Madden Curse
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75 pages on a guy who has averaged a few dozen touches per season and just got unloaded for a conditional last-round draft pick...
He had system familiarity though so I would not count himIt's kind of cheating but blount did it last yearOwn randle in one league and missed on CM and signed him in another league without him.
So to me he's a buy but as a randle owner I'm concerned but not panicked
Because... I'm just asking because I'm legitimately curious...
What back acquired after preseason and inserted into a totally new offense, has ever made an impact that same season. By trade or free agency. Is Dickerson, a superlative talent in a simpler offensive time, the only one?
Rb is the easiest skill position to integrate into. Yet, I can't recall anyone that's had success doing it (but I may missing a ton of guys)
Factor that with seattles frequent concern about all that goes with lynch, AND The loss of turbin AND his familiarity with the system and they STILL made him available for an old guy they found on the street.
Put it all together and the answer is to sell sell sell this week to the randle owner.
Because once randle hangs 100 and and a TD At home against an awful and injury riddled giants, his value drops dramatically.
http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/prospectrankings/2018/RB2017 is when Chubb will be eligible for fantasy drafts if he declares after his junior year correct? I acquired a 2017 First today in my league. Who else looks good? When is Elliot draft eligible and what year would he enter a fantasy draft?Fred Jackson is why Turbin was let go. Rawls and 4 years of cheap control made him expendable. I think they also plan on Lynch for next year and have their sights on an RB heavy 2017 draft.According to Seahawks:
34 yo Fred Jackson + conditional 7th > CM
You are misinformed on this topic. You should stop.
I'd heard next year's QBcrop is going to be good.
I think this is going to be more of a Linehan offense than last year. And Linehan always has a pass receiving back - Bush, KSmith, Best - that might be McFadden. In earlier seasons with StL, Miami and Min, Linehan had primary backs who did both, SJackson, Ronnie Brown, Moe Williams. These offenses always have backs that get lots of targets. I am starting to think this trade cements McFadden in that pass catching role like we saw in Detroit and Dunbar sort of being his backup. While Randle is the primary RB and Michael is his primary backup for that role, who can move up if Randle falters or is hurt.I'm not buying that unless from the mouth of JJ or the HC.Christine Michael trade doesn't change Cowboys' RB plans:
http://espn.go.com/blog/nflnation/post/_/id/177911/christine-michael-trade-doesnt-change-cowboys-rb-plans
Dropped Sproles for him. In a return yardage league.Evilgrin 72 said:I have Sproles too. Dropped Bush instead of Sproles and nabbed Michael.Kenny Powers said:Thinking of dropping Sproles for him as my RB5 (non-PPR).Evilgrin 72 said:Thinking of dropping Reggie Bush for him as RB5.
Considering its probably my last bench spot, tough call as I dont expect Michael to do much the first couple games and I may drop him anyway due to wanting one of the hot early WW guys.
Expect McFadden to be the 3rd down back. He is by far the best pass blocking back on their roster. Prior to this trade, I'd have expected McF to get some series too. Now its a 3 way mess with McF and Randle in a similar 1st/2nd down role and McF in the 3rd. Dunbar is a specialty player. Doesn't have size to pass pro effectively.I think this is going to be more of a Linehan offense than last year. And Linehan always has a pass receiving back - Bush, KSmith, Best - that might be McFadden. In earlier seasons with StL, Miami and Min, Linehan had primary backs who did both, SJackson, Ronnie Brown, Moe Williams. These offenses always have backs that get lots of targets. I am starting to think this trade cements McFadden in that pass catching role like we saw in Detroit and Dunbar sort of being his backup. While Randle is the primary RB and Michael is his primary backup for that role, who can move up if Randle falters or is hurt.I'm not buying that unless from the mouth of JJ or the HC.Christine Michael trade doesn't change Cowboys' RB plans:
http://espn.go.com/blog/nflnation/post/_/id/177911/christine-michael-trade-doesnt-change-cowboys-rb-plans
yeah, but where???? I'd likely say the 11th round should be his ceiling, but I may be over thinking thishttps://twitter.com/CecilLammey/status/640566525850578944
Cecil Lammey @CecilLammey 9h9 hours ago
every #FantasyFootball player has to rush to get Christine Michael right now, he's the best RB the #Cowboys have, behind that OL = $$$
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https://twitter.com/MattHarmon_BYB/status/640567760754339840
Matt Harmon @MattHarmon_BYB 9h9 hours ago
I'm definitely making a speculative add on Christine Michael in all leagues I can right now. Worth a shot with that ability + situation.
I have vivid memories of this. "WR1 with upside", they said...Thunderlips said:Kind of reminds me of the Percy Harvin hype as he came into and left SEA.
I already drafted last week. That noted, I drafted Gurley at 6.10 and Tre Mason at 12.10 as the fill-in while waiting for Gurley to get up to speed. I decided to roll the dice and drop Mason for the Michael lottery ticket. It may take 4 weeks, but I will take my chances with my other RBs while waiting to see if the gamble pays off on Michael. Other backs are on the weaker side though: Abdullah, Latavius Murray, Crowell, Sproles, and Dion Lewis. It is because they are more RB2 that I decided to gamble on C_Mike by dropping Mason.yeah, but where???? I'd likely say the 11th round should be his ceiling, but I may be over thinking thishttps://twitter.com/CecilLammey/status/640566525850578944
Cecil Lammey @CecilLammey 9h9 hours ago
every #FantasyFootball player has to rush to get Christine Michael right now, he's the best RB the #Cowboys have, behind that OL = $$$
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https://twitter.com/MattHarmon_BYB/status/640567760754339840
Matt Harmon @MattHarmon_BYB 9h9 hours ago
I'm definitely making a speculative add on Christine Michael in all leagues I can right now. Worth a shot with that ability + situation.
He signed an extension. But he is so mercurial who knows what his intentions are.BTW, Lynch was featured on "Tanked", the realityTv, entertainment show where businessman install colossal, custom fish aquariums.I just read that Lynch is actually under contract for the next two years.
Seriously, so you never take a player unless he is going to produce in the next 4 weeks? There are plenty of guys that I draft/ WW pick that I take just hoping they come on strong 2nd half of the season. I am holding foster, Gurley and bridgewater now for that reason. I am sure I will pick up a few guys on the WW this year hoping for that 2nd half gold.So I think everyone can agree CM is worth a flyer now, but in REDRAFT if you do pick him up how long are you willing to hold him on your bench and wait/hope to see some results? It wouldnt surprise me at all if he sees 5 or less carries in the first month of the season, even if say, DMC gets injured too at some point in September. What would best case scenario even be before October for him, 20 carries total? Most of my leagues benches are 6-7 deep (standard), not sure I can see myself stashing him for a month+ and hoping he breaks through. In all liklihood there will be a handful of WW pickups in the first month - if not the first couple weeks even - who pan out as weekly starters/flex for the entire season. Pass on them to hold Christine and hope seems like not a good strategy.
Some of those veterans may be signed after Week 1 so their salaries are not guaranteed. Also, the first serious waive of injuries hits after a real game.Another thing to consider is - what is the market dictating? There was no RB traded for a 1st rounder, or a 3rd rounder. We have Christine Michael being traded for a 7th rounder, and then Terrence West being moved for the same. We've seen an extreme devaluation in the entire RB position in recent years. Without weighing in as to whether or not I think Michael will be a success in Dallas, it's not surprising that ANY RB had a minimal price tag. There are FAs available in Montee Ball, BJGE, Ray Rice, Steven Jackson, Ahmad Bradshaw, Pierre Thomas, Knowshown Moreno, Shonn Greene - but no contract offers.
So is the 7th round price tag an indicator that Michael is a subpar player? Not to me. It is an indication that the entire RB position is worth much less than it was 10 years ago, therefore no team is likely to offer a high draft pick in a RB trade. Trent Richardson anyone?
Define "better runner".CM is clearly the better runner.
You explain it well. It's the whole floor/ceiling thing. I've held onto Michael since he was a rookie. I thought about cutting him but his ceilng has always been tantalizing.Good answer, Sabertooth, thanks. Makes sense in terms of Allen and similar #2s with more entrenched starters. My own thoughts is that a guy with some every game role like Lewis will, over the course of the season, get you more points than Michael barring injury.I think it's the blend of his youth, elite athletic attributes, the unsettled Dallas backfield, and the fearsome Dallas offensive line. I think he had a much easier path to fantasy usefulness than Buck Allen. Allen isn't even necessarily the number two back. Lorenzo looks like he's the guy once he comes back. Forsett is far more entrenched than Randle.
As for Lewis, I think he's going to be Vereen light. No upside. No thanks. He's in the wire in my 12 team Superflex and I couldn't cut mallet, Bryce brown, or rg3 for him.
I'd personally like to bet on a surer floor than the probability of injury and a higher ceiling, but am rooting for Michael to have the opportunity just the same. I think we can all agree that we don't know what we have in Michael without him getting a clear shot.
Cool. Nice of you to share a link. I'll check it out.http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/prospectrankings/2018/RB2017 is when Chubb will be eligible for fantasy drafts if he declares after his junior year correct? I acquired a 2017 First today in my league. Who else looks good? When is Elliot draft eligible and what year would he enter a fantasy draft?Fred Jackson is why Turbin was let go. Rawls and 4 years of cheap control made him expendable. I think they also plan on Lynch for next year and have their sights on an RB heavy 2017 draft.According to Seahawks:
34 yo Fred Jackson + conditional 7th > CM
You are misinformed on this topic. You should stop.
I'd heard next year's QBcrop is going to be good.
I am really happy about this trade and I think it's significant that Dallas was willing to give up something to get him. At the same time, I'd be a little more bullish if they'd given up something more significant such as a 4th-5th rounder. If the early reports are accurate, Seattle almost gave him away for free. That's not a great sign, although it makes some sense in their position with Lynch entrenched for the next few years. If you can get a pick for Michael and you think Rawls is a reasonable approximation, you might as well shop Michael and keep Rawls for less $$$. Michael had no meaningful role there for the foreseeable future and it's not like they were going to give him a big extension in two years if he's been on the bench the whole time.Another thing to consider is - what is the market dictating? There was no RB traded for a 1st rounder, or a 3rd rounder. We have Christine Michael being traded for a 7th rounder, and then Terrence West being moved for the same. We've seen an extreme devaluation in the entire RB position in recent years. Without weighing in as to whether or not I think Michael will be a success in Dallas, it's not surprising that ANY RB had a minimal price tag. There are FAs available in Montee Ball, BJGE, Ray Rice, Steven Jackson, Ahmad Bradshaw, Pierre Thomas, Knowshown Moreno, Shonn Greene - but no contract offers.
So is the 7th round price tag an indicator that Michael is a subpar player? Not to me. It is an indication that the entire RB position is worth much less than it was 10 years ago, therefore no team is likely to offer a high draft pick in a RB trade. Trent Richardson anyone?
Hey CM we want you to run through these bus size holes and then do your thing when you get to the Second level. Sounds crazy I know.Define "better runner".CM is clearly the better runner.
If you mean physical, explosive running than probably yes.
If you mean running a play where it is supposed to go and how it was designed than probably no.
I think it's somewhat alarming that Seattle gave him away for so cheap, but he was slated to earn $711k this year compared with $435k for Rawls. The way I see it, Seattle obviously likes Lynch as the starter and Jackson as the security blanket. They had two capable guys for the #3 role. Since neither guy is likely to see heavy PT without an injury, you might as well trade the one who has more market value. They were able to recoup a pick for Michael whereas I don't think they would've gotten even a 7th for Rawls. I still think it's a bit disappointing that Michael didn't pull a higher draft pick, but at least it shows that a team was willing to give up something for him.Not going to mention the 'T' word. There are only two questions.
1. Why would Seattle give up on him? More than anything, it's about the contract. If Michael had 4 years left on a rookie deal, he's probably still there. He probably wouldn't see the field this year, and it makes much more sense from an organizational perspective to keep a guy under team control who's not going to be in a contract year when he finally sees the field.
Maybe it will be that simple.Hey CM we want you to run through these bus size holes and then do your thing when you get to the Second level. Sounds crazy I know.Define "better runner".CM is clearly the better runner.
If you mean physical, explosive running than probably yes.
If you mean running a play where it is supposed to go and how it was designed than probably no.
Yeah I agree this might not pan out. Good chance it doesn't work. No excuses though. If CM doesn't win a role here he's just not that good.Maybe it will be that simple.Than again perhaps the intricacies of an NFL offense are a bit more complex than that.Hey CM we want you to run through these bus size holes and then do your thing when you get to the Second level. Sounds crazy I know.Define "better runner".CM is clearly the better runner.
If you mean physical, explosive running than probably yes.
If you mean running a play where it is supposed to go and how it was designed than probably no.
Maybe Michael will take the job and run with it (all pun intended) yet perhaps his reported shallow learning curve and inconsistency with protection and being in the right place at the right time will keep him from taking a leading role.
Agreed.Yeah I agree this might not pan out. Good chance it doesn't work. No excuses though. If CM doesn't win a role here he's just not that good.Maybe it will be that simple.Than again perhaps the intricacies of an NFL offense are a bit more complex than that.Hey CM we want you to run through these bus size holes and then do your thing when you get to the Second level. Sounds crazy I know.Define "better runner".CM is clearly the better runner.
If you mean physical, explosive running than probably yes.
If you mean running a play where it is supposed to go and how it was designed than probably no.
Maybe Michael will take the job and run with it (all pun intended) yet perhaps his reported shallow learning curve and inconsistency with protection and being in the right place at the right time will keep him from taking a leading role.
Dude, lynch will be gone after this yrLynch signed 2 yrs correction 3 yrs (according to roto)I don't get it, clearly this Lynch's last season there and if CMike showed some promise they would of kept
been hearin this ever since they drafted CMikeDude, lynch will be gone after this yrLynch signed 2 yrs correction 3 yrs (according to roto)I don't get it, clearly this Lynch's last season there and if CMike showed some promise they would of kept
I mostly agree with that. I don't expect him to be the day one starter, but if it's around week 8-10 and he's still doing nothing then you probably know all you need to know. The one thing that could throw a monkey wrench into this whole situation is if Randle/DMC just thrive from day one to the extent where there's never any incentive for the coaches to test alternatives. I find that scenario unlikely. You never know though.EBF we can't move the goal posts anymore. He either pushes Randle out of the way before the end of the year or he's just not that good.
Ridiculous. So many childish posters here when you have a differing opinion. This is supposed to be a fun hobby.Wow, all I did was bring up that there are few examples of successful RBs with in similar backgrounds and I get called an idiot, ######, and told to stop posting. Never even said CM wouldn't succeed in Dallas. No wonder so many good posters stopped posting here.
He runs well. Doesn't have the holding of the ball down very well.CM is clearly the better runner.
so you're saying week 1, Gray has 200 and a few TDs, then drops off the map week 2-4? That's how it usually works for me anyway.Dropped Jonas Gray for him.
So there's that.
You did nothing wrong. Some of that may not have been directed at you, but the source of the problem (though they went about it the wrong way, and it was removed due to profanity).Wow, all I did was bring up that there are few examples of successful RBs with in similar backgrounds and I get called an idiot, ######, and told to stop posting. Never even said CM wouldn't succeed in Dallas. No wonder so many good posters stopped posting here.
Keep it up. Every message board has "noise." You learn to sift through it. It's like reddit where the top comment is predictable and on the nose yet you scroll down and find something interesting.Wow, all I did was bring up that there are few examples of successful RBs with in similar backgrounds and I get called an idiot, ######, and told to stop posting. Never even said CM wouldn't succeed in Dallas. No wonder so many good posters stopped posting here.
I love how "doing a Bryce Brown" is now a thing.After drafting him 17th overall as a rookie and having him sit on my roster for 2 plus years, I traded him today. It is kind of bitter sweet. If I waited a little longer I am sure I could have gotten more but I figure the window to trade him might not be very long. His value either skyrockets in Dallas or he does a Brice Brown and fumbles away his best opportunity.
No, just cap wise I don't see it. They gotta pay Sherman and the SS holding out next. I'm sure some of those OLmen are wondering where their raise is as well.Are you having his baby? how do you know this?Dude, lynch will be gone after this yrLynch signed 2 yrs correction 3 yrs (according to roto)I don't get it, clearly this Lynch's last season there and if CMike showed some promise they would of kept
Gray was cut from Patriotsso you're saying week 1, Gray has 200 and a few TDs, then drops off the map week 2-4? That's how it usually works for me anyway.Dropped Jonas Gray for him.
So there's that.
Gray was cut from Patriotsso you're saying week 1, Gray has 200 and a few TDs, then drops off the map week 2-4? That's how it usually works for me anyway.Dropped Jonas Gray for him.
So there's that.
AwesomeNot for Seattle. Fred Vinson never did anything.Was Ahman green the last example of Seattle giving up early on a talented RB? That worked out ok.
There could be a lot more than just the "Dallas" tweet which included fond words of Family watching games..The obvious question here is, if he was good, why would Seattle just give him away (or cut him, which they reportedly would have done if they hadn't traded him)?
Are you saying that the Seahawks let their backups go b since their backups want to be starters and they "have a conscience"? For realz?There could be a lot more than just the "Dallas" tweet which included fond words of Family watching games..The obvious question here is, if he was good, why would Seattle just give him away (or cut him, which they reportedly would have done if they hadn't traded him)?
I might be mistaken, but I would think his agent could have spoke up too.. I understand that its not like Seattle had H. Walker riding the pine.. But the guy appears to be going nowhere fast. Its possible that an agent could only hope to see one real multimillion yr. deal...
Seattle has to have a conscience that the young man wants to play Ball. Theres a lot of news storys (used to be anyway) that CMike is a baller who needs an opportunity.. The Seahawks know how to evaluate and draft too. They most likely already see a small handful of RBs who will be soon turning 21, and fully capabale of getting the job done. Cheaper, and recovers from injury sooner.
All that being said, if it was me? Id let him go, if I thought he had a shot to really do something! I would want potential players for my Team to know 'This is where you Hope to play', but we will get ya ready to Play!
p.s. The dallas tweet, could have been a slap in the face or biting the hand that feeds
Im not quite following your post.. imo The Seahags own Lynch, and don't really believe CMike is the successor that they had hoped. Its almost like the Dynasty owner post above "selling out". IRL, I don't believe Sea. seen any real offers, compensating for a highly trained 2nd rnd pick. Sea. had to know/believe that some "Coach's" believe in CMike..Are you saying that the Seahawks let their backups go b since their backups want to be starters and they "have a conscience"? For realz?There could be a lot more than just the "Dallas" tweet which included fond words of Family watching games..The obvious question here is, if he was good, why would Seattle just give him away (or cut him, which they reportedly would have done if they hadn't traded him)?
I might be mistaken, but I would think his agent could have spoke up too.. I understand that its not like Seattle had H. Walker riding the pine.. But the guy appears to be going nowhere fast. Its possible that an agent could only hope to see one real multimillion yr. deal...
Seattle has to have a conscience that the young man wants to play Ball. Theres a lot of news storys (used to be anyway) that CMike is a baller who needs an opportunity.. The Seahawks know how to evaluate and draft too. They most likely already see a small handful of RBs who will be soon turning 21, and fully capabale of getting the job done. Cheaper, and recovers from injury sooner.
All that being said, if it was me? Id let him go, if I thought he had a shot to really do something! I would want potential players for my Team to know 'This is where you Hope to play', but we will get ya ready to Play!
p.s. The dallas tweet, could have been a slap in the face or biting the hand that feeds
Can you explain why C. Michaels was cut? Did they save face by holding onto a 2nd rnd pick for awhile?Are you saying that the Seahawks let their backups go b since their backups want to be starters and they "have a conscience"? For realz?There could be a lot more than just the "Dallas" tweet which included fond words of Family watching games..The obvious question here is, if he was good, why would Seattle just give him away (or cut him, which they reportedly would have done if they hadn't traded him)?
I might be mistaken, but I would think his agent could have spoke up too.. I understand that its not like Seattle had H. Walker riding the pine.. But the guy appears to be going nowhere fast. Its possible that an agent could only hope to see one real multimillion yr. deal...
Seattle has to have a conscience that the young man wants to play Ball. Theres a lot of news storys (used to be anyway) that CMike is a baller who needs an opportunity.. The Seahawks know how to evaluate and draft too. They most likely already see a small handful of RBs who will be soon turning 21, and fully capabale of getting the job done. Cheaper, and recovers from injury sooner.
All that being said, if it was me? Id let him go, if I thought he had a shot to really do something! I would want potential players for my Team to know 'This is where you Hope to play', but we will get ya ready to Play!
p.s. The dallas tweet, could have been a slap in the face or biting the hand that feeds