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CJ Anderson (3 Viewers)

he looked chubby and slow, same issue he had to start last season before he got into game shape. i think he is a great buy low from panicking owners after he struggles against the chiefs.

 
Rimez said:
he looked chubby and slow, same issue he had to start last season before he got into game shape. i think he is a great buy low from panicking owners after he struggles against the chiefs.
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i'm sorry but maybe last year he had an excuse but he knew he had a shot to be the bell cow and he comes into the season chubby and slow?

 
Reports all offseason were about how he came into camp in great shape. I'm guessing he's injured.

If not, at least I got Hillman for cheap when everybody expected Ball to be competing for the starting job.

 
Hillman came into the game after Suggs went down. Let's not read too much into this. CJ is still the most proven RB on the roster.

 
Rhythmdoctor said:
CJ Anderson just played the top rated rush defense from last season. Let's not panic, folks.
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Not excusing Anderson's performance - he looked much more plodding and less aggressive than Hillman, who was obviously more effective. But RD does correctly point out one mitigating factor -- that D-line was really stout and clogging up the middle gaps where Anderson was running.

 
Stompin said:
Rhythmdoctor said:
CJ Anderson just played the top rated rush defense from last season. Let's not panic, folks.
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Not excusing Anderson's performance - he looked much more plodding and less aggressive than Hillman, who was obviously more effective. But RD does correctly point out one mitigating factor -- that D-line was really stout and clogging up the middle gaps where Anderson was running.
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Meh. The O line "revamp" is brutal.

I'm in and concerned.

 
ATB said:
Hillman came into the game after Suggs went down. Let's not read too much into this. CJ is still the most proven RB on the roster.
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What does Suggs injury have to do with anything???? And Hillman was getting plenty of snaps before that, including most of the snaps to start the 2nd half. And saying he is the most proven isnt saying much at all. CJ has less than 200 career carries. He's had one really good stretch of 6 or 7 games and only got that opportunity after injuries to Ball and Hillman.

Stompin said:
Rhythmdoctor said:
CJ Anderson just played the top rated rush defense from last season. Let's not panic, folks.
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Not excusing Anderson's performance - he looked much more plodding and less aggressive than Hillman, who was obviously more effective. But RD does correctly point out one mitigating factor -- that D-line was really stout and clogging up the middle gaps where Anderson was running.
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Baltimore dominated the line of scrimmage and you certainly have to factor in that this performance was against a very good D. But there is a lot to be concerned about beyond just his poor stats. He gave away A LOT more snaps to Hillman than a true bellcow would. And a lot of his value this year was b/c there were indications he would be used as a true bellcow.

So the snap distribution, the lack of production, Hillman doing more with his carries, the poor offensive line play, Peyton's continued decline, and now the sprain toe.

A LOT to be concerned about here folks.

 
VaTerp said:
ATB said:
Hillman came into the game after Suggs went down. Let's not read too much into this. CJ is still the most proven RB on the roster.
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What does Suggs injury have to do with anything???? And Hillman was getting plenty of snaps before that, including most of the snaps to start the 2nd half. And saying he is the most proven isnt saying much at all. CJ has less than 200 career carries. He's had one really good stretch of 6 or 7 games and only got that opportunity after injuries to Ball and Hillman.

Stompin said:
Rhythmdoctor said:
CJ Anderson just played the top rated rush defense from last season. Let's not panic, folks.
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Not excusing Anderson's performance - he looked much more plodding and less aggressive than Hillman, who was obviously more effective. But RD does correctly point out one mitigating factor -- that D-line was really stout and clogging up the middle gaps where Anderson was running.
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Baltimore dominated the line of scrimmage and you certainly have to factor in that this performance was against a very good D. But there is a lot to be concerned about beyond just his poor stats. He gave away A LOT more snaps to Hillman than a true bellcow would. And a lot of his value this year was b/c there were indications he would be used as a true bellcow.

So the snap distribution, the lack of production, Hillman doing more with his carries, the poor offensive line play, Peyton's continued decline, and now the sprain toe.

A LOT to be concerned about here folks.
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That may have been the story back in July, but Hillman looked pretty good in preseason action. To me it reads simply like a case of a guy that earned more carries based on work put in.

 
Dizzy said:
VaTerp said:
ATB said:
Hillman came into the game after Suggs went down. Let's not read too much into this. CJ is still the most proven RB on the roster.
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What does Suggs injury have to do with anything???? And Hillman was getting plenty of snaps before that, including most of the snaps to start the 2nd half. And saying he is the most proven isnt saying much at all. CJ has less than 200 career carries. He's had one really good stretch of 6 or 7 games and only got that opportunity after injuries to Ball and Hillman.

Stompin said:
Rhythmdoctor said:
CJ Anderson just played the top rated rush defense from last season. Let's not panic, folks.
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Not excusing Anderson's performance - he looked much more plodding and less aggressive than Hillman, who was obviously more effective. But RD does correctly point out one mitigating factor -- that D-line was really stout and clogging up the middle gaps where Anderson was running.
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Baltimore dominated the line of scrimmage and you certainly have to factor in that this performance was against a very good D. But there is a lot to be concerned about beyond just his poor stats. He gave away A LOT more snaps to Hillman than a true bellcow would. And a lot of his value this year was b/c there were indications he would be used as a true bellcow.

So the snap distribution, the lack of production, Hillman doing more with his carries, the poor offensive line play, Peyton's continued decline, and now the sprain toe.

A LOT to be concerned about here folks.
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That may have been the story back in July, but Hillman looked pretty good in preseason action. To me it reads simply like a case of a guy that earned more carries based on work put in.
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That's likely true but matters little now to Anderson owners and the price paid to get him.

 
VaTerp said:
ATB said:
Hillman came into the game after Suggs went down. Let's not read too much into this. CJ is still the most proven RB on the roster.
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What does Suggs injury have to do with anything???? And Hillman was getting plenty of snaps before that, including most of the snaps to start the 2nd half. And saying he is the most proven isnt saying much at all. CJ has less than 200 career carries. He's had one really good stretch of 6 or 7 games and only got that opportunity after injuries to Ball and Hillman.

Stompin said:
Rhythmdoctor said:
CJ Anderson just played the top rated rush defense from last season. Let's not panic, folks.
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Not excusing Anderson's performance - he looked much more plodding and less aggressive than Hillman, who was obviously more effective. But RD does correctly point out one mitigating factor -- that D-line was really stout and clogging up the middle gaps where Anderson was running.
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Baltimore dominated the line of scrimmage and you certainly have to factor in that this performance was against a very good D. But there is a lot to be concerned about beyond just his poor stats. He gave away A LOT more snaps to Hillman than a true bellcow would. And a lot of his value this year was b/c there were indications he would be used as a true bellcow.

So the snap distribution, the lack of production, Hillman doing more with his carries, the poor offensive line play, Peyton's continued decline, and now the sprain toe.

A LOT to be concerned about here folks.
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Baltimore was the #1 run D last year according to PFF. To me Peyton's decline means they'll need to lean on the run game more.

Raise an eyebrow? Yes. Panic? No. At least not yet.

 
Rhythmdoctor said:
CJ Anderson just played the top rated rush defense from last season. Let's not panic, folks.
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I agree about not getting carried away after one game, but it's clear that the Denver o-line is mediocre at best and Anderson looks slow and barely resembles the guy I saw running possessed the end of last year. To boot, he incurred some sort of toe/foot injury and Hillman looked so much better. I don't own him, but would definitely not be happy. Manning looked horrible and should have called it quits after last year's end of the season debacle

 
Let's not overreact to one game against a top rushing defense.

Hillman did look more explosive, even before the injury. If Anderson misses time, this could end up a 50-50 RBBC, but it's way too early to conclude it will happen. And it's not like Hillman hadn't had his chances repeatedly before. Last year he was thoroughly outplayed.

The bigger concern for me should be the inept passing game (as predicted). Hard to support a top rusher - no matter who - when opposing defenses don't respect your deep threats.

 
What would you want for him if you owned him right now? What kind of offer would you turn down?

What would you offer for him right now? What would be too much?

 
Zdravko said:
Let's not overreact to one game against a top rushing defense.

Hillman did look more explosive, even before the injury. If Anderson misses time, this could end up a 50-50 RBBC, but it's way too early to conclude it will happen. And it's not like Hillman hadn't had his chances repeatedly before. Last year he was thoroughly outplayed.

The bigger concern for me should be the inept passing game (as predicted). Hard to support a top rusher - no matter who - when opposing defenses don't respect your deep threats.
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You guys are missing the pout a bout Manning's ineptitude, coupled with a below average line.

 
bostonfred said:
What would you want for him if you owned him right now? What kind of offer would you turn down?

What would you offer for him right now? What would be too much?
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I would want to trade for another week one under performer who I thought had a better chance to bounce back, like aj green or LeSean mccoy. But as a Mccoy and green owner I wouldn't give either for him. I might offer a couple mid tier prospects for him - guys like stevie Johnson or joique bell, although the specific names aren't the point. But I don't think the cj owner would take that.

 
VaTerp said:
Dizzy said:
VaTerp said:
ATB said:
Hillman came into the game after Suggs went down. Let's not read too much into this. CJ is still the most proven RB on the roster.
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What does Suggs injury have to do with anything???? And Hillman was getting plenty of snaps before that, including most of the snaps to start the 2nd half. And saying he is the most proven isnt saying much at all. CJ has less than 200 career carries. He's had one really good stretch of 6 or 7 games and only got that opportunity after injuries to Ball and Hillman.

Stompin said:
Rhythmdoctor said:
CJ Anderson just played the top rated rush defense from last season. Let's not panic, folks.
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Not excusing Anderson's performance - he looked much more plodding and less aggressive than Hillman, who was obviously more effective. But RD does correctly point out one mitigating factor -- that D-line was really stout and clogging up the middle gaps where Anderson was running.
Click to expand...
Baltimore dominated the line of scrimmage and you certainly have to factor in that this performance was against a very good D. But there is a lot to be concerned about beyond just his poor stats. He gave away A LOT more snaps to Hillman than a true bellcow would. And a lot of his value this year was b/c there were indications he would be used as a true bellcow.

So the snap distribution, the lack of production, Hillman doing more with his carries, the poor offensive line play, Peyton's continued decline, and now the sprain toe.

A LOT to be concerned about here folks.
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That may have been the story back in July, but Hillman looked pretty good in preseason action. To me it reads simply like a case of a guy that earned more carries based on work put in.
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That's likely true but matters little now to Anderson owners and the price paid to get him.
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Well that's kind of the point. The whispers should have been there. Seemed like a pretty deep pool of RB's this year... no need to burn a 1st rounder on a guy that got outplayed by his understudy in preseason.

 
Let's reset this.

Anderson has a toe issue which is terrible for Rbs.

The O-line is simply not good.

The whispers of the reduced arm strength are real.

Peyton has always been a guy that won't stand tough in the pocket and now he's on pace to take 50+ sacks. I don't think he can hold up if that happens.

So, the thing that gives all Manning RBs such an advantage is completely off the board right now. I can see Anderson being a top 30 RB but certainly, at this time, not a first round rb.

 
Hillman has been here before the #2 elevating to the #1 and obviously the way he looked in preseason wants to get back there. He is hungry... If I was a Anderson owned any didnt have any shares in Hillman I would be worried.

 
Hillman has always flashed / looked good on COP carries, that's nothing new -- and Denver has never really seemed to want to give him more than the COP role. If I were an Anderson owner, I'd be more worried by far about the fact that the entire offense / Peyton looked like garbage. It's never a good idea to panic after one week, but man, they looked rough out there.

 
I don't own Anderson anywhere, but I owned Ball last year and this reads a whole, whole lot like the Ball thread.

 
IT'S ONE GAME! Remember how the sky was falling on the Pats last year in KC? Everyone said it was the end of a dynasty. A flat-out disaster. Then what happened? One of the best offenses in the league after that. And a SB ring.

It's early. It was a bad game. Against a great defense.

The sky is not falling. On CJ or Peyton or that O-line.

 
I've been playing FF since 1998 and have enjoyed a lot of success over the years. I say that only to indicate that I know not to panic and overreact to week 1.

But I'm pushing the button with Anderson. Luckily for me he's my RB2 but I just don't like this situation. All of the red flags that were there before have been raised full mast and the toe injury is another cause of even more concern.

I'd been trying to get Hillman since the night of the draft but now I'm going the other route and am offering CJ to him.

 
Coeur de Lion said:
Hillman has always flashed / looked good on COP carries, that's nothing new -- and Denver has never really seemed to want to give him more than the COP role.
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I don't think Kubiak cares about what Denver did before this year, and certainly Forsett brought less staying power to Baltimore last year before people believed what their eyes were seeing. Hillman did alright with his 20+ carry games last year. And I don't think Thompson is a threat to take significant carries if Anderson were out.

 
ATB said:
IT'S ONE GAME! Remember how the sky was falling on the Pats last year in KC? Everyone said it was the end of a dynasty. A flat-out disaster. Then what happened? One of the best offenses in the league after that. And a SB ring.

It's early. It was a bad game. Against a great defense.

The sky is not falling. On CJ or Peyton or that O-line.
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Spoken like a true Broncos fan

 
Seekay said:
ATB said:
IT'S ONE GAME! Remember how the sky was falling on the Pats last year in KC? Everyone said it was the end of a dynasty. A flat-out disaster. Then what happened? One of the best offenses in the league after that. And a SB ring.

It's early. It was a bad game. Against a great defense.

The sky is not falling. On CJ or Peyton or that O-line.
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Spoken like a true Broncos fan
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At least they won unlike the Ravens, Seahawks or Colts.

 
Seekay said:
ATB said:
IT'S ONE GAME! Remember how the sky was falling on the Pats last year in KC? Everyone said it was the end of a dynasty. A flat-out disaster. Then what happened? One of the best offenses in the league after that. And a SB ring.

It's early. It was a bad game. Against a great defense.

The sky is not falling. On CJ or Peyton or that O-line.
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Spoken like a true Broncos fan
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Not a Broncos fan, just a CJ owner who fears he dumped his 1st round pick. But again, CJ did not look like a backup to me.

 
Mile High said:
Seekay said:
ATB said:
IT'S ONE GAME! Remember how the sky was falling on the Pats last year in KC? Everyone said it was the end of a dynasty. A flat-out disaster. Then what happened? One of the best offenses in the league after that. And a SB ring.

It's early. It was a bad game. Against a great defense.

The sky is not falling. On CJ or Peyton or that O-line.
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Spoken like a true Broncos fan
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At least they won unlike the Ravens, Seahawks or Colts.
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True then again Ravens have no down field threats. Offensively if they cant run the ball they are gonna struggle. Their WRs are horrible right now. I guess we will see this Thursday. It will be interesting to see how Anderson performs and how Broncos match up against the Chiefs.. cause i dont think anyone is scared of Peyton buring them deep. Which is just gonna bring those safties in and make it harder to run the ball

 
CJ owner here. I don't think it's been mentioned, but do any homers know if any of those Manning sacks were due to a missed block by either RB? This would obviously play into the outlook as well.

 
profit said:
CJ owner here. I don't think it's been mentioned, but do any homers know if any of those Manning sacks were due to a missed block by either RB? This would obviously play into the outlook as well.
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Not really. I think on one sack Hillman was there to block he just got ran over. On another one CJ was in but went out on a pass play, maybe if he was back there he would have helped. The O-line pretty much sucked.

 
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The injury thing is definitely a problem. But that can't be forecast so I don't feel bad about it. The part that bothers me is I bought into the hype around here of people saying Kubiak does not do RBBC. That looked completely false yesterday. I figured if I had CJ and Hillman I was a lock to have a RB1.

We would probably be better off if CJ does have to sit down for a few weeks so we can get full production from one of them.

 
wdcrob said:
Holy cow ... had no idea people would be flipping out today. Buying cheap today if Ican (dynasty).
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Well if you were in my league I would sell him. Have him in one and he will be gone by weeks end. He looked slow and once again Hillman looked Superior.

He's not going to be a workhorse like I envisioned. At best he splits with Hillman.

 
skinsrule05 said:
The injury thing is definitely a problem. But that can't be forecast so I don't feel bad about it. The part that bothers me is I bought into the hype around here of people saying Kubiak does not do RBBC. That looked completely false yesterday. I figured if I had CJ and Hillman I was a lock to have a RB1.

We would probably be better off if CJ does have to sit down for a few weeks so we can get full production from one of them.
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NFL is a copy cat league. Miami had success with Wildcat so teams put in Wildcat plays. RG3 has a good rookie year everyone is looking for a "running QB".

More and more teams are turning to RBBC, Especially if you have two RBs with similar talent and track record. Unless one just really out produces the next I think Bronocs wil play the hot hand.

 
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