Christine Michael (2 Viewers)

[Phenix]

A lot of people are going to look like suckers with the way Rotoworld is just trying to push their agenda. The post about what the OC says, then the beat writer says Lynch will still be lead back then Rotoworld tries to flip the script again.

They always put their twist on their stories to make it go the way the look in their rankings. Typical media/news outlet, save face.

They are comparing this guy to ADP when he cant even be active for some games and the very first line in their latest infatuation with this guy on Rotoworld... "The "hype" around Michael is not some fabrication of the imagination."

Texas A&M's strength coach, who has trained both Christine Michael and Adrian Peterson, said Michael's athletic explosiveness is on par with Peterson's.

The "hype" around Michael is not some fabrication of the imagination. His tape is drool-worthy, and the Seahawks coaches themselves are talking up getting the second-year back chances at the expense of Marshawn Lynch. Former NFL personnel man Louis Riddick tweeted Monday that when Michael "gets his chance regular season '14, provided he's healthy, he'll show he's the most gifted RB drafted in past 5 yrs."

Psh, I said the same thing over a year ago...

1.10 - Christine Michael

This guy is a phenom. Everytime he runs you can see he is trying to take it to the house. Landing in Seattle was a good and a bad thing. Michael needs to develop his game a bit more but will be a perfect change-of-pace back for Lynch and Turbin. He has immense upside and has the skillset to be a premier back in this league, there's a little bit of Adrian Peterson in him.

Not a lot of upside this year but down the road he has enough talent to force a RBBC and even take over the full load.

Are you the same guy who bumps your own threads?

Only because I'm the man. I run my own Fantasy Football website.

You must be really awesome. Glad to have crossed your path on this site. Please remember the little people when you are a star.

 

[Eminence]

A lot of people are going to look like suckers with the way Rotoworld is just trying to push their agenda. The post about what the OC says, then the beat writer says Lynch will still be lead back then Rotoworld tries to flip the script again.

They always put their twist on their stories to make it go the way the look in their rankings. Typical media/news outlet, save face.

They are comparing this guy to ADP when he cant even be active for some games and the very first line in their latest infatuation with this guy on Rotoworld... "The "hype" around Michael is not some fabrication of the imagination."

Texas A&M's strength coach, who has trained both Christine Michael and Adrian Peterson, said Michael's athletic explosiveness is on par with Peterson's.

The "hype" around Michael is not some fabrication of the imagination. His tape is drool-worthy, and the Seahawks coaches themselves are talking up getting the second-year back chances at the expense of Marshawn Lynch. Former NFL personnel man Louis Riddick tweeted Monday that when Michael "gets his chance regular season '14, provided he's healthy, he'll show he's the most gifted RB drafted in past 5 yrs."

Psh, I said the same thing over a year ago...

1.10 - Christine Michael

This guy is a phenom. Everytime he runs you can see he is trying to take it to the house. Landing in Seattle was a good and a bad thing. Michael needs to develop his game a bit more but will be a perfect change-of-pace back for Lynch and Turbin. He has immense upside and has the skillset to be a premier back in this league, there's a little bit of Adrian Peterson in him.

Not a lot of upside this year but down the road he has enough talent to force a RBBC and even take over the full load.

Are you the same guy who bumps your own threads?

Only because I'm the man. I run my own Fantasy Football website.

You must be really awesome. Glad to have crossed your path on this site. Please remember the little people when you are a star.

Hey man, we're looking for contributors if you think you're up to snuff. We'll be making ad revenue out the wazoo in a few years.

 

[tdmills]

A lot of people are going to look like suckers with the way Rotoworld is just trying to push their agenda. The post about what the OC says, then the beat writer says Lynch will still be lead back then Rotoworld tries to flip the script again.

They always put their twist on their stories to make it go the way the look in their rankings. Typical media/news outlet, save face.

They are comparing this guy to ADP when he cant even be active for some games and the very first line in their latest infatuation with this guy on Rotoworld... "The "hype" around Michael is not some fabrication of the imagination."

Texas A&M's strength coach, who has trained both Christine Michael and Adrian Peterson, said Michael's athletic explosiveness is on par with Peterson's.

The "hype" around Michael is not some fabrication of the imagination. His tape is drool-worthy, and the Seahawks coaches themselves are talking up getting the second-year back chances at the expense of Marshawn Lynch. Former NFL personnel man Louis Riddick tweeted Monday that when Michael "gets his chance regular season '14, provided he's healthy, he'll show he's the most gifted RB drafted in past 5 yrs."

Psh, I said the same thing over a year ago...

1.10 - Christine Michael

This guy is a phenom. Everytime he runs you can see he is trying to take it to the house. Landing in Seattle was a good and a bad thing. Michael needs to develop his game a bit more but will be a perfect change-of-pace back for Lynch and Turbin. He has immense upside and has the skillset to be a premier back in this league, there's a little bit of Adrian Peterson in him.

Not a lot of upside this year but down the road he has enough talent to force a RBBC and even take over the full load.

Are you the same guy who bumps your own threads?

Only because I'm the man. I run my own Fantasy Football website.

You must be really awesome. Glad to have crossed your path on this site. Please remember the little people when you are a star.

Is this making the sp a better place? No it's wasting everyone's time because of pride. Put it aside, bring some facts to the table and discuss Michael.

The sad part is both of you have points, but pride is getting in the way of agreeing with any other opinion or changing a point of view.

 

[Phenix]

A lot of people are going to look like suckers with the way Rotoworld is just trying to push their agenda. The post about what the OC says, then the beat writer says Lynch will still be lead back then Rotoworld tries to flip the script again.

They always put their twist on their stories to make it go the way the look in their rankings. Typical media/news outlet, save face.

They are comparing this guy to ADP when he cant even be active for some games and the very first line in their latest infatuation with this guy on Rotoworld... "The "hype" around Michael is not some fabrication of the imagination."

Texas A&M's strength coach, who has trained both Christine Michael and Adrian Peterson, said Michael's athletic explosiveness is on par with Peterson's.

The "hype" around Michael is not some fabrication of the imagination. His tape is drool-worthy, and the Seahawks coaches themselves are talking up getting the second-year back chances at the expense of Marshawn Lynch. Former NFL personnel man Louis Riddick tweeted Monday that when Michael "gets his chance regular season '14, provided he's healthy, he'll show he's the most gifted RB drafted in past 5 yrs."

Psh, I said the same thing over a year ago...

1.10 - Christine Michael

This guy is a phenom. Everytime he runs you can see he is trying to take it to the house. Landing in Seattle was a good and a bad thing. Michael needs to develop his game a bit more but will be a perfect change-of-pace back for Lynch and Turbin. He has immense upside and has the skillset to be a premier back in this league, there's a little bit of Adrian Peterson in him.

Not a lot of upside this year but down the road he has enough talent to force a RBBC and even take over the full load.

Are you the same guy who bumps your own threads?

Only because I'm the man. I run my own Fantasy Football website.

You must be really awesome. Glad to have crossed your path on this site. Please remember the little people when you are a star.

Is this making the sp a better place? No it's wasting everyone's time because of pride. Put it aside, bring some facts to the table and discuss Michael.

The sad part is both of you have points, but pride is getting in the way of agreeing with any other opinion or changing a point of view.

What are you talking about? Everyone takes everything so seriously, a lot of people here are uptight with no sense of humor and at the slightest hint of something that can be taken as sarcasm people freak out. Relax its the off season, I'm just goofing with Eminence and he knows it. The fluffing of Michael can continue.

I do get a kick out of whenever certain people see the name Phenix they get on the attack and freak out, I love being the hated guy. Being liked is not as adventurous.

 

[ghostguy123]

I can see people's point about Rotoworld. I also understand the love for Michael even though the hype is out of hand. Turbin looks plenty capable to me and has been #2 the past two years. For Rotoworld to say he is 3rd on the pecking order is kind of asinine. If it was any other backup, say, CJ Anderson, they'll say he's competing with Hillman even though he looks pretty strongly like Denver's #2. I don't care for that kind of reporting too much to, as others have stated, jack up someone's value.

Michael is clearly ahead of Turbin man. He just is.

 

[Phenix]

I can see people's point about Rotoworld. I also understand the love for Michael even though the hype is out of hand. Turbin looks plenty capable to me and has been #2 the past two years. For Rotoworld to say he is 3rd on the pecking order is kind of asinine. If it was any other backup, say, CJ Anderson, they'll say he's competing with Hillman even though he looks pretty strongly like Denver's #2. I don't care for that kind of reporting too much to, as others have stated, jack up someone's value.

Michael is clearly ahead of Turbin man. He just is.

Was he ahead of him last year as late as the Super Bowl? But since you say things like "he just is" I have changed my perspective.

 

[ghostguy123]

Phenix and Em going back and forth. I have no analogy for it. Keep it up.

As for "the facts". I don't want to hear too many facts here. We pretty much know the facts. Opinions are what drives this site. That and petty squabbles.

 

[ghostguy123]

I can see people's point about Rotoworld. I also understand the love for Michael even though the hype is out of hand. Turbin looks plenty capable to me and has been #2 the past two years. For Rotoworld to say he is 3rd on the pecking order is kind of asinine. If it was any other backup, say, CJ Anderson, they'll say he's competing with Hillman even though he looks pretty strongly like Denver's #2. I don't care for that kind of reporting too much to, as others have stated, jack up someone's value.

Michael is clearly ahead of Turbin man. He just is.

Was he ahead of him last year as late as the Super Bowl? But since you say things like "he just is" I have changed my perspective.

If you wanna live your fantasy life by "last year", well, good luck.

 

[Phenix]

Phenix and Em going back and forth. I have no analogy for it. Keep it up.

As for "the facts". I don't want to hear too many facts here. We pretty much know the facts. Opinions are what drives this site. That and petty squabbles.

 

[Phenix]

I can see people's point about Rotoworld. I also understand the love for Michael even though the hype is out of hand. Turbin looks plenty capable to me and has been #2 the past two years. For Rotoworld to say he is 3rd on the pecking order is kind of asinine. If it was any other backup, say, CJ Anderson, they'll say he's competing with Hillman even though he looks pretty strongly like Denver's #2. I don't care for that kind of reporting too much to, as others have stated, jack up someone's value.

Michael is clearly ahead of Turbin man. He just is.

Was he ahead of him last year as late as the Super Bowl? But since you say things like "he just is" I have changed my perspective.

If you wanna live your fantasy life by "last year", well, good luck.

This is true, but I find it strange in all this that many dont find it odd and compelling that he couldnt beat out Turbin after being drafted in the 2nd round.

 

[biju]

What are you talking about? Everyone takes everything so seriously, a lot of people here are uptight with no sense of humor and at the slightest hint of something that can be taken as sarcasm people freak out. Relax its the off season, I'm just goofing with Eminence and he knows it. The fluffing of Michael can continue.

I do get a kick out of whenever certain people see the name Phenix they get on the attack and freak out, I love being the hated guy. Being liked is not as adventurous.

I think people freak out about sarcasm because it takes people out of the discussion and typically the jokes aren't funny. It's like the few hundred people who just respond with the ROFL emoticon as a big diss to the OP. I kind of wish all of the emoticons would go away so people have to respond with actual words.

 

[ghostguy123]

This is true, but I find it strange in all this that many dont find it odd and compelling that he couldnt beat out Turbin after being drafted in the 2nd round.

If you find it odd that a rookie couldn't step into the best and deepest team in recent memory that had a stud RB dominating touches, and Turbin who isn't nearly as talented as Michael but knows the system and the playbook better and has some experience...............that's on you. Like I said, enjoy living in the past on stuff like this and not realize what's about to happen.

So Turbin in the backup to own here eh? Cool

It's not about "beating someone out" in this particular situation. He probably did, but I can easily see a coach going with the guy with more experience as the backup who is only going to get a few touches. If you can't, oh well. They were playing for a super bowl, not worrying about grooming a rookie. God.

 

[Dr. Octopus]

Conductor slammed on the breakshttp://inagist.com/all/476111740619325440/

#Seahawks OC Darrell Bevell downplayed "running back by committee" comment from last week's town hall. Said he meant that about OTAs.

PSA for the color blind: "he meant that about OTAs" was in red.

The lesson is coach speak in May/June is mostly meaningless. Say what you want about the comments made last week. Believe there will be a RBBC or don't believe it, but this backtrack is laughable. "We're going to be a RBBC during OTAs instead of giving every carry to our starting RB like we always do in OTAs." Wow.

 

[ghostguy123]

What are you talking about? Everyone takes everything so seriously, a lot of people here are uptight with no sense of humor and at the slightest hint of something that can be taken as sarcasm people freak out. Relax its the off season, I'm just goofing with Eminence and he knows it. The fluffing of Michael can continue.

I do get a kick out of whenever certain people see the name Phenix they get on the attack and freak out, I love being the hated guy. Being liked is not as adventurous.

I think people freak out about sarcasm because it takes people out of the discussion and typically the jokes aren't funny. It's like the few hundred people who just respond with the ROFL emoticon as a big diss to the OP. I kind of wish all of the emoticons would go away so people have to respond with actual words.

 

[Eminence]

What are you talking about? Everyone takes everything so seriously, a lot of people here are uptight with no sense of humor and at the slightest hint of something that can be taken as sarcasm people freak out. Relax its the off season, I'm just goofing with Eminence and he knows it. The fluffing of Michael can continue.

I do get a kick out of whenever certain people see the name Phenix they get on the attack and freak out, I love being the hated guy. Being liked is not as adventurous.

I think people freak out about sarcasm because it takes people out of the discussion and typically the jokes aren't funny. It's like the few hundred people who just respond with the ROFL emoticon as a big diss to the OP. I kind of wish all of the emoticons would go away so people have to respond with actual words.

I wish we lived in a world where Christine Michael was drafted to Green Bay so we could project him to run for 2,000 yards and 20 Touchdowns this season. It's such a shame when a HOF talent gets stuck in a RBBC.

 

[BigSteelThrill]

What are you talking about? Everyone takes everything so seriously, a lot of people here are uptight with no sense of humor and at the slightest hint of something that can be taken as sarcasm people freak out. Relax its the off season, I'm just goofing with Eminence and he knows it. The fluffing of Michael can continue.

I do get a kick out of whenever certain people see the name Phenix they get on the attack and freak out, I love being the hated guy. Being liked is not as adventurous.

I think people freak out about sarcasm because it takes people out of the discussion and typically the jokes aren't funny. It's like the few hundred people who just respond with the ROFL emoticon as a big diss to the OP. I kind of wish all of the emoticons would go away so people have to respond with actual words.

I wish we lived in a world where Christine Michael was drafted to Green Bay so we could project him to run for 2,000 yards and 20 Touchdowns this season. It's such a shame when a HOF talent gets stuck in a RBBC.

That's an RBBC only in OTAs.

Allegedly.

 

[Phenix]

This is true, but I find it strange in all this that many dont find it odd and compelling that he couldnt beat out Turbin after being drafted in the 2nd round.

If you find it odd that a rookie couldn't step into the best and deepest team in recent memory that had a stud RB dominating touches, and Turbin who isn't nearly as talented as Michael but knows the system and the playbook better and has some experience...............that's on you. Like I said, enjoy living in the past on stuff like this and not realize what's about to happen.

So Turbin in the backup to own here eh? Cool

It's not about "beating someone out" in this particular situation. He probably did, but I can easily see a coach going with the guy with more experience as the backup who is only going to get a few touches. If you can't, oh well. They were playing for a super bowl, not worrying about grooming a rookie. God.

I didnt say that, I'm just not as certain as you are.

 

[Hooper31]

I thought you covered this pretty well last June Hooper31 in this post-

Michael was drafted as a replacement for Washington. Washington was let go as a cap causality. Its not a crowded backfield. They had a hole in the roster and were going to draft a RB at some point in the draft. They only had Lynch, Turbin, and Robinson under contract at the time of the draft. They weren't planning on headed to OTAs and training camp with three RBs on the roster.

Ware was drafted as potential replacement for Robinson. Robinson may also become a cap causality.

If you are really interested in learning the ins and outs of the Seattle cap situation I would suggest following Davis Hsu on twitter.He knows the Seattle cap situation better than anyone else I know. He's posted many detailed analysis articles on field gulls.

IMO opinion Turbin is the guy to have if Lynch were to go down. Turbin shined in his limited role last year and I don't see any reason to think that this season will be different.

Now almost a year and 35 pages later, has the situation changed much in your opinion?

Sure, I think it has changed a bit. I still think Lynch is the man. He's going to be getting the bulk of carries until he shows us he can't handle that load. That said, if he were to go down I think the carries would get distributed amongst both Turbin and Michael until one of them separated themselves. Lynch has a lot more heart than people give him credit for. He was already paid two years ago and has continued to produce and play with passion.

Who would I rather have on my roster between Turbin and Michael? Michael, and I don't think its close. However, way too many people are having delusions of grandeur with regard to his talent level. Might he be a star some day? Sure, that could happen, but he's farther away from that than many other players in the league IMO. We'll see.

 

[DropKick]

Jonathan Stewart's explosiveness is better than Adrian Peterson's. Doesn't make him the better running back. That stuff is really important, but there are other variables like having elusiveness and vision. However, that's not what the strength coach is talking about. He's only talking about explosiveness. It seems pretty clear from looking at their height/weight and their combine results that Michael is indeed on par with Peterson in terms of explosiveness.

Now maybe some can see where this hype is getting out of hand.

He should not be mentioned in the same breath as ADP regardless of what the comparison is. ADP, a first ballot HOF and a 2K season and Michael, didn't dress most of last season.

He couldnt beat out a guy named Turbin. But because the OC is building up his players and Rotoworld is breaking their neck trying to pump this guy, he is the next best thing? On top of that he still has a stud of studs in front of him.

Scrubs manage to dress during the season but Michael is so great he cant and now he is the 8th world wonder?

I love the irony of you repeatedly poking Michael for not dressing when your avatar is a slob without a shirt. Pardon me.. but I think that is really funny.

The vast majority of people who took Michael last year did so with a long term perspective. No one thought he, as a rookie, would earn a great deal of playing time - barring injury - on a SB caliber team with a top notch incumbent RB. It wasn't going to happen. As far as "dressing"... who cares? I'm sure Seattle felt the spot better used on another position. Now, if Lynch had been hurt, and Michael didn't play... I might be in your corner.

So Michael has size, speed and athleticism... Isn't that what you want in a prospect? Everyone knows Lynch is in front of him... The current lack of opportunity should be baked into the price. And who knows? Injuries, off the field problems and salary cap could change the equation in a moment's time.

So.... you target a guy that you think could excel given the chance. Its kind of the name of the game, isn't it?

 

[EBF]

Unrelated to any of these recent comments, I just found this nice run from last year's ATL game on YouTube:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d-XQkgeoYZQ

 

[tdmills]

Unrelated to any of these recent comments, I just found this nice run from last year's ATL game on YouTube:

Pretty big hole with the lb blocked if you ask me. He showed burst, but I'd like him to keep his balance later.

 

[Bojang0301]

Someone telling me it just is, just frustrates me more. Just like it just is that Franklin is more talented than Lacy or it just is that Barlow is more talented then Hearst. Listen I won't argue that Michael is in a great situation and looks to have some good talent but that's the extent of it at this point. The hype is so large right now I almost think now is the time to sell. I would try buy Michael if I had Lynch but I would double down with Turbin who isn't even talked about anymore. I know it's not a popular opinion but I don't see too much of a difference between the two. Seattle knows what they want and they have it in all three backs. Big backs with good to great vision who can dish out some punishment and catch the ball. Michael may have a step, hard for me to tell since he was running against lesser players in the 3rd or 4th and Turbin in the 1st and 2nd. I think whoever is the workhorse for Seattle is very valuable to have. Even if you do have full confidence in Michael why is it so unreasonable that Turbin is a good back too on a team that has loaded up on talent the last few years. It's not a smart strategy.

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=uzprXP6mkyk

 

[Neofight]

Conductor slammed on the breakshttp://inagist.com/all/476111740619325440/

#Seahawks OC Darrell Bevell downplayed "running back by committee" comment from last week's town hall. Said he meant that about OTAs.

PSA for the color blind: "he meant that about OTAs" was in red.

The lesson is coach speak in May/June is mostly meaningless. Say what you want about the comments made last week. Believe there will be a RBBC or don't believe it, but this backtrack is laughable. "We're going to be a RBBC during OTAs instead of giving every carry to our starting RB like we always do in OTAs." Wow.

Considering Beast Mode is beasting in the Bay, I'd have to agree.

 

[Phenix]

Jonathan Stewart's explosiveness is better than Adrian Peterson's. Doesn't make him the better running back. That stuff is really important, but there are other variables like having elusiveness and vision. However, that's not what the strength coach is talking about. He's only talking about explosiveness. It seems pretty clear from looking at their height/weight and their combine results that Michael is indeed on par with Peterson in terms of explosiveness.

Now maybe some can see where this hype is getting out of hand.

He should not be mentioned in the same breath as ADP regardless of what the comparison is. ADP, a first ballot HOF and a 2K season and Michael, didn't dress most of last season.

He couldnt beat out a guy named Turbin. But because the OC is building up his players and Rotoworld is breaking their neck trying to pump this guy, he is the next best thing? On top of that he still has a stud of studs in front of him.

Scrubs manage to dress during the season but Michael is so great he cant and now he is the 8th world wonder?

I love the irony of you repeatedly poking Michael for not dressing when your avatar is a slob without a shirt. Pardon me.. but I think that is really funny.

The vast majority of people who took Michael last year did so with a long term perspective. No one thought he, as a rookie, would earn a great deal of playing time - barring injury - on a SB caliber team with a top notch incumbent RB. It wasn't going to happen. As far as "dressing"... who cares? I'm sure Seattle felt the spot better used on another position. Now, if Lynch had been hurt, and Michael didn't play... I might be in your corner.

So Michael has size, speed and athleticism... Isn't that what you want in a prospect? Everyone knows Lynch is in front of him... The current lack of opportunity should be baked into the price. And who knows? Injuries, off the field problems and salary cap could change the equation in a moment's time.

So.... you target a guy that you think could excel given the chance. Its kind of the name of the game, isn't it?

I agree and thanks for saying that.

The picture is off a rival in one of my leagues and a frequenter on this board, that helps me believe it or not.

 

[EBF]

Even if you do have full confidence in Michael why is it so unreasonable that Turbin is a good back

Because Turbin isn't a good back.

 

[slackjawedyokel]

Even if you do have full confidence in Michael why is it so unreasonable that Turbin is a good back

Because Turbin isn't a good back.

Turbin is a perpetual backup in this league... suitable for giving a breather to the stars. Not sure he would excel with opportunity elsewhere, either.

 

[Eminence]

Even if you do have full confidence in Michael why is it so unreasonable that Turbin is a good back

Because Turbin isn't a good back.

Turbin is a perpetual backup in this league... suitable for giving a breather to the stars. Not sure he would excel with opportunity elsewhere, either.

I think Turbin is decent. Brings a conpletely different style than Michael.

 

[Bojang0301]

Even if you do have full confidence in Michael why is it so unreasonable that Turbin is a good back

Because Turbin isn't a good back.

Even if you do have full confidence in Michael why is it so unreasonable that Turbin is a good back

Because Turbin isn't a good back.

Turbin is a perpetual backup in this league... suitable for giving a breather to the stars. Not sure he would excel with opportunity elsewhere, either.

Right, I'm going to leave this thread before I try arguing with the wall here. Outside of some agility I see very little difference between the two. Give either one of them 20 carries behind Seattle's line and I think they do similar things to Lynch. Comparing Michael to AD is laughable. If he was 1/2 of AD he would have gotten more than 18 carries last year.

 

[Bojang0301]

Even if you do have full confidence in Michael why is it so unreasonable that Turbin is a good back

Because Turbin isn't a good back.

Even if you do have full confidence in Michael why is it so unreasonable that Turbin is a good back

Because Turbin isn't a good back.

Turbin is a perpetual backup in this league... suitable for giving a breather to the stars. Not sure he would excel with opportunity elsewhere, either.

Right, I'm going to leave this thread before I try arguing with the wall here. Outside of some agility I see very little difference between the two. Give either one of them 20 carries behind Seattle's line and I think they do similar things to Lynch. Comparing Michael to AD is laughable. If he was 1/2 of AD he would have gotten more than 18 carries last year.

I lied because I'm a bit fired up now. You're telling me this guy couldn't carry the load and be a downright stud in PPR?:

 

[EBF]

Even if you do have full confidence in Michael why is it so unreasonable that Turbin is a good back

Because Turbin isn't a good back.

Even if you do have full confidence in Michael why is it so unreasonable that Turbin is a good back

Because Turbin isn't a good back.

Turbin is a perpetual backup in this league... suitable for giving a breather to the stars. Not sure he would excel with opportunity elsewhere, either.

Right, I'm going to leave this thread before I try arguing with the wall here. Outside of some agility I see very little difference between the two. Give either one of them 20 carries behind Seattle's line and I think they do similar things to Lynch. Comparing Michael to AD is laughable. If he was 1/2 of AD he would have gotten more than 18 carries last year.

I lied because I'm a bit fired up now. You're telling me this guy couldn't carry the load and be a downright stud in PPR?:

Yea, he could be a stud.

In the CFL.

http://www.rotoworld.com/articles/nfl/43757/260/2nd-year-rbs-robert-turbin

http://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/rb

http://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/rb2012

Go to any Seahawks fan site or message board and ask what they think about Turbin.

Truth is that he has some talent. He wouldn't be in the NFL if he didn't. As for him being a future starter, I find it highly unlikely. He was only a fourth round pick and his measurables are deceptive. He looks like an absolute tank on paper, but all that weight is in his upper body. He has Beanie Wells ankles and can't break tackles with quickness or power. He had one of the lowest tackle breaking rates in the NFL in 2013.

 

[Xue]

Even if you do have full confidence in Michael why is it so unreasonable that Turbin is a good back

Because Turbin isn't a good back.

Even if you do have full confidence in Michael why is it so unreasonable that Turbin is a good back

Because Turbin isn't a good back.

Turbin is a perpetual backup in this league... suitable for giving a breather to the stars. Not sure he would excel with opportunity elsewhere, either.

Right, I'm going to leave this thread before I try arguing with the wall here. Outside of some agility I see very little difference between the two. Give either one of them 20 carries behind Seattle's line and I think they do similar things to Lynch. Comparing Michael to AD is laughable. If he was 1/2 of AD he would have gotten more than 18 carries last year.

I lied because I'm a bit fired up now. You're telling me this guy couldn't carry the load and be a downright stud in PPR?:

I was a big Turbin fan pre-draft. He didn't look good last year for whatever reason. Call it Bernard-Pierce-itis.

Turbin isn't any less talented than Andre Williams, and he even had better production in the pass game in college. I'm already expecting EBF to strongly disagree with this statement. Funny how he thinks Turbin is garbage, yet is so high on Andre Williams.

 

[EBF]

Even if you do have full confidence in Michael why is it so unreasonable that Turbin is a good back

Because Turbin isn't a good back.

Even if you do have full confidence in Michael why is it so unreasonable that Turbin is a good back

Because Turbin isn't a good back.

Turbin is a perpetual backup in this league... suitable for giving a breather to the stars. Not sure he would excel with opportunity elsewhere, either.

Right, I'm going to leave this thread before I try arguing with the wall here. Outside of some agility I see very little difference between the two. Give either one of them 20 carries behind Seattle's line and I think they do similar things to Lynch. Comparing Michael to AD is laughable. If he was 1/2 of AD he would have gotten more than 18 carries last year.

I lied because I'm a bit fired up now. You're telling me this guy couldn't carry the load and be a downright stud in PPR?:

I'm SO HIGH on Williams that I own him in one out of seven leagues, where I got him as the #33 rookie pick.

Williams is better than Turbin though as a runner. At least he has the ability to break long runs.

 

[Bojang0301]

Even if you do have full confidence in Michael why is it so unreasonable that Turbin is a good back

Because Turbin isn't a good back.

Even if you do have full confidence in Michael why is it so unreasonable that Turbin is a good back

Because Turbin isn't a good back.

Turbin is a perpetual backup in this league... suitable for giving a breather to the stars. Not sure he would excel with opportunity elsewhere, either.

Right, I'm going to leave this thread before I try arguing with the wall here. Outside of some agility I see very little difference between the two. Give either one of them 20 carries behind Seattle's line and I think they do similar things to Lynch. Comparing Michael to AD is laughable. If he was 1/2 of AD he would have gotten more than 18 carries last year.

I lied because I'm a bit fired up now. You're telling me this guy couldn't carry the load and be a downright stud in PPR?:

He had a knee injury. I don't need innovative statistics to deceive my eyes. Michael is quick and agile for a big bruiser but he is not THAT different from Turbin. And that alone should be enough to roster both if you think Lynch's wheels are falling off.

 

[biju]

Even if you do have full confidence in Michael why is it so unreasonable that Turbin is a good back

Because Turbin isn't a good back.

Even if you do have full confidence in Michael why is it so unreasonable that Turbin is a good back

Because Turbin isn't a good back.

Turbin is a perpetual backup in this league... suitable for giving a breather to the stars. Not sure he would excel with opportunity elsewhere, either.

Right, I'm going to leave this thread before I try arguing with the wall here. Outside of some agility I see very little difference between the two. Give either one of them 20 carries behind Seattle's line and I think they do similar things to Lynch. Comparing Michael to AD is laughable. If he was 1/2 of AD he would have gotten more than 18 carries last year.

I lied because I'm a bit fired up now. You're telling me this guy couldn't carry the load and be a downright stud in PPR?:

In general I agree with your assessment having watched all of Turbin's carries in his NFL career. Having said that, he does--for whatever reason--have the absolute worst of luck in breaking long runs with penalties away from the ball. I think he had 4 or 5 runs called back last year with at least three of them being some ticky-tack penalty that had nothing to do with his run.

But overall I think many Seahawks fans would agree that his inability to break tackles (and particularly to often get tackled by the ankle) is pretty frustrating.

 

[ghostguy123]

Turbin doesn't look very good to me. Sorry.

He strikes me as the kind of guy that you can give some touches and he wont lose the game for you.

 

[Faust]

@MarcSesslerNFL 2h

I still see Christine Michael's carry ceiling in 2014 at around 75-100, unless he blows teams away. But he's the future of the @Seahawks.

 

[ghostguy123]

Every backup rb in the NFL has a higher ceiling than 75-100 carries.

Seems like a strange comment.

 

[Dr. Octopus]

Every backup rb in the NFL has a higher ceiling than 75-100 carries.

Seems like a strange comment.

it's implied that that is his ceiling assuming a healthy Mashawn Lynch. It would be a meaningless statement to say "Michael's ceiling is 285 carries, if Marshawn Lynch blows out a knee in preseason."

 

[Phenix]

Turbin doesn't look very good to me. Sorry.

He strikes me as the kind of guy that you can give some touches and he wont lose the game for you.

Pretty contradicting isn't it? A guy not losing you a game is pretty good to me.

Watching people go nuts over Michael is like watching Conservatives going nuts and believing everything Fox News says.

Reports say Michael is about to be a stud in a RBBC, they drool over it. Same exact site says the OC himself is back tracking and the Michael supporters don't believe it.

No one finds this like politics, that no matter what the facts are people want to believe what they want.

Facts:

Lynch is still a stud and still productive.

Michael is not guaranteed the spot ahead of Turbin on depth chart.

Michael didn't dress for most games his rookie season after being drafted in the 2nd and one spot behind Lacy who won Rookie of the Year. LOL.

Blame it on situation all you want, you draft a guy with talent, that talent will show and get you on the field at the RB position. Did it get him on the field?

Opinions:

ANYTHING hyping a guy who has only ran for 79 yards and still behind a guy they label as "Beast mode."

So yes for some, including myself, it is beyond a funny thing to see some people hoping praying and wishing so much that it clouds their judgement. Some are comparing him to AP for god sake.

ETA: Can Michael be good? Sure, but is he even deserving of any of this hype? Not in the slightest.

 

[ghostguy123]

Turbin doesn't look very good to me. Sorry.

He strikes me as the kind of guy that you can give some touches and he wont lose the game for you.

Pretty contradicting isn't it? A guy not losing you a game is pretty good to me.

No need for me to read past that statement.

No, there is nothing contradictory about what I said. Wow.

 

[ptsteelers]

Yep, okay, I'm biting. After 38 pages of this, I can stand no more. I just have to say it -

I am absolutely baffled by apparent intelligent men thinking that it matters one single bit that Michael didn't dress in games last year. A rookie, whom the team didn't quite trust in his pass protection, didn't dress for games? And this same rookie was on a team that had Lynch as the starting RB?

Now I agree with most everyone here (and I am not sure why this is still being said) that the current hype is just too much for Michael, but so is that "he didn't dress for X amount of games last year" rationale. One oversells him and the other tries to undersell him.

And while I am at it ... and in closing, if you can't tell that Michael has more talent than Turbin ... I mean ... I'm sorry, but I just don't get it. (And yes, please reply with a "You're right, you just don't get it)



Now this is not meant to anger anyone, but I just feel you don't have to be a scout to see how much better Michael is compared to Turbin on the field ... yes, yes, when he gets on the field! Ba-dum-dum.


Okay, I know I didn't add anything to this thread that hasn't been talked about ad nauseum, and kinda seems we have plenty of pages of that, but I just finally broke down and had to put my 'onion' in.

 

[ghostguy123]

The "he didnt dress a bunch last year" argument has about as much to do with his future than...................................I can't even think of anything less relevant.

 

[EBF]

And while I am at it ... and in closing, if you can't tell that Michael has more talent than Turbin ... I mean ... I'm sorry, but I just don't get it. (And yes, please reply with a "You're right, you just don't get it)

There is a big segment of the FF community that makes a point of insisting that no one can know much of anything about a player until he has "proven" it on the field. They look at all of the armchair scouts with disdain and condescension, like they are only kidding themselves by having an opinion about something that hasn't been completely 100% confirmed by an NFL front office and/or by NFL performance. So to them the idea that Michael just looks way more talented than Turbin wouldn't be convincing because they don't believe that anyone on FF forums is capable of making that assessment (though for reasons unknown many of these same people still visit FF forums and read the opinions of people whom they apparently believe can't know anything).

I kind of get that because I spend enough time on draft message boards to know that everyone has an opinion and that a lot of the "experts" spouting advice about prospects don't have the slightest clue what they're talking about. You can go to a draft message board and find someone who will tell you whatever you want to hear about <insert hot prospect of the moment here>. So the fact that some goober is hyping the piss out of Devin Funchess or Laquon Treadwell means nothing to me in the same sense that me saying Michael looks better than Turbin means nothing to somebody who doesn't put any value in my opinion.

I don't trust every fool with a keyboard, but at the same time I'm in the camp that thinks it is possible to occasionally decipher the truth about these uncertain prospects a little bit before it becomes cemented public knowledge. I actually think this can be one of the keys to long term success in dynasty. Making those calls just a little bit earlier than people who need to wait and see it. Therefore beating them to the front of the line with players whose stock is about to pop or plummet. And yea, I think Michael > Turbin is one of those calls that I'm pretty comfortable making right now. As much as I rip on Turbin, he may have some kind of career in the NFL. Michael seems like he has a chance to become special though, so to me it's not much of a debate between the two.

 

[humpback]

The "he didnt dress a bunch last year" argument has about as much to do with his future than...................................I can't even think of anything less relevant.

His pre-season performance, a comment from the OC about RBBC that he now claims was about OTA's, a clip of a run during garbage time where he was untouched until he stumbled and was tackled by a cornerback (which was called back due to holding), etc.- I'd say most of the "arguments" in here are pretty meaningless in terms of his future.

 

[jurb26]

The "he didnt dress a bunch last year" argument has about as much to do with his future than...................................I can't even think of anything less relevant.

His pre-season performance, a comment from the OC about RBBC that he now claims was about OTA's, a clip of a run during garbage time where he was untouched until he stumbled and was tackled by a cornerback (which was called back due to holding), etc.- I'd say most of the "arguments" in here are pretty meaningless in terms of his future.

Yup, this has been the most anti productive thread in the SP for a while. Now it's 38 pages of the same arguments that were presented in the first 5.

 

[ghostguy123]

The "he didnt dress a bunch last year" argument has about as much to do with his future than...................................I can't even think of anything less relevant.

His pre-season performance, a comment from the OC about RBBC that he now claims was about OTA's, a clip of a run during garbage time where he was untouched until he stumbled and was tackled by a cornerback (which was called back due to holding), etc.- I'd say most of the "arguments" in here are pretty meaningless in terms of his future.

Sure, most are. Most are speculation.

However, the "not dressing" argument is easily explained and in no way should be used as a reasoning for ANYTHING regarding his future, as in, 0%.

Every other arguments about everything in here has more merit than that one

 

[Phenix]

The "he didnt dress a bunch last year" argument has about as much to do with his future than...................................I can't even think of anything less relevant.

His pre-season performance, a comment from the OC about RBBC that he now claims was about OTA's, a clip of a run during garbage time where he was untouched until he stumbled and was tackled by a cornerback (which was called back due to holding), etc.- I'd say most of the "arguments" in here are pretty meaningless in terms of his future.

Sure, most are. Most are speculation.

However, the "not dressing" argument is easily explained and in no way should be used as a reasoning for ANYTHING regarding his future, as in, 0%.

Every other arguments about everything in here has more merit than that one

Says you, but clearly some disagree.

 

[Milkman]

The under selling and over selling can easily be explained. It just shows you who owns him and who doesn't.

 

[ghostguy123]

Says you, but clearly some disagree.

I know. Some aren't thinking clearly. I get it.

 

[ghostguy123]

The under selling and over selling can easily be explained. It just shows you who owns him and who doesn't.

F that, I am trying to trade for him in my leagues. Havent been able to.

Maybe I shoudl join the side comparing him to Turbin so I can try and drive his value down and trade for him, just like they probably are.