CJ Anderson (3 Viewers)

[ATB]

"The Denver Post's Troy Renck "figures" C.J. Anderson has one more chance to solidify his hold on the Broncos' starting job.

Anderson has struggled to 56 yards on 24 carries (2.3 YPC) so far this season. Ronnie Hillman has not been much better with 75 yards on 21 attempts (3.5 YPC), but the Broncos may be forced to make a change if the running game cannot get going this week against Detroit. Anderson will be a risky RB2 in that matchup."

http://www.denverpost.com/broncos/ci_28844535/should-ronnie-hillman-replace-c-j-anderson-broncos

This fails to take CJ's injury into account. When you suit up with a metal insert in your cleat to protest an injured toe, you're not held to the same standard as a healthy back.

 

[Touchdown There]

"The Denver Post's Troy Renck "figures" C.J. Anderson has one more chance to solidify his hold on the Broncos' starting job.

Anderson has struggled to 56 yards on 24 carries (2.3 YPC) so far this season. Ronnie Hillman has not been much better with 75 yards on 21 attempts (3.5 YPC), but the Broncos may be forced to make a change if the running game cannot get going this week against Detroit. Anderson will be a risky RB2 in that matchup."

http://www.denverpost.com/broncos/ci_28844535/should-ronnie-hillman-replace-c-j-anderson-broncos

This fails to take CJ's injury into account. When you suit up with a metal insert in your cleat to protest an injured toe, you're not held to the same standard as a healthy back.

You absolutely ARE held to the same standard. Don't trot out there injured and screw your team at less than full speed just because you are worried about losing your starting job. No excuses. He looks terrible.

 

[Worm]

Any thoughts to Juwan Thompson ever making any noise?

Worth a pickup in deep deep leagues?

 

[Mr E]

I'm starting Matt Jones over CJ Anderson from this point on...

 

[Squintz82]

"The Denver Post's Troy Renck "figures" C.J. Anderson has one more chance to solidify his hold on the Broncos' starting job.

Anderson has struggled to 56 yards on 24 carries (2.3 YPC) so far this season. Ronnie Hillman has not been much better with 75 yards on 21 attempts (3.5 YPC), but the Broncos may be forced to make a change if the running game cannot get going this week against Detroit. Anderson will be a risky RB2 in that matchup."

http://www.denverpost.com/broncos/ci_28844535/should-ronnie-hillman-replace-c-j-anderson-broncos

This fails to take CJ's injury into account. When you suit up with a metal insert in your cleat to protest an injured toe, you're not held to the same standard as a healthy back.

You're absolutely right. That's why defenses were letting up against CJ, since they wanted to be fair.

 

[Gr00vus]

Appreciate it. In a PPR, I think both Lewis and Gio may have a chance to outshine as I expect the most likely outcome for CJ is a repeat performance with 5-7 points. We'll see.

Lewis would be pretty much off the table for me this week on his own merits. The Bills D could be the best in the league, plus Blount will be back.

@STC - I hope you totally ignored me on this. I really whiffed.

 

[dagwood]

CJ Anderson = JAG

+1

 

[ImTheScientist]

CJ Anderson = JAG

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+2

 

[Seekay]

"The Denver Post's Troy Renck "figures" C.J. Anderson has one more chance to solidify his hold on the Broncos' starting job.

Anderson has struggled to 56 yards on 24 carries (2.3 YPC) so far this season. Ronnie Hillman has not been much better with 75 yards on 21 attempts (3.5 YPC), but the Broncos may be forced to make a change if the running game cannot get going this week against Detroit. Anderson will be a risky RB2 in that matchup."

http://www.denverpost.com/broncos/ci_28844535/should-ronnie-hillman-replace-c-j-anderson-broncos

If Anderson cant run on the Lions he might as well join Ball at Wal-mart.

 

[TartanLion]

As a Lions fan I'll be starting Anderson with absolute confidence and will be expecting him to have a dramatic turnaround in fortunes.

 

[dagwood]

Your rb corps must be pretty depleted if you are stuck starting CJ.

 

[BustedKnuckles]

its a long season....things will get better

 

[bicycle_seat_sniffer]

Your rb corps must be pretty depleted if you are stuck starting CJ.

Thanks merlin!

 

[Stompin' Tom Connors]

Appreciate it. In a PPR, I think both Lewis and Gio may have a chance to outshine as I expect the most likely outcome for CJ is a repeat performance with 5-7 points. We'll see.

Lewis would be pretty much off the table for me this week on his own merits. The Bills D could be the best in the league, plus Blount will be back.

@STC - I hope you totally ignored me on this. I really whiffed.

My man Gr00vus! Luckily I started Lewis and benched CJ. Though your perspective, as always, is appreciated and weighed on my decision. Hindsight is 50/50 -- it's the well-informed opinions before the fact that matter!

 

[IheartGuinness]

CJ Anderson = JAG

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-2

 

[LBH]

Any thoughts to Juwan Thompson ever making any noise?

Worth a pickup in deep deep leagues?

I have him stashed in 3 or 4 leagues. So yeah if you have large dynasty rosters I think he's definitely worth a spot and see what happens

 

[Buffaloes]

Any thoughts to Juwan Thompson ever making any noise?

Worth a pickup in deep deep leagues?

yeah

holding in dynasty, but he's a hammer and he looked good in TC and his snaps last year. it's probably the usual question of pass pro at this point.

 

[ImTheScientist]

CJ Anderson = JAG

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+2

-2

you realize this means we are still at +1 he's is JAG.

 

[duaneok66]

I am not a fan of CJ at all - but he is playing hurt.

He wasn't as good as he looked last year (an inordinate number of 6OL snaps), and not as bad as he has looked so far this year.

 

[Gr00vus]

Appreciate it. In a PPR, I think both Lewis and Gio may have a chance to outshine as I expect the most likely outcome for CJ is a repeat performance with 5-7 points. We'll see.

Lewis would be pretty much off the table for me this week on his own merits. The Bills D could be the best in the league, plus Blount will be back.

@STC - I hope you totally ignored me on this. I really whiffed.

My man Gr00vus! Luckily I started Lewis and benched CJ. Though your perspective, as always, is appreciated and weighed on my decision. Hindsight is 50/50 -- it's the well-informed opinions before the fact that matter!

Well, yours do. Mine should probably be ignored - and I have the record to prove it so far this season.

 

[IheartGuinness]

CJ Anderson = JAG

+1

+2

-2

you realize this means we are still at +1 he's is JAG.

Yes. He's a +1 JAG, not a +3 JAG. That distinction is reserved for Mike Evans.

 

[dkp993]

CJ Anderson = JAG

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+2

-2

you realize this means we are still at +1 he's is JAG.

Yes. He's a +1 JAG, not a +3 JAG. That distinction is reserved for Mike Evans.

I've always loved guys sitting on their couches at home calling professional athletes JAG's.

 

[Quasimoto]

Any thoughts to Juwan Thompson ever making any noise?

Worth a pickup in deep deep leagues?

It always seems to be the most obscure Broncos back who breaks out and becomes one of the seasons waiver wire gems, so yeah, if you have the roster space there are probably worse things you could do than stash JT.

 

[addicted2ff]

Here's some hope for us CJA owners...

Remember last year when Lacy got off to that slow start and there was a bit of a panic on him? I did some research and this is what I've found.

14' Lacy through first 3 games:

Averaged 57% of snaps(Starks had 27%)

-2.6 run grade on Pro Football Focus(Starks had +1.0)

4.3 Fantasy PPG in standard scoring

15' CJA through first 2 games:

Averaging 66% of snaps(Hillman has 32%)

-1.6 run grade(Hillman has -0.1)

3.85 Fantasy PPG

Both backs faced really good defenses in those games.

The biggest difference seems to be Denver's O-line is noticeably worse than 14' Green Bay's O-line after the same amount of games(Denver has a -18.8 PFF grade while GB had a -11.4 grade).

Still, as you can see, CJA can still be a stud rest of schedule, just like Lacy was a stud ROS after those first 3 games. Don't trade him away for pennies, and if you're a high risk high reward owner like myself, he's the perfect guy to target in a trade.

 

[IheartGuinness]

CJ Anderson = JAG

+1

+2

-2

you realize this means we are still at +1 he's is JAG.

Yes. He's a +1 JAG, not a +3 JAG. That distinction is reserved for Mike Evans.

I've always loved guys sitting on their couches at home calling professional athletes JAG's.

I'm in my recliner.

 

[Interseptopus]

Here's some hope for us CJA owners...

Remember last year when Lacy got off to that slow start and there was a bit of a panic on him? I did some research and this is what I've found.

14' Lacy through first 3 games:

Averaged 57% of snaps(Starks had 27%)

-2.6 run grade on Pro Football Focus(Starks had +1.0)

4.3 Fantasy PPG in standard scoring

15' CJA through first 2 games:

Averaging 66% of snaps(Hillman has 32%)

-1.6 run grade(Hillman has -0.1)

3.85 Fantasy PPG

Both backs faced really good defenses in those games.

The biggest difference seems to be Denver's O-line is noticeably worse than 14' Green Bay's O-line after the same amount of games(Denver has a -18.8 PFF grade while GB had a -11.4 grade).

Still, as you can see, CJA can still be a stud rest of schedule, just like Lacy was a stud ROS after those first 3 games. Don't trade him away for pennies, and if you're a high risk high reward owner like myself, he's the perfect guy to target in a trade.

Keep fighting the good fight!

In case you didn't notice, Lacy >>>>>>>>CJ

CJ is donezo

 

[bicycle_seat_sniffer]

im playing him vs Detroit. shrug

 

[ATB]

Gonna have a hard time starting him again until he shows me something.

 

[skinsrule05]

Gonna have a hard time starting him again until he shows me something.

That is a big turnaround for you but probably the right call.

 

[Mile High]

For me it comes down to his toe injury, if he seems to be 100% I'm starting him. Talk around here is Manning will be in the shotgun most of the time and Denver still wants to run.

 

[BustedKnuckles]

For me it comes down to his toe injury, if he seems to be 100% I'm starting him. Talk around here is Manning will be in the shotgun most of the time and Denver still wants to run.

so running out of the shotgun...hmmm

 

[Mile High]

For me it comes down to his toe injury, if he seems to be 100% I'm starting him. Talk around here is Manning will be in the shotgun most of the time and Denver still wants to run.

so running out of the shotgun...hmmm

Will be interesting to see what plays they come up with, but they realize they can't keep lining Manning up under center.

 

[dagwood]

For me it comes down to his toe injury, if he seems to be 100% I'm starting him. Talk around here is Manning will be in the shotgun most of the time and Denver still wants to run.

This is the week Hillman throws the knock out punch. Even the die hard support group will throw in the towel when Hillman outplays him this week.

 

[ATB]

Gonna have a hard time starting him again until he shows me something.

That is a big turnaround for you but probably the right call.

I was more confident when I thought I won my week 1 matchup and didn't mind whiffing in week 2 -- but somehow my week 1 win turned into a retroactive tie (don't even ask). So now I'm 0-2 on the season and need a turnaround.

I still believe CJ is the best back, but I don't believe he'll be putting up significant FF numbers until maybe halfway through the season (when he's fully healthy, fingers crossed).

CJ is a better back than Hillman. But a healthy back is better than an injured back. So for right now, yes, Hillman is going to look better.

But context is king. In context, CJ is injured and Hillman is not.

 

[cloppbeast]

For me it comes down to his toe injury, if he seems to be 100% I'm starting him. Talk around here is Manning will be in the shotgun most of the time and Denver still wants to run.

so running out of the shotgun...hmmm

Will be interesting to see what plays they come up with, but they realize they can't keep lining Manning up under center.

More akin to what they did last year when CJ was busting it.

 

[ATB]

Anyone who expects a turnaround after one week is not being rational. Toe injuries linger. I'd rather him ride the pine for two weeks and come out on fire @Oak and @Cle.

 

[bostonfred]

CJ is a better back than Hillman. But a healthy back is better than an injured back. So for right now, yes, Hillman is going to look better.

But context is king. In context, CJ is injured and Hillman is not.

Last year ball played through pain after an appendectomy and his core strength was terrible. Despite a promising rookie year, we were told that cj was obviously better. In five games as a starter last year, Hillman had over 100 total yards four times and 2 tds twice. But then he got hurt.

Then cj Anderson took over, and he was not only the healthy back, he also took over late in the season so he was the healthy back playing against defenses that were hurt.

So maybe what we're really seeing is that healthy cj against beat up defenses is better than healthy Hillman against healthy defenses, but healthy Hillman is as good as healthy cj, and healthy Hillman is better than hurt cj. Or something like that.

Or maybe cj just isn't as good at running Kubiaks system as he is for fox/gase.

There's more to it than player a is better than player b. These aren't madden players with a number next to their name.

 

[ATB]

CJ is a better back than Hillman. But a healthy back is better than an injured back. So for right now, yes, Hillman is going to look better.

But context is king. In context, CJ is injured and Hillman is not.

Last year ball played through pain after an appendectomy and his core strength was terrible. Despite a promising rookie year, we were told that cj was obviously better.In five games as a starter last year, Hillman had over 100 total yards four times and 2 tds twice. But then he got hurt.

Then cj Anderson took over, and he was not only the healthy back, he also took over late in the season so he was the healthy back playing against defenses that were hurt.

So maybe what we're really seeing is that healthy cj against beat up defenses is better than healthy Hillman against healthy defenses, but healthy Hillman is as good as healthy cj, and healthy Hillman is better than hurt cj. Or something like that.

Or maybe cj just isn't as good at running Kubiaks system as he is for fox/gase.

There's more to it than player a is better than player b. These aren't madden players with a number next to their name.

That's pretty close to what I was saying. But I don't agree that we can't evaluate Player A against Player B. Because Players A & B are on the same offense right now. So we can. They're both running Kubiaks system and neither looks exceptional -- except one is injured. So I'm giving the benefit of doubt to the injured guy who looks just as good as the healthy guy.

Put it this way: If you can't pull away from a guy with an injured toe, you're not better than the guy with the injured toe.

 

[Chaka]

This thread reads an awful lot like the Montee Ball thread did after week 2 last year.

 

[cstu]

Anyone who expects a turnaround after one week is not being rational. Toe injuries linger. I'd rather him ride the pine for two weeks and come out on fire @Oak and @Cle.

Agree.

 

[bostonfred]

They're both running Kubiaks system and neither looks exceptional -- except one is injured. So I'm giving the benefit of doubt to the injured guy who looks just as good as the healthy guy.

Cj 12 for 29Rh 12 for 41

Cj 12 for 27

Rh 9 for 34

Not as good. Hillman looked ok, not great but not terrible. Cjs numbers are terrible.

 

[cloppbeast]

They're both running Kubiaks system and neither looks exceptional -- except one is injured. So I'm giving the benefit of doubt to the injured guy who looks just as good as the healthy guy.

Cj 12 for 29Rh 12 for 41

Cj 12 for 27

Rh 9 for 34

Not as good. Hillman looked ok, not great but not terrible. Cjs numbers are terrible.

There's certainly question marks as to whether Anderson can perform in Kub's system. But word on the street says the Broncos are caving to Manning's shotgun offense, in which CJ does better than Hillman. Trade for CJ, fools.

 

[rick6668]

They're both running Kubiaks system and neither looks exceptional -- except one is injured. So I'm giving the benefit of doubt to the injured guy who looks just as good as the healthy guy.

Cj 12 for 29Rh 12 for 41

Cj 12 for 27

Rh 9 for 34

Not as good. Hillman looked ok, not great but not terrible. Cjs numbers are terrible.

Agreed. CJs numbers are terrible for rushing.

But he's getting pretty much all the work for blocking/passing.

CJ 9 targets with 5 catches for 21 yards.

Rh 1 target with 0 catches for 0 yards

In a PPR, CJ still has the edge.

 

[dagwood]

They're both running Kubiaks system and neither looks exceptional -- except one is injured. So I'm giving the benefit of doubt to the injured guy who looks just as good as the healthy guy.

Cj 12 for 29Rh 12 for 41

Cj 12 for 27

Rh 9 for 34

Not as good. Hillman looked ok, not great but not terrible. Cjs numbers are terrible.

Agreed. CJs numbers are terrible for rushing.

But he's getting pretty much all the work for blocking/passing.

CJ 9 targets with 5 catches for 21 yards.

Rh 1 target with 0 catches for 0 yards

In a PPR, CJ still has the edge.

failing to catch 4 of 9 dump off targets. Pretty piss poor.

Bet if Hillman had 9 targets, he would have caught more than 5 and averaged more than 4.2 ypc

 

[shadyridr]

If hillman had 9 targets he probably would have like 15 receptions by now

 

[rick6668]

They're both running Kubiaks system and neither looks exceptional -- except one is injured. So I'm giving the benefit of doubt to the injured guy who looks just as good as the healthy guy.

Cj 12 for 29Rh 12 for 41

Cj 12 for 27

Rh 9 for 34

Not as good. Hillman looked ok, not great but not terrible. Cjs numbers are terrible.

Agreed. CJs numbers are terrible for rushing.

But he's getting pretty much all the work for blocking/passing.

CJ 9 targets with 5 catches for 21 yards.

Rh 1 target with 0 catches for 0 yards

In a PPR, CJ still has the edge.

failing to catch 4 of 9 dump off targets. Pretty piss poor.

Bet if Hillman had 9 targets, he would have caught more than 5 and averaged more than 4.2 ypc

Why? His catch percentage is 0% on the year. He's dropped every ball thrown to him.

(See how ridiculous it is when we compare stats on suck small sample sizes.)

 

[VikingFrog]

If hillman had 9 targets he probably would have like 15 receptions by now

I thought his frame wasn't built to withstand 15 receptions.

 

[profit]

Your rb corps must be pretty depleted if you are stuck starting CJ.

I guess that's assuming he plays in a 12 or less league? In 14-16 team (what I play) leagues, huge difference.

 

[profit]

For me it comes down to his toe injury, if he seems to be 100% I'm starting him. Talk around here is Manning will be in the shotgun most of the time and Denver still wants to run.

so running out of the shotgun...hmmm

Yes, since they did this very effectively last year.

 

[profit]

lesson, don't fall for a one year wonder UDFA. i fell for it myself, shoulda known better.

Arian Foster disagrees. There is no "never draft a UDFA that blew up the year before" rule, least not in my book.