this season. Still not that great, but good enough where he's worth taking a look at.

so there is no possibility that the titans overly fell in love with his workout rationalizing his poor on field play?the titans drafted him due to his combine, not his football tape.

i think that is a mistake. but i am at the hnrylvrs who take the stance that "the titans know more than you" as a default somehow holding pro franchises infallible for making mistakes.

i would imagine that there are quite a few people on these boards that know more about a specific player than a scout who had to break down hundreds of players. however those same people know very little of other players.

the titans made a mistake. calling it now.

 

[corpcow]

The question wasn't "Have the Titans seen him play?" but rather how many people that are pimping Henry in this forum have actually watched him play. I'm curious as to how many people here that have watched him play vs. reading positive articles and drooling over combine stats like/dislike Henry.

Hey, scouts have been known to be wrong. There are people who just don't make it for one reason or another, even when the scouting report says they should. I think the one thing that should be least considered are measurables.I mean, as I said in another thread, Parker and Priest Holmes were both UDFA, while JJ Arrington and Tatum Bell were both 2nd rounders. Draft position is clearly not dispositive of success at the next level, nor are combine measurables. That said, I think the problem mustacheman and others, myself included, have is that people are pimping certain players more because of situation than anything else (which, as we know in dynasty, is perhaps the least important factor initially). If B.Jackson didn't go to the Pack, would anyone even consider him in the first round, let alone 1.04? Would people be nearly as high on Henry if he had gone somewhere that didn't have a perceived need at RB?

 

[ILUVBEER99]

I would be curious to know how many of those people pimping Henry have actually watched him play.

Measurables aside, he has no natural football instincts.

I am guessing you know more about Henry than the Titans organization? Care to share your resume and/or data to support the claim he has no natural football instincts? I am very high on C-Hen for 07 but am open to changing my stance if I can get some expert insight. TIA.And Jeff Fisher made the comparison to Willie Parker (and Priest Holmes) in early May.

http://www.rotoworld.com/content/playerpag...NFL&id=4226

I love the have you ever seen him play argument, makes no sense. I can guarantee the Titans scouts have seen more of Chris Henry then any Arizona fan who watched every game. They have every run of his on tape and have broken them down numerous times.

The pro scouts definitely aren't perfect, but they have resources available to them we can only dream of and anyone who completely discounts their opinions is making a mistake.

The odds are that Henry will never amount to anything, but those saying he has 0 chance and is a sure bust aren't being realistic.

I'd put the odds at 25-30% that he leads the Titans in rushing this season. Still not that great, but good enough where he's worth taking a look at.

so there is no possibility that the titans overly fell in love with his workout rationalizing his poor on field play?the titans drafted him due to his combine, not his football tape.

i think that is a mistake. but i am at the hnrylvrs who take the stance that "the titans know more than you" as a default somehow holding pro franchises infallible for making mistakes.

i would imagine that there are quite a few people on these boards that know more about a specific player than a scout who had to break down hundreds of players. however those same people know very little of other players.

the titans made a mistake. calling it now.

I agree there are people on this board who could know more of a specific player, but i do question their ability to translate what they know into predicting how they will perform in the NFL, which is something very few people can do well. I watch a lot of college football, but my opinions change a ton on a player based on what pro scouts feel about them and where they get drafted. I've been high on players pre-draft and changed my opinion on them within days if they fall in the draft. I'm not a professional evaluater of talent, and can admit that while the pro's may not hit all the time, they know a lot more than me and throwing out their opinions on a player isn't a very smart move.The titans weren't the only team who had Henry graded as a 2nd round pick. Pre-draft there were many reputable sources who said he could go in the 2nd -3rd round range.

Also in Henry's case he never got more than a few sporatic carries a game until the end of last year. Watching games as a fan you can't get much of an opinion on a guy when he is popping in for a carry every now and then.

So basically even the most die hard Zona fans have 4-5 games to judge him on.

 

[CA_7]

I agree there are people on this board who could know more of a specific player, but i do question their ability to translate what they know into predicting how they will perform in the NFL, which is something very few people can do well. I watch a lot of college football, but my opinions change a ton on a player based on what pro scouts feel about them and where they get drafted. I've been high on players pre-draft and changed my opinion on them within days if they fall in the draft. I'm not a professional evaluater of talent, and can admit that while the pro's may not hit all the time, they know a lot more than me and throwing out their opinions on a player isn't a very smart move.