CJ Anderson (3 Viewers)

[LittlePhatty]

Even if CJ is 100% now, that doesn't solve the Peyton Problem.

If Manning keeps forgetting to eat his spinach Sunday morning, defenses can continue stuffing their ground game.

 

[Zyphros]

Just got dropped in 10 team redraft and I'm RB needy, do I go for it?

 

[rjv]

Even if CJ is 100% now, that doesn't solve the Peyton Problem.

If Manning keeps forgetting to eat his spinach Sunday morning, defenses can continue stuffing their ground game.

This is the key issue. Manning is dreadful. Every defense is stacking the line, and penetrating the porous,"Swiss cheese" like online. Teams know he can't throw the rock like he used to, and CJ, Hillman or anyone else that they would put in cannot produce when they are getting hit 2-3 yards behind the line of scrimmage.

 

[rjv]

Just got dropped in 10 team redraft and I'm RB needy, do I go for it?

10 team leave on wire, 12 team pick up and stash any 14+ teams grab him because he is equal to just a warm body that sometimes carries the ball.

 

[ATB]

Regardless of Manning's weak arm and the terrible O-line, CJ doesn't pass the eye test. Hillman breaks tackles that CJ succumbs to.

Only explanation in his drop off: INJURY.

Whether the toe or something else undisclosed, I'm just assuming CJ and the staff have known of a lingering injury since preseason and have been hoping to get him healthy.

 

[⚡DEADHEAD⚡]

Regardless of Manning's weak arm and the terrible O-line, CJ doesn't pass the eye test. Hillman breaks tackles that CJ succumbs to.

Only explanation in his drop off: INJURY.

Whether the toe or something else undisclosed, I'm just assuming CJ and the staff have known of a lingering injury since preseason and have been hoping to get him healthy.

CJ could just as easily be the latest version of Bryce Brown. A few good games to open a career, then nothing.

 

[skinsrule05]

Even if CJ is 100% now, that doesn't solve the Peyton Problem.

If Manning keeps forgetting to eat his spinach Sunday morning, defenses can continue stuffing their ground game.

This is the key issue. Manning is dreadful. Every defense is stacking the line, and penetrating the porous,"Swiss cheese" like online. Teams know he can't throw the rock like he used to, and CJ, Hillman or anyone else that they would put in cannot produce when they are getting hit 2-3 yards behind the line of scrimmage.

This may be the case but explain why Hillman has been able to run under the same conditions? He has gone over 100 in 2 of the last 3.

 

[rick6668]

Even if CJ is 100% now, that doesn't solve the Peyton Problem.

If Manning keeps forgetting to eat his spinach Sunday morning, defenses can continue stuffing their ground game.

This is the key issue. Manning is dreadful. Every defense is stacking the line, and penetrating the porous,"Swiss cheese" like online. Teams know he can't throw the rock like he used to, and CJ, Hillman or anyone else that they would put in cannot produce when they are getting hit 2-3 yards behind the line of scrimmage.

This may be the case but explain why Hillman has been able to run under the same conditions? He has gone over 100 in 2 of the last 3.

Hillman had a 72 yard run for a TD in week 4. He was 10 for 31 otherwise. CJ was 11 for 43

By no means did he not earn that 72 yards and they definitely do count, but one long TD like that throws off the averages dramatically.

Week 6 was a different story, he had carries of 26, 15 and 10 to go 20 for 111 while CJ was 13 for 41.

He looked better Week 6.

 

[Kwai Chang Caine]

Not that anyone cares but I'm pondering CJ over Latavious this week. Sigh.......

 

[ImTheScientist]

Hillman had a 72 yard run for a TD in week 4. He was 10 for 31 otherwise. CJ was 11 for 43

By no means did he not earn that 72 yards and they definitely do count, but one long TD like that throws off the averages dramatically.

Week 6 was a different story, he had carries of 26, 15 and 10 to go 20 for 111 while CJ was 13 for 41.

He looked better Week 6.

Short runs also skew stats. Are you going to remove those?

If we are picking/choosing which data to keep Im only keeping his 1 run for 72 yards and a TD.

 

[skinsrule05]

Even if CJ is 100% now, that doesn't solve the Peyton Problem.

If Manning keeps forgetting to eat his spinach Sunday morning, defenses can continue stuffing their ground game.

This is the key issue. Manning is dreadful. Every defense is stacking the line, and penetrating the porous,"Swiss cheese" like online. Teams know he can't throw the rock like he used to, and CJ, Hillman or anyone else that they would put in cannot produce when they are getting hit 2-3 yards behind the line of scrimmage.

This may be the case but explain why Hillman has been able to run under the same conditions? He has gone over 100 in 2 of the last 3.

Hillman had a 72 yard run for a TD in week 4. He was 10 for 31 otherwise. CJ was 11 for 43

By no means did he not earn that 72 yards and they definitely do count, but one long TD like that throws off the averages dramatically.

Week 6 was a different story, he had carries of 26, 15 and 10 to go 20 for 111 while CJ was 13 for 41.

He looked better Week 6.

You should take another look at the season stats. In 5 of the 6 weeks Hillman's YPC was at least 1 yd more then CJ. There was week 3 when CJ beat him 2.3 to 1.9. Neither have been world beaters but you can't blame it entirely on the line/Manning when one guy has been consistently better.

 

[ATB]

Healthy Hillman > Injured CJ

Healthy CJ > Healthy Hillman

 

[iamkoza]

Healthy Hillman > Injured CJ

Healthy CJ > Healthy Hillman

but healthy cj is not >>>>> healthy hillman thus this RBBC is not going anywhere

 

[ATB]

Healthy Hillman > Injured CJ

Healthy CJ > Healthy Hillman

but healthy cj is not >>>>> healthy hillman thus this RBBC is not going anywhere

Healthy CJ will vulch any goal line carries and ultimately is a 3 down back.

 

[sbonomo]

i finally dropped him and fell much better. He was on my bench tempting me to start him every week. Someone else can have that problem. Thankfully, I was able to pick up West (85% of my FA $$ to get him) so that turd can continue to put up 40 yds with 1 rec for someone else. Until the bronco's figure it out he has no value IMO. Now i need to figure out how to fix my Jimmy Graham trainwreck.

 

[BustedKnuckles]

gotta wait n see how he and hillman look coming out of the bye before making any rash decisions

 

[Sarlakticacid]

And the Oline and o scheme

 

[Sarlakticacid]

And the Oline and o scheme

 

[Koya]

gotta wait n see how he and hillman look coming out of the bye before making any rash decisions

I think that train left the station the week before the bye. I know, since I took a chance and traded for CJ in a league. Let's not go there, not my brightest moment.

Now, Hillman can fumble, get hurt, wear down, or some combo thereof, and then CJ, if healthier, can maybe have like 3 great games, get hyped next year, drafted by some in the top 10 and there we go.

 

[BustedKnuckles]

The Packers have been a bit more vulnerable on the ground, ranking 17th in run-defense DVOA while permitting 4.23 yards per carry to running backs. Ronnie Hillmanseemed to take control of Denver's lead back job before the bye, out-touching C.J. Anderson 23 to 17 in Week 6 against the Browns, out-gaining Anderson 115 to 66, and out-snapping him 54% to 46%. A two-way committee remains likely against the Packers, but Hillman has the leg up as an RB2/flex play. Averaging 2.69 yards per carry on the year, Anderson is at best an RB3.

 

[ROYALWITCHEESE]

Played hurt huh?

Rule #76: No excuses. Play like a champion.

 

[iamkoza]

Healthy Hillman > Injured CJ

Healthy CJ > Healthy Hillman

but healthy cj is not >>>>> healthy hillman thus this RBBC is not going anywhere

Healthy CJ will vulch any goal line carries and ultimately is a 3 down back.

Generally speaking they had been alternating drives not plays

 

[Buffaloes]

Healthy Hillman > Injured CJ

Healthy CJ > Healthy Hillman

but healthy cj is not >>>>> healthy hillman thus this RBBC is not going anywhere

Healthy CJ will vulch any goal line carries and ultimately is a 3 down back.

Hillman has stayed in at the GL plenty this year and has played 3 downs on the drives he's been given as well.

Hillman fits really well in this running scheme as well. Looks like Forsett out there.

Maybe CJ eventually gets some looks at the stripe, but thus far Hillman has had his there

 

[avina1]

Dropped him for Stefon Diggs. Only thing is I need good RBs, but screw CJA lol

 

[SameSongNDance]

CJA - 25 RZ snaps, 11 RZ rush attempts, 1 RZ target, 3 GL snaps, 2 GL rush attempts

Hillman - 17 RZ snaps, 7 RZ rush attempts (1 TD), 2 RZ targets, 8 GL snaps, 4 GL rush attempts (1 TD)

I don't think CJA has any real grasp on the RZ/GL role.

Really, the one saving grace in this mess is that he's the better pass protector/catcher. For some reason, Hillman can't catch.

 

[Faust]

C.J. Anderson was more banged up than originally thought earlier in season

 

[kOOk]

This is like the Lacy thread. Two bumbling backs who are aging in dog years. While everyone and their mother tries to find excuses.

 

[TZMarkie]

I may have mentioned it in this or the Hillman thread, but last season I thought CJA was good, just not quite the second coming many thought he was.

I also was a "believer" in the scheme and team around him, and people still had to think about Peyton Manning.

Over the offseason, I went back and watched a number of games.

I slowly thought that Hillman was the one guy to try and acquire.

REASON - Hillman was essentially free of charge, going undrafted in most leagues. I actually targeted him in every single league, acquiring him in round 15 everywhere. He is the one "lottery ticket" guy (that you could get very cheap) that had the biggest potential payoff in my opinion.

Contrast that to having to spend a late round 1 pick, or round 2 pick on CJA. No thanks.

In most backfields, you are an injury away from "decent" production at RB, including the Manning backfields.

What I didn't foresee, is the apparent rapid decline of Peyton Manning.

Coming out of the bye, one of two or three things is likely to happen.

That is Hillman essentially stays the "lead" guy, similar to now..... which is seemingly just getting a bigger share of the work, not truly getting it all.

Hillman may also be better than he currently is, if Manning and crew get to firing on all cylinders again. Then he might be the one to own.

CJA could come storming back, take the bull by the horns and return to near last year's numbers, but that seems unlikely, at least from what we have seen thus far.

As of now, CJA is worth very little, and Hillman is essentially a low end RB2 ish guy, who looks like he could be a great spot start in the right match up.

As a Hillman owner, I am actively trying to acquire CJA where I can, he has been on the wire in one of my leagues and I snatched him up. He is right beside Hillman on my bench.

I believe in the early part of the week, I will try and trade a bench guy for CJA in another league also. I know this guy (like many owners) is disgruntled and will sell him for little or nothing.

As long as nothing crazy happens this weekend, he should still be picked up on the cheap.

The last few years, someone has emerged in this backfield, and given decent production down the stretch.

I feel like if I can have my hands on both Hillman and CJA both, as long as the offense turns around a little bit, and I believe it should..... at some point you will have some solid production here.

An injury to either one should make it a much more attractive scenario to boot.

TZM

 

[rick6668]

Hillman had a 72 yard run for a TD in week 4. He was 10 for 31 otherwise. CJ was 11 for 43

By no means did he not earn that 72 yards and they definitely do count, but one long TD like that throws off the averages dramatically.

Week 6 was a different story, he had carries of 26, 15 and 10 to go 20 for 111 while CJ was 13 for 41.

He looked better Week 6.

Short runs also skew stats. Are you going to remove those?

If we are picking/choosing which data to keep Im only keeping his 1 run for 72 yards and a TD.

Cool go ahead. I wasn't picking/choosing. I even explained they do count.

I was answering the question: "explain why Hillman has been able to run under the same conditions? He has gone over 100 in 2 of the last 3."

The 72 yard run would help explain why others are saying the line is the key issue.

 

[Funkley]

Dropped Foster for him in one league.......feels like lighting a fart on fire but what the hell, right? Maybe he has a nice second half.

 

[ATB]

Regardless of Manning's weak arm and the terrible O-line, CJ doesn't pass the eye test. Hillman breaks tackles that CJ succumbs to.

Only explanation in his drop off: INJURY.

Whether the toe or something else undisclosed, I'm just assuming CJ and the staff have known of a lingering injury since preseason and have been hoping to get him healthy.

C.J. Anderson was more banged up than originally thought earlier in season

Told you so...

 

[thecardiackid]

Dropped Foster for him in one league.......feels like lighting a fart on fire but what the hell, right? Maybe he has a nice second half.

as a guy w/ him buried on the bench, after somehow managing to go 5-2 despite him and burning 12/14 in the first, i really hope "you're due".

barely...

holding...

on......

SNF vs. GB. game of the week. watcha got CJ?

 

[Raider Nation]

Celebrates Hillman's TD just to rub our nose in #####.

So useless.

 

[Raider Nation]

That was Hillman's FIRST TD, for the record.

 

[ATB]

That was Hillman's FIRST TD, for the record.

And his SECOND haha. FML.

 

[bicycle_seat_sniffer]

That was Hillman's FIRST TD, for the record.

fort he night? the season? his career? Im shuked?

 

[Raider Nation]

That was Hillman's FIRST TD, for the record.

fort he night? the season? his career? Im shuked?

The picture I posted was of his first TD tonight. Two seconds after I posted it, he scored another one.

Presumably, Anderson fetched him some Gatorade after that score.

 

[Insein]

Anderson had his longest run of the year just now.

 

[VikingFrog]

Anderson had his longest run of the year just now.

He's looking good out there. Unfortunately on a night where Hillman looks even better.

But he's looking good enough to continue to get carries.

 

[Deamon]

It's happening.

 

[ATB]

It was the line and Manning's arm. Both better tonight and every RB looks better.

 

[QuizGuy66]

-QG

 

[VikingFrog]

-QG

This is what happens when you start guys without confidence!

Maybe he's finally healthy.

 

[Stompin' Tom Connors]

Absolutely without question going to try and sell high after tonight.

 

[QuizGuy66]

-QG

This is what happens when you start guys without confidence!

Maybe he's finally healthy.

lol well to be honest I have no choice as the one team I have him on is my FBG contest entry

-QG

 

[dkp993]

Hate to even type this as it gives me hope but..... He looked much quicker tonight. Maybe the bye week helped the injuries? 100+ yards and a TD. Ran hard.

 

[Raider Nation]

Showing glimpses = good. Still clearly behind Hillman = not good.

 

[thecardiackid]

benched for good till he does something (woodhead and diggs in flex 14 team). what a waste.

note, this will be now be the week he has a good game.

and at the last minute you`ll re-insert him into your line up

nope, but it wasn't a factor.

nice to see CJ have a good night, even in a timeshare (if we CJA owners can say that yet without laughing).

denver's D is sick, and peyton looked improved after the bye. tho, tough to judge w/ GB's DB injuries tonight.

 

[shadyridr]

Why does the backup always look better?

 

[Deamon]

Why does the backup always look better?

Cause they're fresh, motivated, come in for less carries and rip off a couple good runs and look more "impressive' then the lead back who is making some runs for very short yardage or losses.