Fantasy Football - Footballguys Forums
This is a sample guest message. Register a free account today to become a member! Once signed in, you'll be able to participate on this site by adding your own topics and posts, as well as connect with other members through your own private inbox!
CJ Anderson (1 Viewer)
- Thread starter JetMaxx
- Start date
VikingFrog
Footballguy
I just can't do it yet. I feel like I should but I can't. He's the type of guy that I'd cut and then he'd turn it around.
I cut Brady last year after his KC game and then watched him dominate on an opponents lineup. Holding for at least two more weeks.
BustedKnuckles
Footballguy
and cut him for what ? who is on the waiver wire that is worth anything? CJ has a better chance of turning it around than anyone left on the wire
Mile High
Footballguy
IKR. He was a rb2 in PPR his last game and people are dropping him for kickers.
Last edited by a moderator:
TartanLion
Footballguy
That's exactly what I'm thinking of doing. Get Coleman and if anything happens to Freeman you've got an insta stud. I'd rather take the lottery ticket with the potentially massive upsideEDIT - and it's been accepted.
Last edited by a moderator:
bicycle_seat_sniffer
Smells like chicken
well he is starting to get dropped, so tempting
LionOfGosforth
Footballguy
Want to drop him so bad. Not much to pick up and there's always the small chance Hillman gets banged up (hardly a stretch) and CJ picks up a bit. Tough one, yes he's been useless but finding it hard to cut him.
FreeBaGeL
Footballguy
stathawk
Footballguy
I cut him 2 weeks ago for Duke Johnson. It's a salary cap league, so I needed 1/3 of my cap back to make up for this mistake by owning the waiver wire ROS.
Cut bait, people. That O-line is a mess and Manning isn't scaring defenses anymore. Even if Hillman goes down, it is very unlikely that CJ makes anything of it at this point.
Of course, I say this and DEN has a bye this week...
Cut bait, people. That O-line is a mess and Manning isn't scaring defenses anymore. Even if Hillman goes down, it is very unlikely that CJ makes anything of it at this point.
Of course, I say this and DEN has a bye this week...
carolina_21
Footballguy
Dropped him in 12 team PPR and it feels good. I own Hillman as well. In this offense and timeshare, the upside is minimal with CJ through the end of the year. Even if Hillman is hurt, he will share with Thompson or someone else for the few rushing attempts they will have. Plus his confidence has got to be shot. If you need the room, drop him....JMO.
Stompin' Tom Connors
Footballguy
Agree -- as such, read this as he was the JStew owner getting an offer from the CJ owner.FreeBaGeL said:
As a CJ owner, I really can't see turning CJ in a trade -- he really hasn't shown any value other than injury potential, so preparing to burn the spot and hold. Dropping him isn't out of the question to cover byes, but (and this may just be hard-to-shake bias from drafting CJ early) can't see Hillman carrying the load solo.
That said, here are backs I would like to acquire right now in a trade for CJ. Let's be honest, you are not going to get anywhere near a bargain (e.g. trading CJ to a panicking Lacy owner) -- what you are realistically going to get are other backs with their own sets of brown spots. But there are RBs I think would provide better value this year than CJ, esp. in PPR, that I would be prone to pull the trigger on with any receptive owners:
McFadden/Riddick -- even if CMike becomes the guy, there will still be a role and receptions in the DAL O.
Ameer Abdullah -- may be just as hard to pry him away from owners who feel they reached for AA in the draft, but I think it's more likely AA rights the ship than CJ
Melvin Gordon -- another back who people seem ready top drop outright, but Brandon Oliver isn't truly a threat and I think 10+ carries and 40 yards is his floor going forward. Which is better than CJs.
Chris Thompson -- in a 3-headed monster, but is utilized and has similar upside if other backs go down
Rashad Jennings -- this is likely a stretch, but if CJ shows any sign of life in his next game, would lever it to get a more dependable back like Jennings
Ryan Matthews -- another guy who is likely going to get used no matter how good DeMarco looks as the scheme fits him better. Maybe doable now with DeMarco's break out game and some panicking owners.
BustedKnuckles
Footballguy
jackdubl
Footballguy
Why does it have to be a RB? I dropped him to pick up Atlanta Def for this week. I'd rather keep the Jets Def than CJ. And he was one of my three keepers. Hey, he came in last year with fresh legs halfway through the season and tore it up, but different story this season. People really shouldn't give him more credit than that.
Interseptopus
Footballguy
Was dropped in my league... PPR. Considering dropping Randle for him. Will probably wait until CM plays
shadyridr
Footballguy
riddick and cobb
BustedKnuckles
Footballguy
Mile High
Footballguy
The difference last week between CJ at 22 and Hillman at 13 was less then 4 points in standard PPR. Feel free to drop someone who has potential to be a top 24 rb on any given week.
Last edited by a moderator:
Bronco Billy
Footballguy
You keep reiterating the same position over and over. I would like to clarify it.
So my understanding of your position is that you should never drop any player who has a one week performance as a top 24 player at that position?
Mile High
Footballguy
RBs who can potential do it aren't just any player. CJ is always going to get touches. Hillman isn't going to get 30 touches a game.
Last edited by a moderator:
dagwood
Footballguy
Agreed. Hillman is just the better back. Not sure why CJ is even being rostered in redraft league. In Dynasty, maybe you hold on but only if its a really deep league.I didn't even watch the game. I just know this to be true. It's why Hillman is only a COP guy. He's not going to run it up the gut and withstand a feature back role.Exactly. Not a surprise CJ started making plays in OT When they got him outside on runs and passesAren't they using each back differently? Hillman hits the edge better than CJ but CJ punches it up the gut better than Hillman.It just so happens that Denver's O-line is better at sealing the edge than making holes.Not disputing that the o-line is a problem that Denver needs to fix if they want win with offense and not just defense.But it's not an excuse for CJ, as Hillman has clearly had success behind that same o-line.
It's the o-line. If they don't improve, the running game isn't going to happen. If they do improve, CJ and Hillman will continue to get the carries, as well they should. Thompson is nothing more than a pipe dream.
I don't think there is any reason to believe -- whether the o-line improves or not -- that Hillman isn't the guy in the backfield. Injury may still change that, but why would Denver give the same ratio of carries to both CJ and Hillman when only Hillman seems to be getting it done?
O-line has EVERYTHING to do with CJ's fall this year.
Hillman is simply the type of back who can run AROUND the jailbreak that swarms through that anemic line on every play.
People tried to warn you not to spend a high pick on CJ. If you did not listen, you only have yourself to blame.
roustabout
Footballguy
CJ played with passion last year and ignited the team. He hasn't been playing with that passion this year and has probably been injured -- but I did see flashes of the old CJ at the end of the Browns game. Enough to pick him up off the waiver wire. Hillman is the better start right now but CJ is a nice flier. The bye could help. I'd give him at least a couple more weeks.
Disclaimer: I'm looking at this through slightly orange-colored glasses.
Disclaimer: I'm looking at this through slightly orange-colored glasses.
kittenmittens
Footballguy
Everyone is so reactionary because we all forget how things can turn on a dime in this game. Just look how quickly CJs value has plummeted from where it was 6 weeks ago.
Anderson doesn't look like himself out there, and I'm guessing it's not a lack of passion but a nagging injury.
The offense isn't clicking and CJ looks bad out there. I can't blame you for cutting bait in redraft but this is a buy in dynasty formats as his value is in the basement right now. We know he has talent and RB situations can change quickly... especially when you have a good defense.
Anderson doesn't look like himself out there, and I'm guessing it's not a lack of passion but a nagging injury.
The offense isn't clicking and CJ looks bad out there. I can't blame you for cutting bait in redraft but this is a buy in dynasty formats as his value is in the basement right now. We know he has talent and RB situations can change quickly... especially when you have a good defense.
Bronco Billy
Footballguy
So if any RB who manages a top 24 week any time during the season is undroppable because they are special, by my count that's 55 players right now, give or take depending upon league rules. That number is sure to grow. I don't think your logic passes the smell test.Mile High said:
Last edited by a moderator:
Mile High
Footballguy
Last edited by a moderator:
LittlePhatty
Footballguy
FreeBaGeL
Footballguy
Yeah I have no idea what Mile High is talking about. I just looked at my waiver wire and there were 13 running backs on the first page alone that have had at least one top 24 week, and about half of them have had multiple weeks in the top 24.
Bishop Sankey
Alfred Blue
Andre Williams
David Johnson
Roy Helu
Charles Sims
Antonio Andrews
Khiry Robinson
Marcel Reese
Chris Polk
Fred Jackson
Dexter McCluster
Chris Thompson
Even if you eliminate the guys that only did it on weeks where the starter ahead of them were injured, that still leaves 10 guys and there are probably more.
Bishop Sankey
Alfred Blue
Andre Williams
David Johnson
Roy Helu
Charles Sims
Antonio Andrews
Khiry Robinson
Marcel Reese
Chris Polk
Fred Jackson
Dexter McCluster
Chris Thompson
Even if you eliminate the guys that only did it on weeks where the starter ahead of them were injured, that still leaves 10 guys and there are probably more.
TZMarkie
Footballguy
CJ Anderson is being dropped in many of my leagues.
I drafted Hillman in the last round of every league, thinking the value may be there or in the event of injury he could be usable.
I am considering picking up Anderson in at least one league, as sort of "protection" in the event of injury.
If Hillman goes down, I think Anderson will still get the majority of the carries......but to be honest I don't know how much I even like the scenario at all. Not to mention the fact they would bring someone else in also I figure.
Looking back at Anderson and his performances, it just looks brutal. Its like hes running on autopilot.
But I do want to point out that many of his runs are stopped quickly, the O Line isn't giving him much help at all.
This could be a scenario, as I mentioned before, where is the Denver passing game starts clicking it would be a much more desirable backfield to have shares in.
One would think Manning and crew eventually picks up the pace.
But from what I have seen, its certainly not a given.
TZM
I drafted Hillman in the last round of every league, thinking the value may be there or in the event of injury he could be usable.
I am considering picking up Anderson in at least one league, as sort of "protection" in the event of injury.
If Hillman goes down, I think Anderson will still get the majority of the carries......but to be honest I don't know how much I even like the scenario at all. Not to mention the fact they would bring someone else in also I figure.
Looking back at Anderson and his performances, it just looks brutal. Its like hes running on autopilot.
But I do want to point out that many of his runs are stopped quickly, the O Line isn't giving him much help at all.
This could be a scenario, as I mentioned before, where is the Denver passing game starts clicking it would be a much more desirable backfield to have shares in.
One would think Manning and crew eventually picks up the pace.
But from what I have seen, its certainly not a given.
TZM
Last edited by a moderator:
SaintsInDome2006
Footballguy
Ok. He has a bye next week, then GB. Value is what he is worth moving forward. What is that?
Mile High
Footballguy
If you have faith In the proven track record of Kubiak and his coaching staff, that they can fix things over the bye week. Could be higher then a bye week kicker.. Unless you think Kubik is just talking out his ### when he says we're going to fix the line and we will run the football. He's won't be benched. Even in a timeshare he will get about half the RB touches. He was the late fourth quarter and O.T. back last game. Had his best game so far when he started getting swing passes and running plays to the outside.
Sarlakticacid
Footballguy
The receptions have been lacking this year compared to last. Didn't he have 7-10 catches in a few games last year
fantasy stud
Footballguy
I just got him off the waiver wire. Glad to join the club. Hopefully, the bye week cured all issues like bad o- line, hillman, and turf toe
thecardiackid
Footballguy
benched for good till he does something (woodhead and diggs in flex 14 team). what a waste.
note, this will be now be the week he has a good game.
note, this will be now be the week he has a good game.
BustedKnuckles
Footballguy
Sarlakticacid
Footballguy
What about the Oline health?
Has there been a situation where Kubes has sorted out Oline woes mid season?
Has there been a situation where Kubes has sorted out Oline woes mid season?
SameSongNDance
Footballguy
He was dropped last week in my 12 team PPR and going into this week's WW I was highly debating throwing down a large % of my FAAB to acquire him as I need RB help quite badly.
I went back and watched every single one of his snaps from the past 3 weeks. I came to the conclusion, as many of you have, that Peyton hasn't been able to keep defenses honest and the OL has been playing like crap (there were times where their effort was downright laughable). With all that said, CJ has looked like a shell of his former self. I know this because I went back and watched a large majority of his snaps from last year (directly after watching his 2015 snaps) and he was a completely different player. He broke arms tackles with ease and exhibited great lateral agility on his way to a lot of his 20+ yard runs. His effort vs. OAK last year specifically showcased just how good he was down the stretch. He exhibited all the makings of an elite RB and what I've seen from him this year is simply incomprehensible even given all the negative variables affecting him.
This also leads me to my final point. All of the people saying "I saw this coming from a mile away." and etc. are full of ####. No one could have predicted the guy we saw run in 2014 would look like Ray Rice circa 2013. After rewatching his 2014 tape I do not fault a single person for drafting him this year.
Oh yeah, I bid 15.3% of my budget on him and lost to a guy who spent 20.9%. Even with Hillman likely usurping lead back duties, I still project him to see a lot of 3rd down work and see a decent amount of receptions moving forward. Something like 12-15 touches moving forward, 3-5 of them being receptions is obviously plausible and will still make him flex worthy in the correct match-up.
I went back and watched every single one of his snaps from the past 3 weeks. I came to the conclusion, as many of you have, that Peyton hasn't been able to keep defenses honest and the OL has been playing like crap (there were times where their effort was downright laughable). With all that said, CJ has looked like a shell of his former self. I know this because I went back and watched a large majority of his snaps from last year (directly after watching his 2015 snaps) and he was a completely different player. He broke arms tackles with ease and exhibited great lateral agility on his way to a lot of his 20+ yard runs. His effort vs. OAK last year specifically showcased just how good he was down the stretch. He exhibited all the makings of an elite RB and what I've seen from him this year is simply incomprehensible even given all the negative variables affecting him.
This also leads me to my final point. All of the people saying "I saw this coming from a mile away." and etc. are full of ####. No one could have predicted the guy we saw run in 2014 would look like Ray Rice circa 2013. After rewatching his 2014 tape I do not fault a single person for drafting him this year.
Oh yeah, I bid 15.3% of my budget on him and lost to a guy who spent 20.9%. Even with Hillman likely usurping lead back duties, I still project him to see a lot of 3rd down work and see a decent amount of receptions moving forward. Something like 12-15 touches moving forward, 3-5 of them being receptions is obviously plausible and will still make him flex worthy in the correct match-up.
addicted2ff
Footballguy
Agreed. Maybe some of it had to do with "fresh legs" last year, or the toe this year, or just a mental/confidence issue. Could be due to one of those reasons or could be some combination of them. Either way he looks like a completely different back than he did last year.
