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SaintsInDome2006
Footballguy
I'm sorry, I just can't help remembering stuff I've read here:
http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=643155&page=2
http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=643155
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ImTheScientist
Footballguy
In June 2012 I said "turbinator" and "Biceps, Nice guy to have should Lynch go down". Key part of that is 2012. Last year he was the back to own if Lynch went down".
Both true in 2012. Btw, we are in 2013....you must have an awesome memory to remember posts like that a year and a half later. Kudos to you.
In 2013 w/ Michael on the team he isn't the back to own should Lynch go down. A lot of fantasy football/football situations change from year to year.
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BigSteelThrill
Footballguy
Ive been keeping the information on point from the late preseason - for redraft. Just was tried of reading the misinformation by hyper-fans.
It did mean something, we are talking about roster spots and handcuffs in redrafts. For the first two months its been Turbin without a doubt.
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biju
Footballguy
I like it. What are the other handcuff threads you post in? I usually follow those and haven't seen the weekly updates there for some reason.
BigSteelThrill
Footballguy
Let me ask you (back on point) when Spencer Ware is activated,,, might Michael be in street clothes again? Seriously, is it possible?
*I hadnt noticed the fan-hyperbole that was contradicting the teams in other threads.
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biju
Footballguy
It would make perfect sense for that to happen since Spencer Ware is a FB, and as many people saw on Thursday our 1st string FB (Derrick Coleman) was injured and we couldn't run our two back sets. He's also a great short yardage option.
I understand there isn't a lot of information to go on, but using their bit role utilization as an outright indicator is (IMO) faulty. The role Seattle has right now behind Lynch is for a 3rd down back. Turbin fits that better than Michael because of pass protection; and this is at a time when both of Seattle's tackles are out and pass protection from a RB would need to be emphasized. There are more considerations than simply active/inactive and snap count.
As a side note, I think you need to reevaluate your use of hyperbole. I just re-read through the thread and there's one obvious Seahawks fan spouting his usual stuff. For the most part everyone has been pretty spot on for evaluation and remained consistent in their beliefs without resorting to saying they know how the situation will play out.
ImTheScientist
Footballguy
Seahawks homer here, let me help you out.
Answer: Depends, if Lynch is injured then no, Michael will be getting the majority of the carries. If Lynch is healthy then yes he will probably be in street clothes.
If you are holding as a handcuff to Lynch then Michael is it. If you are needing weekly production out of Ware, Turbin, or Michael with Lynch healthy.....Im sorry, but your fantasy season is lost. Stop trying. I hope this clarifies any misconceptions you have about this situation. Glad to help out.
(sorry about the Steelers this year).....ok...not really.
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DropKick
Footballguy
Agreed... not sure why there is so much controversy on the topic. Michael is a promising dynasty prospect but a marginal redraft option with some handcuff value.Seahawks homer here, let me help you out.
Answer: Depends, if Lynch is injured then no, Michael will be getting the majority of the carries. If Lynch is healthy then yes he will probably be in street clothes.
If you are holding as a handcuff to Lynch then Michael is it. If you are needing weekly production out of Ware, Turbin, or Michael with Lynch healthy.....Im sorry, but your fantasy season is lost. Stop trying. I hope this clarifies any misconceptions you have about this situation. Glad to help out.
(sorry about the Steelers this year).....ok...not really.
Sabertooth
Footballguy
BigSteelThrill
Footballguy
So has there been setback?
1) Lynch missed some practice time.
2) Spencer Ware got put on IR.
3) Not only did Michael not play, he was left Inactive in street clothes for week 9.
REDRAFT UPDATE...
Christine Michael = DID NOT PLAY.
That's 8 DNPs in 9 games.
With a couple Inactives.
1) Lynch missed some practice time.
2) Spencer Ware got put on IR.
3) Not only did Michael not play, he was left Inactive in street clothes for week 9.
REDRAFT UPDATE...
Christine Michael = DID NOT PLAY.
That's 8 DNPs in 9 games.
With a couple Inactives.
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ConnSKINS26
Footballguy
Serious question here.
Was there a single poster on this message board that thought Michael would be relevant this year?
No?
Then why is BigSteelThrill bumping this religiously with DNP updates like it matters?
Was there a single poster on this message board that thought Michael would be relevant this year?
No?
Then why is BigSteelThrill bumping this religiously with DNP updates like it matters?
BigSteelThrill
Footballguy
Read the thread, they said he was getting carries every game. And be the handcuff.
ConnSKINS26
Footballguy
Who's they?
I can understand thinking he's the handcuff. If Lynch were to miss a game, and Seattle knew it ahead of time, I do think they'd activate him to handle early down work and keep Turbin on passing-down work. But Michael is redundant as long as Lynch is playing, and he doesn't play ST's, so he's not active.
Not many people who have hyped up Michael have said he'd make a mark this year. I remember some morons during his preseason explosion saying he'd push Lynch and they wouldn't be able to keep him off the field all season, but that was not the norm for Michael fans, who are almost entirely dynasty owners.
So who exactly do you think you're shoving these DNP's in the face of? You post them aggressively every single week, as if you're proving some grand point.
BigSteelThrill
Footballguy
Conn I see you are a Michael owner.
Even you pimped him as a late round pick for this year.
Which was/is the clutter I was trying to sort out. I'm plainly not discussing dynasty.
Even you pimped him as a late round pick for this year.
Which was/is the clutter I was trying to sort out. I'm plainly not discussing dynasty.
BigSteelThrill
Footballguy
Redraft
If Lynch sits (or gets hurt) who will be the RB... week 1? week 8? week 16?
So far its been TURBIN. Without any doubt it has been. Which is exactly opposite of what many (particularly those already invested in Michael like yourself) have been pimping.
I don't own Lynch. I don't own Turbin. I don't own Michael. But there is obviously big value from Seattles backfield which is very fantasy relevant for 2013.
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ConnSKINS26
Footballguy
But almost everyone in this thread is discussing dynasty, which is why I'm asking who you're trying to make a point to.
As for your link, he was and still is a high-upside late-rounder in re-draft. In the event of a Lynch injury he'd be gold.
BigSteelThrill
Footballguy
False. And my posts have big bolded REDRAFT. So thats on you and you should just skim past it.
ConnSKINS26
Footballguy
Lynch has not yet missed an entire game. Michael is redundant if lynch is playing, and doesn't play special teams, so he's generally not active.
So of course, when lynch goes down in the game, Turbin is "the guy". There's no one else.
If Lynch were to be inactive due to injury, then you'd have your answer. And many believe it's Michael. But it hasn't happened yet because Lynch has been active for every game.
BigSteelThrill
Footballguy
ConnSKINS26
Footballguy
There's no reason to dress a RB with a similar skill-set to Lynch when he doesn't play Special Teams. Read my other response to you, it more fully explains what I mean.He isn't even being dressed, with only 2 RBs active.
ConnSKINS26
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TheFanatic
Footballguy
So, Michael will be the guy if Lynch goes down? He is not dressing because he has the same skillset as Lynch. This is no different than when Moreno was scratched last year.
There's a big difference. Moreno knew how to pass block and didn't have to work on it. Has Michael pass blocked in a regular season game? He only played in one and it was mop up duty. I doubt he was dealing with a lot of third and longs where the Jags were blitzing.
The idea that Michael doesn't need to dress because he is a Lynch clone is ridiculous. The guy needs more time at game speed. Him not dressing needs to concern people beyond just redrafters. Concerned me so much that I moved him to the Lynch owner.
There's a big difference. Moreno knew how to pass block and didn't have to work on it. Has Michael pass blocked in a regular season game? He only played in one and it was mop up duty. I doubt he was dealing with a lot of third and longs where the Jags were blitzing.
The idea that Michael doesn't need to dress because he is a Lynch clone is ridiculous. The guy needs more time at game speed. Him not dressing needs to concern people beyond just redrafters. Concerned me so much that I moved him to the Lynch owner.
pollardsvision
Footballguy
I just assumed Paul Allen's using Michael to test out some virtual reality training innovation.
See if they can teach players to play in the NFL without risking injury in the process.
TheFanatic
Footballguy
I dumped Michael in a dynasty league, but it's a contract dynasty league with a max contract life of 3 years. I'm starting to wonder if by the time the guy is relevant, that in my league, I'll be able to go after him on our Free Agent night.
Phantom Knight
Footballguy
+1
Dynasty Michael owner.
I keep seeing this thread bumped and enter thinking there might be *real* news. Just to see this recurring DNP. If anyone here still needs to be convinced that Michael is not a long-term play... take it private with that person if it is your mission to help this person see the light. But for the rest of us with half a brain, please let it die already. It really seems a bit childish.
JackReacher
Footballguy
Lynch, Turbin, Michael owner in dynasty. You summed up perfectly how I view the situation. There are plenty of runners active every Sunday who share the same skillset as the lead back. I doubt skillset redundancy is the reason Michael is not dressing. Seahawks will go to reliable, tested Turbin if Lynch goes down.
Hooper31
Footballguy
He was active today, but probably only because all the guys that were inactive except for one was injured. He looked good today on a few carries. Very good. Explosive. However, I remember two plays where Turbin did a great job of picking up a blitzing linebacker. Stone-cold stops of a LB coming in at full speed.
ImTheScientist
Footballguy
Clearly he would be the man if lynch went down.
ImTheScientist
Footballguy
Mr. Retukes
Footballguy
Give me the list of #3 RBs who became stud starters after leapfrogging a productive #2 RB.
ConnSKINS26
Footballguy
Why does history matter? We aren't talking about a hypothetical, we have two players right in front of us. Watch Michael, and then watch Turbin. Do you really think Turbin's productivity as the 3rd down/COP RB is going to keep Michael from seeing the field when he gets his opportunity? The dude's a dynamo. Whereas Turbin is...productive.
BigSteelThrill
Footballguy
I'm here. Wifes birthday is today.
REDRAFT UPDATE...
Christine Michael = Gets playtime again (on final drive) in a blowout.
I think he displayed very much the pros and cons that people have on him.
In limited work he has a 12 yard run, 7 yard run and a 25 yard run called back on a penalty.
He also has 4 more runs for 3 yards or less and and a -6 run.
His 17 carries at 4.1 is blah overall, but this is a guy that patience and time should continue to help immensely.
His YPC is the same as Turbin and his game has more deficiencies.
No reason to really hold him redraft unless Lynch goes down and you want Turbins handcuff.
No reason to sell him low (or at all) in keeper/dynasty because the future scenario is too damn good.
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Bobbyn2022
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I'm in a league where we can only keep 5 running backs. Who do I drop
Spiller $45
Ridley $20
Gore $20
Steven Jackson $30
A.Brown $7
Christine Michael $1
It's a keeper league where u can keep a player 4 years max at the price drafted. I have to cut 1 guy this week.
Spiller $45
Ridley $20
Gore $20
Steven Jackson $30
A.Brown $7
Christine Michael $1
It's a keeper league where u can keep a player 4 years max at the price drafted. I have to cut 1 guy this week.
EBF
Footballguy
For keeper leagues I think you have to take Michael over SJax. You'll be kicking yourself if you let him go now.
The guy is already a hyped prospect in most leagues, but his value will EXPLODE once he becomes the starter. At that point you can decide whether to keep him or ship him out for a tidy profit. Right now his perceived value is nowhere near its eventual peak.
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BigSteelThrill
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mere blitzianity
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ImTheScientist
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ConnSKINS26
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RBM
Footballguy
I think it's going to be Jordan Todman, so I'm not going to worry.
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