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Any chance they give him a "thanks for the memories" raise for this year in the form of a 1 year extension. He did kickoff their ascension with that incredible playoff run. We've seen Gore and Andre get these heart-n-soul if the team contracts in the recent past.
Is it possible? Sure. Seattle has a recent history of taking care of their guys (e.g. Baldwin, Sherman, Chancellor, Thomas) but one name that is also on that list is Lynch. I mean the guy got a new contract in 2012. I just don't see the leverage he has or why the team who likely will need to spend ~$30M/year on two player contracts (Wilson, Okung) in 2015 wouldn't want the extra $9.5M (I checked OverTheCap and was $1M off before) to roll over and help with that.

I think the current FO doesn't have the sentimentality of the older regimes. If they did, Red Bryant would still be on the team.
His leverage is that he helped win them a SB and they only have unproven RB's behind him. He can also screw them over by holding until week 1.
wouldn't Lynch get fined for not reporting to camp? Im sure all that will do is actually cost him money.

 
Well it seems that it only happens to RBs. I mean I'm trying to think of a player, who played a different position, that retired early. I can only come up with Jake Plummer and I don't think he enjoyed a prime.

 
Well it seems that it only happens to RBs. I mean I'm trying to think of a player, who played a different position, that retired early. I can only come up with Jake Plummer and I don't think he enjoyed a prime.
Umm, the best Olinemen in Car just did it this offseason.
 
Weird. Pretty much the exact opposite of the way you'd think an aging (albeit great) RB would act in this current NFL.
Right. I'm not sure what leverage he has.
He doesn't have any. I can't see them keeping him past this year without a significant, VERY significant pay cut for 2015 and beyond. Too many more important players to re-sign.

Now, those players may not have all been more important than Lynch to this point, but they will be after this year with Lynch older and older.
Repeat prospects take a pretty large hit if he isn't on the field.

That's the chip he is playing with.

Meanwhile the O.C. just stated some RBBC stuff that make his leverage far worse if it played out that way. That's why he is doing it now.
I can't discredit Lynch but NFL teams might view it differently. They do have Turbin & Michael and a healthy Harvin? I'm not sure how Carroll would react to a hold-out... imagine if it were Belichick!

Seattle will have to make tough salary cap decisions. Its one of the "problems" of success.

 
Weird. Pretty much the exact opposite of the way you'd think an aging (albeit great) RB would act in this current NFL.
Right. I'm not sure what leverage he has.
He doesn't have any. I can't see them keeping him past this year without a significant, VERY significant pay cut for 2015 and beyond. Too many more important players to re-sign.

Now, those players may not have all been more important than Lynch to this point, but they will be after this year with Lynch older and older.
Repeat prospects take a pretty large hit if he isn't on the field.

That's the chip he is playing with.

Meanwhile the O.C. just stated some RBBC stuff that make his leverage far worse if it played out that way. That's why he is doing it now.
Exactly, his leverage will never be higher than it is right now. Smart move by Lynch actually.
Just because his leverage will never be higher doesn't mean he has any leverage.

 
Weird. Pretty much the exact opposite of the way you'd think an aging (albeit great) RB would act in this current NFL.
Right. I'm not sure what leverage he has.
He doesn't have any. I can't see them keeping him past this year without a significant, VERY significant pay cut for 2015 and beyond. Too many more important players to re-sign.

Now, those players may not have all been more important than Lynch to this point, but they will be after this year with Lynch older and older.
Repeat prospects take a pretty large hit if he isn't on the field.

That's the chip he is playing with.

Meanwhile the O.C. just stated some RBBC stuff that make his leverage far worse if it played out that way. That's why he is doing it now.
Exactly, his leverage will never be higher than it is right now. Smart move by Lynch actually.
Just because his leverage will never be higher doesn't mean he has any leverage.

 
Napoleon Kaufman is another RB who retired early and in his prime.
Kaufman had some religious aspirations, no?

Lynch strikes me as a guy negotiating for more money. I suspect he still wants to play football.
Robert Smith walked away in his prime so it can happen.
Smith was highly intellectual. He walked away - after 8 years - to stay healthy and pursue a career in medicine.

Lynch.... strikes me as a football player who wants more money.

 
Napoleon Kaufman is another RB who retired early and in his prime.
Kaufman had some religious aspirations, no?

Lynch strikes me as a guy negotiating for more money. I suspect he still wants to play football.
Robert Smith walked away in his prime so it can happen.
Was he due to make 5 million?
According to this he was and that was in 2000.

Along with Cincinnati's Corey Dillon, he was considered the NFL's most desired free-agent running back and was expected to sign a contract that would have exceeded his last five-year, $25 million deal.

http://abcnews.go.com/Sports/Story?id=99857&page=1

 
Not the same class of back, but Mendenhall made over $2m last year and would have brought down seven figures again if he hadn't retired. It does happen.

 
It's not likely, and it's probably about leverage, but IMO Lynch is exactly the sort of cat who might decide to call it a day.
Lynch is exactly the kind of personality that could walk away without looking back. Not sure it gains him much leverage at all given the circumstances, but I'd respect his stance regardless.

 
Did Lynch actually say "I'm thinking about retiring?" Or is this more here say and assumptions like "we're going to be going to a rbbc.... during the ota's" Texas a&m strength coach, not football coach stuff etc etc

 
Steed said:
Any chance they give him a "thanks for the memories" raise for this year in the form of a 1 year extension. He did kickoff their ascension with that incredible playoff run. We've seen Gore and Andre get these heart-n-soul if the team contracts in the recent past.
Is it possible? Sure. Seattle has a recent history of taking care of their guys (e.g. Baldwin, Sherman, Chancellor, Thomas) but one name that is also on that list is Lynch. I mean the guy got a new contract in 2012. I just don't see the leverage he has or why the team who likely will need to spend ~$30M/year on two player contracts (Wilson, Okung) in 2015 wouldn't want the extra $9.5M (I checked OverTheCap and was $1M off before) to roll over and help with that.

I think the current FO doesn't have the sentimentality of the older regimes. If they did, Red Bryant would still be on the team.
His leverage is that he helped win them a SB and they only have unproven RB's behind him. He can also screw them over by holding until week 1.
Seattle isn't going to pay Lynch for what he did in the past. If he threatens retirement, that might get him a little something, but they aren't going to renegotiate his contract to a bigger cap hit because he was a key cog in their Super Bowl run. He already got paid for that (and another few years).
 
Napoleon Kaufman is another RB who retired early and in his prime.
Kaufman had some religious aspirations, no?

Lynch strikes me as a guy negotiating for more money. I suspect he still wants to play football.
Robert Smith walked away in his prime so it can happen.
To be in medicine! Not the same bro.
He probably won't make as much in medicine for the rest of his lifetime versus what he could have made in 2-3 years as a top 10 RB.

At the time he left, he said nothing about medicine...his reason was that "I am walking away from football, while I can still walk away"

 
Lynch told some of his teammates before the Superbowl that he would retire if the Seahawks won. If he is thinking about it now, which seems to be speculation at this point, it wouldn't be the first time, contract issues or not.

 
I honestly know nothing of the guy other than people have him inked in the HOF already, but I have read a thousand times he can't block or pick up a blitz to save his life. In addition some fumbling issues, is this true? The fact that he never played last season tells me that there is some truth to these reports.

 
This is Lynch just being Lynch. I am guessing he just isn't interested in practicing and these tiny little articles of media trying to make a story of it are strictly reaching.

I love how the articles point to Lynch not being at the White House as if he was skipping it cause he's angry about his contract. He hates doing interviews and media.

 
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If anything short of retiring or an injury is going to accelerate Michael 's career, this would be it. Lynch playing the retirement card likely will not endear him to management.

 
I honestly know nothing of the guy other than people have him inked in the HOF already, but I have read a thousand times he can't block or pick up a blitz to save his life. In addition some fumbling issues, is this true? The fact that he never played last season tells me that there is some truth to these reports.
Careful, according to fantasy "experts" in this thread not playing at all is completely irrelevant.

 
Ricky Williams walked away from a lot of money didn't he? I mean what Lynch is contemplating is not unprecedented.
Didnt he come back because he realized is was such a boneheaded mistake to walk away from money?
No, he came back because he would have had to pay back a ####load of money that by all accounts he no longer had.
Yea but you can't bleed a rock so if he was sued for money he did not have he could have just stayed off the grid and eventually filed BK.

I think he retired in the first place mainly because he was about to get suspended and just not did not want to deal with it anymore but also because Wannstedt abused him with an insane workload the previous two seasons and had plans to do it for a third season in a row. I recall ESPN reporting a few days after he retired that he would return with a raise and promise of a lighter workload to which the ESPN anchor, I thing Dan Patrick at the time, joked Ricky basically wanted what everyone wants: less work and more pay.

In the end I think he returned because to truly enjoy the freedom type lifestyle he wanted he realized that takes money.

In Lynch's case he's a different cat so anything is possible but the timing of this story just makes me think he's trying to get some leverage.

 
Napoleon Kaufman is another RB who retired early and in his prime.
Kaufman had some religious aspirations, no?

Lynch strikes me as a guy negotiating for more money. I suspect he still wants to play football.
Robert Smith walked away in his prime so it can happen.
To go to medical school. It happens that some guys retire early but it reeks of desperation to start naming players that retired early in the hope that Lynch does.

Maybe he will, but Rodgers-Cromartie just recently threatened the same thing until he saw a contract for him to sign. It's not all that likely that he walks away from $5MM - when his first statements were that he wants to get paid more.

 
Napoleon Kaufman is another RB who retired early and in his prime.
Kaufman had some religious aspirations, no?

Lynch strikes me as a guy negotiating for more money. I suspect he still wants to play football.
Robert Smith walked away in his prime so it can happen.
To go to medical school. It happens that some guys retire early but it reeks of desperation to start naming players that retired early in the hope that Lynch does.

Maybe he will, but Rodgers-Cromartie just recently threatened the same thing until he saw a contract for him to sign. It's not all that likely that he walks away from $5MM - when his first statements were that he wants to get paid more.
It would be unusual, but not unprecedented. A few things to remember are that Marshawn is a flat out unusual dude and that he just lost his two closest friends on the team (Robinson and Giacomini). He could just be smarting right now and come around after a bit of time, he could be playing his hand at a new contract (not likely to be successful) or he could decide it was a good run and hang them up to move back to the East Bay Area. None of these options would be all that surprising. And as good as he is and as fun as he is to watch tote the rock, Seattle has positioned themselves quite nicely to move on without Beast Mode. They are legitimately 3 deep at RB without Marshawn.

 
It would be unusual, but not unprecedented. A few things to remember are that Marshawn is a flat out unusual dude and that he just lost his two closest friends on the team (Robinson and Giacomini). He could just be smarting right now and come around after a bit of time, he could be playing his hand at a new contract (not likely to be successful) or he could decide it was a good run and hang them up to move back to the East Bay Area. None of these options would be all that surprising.

And as good as he is and as fun as he is to watch tote the rock, Seattle has positioned themselves quite nicely to move on without Beast Mode. They are legitimately 3 deep at RB without Marshawn.
It could be any number of things, but doesn't it seem the most likely is that this is much ado about nothing? This is all based on comments he made last year, and a "source" saying "he could" walk away when asked? Sure, he could, but I don't think he's even hinted at it recently has he?

 
I honestly know nothing of the guy other than people have him inked in the HOF already, but I have read a thousand times he can't block or pick up a blitz to save his life. In addition some fumbling issues, is this true? The fact that he never played last season tells me that there is some truth to these reports.
Careful, according to fantasy "experts" in this thread not playing at all is completely irrelevant.
As is taking comments totally out of context and spinning them to fit your needs, it seems

Yes ... again ... because you just can't say it enough here, the situation with Michael and the Seahawks in the year 2013 is what makes his "not playing at all" irrelevant. But, ya know, I am sure this logic will be misinterpreted 1,000 more times here, because we are trying for 100,000 by August.

Edit - as I forgot to address the guy with the Seahawk avatar and Seahawk related name that "knows nothing of (Michael)". Love the HOF remark. That has to be true, right? I mean Shanahanigans didn't bold that remark at all, so ...

As far as blocking, yes, the Seahawks were not sold on his blocking as a rookie (not unusual for ANY rookie), and that ... ya know what ... no. I am not playing this game were people seem to put their fingers in their ears and throw hyperbole out like the truth. Not doing it.

You guys are right and you should just avoid Michael. There ya go, problem solved :yes:

 
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It would be unusual, but not unprecedented. A few things to remember are that Marshawn is a flat out unusual dude and that he just lost his two closest friends on the team (Robinson and Giacomini). He could just be smarting right now and come around after a bit of time, he could be playing his hand at a new contract (not likely to be successful) or he could decide it was a good run and hang them up to move back to the East Bay Area. None of these options would be all that surprising.

And as good as he is and as fun as he is to watch tote the rock, Seattle has positioned themselves quite nicely to move on without Beast Mode. They are legitimately 3 deep at RB without Marshawn.
It could be any number of things, but doesn't it seem the most likely is that this is much ado about nothing? This is all based on comments he made last year, and a "source" saying "he could" walk away when asked? Sure, he could, but I don't think he's even hinted at it recently has he?
Of course it could be nothing, we are dealing with the media.Supposedly there were rumors around the time of the Super Bowl that he might call it quits.

 
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I honestly know nothing of the guy other than people have him inked in the HOF already, but I have read a thousand times he can't block or pick up a blitz to save his life. In addition some fumbling issues, is this true? The fact that he never played last season tells me that there is some truth to these reports.
Careful, according to fantasy "experts" in this thread not playing at all is completely irrelevant.
You're right, we do need fantasy football resumes.

I haven't seen anyone claim to be an expert. Speculation is we separate from the average.

And speculatively, as one of those sofa GM, eye-test guys who doesn't add much conversational value, this looks really, really, really good. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uzprXP6mkyk

 
I honestly know nothing of the guy other than people have him inked in the HOF already, but I have read a thousand times he can't block or pick up a blitz to save his life. In addition some fumbling issues, is this true? The fact that he never played last season tells me that there is some truth to these reports.
Careful, according to fantasy "experts" in this thread not playing at all is completely irrelevant.
As is taking comments totally out of context and spinning them to fit your needs, it seems

Yes ... again ... because you just can't say it enough here, the situation with Michael and the Seahawks in the year 2013 is what makes his "not playing at all" irrelevant. But, ya know, I am sure this logic will be misinterpreted 1,000 more times here, because we are trying for 100,000 by August.

Edit - as I forgot to address the guy with the Seahawk avatar and Seahawk related name that "knows nothing of (Michael)". Love the HOF remark. That has to be true, right? I mean Shanahanigans didn't bold that remark at all, so ...

As far as blocking, yes, the Seahawks were not sold on his blocking as a rookie (not unusual for ANY rookie), and that ... ya know what ... no. I am not playing this game were people seem to put their fingers in their ears and throw hyperbole out like the truth. Not doing it.

You guys are right and you should just avoid Michael. There ya go, problem solved :yes:
I don't care how you came to your reasoning. You still think his being inactive for 16 of 19 games is completely irrelevant. I wholeheartedly disagree as you may have guessed. I believe the odds of him ever being a RB1 are severely diminished based on that fact.

 
The thing is with Michael is his value is going to sky rocket as soon as he gets the starting RB position. So his value right now is to low even if you don't believe he's going to be a transcendent player because you can just trade him as soon as he has one good game or Lynch gets hurt/is dropped and get a kings ransom for him.
I don't like acquiring guys based on theoretical trades I might be able to make in the future if everything goes according to plan.

 
I honestly know nothing of the guy other than people have him inked in the HOF already, but I have read a thousand times he can't block or pick up a blitz to save his life. In addition some fumbling issues, is this true? The fact that he never played last season tells me that there is some truth to these reports.
Careful, according to fantasy "experts" in this thread not playing at all is completely irrelevant.
I guess if he was active and got 20 carries for the year but played special teams, that would have given him a much better future outlook right??

:nerd: :nerd: :nerd: :nerd: :nerd:

 
The thing is with Michael is his value is going to sky rocket as soon as he gets the starting RB position. So his value right now is to low even if you don't believe he's going to be a transcendent player because you can just trade him as soon as he has one good game or Lynch gets hurt/is dropped and get a kings ransom for him.
I don't like acquiring guys based on theoretical trades I might be able to make in the future if everything goes according to plan.
I do, and it works a LOT of the time.

Unfortunately that time either has, or is about to pass with Michael. A few months ago I traded pick 9 to get Michael and pick 24. Nobody is getting that price now.

So when 2015 rolls around and Michael is the guy............I have no problem trading him at stud prices, and while I do own Lynch my main reasoning for trading for him was because I felt his value would be way higher than that within a year. In just a couple short months it seems it is a lot higher. Even the Michael "haters" seem like most of them would pay a very late 1st for him.

 
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I honestly know nothing of the guy other than people have him inked in the HOF already, but I have read a thousand times he can't block or pick up a blitz to save his life. In addition some fumbling issues, is this true? The fact that he never played last season tells me that there is some truth to these reports.
Careful, according to fantasy "experts" in this thread not playing at all is completely irrelevant.
As is taking comments totally out of context and spinning them to fit your needs, it seems

Yes ... again ... because you just can't say it enough here, the situation with Michael and the Seahawks in the year 2013 is what makes his "not playing at all" irrelevant. But, ya know, I am sure this logic will be misinterpreted 1,000 more times here, because we are trying for 100,000 by August.

Edit - as I forgot to address the guy with the Seahawk avatar and Seahawk related name that "knows nothing of (Michael)". Love the HOF remark. That has to be true, right? I mean Shanahanigans didn't bold that remark at all, so ...

As far as blocking, yes, the Seahawks were not sold on his blocking as a rookie (not unusual for ANY rookie), and that ... ya know what ... no. I am not playing this game were people seem to put their fingers in their ears and throw hyperbole out like the truth. Not doing it.

You guys are right and you should just avoid Michael. There ya go, problem solved :yes:
I don't care how you came to your reasoning. You still think his being inactive for 16 of 19 games is completely irrelevant. I wholeheartedly disagree as you may have guessed. I believe the odds of him ever being a RB1 are severely diminished based on that fact.
Where are you getting those inactive numbers?
 
I honestly know nothing of the guy other than people have him inked in the HOF already, but I have read a thousand times he can't block or pick up a blitz to save his life. In addition some fumbling issues, is this true? The fact that he never played last season tells me that there is some truth to these reports.
Careful, according to fantasy "experts" in this thread not playing at all is completely irrelevant.
As is taking comments totally out of context and spinning them to fit your needs, it seems

Yes ... again ... because you just can't say it enough here, the situation with Michael and the Seahawks in the year 2013 is what makes his "not playing at all" irrelevant. But, ya know, I am sure this logic will be misinterpreted 1,000 more times here, because we are trying for 100,000 by August.

Edit - as I forgot to address the guy with the Seahawk avatar and Seahawk related name that "knows nothing of (Michael)". Love the HOF remark. That has to be true, right? I mean Shanahanigans didn't bold that remark at all, so ...

As far as blocking, yes, the Seahawks were not sold on his blocking as a rookie (not unusual for ANY rookie), and that ... ya know what ... no. I am not playing this game were people seem to put their fingers in their ears and throw hyperbole out like the truth. Not doing it.

You guys are right and you should just avoid Michael. There ya go, problem solved :yes:
I don't care how you came to your reasoning. You still think his being inactive for 16 of 19 games is completely irrelevant. I wholeheartedly disagree as you may have guessed. I believe the odds of him ever being a RB1 are severely diminished based on that fact.
Where are you getting those inactive numbers?
That's correct. He was active for three regular season games and inactive for 13 and all three postseason games.

And as you would expect in a 40 page thread, some people make a huge deal of it and others don't.

 
I honestly know nothing of the guy other than people have him inked in the HOF already, but I have read a thousand times he can't block or pick up a blitz to save his life. In addition some fumbling issues, is this true? The fact that he never played last season tells me that there is some truth to these reports.
Careful, according to fantasy "experts" in this thread not playing at all is completely irrelevant.
As is taking comments totally out of context and spinning them to fit your needs, it seems

Yes ... again ... because you just can't say it enough here, the situation with Michael and the Seahawks in the year 2013 is what makes his "not playing at all" irrelevant. But, ya know, I am sure this logic will be misinterpreted 1,000 more times here, because we are trying for 100,000 by August.

Edit - as I forgot to address the guy with the Seahawk avatar and Seahawk related name that "knows nothing of (Michael)". Love the HOF remark. That has to be true, right? I mean Shanahanigans didn't bold that remark at all, so ...

As far as blocking, yes, the Seahawks were not sold on his blocking as a rookie (not unusual for ANY rookie), and that ... ya know what ... no. I am not playing this game were people seem to put their fingers in their ears and throw hyperbole out like the truth. Not doing it.

You guys are right and you should just avoid Michael. There ya go, problem solved :yes:
I don't care how you came to your reasoning. You still think his being inactive for 16 of 19 games is completely irrelevant. I wholeheartedly disagree as you may have guessed. I believe the odds of him ever being a RB1 are severely diminished based on that fact.
Where are you getting those inactive numbers?
That's correct. He was active for three regular season games and inactive for 13 and all three postseason games.

And as you would expect in a 40 page thread, some people make a huge deal of it and others don't.
Not that it matters in the least, but NFL.com shows him inactive for 5 regular season games and all 3 playoff games. He only had stats in those three games however. Either way, this has no bearing on 2014 (except apparently to Shanahanigans).

ETA: looks like 6 regular season games upon second look.

 
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