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I'm so tempted to cut this bum purely out of spite, but then I would never forgive myself if Hillman got hurt and Anderson started rattling off a string of 29-yard games.
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Shutout
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Kwai Chang Caine
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You know, I don't think Bloom's call was terrible even though we saw the results in that game. He definitely goes out on a limb far more often than Dodds and Tremblay and it bites him, but Peyton Manning killed this team today, not CJ. They barely had the ball in the game because it was interception after interception or just a 3-and-out.
Dizzy
Footballguy
I know it's not what you want to hear, but YOUR opinion is just as good as anyone. We're all experts... doesn't matter if you get paid to share your thoughts or not.
Kwai Chang Caine
Footballguy
Yeah but Hillman got all the reps until Anderson had TWO carries in the fourth quarter. This was a completely blown assessment.
Avery
Footballguy
Not that Bloom needs my defense, but I think his assessment of the situation was on. Anderson seemed to be over his toe injury, Denver apparently said to be re-evaluating their run game, they should have run more with Peyton injured/performing like he is, and Anderson did outplay Hillman in the last couple of week leading into this game.
All this seemed to point to an increased role for Anderson. Seemed to be a logical process with a reasonable conclusion and a good assessment.
It was the result that didn't pan out which happened in a situation with unpredictable elements (coaching decisions, game flow, etc...).
DocHolliday
Footballguy
Honestly, Bloom's assessment made a ton of sense. I was ready to drop Hillman after the last couple of weeks since Anderson was outplaying him.
thehoch
Footballguy
Fantasy football is a crapshoot, I wouldn't blame any "expert" for any advice since the idea of being a fantasy football expert is ridiculous to begin with. But my problem is the evaluation of talent.
Last year one of the "experts" said Falcons running back Devonta Freeman was just a "guy" and that effected my drafting of him this year. WRONG! I don't know who said it but I read it on here....
Anyway, I don't mind missing on opportunities to play, but I do when it comes to evaluation talent and opportunity.
Last year one of the "experts" said Falcons running back Devonta Freeman was just a "guy" and that effected my drafting of him this year. WRONG! I don't know who said it but I read it on here....
Anyway, I don't mind missing on opportunities to play, but I do when it comes to evaluation talent and opportunity.
Dizzy
Footballguy
There ya go.
The fact that none of these "experts" ever agree on anything should tell you all you need to know.
VikingFrog
Footballguy
I didn't watch the game and I know Peyton was crap, but I still didn't understand why the near 50/50 split went away. Even when one running back has been outperforming the other, it has been close 60/40 or 50/50 it seems. Hillman just kept getting plugged in and outcarried him 11-2.
I even thought maybe they'd plug in CJ when the win was out of hand to pick up some garabge yardage, but Hillman stayed in.
Just further proof that this guy can't be trusted. I think I've started him every week. Ha.
I even thought maybe they'd plug in CJ when the win was out of hand to pick up some garabge yardage, but Hillman stayed in.
Just further proof that this guy can't be trusted. I think I've started him every week. Ha.
Shutout
Footballguy
Fantasy football is a hobby/game that, once you have been playing it past the first season you play, you really should do yourself a favor and stop reading/listening to "experts".
In the beginning, sure —learn the game and listen to their logic path on why they say what they say, but if you've been playing fantasy for 10 years or something and you are still hanging on every word of any FF expert, you're silly. You've been around long enough to read the tea leaves in the same exact fashion and make your own decisions.
In today's media, there aren't any experts that are going to drop any insider info on you that changes anything AND puts you in a position where you're going to be in a very small group of people that know that information because word spreads like wild fire when useful information DOES pop up and everyone has access to it.
You can very, very seldom ever listen to a fantasy expert when trying to decide if a guy like Freeman is "just a guy" or not because these people live, breathe, and eat all info from a fantasy perspective. They aren't trained to evaluate NFL talent and how it will be used in real life. If you've played fantasy for 10+ years, you likely have every bit as much experience in eyeballing what will work as anyone else. We're all "experts" to that standard level.
I have honestly found that the past 3-4 years have been BY FAR the most successful ones I have had in fantasy and it really became simple: I stopped listening to what 1,000 experts had to say and I started thinking of players as something beyond robots that you just plug in. The more I pay attention to them as real people and the teams' real needs and coaching tendencies (and stop following three month long hype trains on every rookie that enters the league), the much better I am at seeing the forest for the trees.
If fantasy football was a crapshoot, most leagues wouldnt be dominated by the same handful of teams year after year.
40% skill, 60% injury/luck...
As for cj, I congratulate the owners who sold high after packer game, I can't see osweiler making the o line play any better. Your better off with a high end backup rb stash at this point than cj
skinsrule05
Footballguy
Who ever said CJ killed the team? That wouldn't be possible. He wasn't on the field.
Basically the CJ rep this year is on par with C-Mike.
Game flow did not affect CJ. He was not in the game plan at all. That seems crazy to me because I thought he was the better receiver (at least coming into the season). So a game where his is down and Peyton can't throw over 10 would suit him well.
ATB
Footballguy
Everyone is overreacting, AGAIN, to a single game that was god awful on every level.
CJ has been splitting carries with Hillman over the last few weeks and outperforming Hillman. He's built like an every down back. Hillman isn't.
Occam's Razor says Hillman is simply healthier RIGHT NOW than CJ is. Who knows what happened leading up to this week's game. Maybe he tweaked something we didn't hear about. Maybe his toe injury resurfaced.
But I think we all know what didn't happen: Hillman asserting himself as a better back.
A healthier back, maybe. But better? Not under even circumstances.
I'm holding. He'll be healthy at some point. He'll have a healthy QB at some point. And he'll produce under those circumstances.
CJ has been splitting carries with Hillman over the last few weeks and outperforming Hillman. He's built like an every down back. Hillman isn't.
Occam's Razor says Hillman is simply healthier RIGHT NOW than CJ is. Who knows what happened leading up to this week's game. Maybe he tweaked something we didn't hear about. Maybe his toe injury resurfaced.
But I think we all know what didn't happen: Hillman asserting himself as a better back.
A healthier back, maybe. But better? Not under even circumstances.
I'm holding. He'll be healthy at some point. He'll have a healthy QB at some point. And he'll produce under those circumstances.
Bracie Smathers
Footballguy
Broncos lost their OLT in training camp.
They lost their backup rookie OLT days prior to trade deadline.
They attempted but failed to land perrenial Pro Bowl OLT because Elway demanded Browns 3rd round pick instead of taking 5th round pick in 2016.
Peyton Manning gets injured next game.
Injury worsens and so does his game.
Peyton was fading before the year began as the story leaked of nerve damage in his hands but the injury to his foot was the straw that broke the camel's back so he gets the hook.
Broncos went from undefeated to having lost all games since the point they lost their second OLT.
Just a guess but I think that has had an adverse effect on both the passing game and the running game.
They lost their backup rookie OLT days prior to trade deadline.
They attempted but failed to land perrenial Pro Bowl OLT because Elway demanded Browns 3rd round pick instead of taking 5th round pick in 2016.
Peyton Manning gets injured next game.
Injury worsens and so does his game.
Peyton was fading before the year began as the story leaked of nerve damage in his hands but the injury to his foot was the straw that broke the camel's back so he gets the hook.
Broncos went from undefeated to having lost all games since the point they lost their second OLT.
Just a guess but I think that has had an adverse effect on both the passing game and the running game.
Kwai Chang Caine
Footballguy
Shutout, you are 100% right and I am going to post this in my own personal journal LOL!
I watched Langford play last Monday and my eyes told me that this kid was a great player in all phases. Then, I read Bloom's take on Anderson and I also thought that Langford had to go to saint Louis and play the vaunted Ram D and I talked myself into playing a guy that I KNEW was inferior. My fault. And I knew better.
LittlePhatty
Footballguy
On the bright side Peyton was benched and may stay there the rest of the season. This could be a boost for the whole offense, however it might be too little too late. I'm not going to trust CJ until I see a good game first.
Dizzy
Footballguy
You raise a good point. With Osweiler in there (and I think we will), will we see a dedicated return to the Kubiak run-oriented system that we saw in BAL, HOU? Do we think that Hillman will hold up under that kind of workload?
One thing that I did see with CJ in limited action yesterday... twice he turnstiled blitzers on their way to Manning. If I saw it, everyone saw it, so...
Funny...one reason I keyed in on Freeman as potential value was seeing an "expert" here tout him as likely to hold off Coleman and remain the primary back. After doing a little checking myself on his history and past performance, I drafted him and am pleased.
I for one prefer experts who will go out on a limb with their predictions, as long as they back them up with sound reasoning that I can choose to agree or disagree with. Much more useful to have a guy like Bloom say "I like CJ over Hillman ROS because a, b, c and d" than just have a bunch of people all ranking Hillman > CJA because of year-to-date stats.
Just take the "expert" views as additional data points and make your own decision. I bought the CJ logic...still think the reasoning was sound, even if the results didn't go as predicted this time.
Raider Nation
Devil's Advocate
Hillman might well have just fumbled the job away. 
BustedKnuckles
Footballguy
lets pray you`re right...CJ looked really good on that run...i so need for him to justify holding onto him all seasonHillman might well have just fumbled the job away.
Raider Nation
Devil's Advocate
He hasn't stepped on the field since the last one he almost lost. Of course now he'll rip off a 60-yard TD run.
Raider Nation
Devil's Advocate
P.S. Holding him? I'm STARTING him. I won't bore anyone with the details, but I've had carnage at RB this year, the likes of which I've never seen before. If a RB is breathing, he's got a shot to start for me.
BustedKnuckles
Footballguy
dickey moe
Fingerpicker
Just in time for the playoffs (hopefully)...
VikingFrog
Footballguy
Raider Nation
Devil's Advocate
Welcome back, old friend. I just hope he gets carries when it's not snowing.
Mr. Brownstone
Footballguy
So glad I outsmarted myself and cut him. Dumb ###.
Bojang0301
Omar4Heisman
He's back!
BigBlue_RI
Footballguy
He's back...until next week when he rushes 11 times for 30 yds
BustedKnuckles
Footballguy
NajehHejan
Footballguy
He looked great! He's back and you can trust him, as long as Peyton stays off the field.
Jack White
Footballguy
Raider Nation
Devil's Advocate
Peyton being gone is a big part of it. Brock can run Kubiak's offense from under center. I think most RBs would prefer to run downhill with a head of steam rather than take a handoff flat-footed from a statue QB in the pistol formation.
Sarlakticacid
Footballguy
With SDs D against the run this year both CJ and Hillman should be $$$$ ¥¥¥¥ or ££££ next week
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LittlePhatty
Footballguy
Area51Inhabitant
Footballguy
I hate Lacy's matchup next week so I may have little choice but to roll CJ out there and hope even in a time share that there will be plenty of touches again.
BustedKnuckles
Footballguy
he`ll be my flex for now...baby steps lol
