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Christmas gift for future ex-employee... (happy holidays!) (1 Viewer)

Tusken Raider

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I supervise a team of 5 employees. Four of them have been very good at their jobs, handle their business, and usually need nothing more than minor oversight from me. However,  “Richard” has been a load of trouble to work with. He’s very immature, has a poor work ethic, and needs to be told what & how to do simple, daily tasks. Our team has tried to mentor/work with him since he joined us about a year and a half ago, but he takes no pride in his work.

Several friendly conversations, as well as training, and even write-ups, have not helped “Richard’s” behavior and work ethic. The other team members don’t like working with him, nor do other people at work. He’s a social media warrior who repeatedly cries victim, but also posts some extremely offensive racist & sexist topics on his private social media account that several coworkers have brought to my attention. 

A couple of weeks ago, “Richard” and another coworker not on our team got into it over some minor stuff at work. Both guys were counseled separately about the incident. The other coworker is well-liked by everyone, while “Richard” has worn out his welcome (everyone is tired of him.) “Richard” asked for a transfer to another location, which I’ve gladly signed off on. Everyone at work is ready for it to happen.

“Richard” will be transferring away at the end of the month. Our last day before Christmas, I give each employee a small gift, and they typically all go in together to buy me something. This year I had some gear custom-made with our team logo on it. They’re all identical, and I’m proud of how they turned out. (Another team’s supervisor liked them so much when I showed them to him that he asked me to have some made for his crew as well.)

I’ve decided to give each person on my team their gift in private, and tell them thanks for their efforts this year. For “Richard,” I‘ve decided to not give him the custom gift, but instead go with a gift card of equal value. Our team takes a lot of pride in our work, and since “Richard” has such a poor work reputation (which has already become common knowledge throughout the entire department), I’d rather not have him sporting our custom logo elsewhere. 

He’ll no doubt see the others’ gifts later, but I don’t want to have an awkward Christmas moment for “Richard” when each employee opens his gift, and sees that he is the only one without the custom gear.

My question to y’all is: is the gift card the right move, or would a different type of gift be better? (“No gift at all” isn’t an option - I try not to be a complete D-bag.)

Thoughts?

 
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When gifts are given out, you treat all members of the team like they are on the team. If he’s as bad as you say, he should have been fired long ago. 

 
I know this isn’t what you want to hear. If everything is documented then terminate him. No gift. 

And transfer within the company? Wth?

 
Why would you sign off on a transfer of an employee you wouldn't want to be associated with.. because now you are.

 
When gifts are given out, you treat all members of the team like they are on the team. If he’s as bad as you say, he should have been fired long ago. 
I know this isn’t what you want to hear. If everything is documented then terminate him. No gift. 

And transfer within the company? Wth?


My employer moves “problem people” from place to place, with the mentality that some supervisor will be able to work with them. I inherited “Richard” from another team for me to “fix.” Very hard to get fired where I work, unless you’re arrested/convicted of something. 

 
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Be kind. He may have a drug or alcohol problem. Your care of him could be instrumental in his rehab. Or he may just be an #######. Either way, it's not on you anymore. Give him the gift.  

 
When gifts are given out, you treat all members of the team like they are on the team. If he’s as bad as you say, he should have been fired long ago. 
I know this isn’t what you want to hear. If everything is documented then terminate him. No gift. 

And transfer within the company? Wth?
  

My employer moves “problem people” from place to place, with the mentality that some supervisor will be able to work with them. I inherited “Richard” from another team for me to “fix.” Very hard to get fired where I work, unless you’re arrested/convicted of something. 
Military or Government?

 
Sounds like you are giving another office a not so great Christmas gift.  Don’t give him anything other than 5 minutes with the office supplies.  

 
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My employer moves “problem people” from place to place, with the mentality that some supervisor will be able to work with them. I inherited “Richard” from another team for me to “fix.” Very hard to get fired where I work, unless you’re arrested/convicted of something. 
Sounds a lot like my place. Which is really the only bad part about it.

Military or Government?


You're giving government swag for Christmas? 

I love my job, have plenty of swag through the years but still wouldn't want government swag for Christmas. 

 
-OZ- said:
Sounds a lot like my place. Which is really the only bad part about it.

You're giving government swag for Christmas? 

I love my job, have plenty of swag through the years but still wouldn't want government swag for Christmas. 
Company pride stuff. Police/fire/military logo. Folks regularly wear T-shirts/hats off the job.

 
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Tusken Raider said:
My employer moves “problem people” from place to place, with the mentality that some supervisor will be able to work with them. I inherited “Richard” from another team for me to “fix.” Very hard to get fired where I work, unless you’re arrested/convicted of something. 
Sounds like the opposite of my employer.  You get canned for farting when you sneeze.

 
rockaction said:
Be kind. He may have a drug or alcohol problem. Your care of him could be instrumental in his rehab. Or he may just be an #######. Either way, it's not on you anymore. Give him the gift.  
I agree with rock. Give him the gift like the rest of the crew. It’s always good to treat people well as they are leaving, especially if they are staying in the same organization. You don’t know what he has going on in his life, and you don’t want this gift incident to somehow reflect poorly on you down the road.

 
If you're excluding him then save the gift giving, whatever it is, for January. If you're doing anything this week then it must be all inclusive. 

 
My take would be give him the same gift as everyone. I think I understand where you're coming from and it's a good place as the value of the card could be more valuable to him. But I'd still give the same gift and have in included. Even if he's about to not be included. On that day, he's included. And err on the side of being kind as rockaction said. You never know what's going on more deeply with folks. Or what kinds of things caused them to be how they are. Best to assume the assume the best.

 
One additional thought on the transferring the guy thing. Sometimes a change of scenery is what a guy needs. I'd advise as much transparency as you can. it's a tough balance as you don't want to tell the new manager too much and doom the guy before he gets there. But you also want to be able to face the new manager and not feel like you did something wrong. Whatever that looks like for you. You want to be fair to the guy. And telling him it's a transfer instead of firing him is likely the most fair thing. And also giving the new manager enough info so you're being fair to them. It's tough I know. Best to you in this. 

 
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Same gift. It would look like he's not a member of the team otherwise when he transfers. It's Christmas afterall. Maybe he'll see the kind gesture and be a little more motivated to do better. Worst case it doesn't but you can feel good about yourself for doing something for someone who probably has deeper problems than you know by trying to make him feel he's still part of the team.

 
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Osaurus said:
Sounds like you are giving another office a not so great Christmas gift.  Don’t give him anything other than 5 minutes with the office supplies.  
Maybe a nice stapler he can call his own. And a slice of cake.

 
Same gift for him. They're Christmas gifts for the team members, not performance bonuses.

 
I would have gotten rid of him a while back but since that did not happen, I would say same gift as everyone else.

From an employee point of view that whole story sucks. Its a bummer to work your ### off and see "Richard" doing what he does and you are both treated the same. I am currently thinking about looking for a new job for this very reason. This is how employers end up losing their good people.

 
I get it, as I drink coffee out of one of my former units' mug, wore an old t shirt last night. 

Mostly just giving you some gruff.
I still have an old golf wind shirt with the logo of a government committee I used to work on as the logo. It’s been 8 years. I’d actually donate it at this point but I don’t want someone walking around with the shirt. 

 
By the way, do you refer to him in air quotes as "Richard" around the office? It seems like you do. 

 
Finger flexion is not usually wrong, until it is. Be careful using it. Actually, don't use it. Figure out a way to say it differently.  

 
I would have gotten rid of him a while back but since that did not happen, I would say same gift as everyone else.

From an employee point of view that whole story sucks. Its a bummer to work your ### off and see "Richard" doing what he does and you are both treated the same. I am currently thinking about looking for a new job for this very reason. This is how employers end up losing their good people.
This has been my biggest concern throughout the past month. I have a solid crew of experienced and new folks alike, including a guy who transferred in two weeks ago from another employer. 

 
I re-read the post and can't any reason for this guy to still be employed by your company. But I guess that ship has (or soon will) sailed.

 
Update: Richard was transferred (and suspended from work) yesterday.

I mentioned that he and another coworker had words a couple of weeks ago. Richard was notorious for leaving messes in the common areas (food/trash), and personal items of his lying around (his jacket/backpack in random areas, work items used and not put away, etc). Our team repeatedly talked to him about this, and other teams got tired of it, and started putting his stuff “away” for him (moving his trash to his locker, or his randomly-left items in common areas in the way moved to another random but obvious location.) I counseled Richard about this, and spoke to the other supervisors about people moving his stuff.

Well, Richard filed a complaint with upper management citing a “hostile work environment” in our building. He notified me of his intent to do so, but failed to address his issue with me first (which is our policy.) In his written complaint, he stated that other employees singled him out and picked on him. As I've stated before, he has a "victim mentality" when he'd been confronted or counseled. 

So after a meeting yesterday between Richard, me, my boss, and my boss’s boss, the decision was made to move Richard ASAP. I had requested this to my boss a couple of weeks ago, compete with documentation of his performance and my counseling sessions with him. He was told that his complaint of “hostile work” did not mean what he thought it meant. During this meeting, he also received discipline for a safety violation (damage to work equipment due to his carelessness), as well as for him using a week's worth of sick leave that he tried to support with a doctor's office note (that didn't match the duration of his absence.) He'll be suspended without pay for the latter. 

Richard was told to report for work next week at a different location while management investigated all of his “issues” and incidents. He won’t be with our team effective immediately, and I hope the guy gets help from his next supervisor, as well as the department itself. I was told not to contact his next supervisor, that my boss and my documentation would speak for me.  :rolleyes:

And since he’s been moved, he obviously won’t be around during our gift exchange. But if he had been, I’d decided to go with gift cards for both Richard and the team, and then to give out the custom team gear to the remainder of the team after he’d transferred out. I feel that would have been the option that suited everyone equally, and then rewarded the rest of the team as a “bonus” their work and positive production.

I saw lots of good sound common sense advice from y'all in here, and appreciate the overall sentiment of being the bigger person and showing love to everyone. Thanks, FFA!

:thumbup:

 
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Worked out well.  Hopefully this will wake the guy up assuming he does not get terminated.  Merry Christmas 

 
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Update: Richard was transferred (and suspended from work) yesterday.

I mentioned that he and another coworker had words a couple of weeks ago. Richard was notorious for leaving messes in the common areas (food/trash), and personal items of his lying around (his jacket/backpack in random areas, work items used and not put away, etc). Our team repeatedly talked to him about this, and other teams got tired of it, and started putting his stuff “away” for him (moving his trash to his locker, or his randomly-left items in common areas in the way moved to another random but obvious location.) I counseled Richard about this, and spoke to the other supervisors about people moving his stuff.

Well, Richard filed a complaint with upper management citing a “hostile work environment” in our building. He notified me of his intent to do so, but failed to address his issue with me first (which is our policy.) In his written complaint, he stated that other employees singled him out and picked on him. As I've stated before, he has a "victim mentality" when he'd been confronted or counseled. 

So after a meeting yesterday between Richard, me, my boss, and my boss’s boss, the decision was made to move Richard ASAP. I had requested this to my boss a couple of weeks ago, compete with documentation of his performance and my counseling sessions with him. He was told that his complaint of “hostile work” did not mean what he thought it meant. During this meeting, he also received discipline for a safety violation (damage to work equipment due to his carelessness), as well as for him using a week's worth of sick leave that he tried to support with a doctor's office note (that didn't match the duration of his absence.) He'll be suspended without pay for the latter. 

Richard was told to report for work next week at a different location while management investigated all of his “issues” and incidents. He won’t be with our team effective immediately, and I hope the guy gets help from his next supervisor, as well as the department itself. I was told not to contact his next supervisor, that my boss and my documentation would speak for me.  :rolleyes:

And since he’s been moved, he obviously won’t be around during our gift exchange. But if he had been, I’d decided to go with gift cards for both Richard and the team, and then to give out the custom team gear to the remainder of the team after he’d transferred out. I feel that would have been the option that suited everyone equally, and then rewarded the rest of the team as a “bonus” their work and positive production.

I saw lots of good sound common sense advice from y'all in here, and appreciate the overall sentiment of being the bigger person and showing love to everyone. Thanks, FFA!

:thumbup:
Glad it worked out. You get more out of most people with honey than vinegar. I approach with compassion first as long as no one is in danger to others, then go from there. Hopefully he'll think about, get help if it's mental issues, and gets it together this time. 

 
It drives me absolutely crazy to read this update. It’s about more than the team gift now. As a taxpayer we deserve better. As I said early on, this guy should’ve been fired long ago. How about you try to change the culture of government by doing the right thing rather than just go along with the old “lifetime employment” crap? 

 
It drives me absolutely crazy to read this update. It’s about more than the team gift now. As a taxpayer we deserve better. As I said early on, this guy should’ve been fired long ago. How about you try to change the culture of government by doing the right thing rather than just go along with the old “lifetime employment” crap? 
I totally missed the government part. Disregard everything I said about firing. No government boss is willing to take the time and effort to get rid of a problem employee, nor do they have the nads for it. Passing the problem on is the norm.

 
It drives me absolutely crazy to read this update. It’s about more than the team gift now. As a taxpayer we deserve better. As I said early on, this guy should’ve been fired long ago. How about you try to change the culture of government by doing the right thing rather than just go along with the old “lifetime employment” crap? 
I totally missed the government part. Disregard everything I said about firing. No government boss is willing to take the time and effort to get rid of a problem employee, nor do they have the nads for it. Passing the problem on is the norm.
We all know it’s the norm. That’s the problem.

Why government employees want drama, poor performance that reflects bad on you, makes more work for you and your team, causes resentment, causes stress, more paperwork, etc. vs. private sector leaders who take action to make things better for everyone, is amazing and disgusting to me. 

 
We all know it’s the norm. That’s the problem.

Why government employees want drama, poor performance that reflects bad on you, makes more work for you and your team, causes resentment, causes stress, more paperwork, etc. vs. private sector leaders who take action to make things better for everyone, is amazing and disgusting to me. 
What a private sector leader "has" to do to fire someone and what a government employee "has" to do is so vastly different that it isn't even apples and oranges. It's apples and cars. Not even in the same species. With the rotation time for most government positions, a boss would have to start the documentation process for a firing on the first day he took the job to get it done in time before s/he rotated out. And the employees know it. So most (all) don't even waste the effort trying. Sad, but true.

 

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