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Bayhawks said:
satch said:
This is the same coach who was OC in 2004 when Quentin Griffen was the top ADP RB in DEN and in 2005 when Tatum Bell was the top ADP RB in DEN, right? He's the same coach who was OC when Terrell Davis was an afterthought entering the 1995 preseason, right? The same guy who was HC in HOU in 2009 when Steve Slaton was being drafted as a top 10 FF RB and a guy named Arian Foster was added to the roster as an UDFA?

Just checking...

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Yes, to answer your question this is the same coach who coached those RBs that were overhyped on fantasy football forums in years past. Turns out the coach knows way more than us when it comes to RB evaluation. Probably best to forego the fantasy forum speculation and trust the coach's talent evaluation instead, right? That being the case, things are looking great for CJ Anderson, because Gary Kubiak himself is really impressed by Anderdon, not just us idiots on fantasy forums pretending to be football talent scouts.
Like when he says that Ball has had a great off-season, Hillman has had a really good off-season, but only mentions that Anderson has "worked extremely hard.....deserves the OPPORTUNITY based off of last year, but is being pushed very hard?" The coach, whose talent evalutation you say we should trust singles out Ball as having a "great" off-season, Hillman as having a "really good" off-season, and Anderson as being a hard worker who deserves the CHANCE to be the #1 RB but who is being "pushed very hard."

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2015/06/16/broncos-pleased-with-what-theyve-seen-from-c-j-anderson-so-far/
Exactly. Anderson's being pushed by Ball, which means Anderson is the starter, ahead of Ball.
Actually, Anderson is getting a chance to be the starter, and is working hard, but Ball has been great this offseason, if you want to accurately convey the context of the quote.
Well, if we're trying to be accurate, Kubiak said Anderson deserves the opportunity to be the starter and is working extremely hard. Ball has had a great offseason, and Hillman a really good offseason.You pretend to want to convey Kubiaks message accurately then go on to change "Anderson deserves the opportunity" to "Anderson's getting a chance". You also imply that in the same sentence Kubiak said "But Ball has been great". In reality Kubiak said separately, with no but, and not in direct reference to Anderson's opportunity to start, "Ball has had a great offseason". Using your definition of conveying the message accurately, you could've said "Anderson is getting a chance to be the starter, and is working hard, but Hillman has looked really good." You just inserted Ball instead of Hillman because you want it to hype Ball.

 
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Bayhawks said:
satch said:
This is the same coach who was OC in 2004 when Quentin Griffen was the top ADP RB in DEN and in 2005 when Tatum Bell was the top ADP RB in DEN, right? He's the same coach who was OC when Terrell Davis was an afterthought entering the 1995 preseason, right? The same guy who was HC in HOU in 2009 when Steve Slaton was being drafted as a top 10 FF RB and a guy named Arian Foster was added to the roster as an UDFA?

Just checking...

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Yes, to answer your question this is the same coach who coached those RBs that were overhyped on fantasy football forums in years past. Turns out the coach knows way more than us when it comes to RB evaluation. Probably best to forego the fantasy forum speculation and trust the coach's talent evaluation instead, right? That being the case, things are looking great for CJ Anderson, because Gary Kubiak himself is really impressed by Anderdon, not just us idiots on fantasy forums pretending to be football talent scouts.
Like when he says that Ball has had a great off-season, Hillman has had a really good off-season, but only mentions that Anderson has "worked extremely hard.....deserves the OPPORTUNITY based off of last year, but is being pushed very hard?" The coach, whose talent evalutation you say we should trust singles out Ball as having a "great" off-season, Hillman as having a "really good" off-season, and Anderson as being a hard worker who deserves the CHANCE to be the #1 RB but who is being "pushed very hard."

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2015/06/16/broncos-pleased-with-what-theyve-seen-from-c-j-anderson-so-far/
Exactly. Anderson's being pushed by Ball, which means Anderson is the starter, ahead of Ball.
Actually, Anderson is getting a chance to be the starter, and is working hard, but Ball has been great this offseason, if you want to accurately convey the context of the quote.
Well, if we're trying to be accurate, Kubiak said Anderson deserves the opportunity to be the starter and is working extremely hard. Ball has had a great offseason, and Hillman a really good offseason.You pretend to want to convey Kubiaks message accurately then go on to change "Anderson deserves the opportunity" to "Anderson's getting a chance". You also imply that in the same sentence Kubiak said "But Ball has been great". In reality Kubiak said separately, with no but, and not in direct reference to Anderson's opportunity to start, "Ball has had a great offseason". Using your definition of conveying the message accurately, you could've said "Anderson is getting a chance to be the starter, and is working hard, but Hillman has looked really good." You just inserted Ball instead of Hillman because you want it to hype Ball.
Opportunity=Chance; they are synonyms. HTH.You are trying to spin this (as you did with earlier info) as some kind of endorsement or praise of Anderson; it isn't. It's essentially what I've been saying: Anderson is the #1 RB now, but he doesn't have as much security as the top RBs. Kubiak says he deserves the chance to be the starter, but he's being pushed hard by Ball and Hillman. You want to wear blinders, shove yur head in the sand, and cry "Anderson is going to be a stud, no ifs, ands, or buts," and claim to be some expert at interpreting "coach speak," but it looks like your just being a typical FF owner, hyping a guys he owns & ignoring ANY information that you don't like reading/hearing.

 
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Guys, barring injury, Anderson is the RB to own in DEN. This situation is not as complex as some of you are making it out to be. The Ball/Hillman supporters seem to be the folks who are 'spinning' the news. Anderson looked great last season, Peyton is on record saying as much and comparing him to a 12 year vet in terms of football IQ, and Kubiak has annointed the starter. There's really no arguing or guessing to be done unless something drastically changes. Sometimes FF can be challenging to predict but this is not one of those situations no matter how bad some of you want it to be.

 
What odds are you giving that Anderson's NOT the starting RB Week 1? Assume he and Ball are both healthy.
That he's NOT the starter? Maybe 5%, ..........maybe.I've said numerous times, it's Anderson's job. I don't think his hold on the job is as secure as guys like Bell, Foster, Lacy, etc. his HC has nothing invested in him, and Kubiak has never really committed to him. He's the starter for OTAs, he deserves an opportunity to start but he's being pushed hard, etc. One hot streak, under a different HC, doesn't guarantee a permanent hold on the job, and Kubiaks comments have suggested that, as well.

 
Guys, barring injury, Anderson is the RB to own in DEN. This situation is not as complex as some of you are making it out to be. The Ball/Hillman supporters seem to be the folks who are 'spinning' the news. Anderson looked great last season, Peyton is on record saying as much and comparing him to a 12 year vet in terms of football IQ, and Kubiak has annointed the starter. There's really no arguing or guessing to be done unless something drastically changes. Sometimes FF can be challenging to predict but this is not one of those situations no matter how bad some of you want it to be.
Again, Kubiak has continually hedged in anointing him the starter. He said he will be the #1 at OTAs (where he shared 1st team reps, I believe), now he says he deserves an opportunity to be the starter, but he's being pushed hard. If you could find a quote from Kubiak that explicitly says "Anderson is the starter, come hell or high water, case closed," this wouldn't be a question. But that quote doesn't exist, because Kubiak never came close to "anointing him the starter." Anderson has 1st shot (& best shot) at the job, but the idea that he's locked in as a stud RB is premature, IMO.

 
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Bayhawks said:
satch said:
This is the same coach who was OC in 2004 when Quentin Griffen was the top ADP RB in DEN and in 2005 when Tatum Bell was the top ADP RB in DEN, right? He's the same coach who was OC when Terrell Davis was an afterthought entering the 1995 preseason, right? The same guy who was HC in HOU in 2009 when Steve Slaton was being drafted as a top 10 FF RB and a guy named Arian Foster was added to the roster as an UDFA?

Just checking...

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Yes, to answer your question this is the same coach who coached those RBs that were overhyped on fantasy football forums in years past. Turns out the coach knows way more than us when it comes to RB evaluation. Probably best to forego the fantasy forum speculation and trust the coach's talent evaluation instead, right? That being the case, things are looking great for CJ Anderson, because Gary Kubiak himself is really impressed by Anderdon, not just us idiots on fantasy forums pretending to be football talent scouts.
Like when he says that Ball has had a great off-season, Hillman has had a really good off-season, but only mentions that Anderson has "worked extremely hard.....deserves the OPPORTUNITY based off of last year, but is being pushed very hard?" The coach, whose talent evalutation you say we should trust singles out Ball as having a "great" off-season, Hillman as having a "really good" off-season, and Anderson as being a hard worker who deserves the CHANCE to be the #1 RB but who is being "pushed very hard."

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2015/06/16/broncos-pleased-with-what-theyve-seen-from-c-j-anderson-so-far/
Exactly. Anderson's being pushed by Ball, which means Anderson is the starter, ahead of Ball.
Actually, Anderson is getting a chance to be the starter, and is working hard, but Ball has been great this offseason, if you want to accurately convey the context of the quote.
Well, if we're trying to be accurate, Kubiak said Anderson deserves the opportunity to be the starter and is working extremely hard. Ball has had a great offseason, and Hillman a really good offseason.You pretend to want to convey Kubiaks message accurately then go on to change "Anderson deserves the opportunity" to "Anderson's getting a chance". You also imply that in the same sentence Kubiak said "But Ball has been great". In reality Kubiak said separately, with no but, and not in direct reference to Anderson's opportunity to start, "Ball has had a great offseason". Using your definition of conveying the message accurately, you could've said "Anderson is getting a chance to be the starter, and is working hard, but Hillman has looked really good." You just inserted Ball instead of Hillman because you want it to hype Ball.
Opportunity=Chance; they are synonyms. HTH.You are trying to spin this (as you did with earlier info) as some kind of endorsement or praise of Anderson; it isn't. It's essentially what I've been saying: Anderson is the #1 RB now, but he doesn't have as much security as the top RBs. Kubiak says he deserves the chance to be the starter, but he's being pushed hard by Ball and Hillman. You want to wear blinders, shove yur head in the sand, and cry "Anderson is going to be a stud, no ifs, ands, or buts," and claim to be some expert at interpreting "coach speak," but it looks like your just being a typical FF owner, hyping a guys he owns & ignoring ANY information that you don't like reading/hearing.
Actually, I explained in detail above precisely how YOU are the one doing the spinning here. YOU are altering the words, phrases, and context of Kubiak's comments, not me. I don't need to spin anything because things are looking pretty darn good for CJ Anderson right now. You're obviously trying to find any glimpse of hope, any inkling of an indication that Anderson is losing the starting job to Ball. So instead of taking the coaches word at face value, you spin them in a way that gives the impression you want it to give. Go back and read it again. All I did was point out and correct YOUR spin by quoting what Kubiak actually said. I have no need to spin anything. I am a CJ Anderson dynasty owner. I'm psyched that Kubiak is on record saying the starting job is his to lose. Why would I need to spin that? I'm fully aware that Ball is motivated and is having a great offseason. So is Anderson by all accounts. That's fine by me. I hope Ball is a very good RB this year because I think it pushes Anderson to be even better, and helps the team which helps Anderson. I have no idea how the carries will be divided. I do know Kubiak has mentioned wanting a workhorse and a three down back. He has also mentioned that Anderson possesses the qualities to be that guy. Kubiak said that. I don't have to spin it. The only people that need to spin anything right now are Montee Ball owners such as yourself, trying to convince yourself that Ball is overtaking Anderson. Maybe Ball will steal the job from Anderson. I fully accept that as a possibility. But there's just no evidence of that at this point, and I don't expect that to happen. I don't know why you keep going back to this thing about Anderson's job security vs that of other RBs around the league. If he plays like he did last year I imagine his job will be very secure. If he struggles and Ball outplays him than his job will be much less secure. I'm fine with that because I don't expect Anderson to struggle. Again, what exactly do I as an Anderson owner need to spin? Everything has been positive for Anderson lately. Kubiak's comments, Mannings comments, even Ball's comments. What you're doing is taking any positive comment about Ball and spinning it as a negative about Anderson. The fact is, by all accounts Anderson and Ball both look good. If they both continue on the path they're on, based on Kubiak's comments so far we can only assume Anderson will enter the season as the #1 RB in Denver and should be in line for a great season. That doesn't mean your boy Montee Ball isn't a good player, it just means there's a better player in his way right now. If Anderson does hold onto the starting job I'm sure Ball will be used as well. I'm not going to try and predict precisely how many carries he'll get. All I can do is assume that based on Kubiaks comments about wanting a workhorse 3 down type back, the starting RB will get significantly more work than the #2 RB(or 1B if it makes you feel better).

You're coming across like a spiteful, envious Montee Ball owner getting her panties in a bunch because CJ Anderson owners are confident in his ability and situation.

 
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What odds are you giving that Anderson's NOT the starting RB Week 1? Assume he and Ball are both healthy.
That he's NOT the starter? Maybe 5%, ..........maybe.I've said numerous times, it's Anderson's job. I don't think his hold on the job is as secure as guys like Bell, Foster, Lacy, etc. his HC has nothing invested in him, and Kubiak has never really committed to him. He's the starter for OTAs, he deserves an opportunity to start but he's being pushed hard, etc. One hot streak, under a different HC, doesn't guarantee a permanent hold on the job, and Kubiaks comments have suggested that, as well.
95% chance to start? Not sure what you're arguing about then.

The only place we remotely differ is that I don't believe it was a "hot streak". IMO it was "a good back getting an opportunity".

 
The Guys on the Audible have been telling us for years that Anderson was the best back on the roster. When he finally got his chance to start, he performed extremely well over half a season. I'm no expert, but combining those two data points has lead me to invest in Anderson at his current price and gives me a fair level of confidence that he will continue to succeed going forward.

 
The Guys on the Audible have been telling us for years that Anderson was the best back on the roster. When he finally got his chance to start, he performed extremely well over half a season. I'm no expert, but combining those two data points has lead me to invest in Anderson at his current price and gives me a fair level of confidence that he will continue to succeed going forward.
Might want to temper your confidence in Anderson, because according to Bayhawks there's only a 95% chance Anderson keeps the starting job.
 
I was offered CJ Anderson for Kevin White but I couldn't pull the trigger. There is something about CJ Anderson that just screams temporary. I don't know what it is. And I am a Broncos fan! I get that CJ leads the race. That much is clear. But until I know without question that he will be the featured back and NOT have to look over his shoulder if he has a bad streak, then I am not completely sold.

 
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wdcrob said:
Bayhawks said:
wdcrob said:
What odds are you giving that Anderson's NOT the starting RB Week 1? Assume he and Ball are both healthy.
That he's NOT the starter? Maybe 5%, ..........maybe.I've said numerous times, it's Anderson's job. I don't think his hold on the job is as secure as guys like Bell, Foster, Lacy, etc. his HC has nothing invested in him, and Kubiak has never really committed to him. He's the starter for OTAs, he deserves an opportunity to start but he's being pushed hard, etc. One hot streak, under a different HC, doesn't guarantee a permanent hold on the job, and Kubiaks comments have suggested that, as well.
95% chance to start? Not sure what you're arguing about then.

The only place we remotely differ is that I don't believe it was a "hot streak". IMO it was "a good back getting an opportunity".
I'm not arguing anything. I've said that Anderson's hold on the job isn't as firm as the top RBs, that Kubiak has no investment in him, he has a very small sample size of success, and that IF Ball gets a chane to play and does well, Anderson isn't guaranteed anything. Satch go his panties in a wad because anyone dares question the greatness of CJ Anderson.
 
satch said:
This is the same coach who was OC in 2004 when Quentin Griffen was the top ADP RB in DEN and in 2005 when Tatum Bell was the top ADP RB in DEN, right? He's the same coach who was OC when Terrell Davis was an afterthought entering the 1995 preseason, right? The same guy who was HC in HOU in 2009 when Steve Slaton was being drafted as a top 10 FF RB and a guy named Arian Foster was added to the roster as an UDFA?

Just checking...

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Yes, to answer your question this is the same coach who coached those RBs that were overhyped on fantasy football forums in years past. Turns out the coach knows way more than us when it comes to RB evaluation. Probably best to forego the fantasy forum speculation and trust the coach's talent evaluation instead, right? That being the case, things are looking great for CJ Anderson, because Gary Kubiak himself is really impressed by Anderdon, not just us idiots on fantasy forums pretending to be football talent scouts.
Like when he says that Ball has had a great off-season, Hillman has had a really good off-season, but only mentions that Anderson has "worked extremely hard.....deserves the OPPORTUNITY based off of last year, but is being pushed very hard?" The coach, whose talent evalutation you say we should trust singles out Ball as having a "great" off-season, Hillman as having a "really good" off-season, and Anderson as being a hard worker who deserves the CHANCE to be the #1 RB but who is being "pushed very hard."

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2015/06/16/broncos-pleased-with-what-theyve-seen-from-c-j-anderson-so-far/
Exactly. Anderson's being pushed by Ball, which means Anderson is the starter, ahead of Ball.
Actually, Anderson is getting a chance to be the starter, and is working hard, but Ball has been great this offseason, if you want to accurately convey the context of the quote.
Well, if we're trying to be accurate, Kubiak said Anderson deserves the opportunity to be the starter and is working extremely hard. Ball has had a great offseason, and Hillman a really good offseason.You pretend to want to convey Kubiaks message accurately then go on to change "Anderson deserves the opportunity" to "Anderson's getting a chance". You also imply that in the same sentence Kubiak said "But Ball has been great". In reality Kubiak said separately, with no but, and not in direct reference to Anderson's opportunity to start, "Ball has had a great offseason". Using your definition of conveying the message accurately, you could've said "Anderson is getting a chance to be the starter, and is working hard, but Hillman has looked really good." You just inserted Ball instead of Hillman because you want it to hype Ball.
Opportunity=Chance; they are synonyms. HTH.You are trying to spin this (as you did with earlier info) as some kind of endorsement or praise of Anderson; it isn't. It's essentially what I've been saying: Anderson is the #1 RB now, but he doesn't have as much security as the top RBs. Kubiak says he deserves the chance to be the starter, but he's being pushed hard by Ball and Hillman. You want to wear blinders, shove yur head in the sand, and cry "Anderson is going to be a stud, no ifs, ands, or buts," and claim to be some expert at interpreting "coach speak," but it looks like your just being a typical FF owner, hyping a guys he owns & ignoring ANY information that you don't like reading/hearing.
Actually, I explained in detail above precisely how YOU are the one doing the spinning here. YOU are altering the words, phrases, and context of Kubiak's comments, not me. I don't need to spin anything because things are looking pretty darn good for CJ Anderson right now. You're obviously trying to find any glimpse of hope, any inkling of an indication that Anderson is losing the starting job to Ball. So instead of taking the coaches word at face value, you spin them in a way that gives the impression you want it to give. Go back and read it again. All I did was point out and correct YOUR spin by quoting what Kubiak actually said. I have no need to spin anything. I am a CJ Anderson dynasty owner. I'm psyched that Kubiak is on record saying the starting job is his to lose. Why would I need to spin that? I'm fully aware that Ball is motivated and is having a great offseason. So is Anderson by all accounts. That's fine by me. I hope Ball is a very good RB this year because I think it pushes Anderson to be even better, and helps the team which helps Anderson. I have no idea how the carries will be divided. I do know Kubiak has mentioned wanting a workhorse and a three down back. He has also mentioned that Anderson possesses the qualities to be that guy. Kubiak said that. I don't have to spin it. The only people that need to spin anything right now are Montee Ball owners such as yourself, trying to convince yourself that Ball is overtaking Anderson. Maybe Ball will steal the job from Anderson. I fully accept that as a possibility. But there's just no evidence of that at this point, and I don't expect that to happen. I don't know why you keep going back to this thing about Anderson's job security vs that of other RBs around the league. If he plays like he did last year I imagine his job will be very secure. If he struggles and Ball outplays him than his job will be much less secure. I'm fine with that because I don't expect Anderson to struggle. Again, what exactly do I as an Anderson owner need to spin? Everything has been positive for Anderson lately. Kubiak's comments, Mannings comments, even Ball's comments. What you're doing is taking any positive comment about Ball and spinning it as a negative about Anderson. The fact is, by all accounts Anderson and Ball both look good. If they both continue on the path they're on, based on Kubiak's comments so far we can only assume Anderson will enter the season as the #1 RB in Denver and should be in line for a great season. That doesn't mean your boy Montee Ball isn't a good player, it just means there's a better player in his way right now. If Anderson does hold onto the starting job I'm sure Ball will be used as well. I'm not going to try and predict precisely how many carries he'll get. All I can do is assume that based on Kubiaks comments about wanting a workhorse 3 down type back, the starting RB will get significantly more work than the #2 RB(or 1B if it makes you feel better).

You're coming across like a spiteful, envious Montee Ball owner getting her panties in a bunch because CJ Anderson owners are confident in his ability and situation.
I actually own CJ, bu I'm able to be logical, and not let my ownership of a player cloud my judgement, something you seem to be incapable of. Think about what I've posted. I never said that CJ sucks, and I said that I'd only give Ball a 5% chance of being the week 1 starter; but you are so defensive about your boy CJ that you are acting like a child who is incapable of rational discussion.
 
satch said:
This is the same coach who was OC in 2004 when Quentin Griffen was the top ADP RB in DEN and in 2005 when Tatum Bell was the top ADP RB in DEN, right? He's the same coach who was OC when Terrell Davis was an afterthought entering the 1995 preseason, right? The same guy who was HC in HOU in 2009 when Steve Slaton was being drafted as a top 10 FF RB and a guy named Arian Foster was added to the roster as an UDFA?

Just checking...

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Yes, to answer your question this is the same coach who coached those RBs that were overhyped on fantasy football forums in years past. Turns out the coach knows way more than us when it comes to RB evaluation. Probably best to forego the fantasy forum speculation and trust the coach's talent evaluation instead, right? That being the case, things are looking great for CJ Anderson, because Gary Kubiak himself is really impressed by Anderdon, not just us idiots on fantasy forums pretending to be football talent scouts.
Like when he says that Ball has had a great off-season, Hillman has had a really good off-season, but only mentions that Anderson has "worked extremely hard.....deserves the OPPORTUNITY based off of last year, but is being pushed very hard?" The coach, whose talent evalutation you say we should trust singles out Ball as having a "great" off-season, Hillman as having a "really good" off-season, and Anderson as being a hard worker who deserves the CHANCE to be the #1 RB but who is being "pushed very hard."

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2015/06/16/broncos-pleased-with-what-theyve-seen-from-c-j-anderson-so-far/
Exactly. Anderson's being pushed by Ball, which means Anderson is the starter, ahead of Ball.
Actually, Anderson is getting a chance to be the starter, and is working hard, but Ball has been great this offseason, if you want to accurately convey the context of the quote.
Well, if we're trying to be accurate, Kubiak said Anderson deserves the opportunity to be the starter and is working extremely hard. Ball has had a great offseason, and Hillman a really good offseason.You pretend to want to convey Kubiaks message accurately then go on to change "Anderson deserves the opportunity" to "Anderson's getting a chance". You also imply that in the same sentence Kubiak said "But Ball has been great". In reality Kubiak said separately, with no but, and not in direct reference to Anderson's opportunity to start, "Ball has had a great offseason". Using your definition of conveying the message accurately, you could've said "Anderson is getting a chance to be the starter, and is working hard, but Hillman has looked really good." You just inserted Ball instead of Hillman because you want it to hype Ball.
Opportunity=Chance; they are synonyms. HTH.You are trying to spin this (as you did with earlier info) as some kind of endorsement or praise of Anderson; it isn't. It's essentially what I've been saying: Anderson is the #1 RB now, but he doesn't have as much security as the top RBs. Kubiak says he deserves the chance to be the starter, but he's being pushed hard by Ball and Hillman. You want to wear blinders, shove yur head in the sand, and cry "Anderson is going to be a stud, no ifs, ands, or buts," and claim to be some expert at interpreting "coach speak," but it looks like your just being a typical FF owner, hyping a guys he owns & ignoring ANY information that you don't like reading/hearing.
Actually, I explained in detail above precisely how YOU are the one doing the spinning here. YOU are altering the words, phrases, and context of Kubiak's comments, not me. I don't need to spin anything because things are looking pretty darn good for CJ Anderson right now. You're obviously trying to find any glimpse of hope, any inkling of an indication that Anderson is losing the starting job to Ball. So instead of taking the coaches word at face value, you spin them in a way that gives the impression you want it to give. Go back and read it again. All I did was point out and correct YOUR spin by quoting what Kubiak actually said. I have no need to spin anything. I am a CJ Anderson dynasty owner. I'm psyched that Kubiak is on record saying the starting job is his to lose. Why would I need to spin that? I'm fully aware that Ball is motivated and is having a great offseason. So is Anderson by all accounts. That's fine by me. I hope Ball is a very good RB this year because I think it pushes Anderson to be even better, and helps the team which helps Anderson. I have no idea how the carries will be divided. I do know Kubiak has mentioned wanting a workhorse and a three down back. He has also mentioned that Anderson possesses the qualities to be that guy. Kubiak said that. I don't have to spin it. The only people that need to spin anything right now are Montee Ball owners such as yourself, trying to convince yourself that Ball is overtaking Anderson. Maybe Ball will steal the job from Anderson. I fully accept that as a possibility. But there's just no evidence of that at this point, and I don't expect that to happen. I don't know why you keep going back to this thing about Anderson's job security vs that of other RBs around the league. If he plays like he did last year I imagine his job will be very secure. If he struggles and Ball outplays him than his job will be much less secure. I'm fine with that because I don't expect Anderson to struggle. Again, what exactly do I as an Anderson owner need to spin? Everything has been positive for Anderson lately. Kubiak's comments, Mannings comments, even Ball's comments. What you're doing is taking any positive comment about Ball and spinning it as a negative about Anderson. The fact is, by all accounts Anderson and Ball both look good. If they both continue on the path they're on, based on Kubiak's comments so far we can only assume Anderson will enter the season as the #1 RB in Denver and should be in line for a great season. That doesn't mean your boy Montee Ball isn't a good player, it just means there's a better player in his way right now. If Anderson does hold onto the starting job I'm sure Ball will be used as well. I'm not going to try and predict precisely how many carries he'll get. All I can do is assume that based on Kubiaks comments about wanting a workhorse 3 down type back, the starting RB will get significantly more work than the #2 RB(or 1B if it makes you feel better).

You're coming across like a spiteful, envious Montee Ball owner getting her panties in a bunch because CJ Anderson owners are confident in his ability and situation.
I actually own CJ, bu I'm able to be logical, and not let my ownership of a player cloud my judgement, something you seem to be incapable of. Think about what I've posted. I never said that CJ sucks, and I said that I'd only give Ball a 5% chance of being the week 1 starter; but you are so defensive about your boy CJ that you are acting like a child who is incapable of rational discussion.
You're actually kinda funny, in a desperate and pathetic sort of way. I'm going to do the whole forum a favor and stop replying to you. We've wasted enough space in this thread.
 
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If you're going to get the last word, please make sure to reply to the whole chain so the thread is completely unreadable on phones.

 
No, that's not what I'm saying. I'll consider paying up for Lacy, Bell, Gurley, Murray, Lynch and Foster at their ADP, depending on how I want to build my team. But I think CJA is too expensive for a UDFA who has played half a season in the league, two young RBs behind him with a stronger background, and a new coaching staff and blocking scheme. That's just too much of a gamble for me in those early rounds.
So in a dynasty league you are gonna roll with Lynch and Foster over Anderson?

 
I've seen both Lynch and Foster go before Anderson in startups this year.
Seems crazy.

Even if Anderson had a 50/50 shot at being the starter that seems way better to take a 24/25 year old over a 29/30 year old with maybe 1-2 years left tops.

And Anderson clearly has better than a 50-50 shot to start

 
Unless Satch comes back and responds soon I'm going to have to declare bayhawks the winner of this argument. It was neck and neck but that last post put him over the top.

 
(Rotoworld) Troy Renck of the Denver Post says Montee Ball's opportunity has "come and gone." Analysis: "I donÂ’t see Ball getting the chance to prove that anymore," said Renck. "I think the window closed on him last year." Renck went on to call the Broncos a "bellcow offense," suggesting C.J. Anderson will get the lion's share of Denver's rushing workload. Ball posted an underwhelming 3.1 yards per carry last season. A poor training camp could put him on the roster bubble.

 
(Rotoworld) Troy Renck of the Denver Post says Montee Ball's opportunity has "come and gone." Analysis: "I donÂ’t see Ball getting the chance to prove that anymore," said Renck. "I think the window closed on him last year." Renck went on to call the Broncos a "bellcow offense," suggesting C.J. Anderson will get the lion's share of Denver's rushing workload. Ball posted an underwhelming 3.1 yards per carry last season. A poor training camp could put him on the roster bubble.
The above blurb came from this little video that is only about a minute long. Renck is right about Kubiak having a 'bellcow' RB and that CJ looks like the guy right now.

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http://sportsshow.denverpost.com/2015/06/18/grading-the-broncos-running-back-montee-ball/

Grading the Broncos: Running back Montee Ball

 
Tool said:
(Rotoworld) Troy Renck of the Denver Post says Montee Ball's opportunity has "come and gone." Analysis: "I donÂ’t see Ball getting the chance to prove that anymore," said Renck. "I think the window closed on him last year." Renck went on to call the Broncos a "bellcow offense," suggesting C.J. Anderson will get the lion's share of Denver's rushing workload. Ball posted an underwhelming 3.1 yards per carry last season. A poor training camp could put him on the roster bubble.
Or a gameday inactive.

I'm really failing to see where he fits in at all with this team if everyone stays healthy.

 
Rotoworld:

The Denver Post's Troy Renck believes C.J. Anderson "can roll for 1,400 yards" in the Broncos' zone-blocking scheme.

1,400 rushing yards would've ranked second in the league last season behind only DeMarco Murray (1,845). Renck describes Anderson as "a bowling ball with legs," and believes C.J. is "physically prepared for the grind" after improving his conditioning level this offseason. Renck projects Anderson to handle "18 carries per game" as the Broncos' "bellcow." 24-year-old Anderson is a fantasy first-rounder who often lasts until the second round of drafts.

Source: Denver Post
Jul 5 - 3:44 PM
 
Not sure there is as wide a gap in talent between Anderson and Ball as some here seem to feel. I own both guys so I hope one turns out to be a bellcow. But it seems that both guys have shown enough talent to be a lead back in the NFL and it should be a great competition to watch this summer.

 
Rotoworld:

C.J. Anderson - RB - Broncos

The Broncos plan to run more in the red zone this season.

"(If) you can make people play eight guys in the box in the red zone and you're not throwing against an eight-man drop, three-man rush — it sure is a lot easier to run the ball," coach Gary Kubiak said. 46 percent of Peyton Manning's 2014 scores came inside the 10-yard line, while that number was 49.1 percent in 2013. Playing for Kubiak in Baltimore, just 40.7 percent of Joe Flacco's scores came inside the 10-yard line. All signs continue to point toward the Broncos dialing back their passing attack, and placing greater responsibility on the shoulders of C.J. Anderson.

Related: Peyton Manning

Source: NBC Denver
Aug 4 - 6:04 PM
 
Broncos coach Gary Kubiak made it clear Wednesday that he intends to use a "bellcow" back in his offense.

"I can tell you this, I believe in the (bell cow)," said Kubiak. "... I think if a guy goes out there and he shows he can play three downs, can protect the quarterback, and can handle it, then he should stay out there." Steve Slaton, Arian Foster, and Justin Forsett can all attest to this. C.J. Anderson reported to Broncos camp at 218 pounds, down three from OTAs. He remains in line to operate as the Broncos' "bellcow" this season.

 
C.J. Anderson bounces back, takes usual workload in Sunday practice

C.J. Anderson's shoulder was feeling better on Sunday after he took a hard hit on it Saturday, so he fully participated in practice.

Jeff Legwold, ESPN Staff Writer

ENGLEWOOD, Colo. -- A day after being pulled out of practice after taking a hard hit on his left shoulder, Denver Broncos running back C.J. Anderson was back on the field with the starters Sunday and took his usual workload in what was a high-impact practice at times.

"First off C.J. comes off a little bit of a banged shoulder (Saturday), wakes up this morning and says 'I'm going, I feel great'," Kubiak said. " ... And he had a really good practice."

Anderson even participated in goal-line and red-zone drills throughout the morning workout.

Kubiak said playing time in the preseason games will be divided up by specific players, that "the starters" won't necessarily get the same playing time, that "I see C.J. [Anderson] as a guy who needs to play more than Peyton Manning does."

 
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Although I like CJ and the scheme that that are running, their oline could literally be the worst in the entire league. This won't be the Broncos offense we are used to.

 
How short does Kubiak traditionally hold his leash?

Fumble and ankle injury for Anderson in his limited time last night. Didn't return after that.

 
wow. talk about overreaction.

Week 1 of preseason is as meaningless as it gets.

Leash??? He came out cause starters play like 5 seconds in week 1 of the preseason, if at all.

WHat's next, we talk about the guys in the 4th quarter who racked up yards?

 
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Per the local beat reporters he was also sick before the game and decided to play anyways. After he got lit up and rolled his ankle no reason for him to come back in. Hopefully its not of the high variety but he twisted it pretty good from what i saw.

 
How short does Kubiak traditionally hold his leash?

Fumble and ankle injury for Anderson in his limited time last night. Didn't return after that.
well I remember him giving arian foster a very short leash in Houston when Arian first started playing.

basically Arians second game, he fumbled in the first quarter, didn't see the field again and IRRC was in FFL playoffs

 
Hillman looked like a man possessed last night. He may be the #2 back to own in this offense over Ball. If he can hang on to the ball, he could have value this year.

 
Among my most overrated players in the draft...last night's performance only further solidified that stance.

Ranked 6th at ESPN and 7th at CBS...over a ton of proven studs like Megatron/Murray/Julio etc. etc.

I just don't get it.

 
Among my most overrated players in the draft...last night's performance only further solidified that stance.

Ranked 6th at ESPN and 7th at CBS...over a ton of proven studs like Megatron/Murray/Julio etc. etc.

I just don't get it.
Did you see him run last year?

 

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