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CJ Anderson (4 Viewers)

Actually, yes yes I do. Thanks for your concern though.
I wouldn't see the point because I've seen boards that have that. The agitators have large negative red numbers and everyone else continues to pad their green stats cause they're part of the IT crowd. No one would care after awhile but people would ignore the negative reds and anything they typed.

 
I wouldn't see the point because I've seen boards that have that. The agitators have large negative red numbers and everyone else continues to pad their green stats cause they're part of the IT crowd. No one would care after awhile but people would ignore the negative reds and anything they typed.
Some people really need to be down voted though.

 
Because CJ has already carried the ball 25% as much as he did in the season he got the most carries of his pro or college career.
And maybe the Broncos have discovered that when CJ carries the ball 25% more he actually gets more effective over the course of a game....enabling them to control game flow....which then gives their 2nd year QB better down and distance situations...

Just a theory.

 
And maybe the Broncos have discovered that when CJ carries the ball 25% more he actually gets more effective over the course of a game....enabling them to control game flow....which then gives their 2nd year QB better down and distance situations...

Just a theory.
Never said a thing about 25% more but if he did carry the ball 25% more then he ever has in a season he's either going to be missing games or dropping down to 12.8 carries a game for the ROS.

 
CJ's stung me a few times in the past and I absolutely hated taking him in the 4th round as my RB1. One of those picks where you just don't know what to do and select someone, instantly hating it. Maybe it won't turn out so bad after all. 

 
I didn't refer to Charles' past performance (he has the highest YPC of all time). I watched the game and came to the conclusion that even at 31 he has a lot to offer.

And also, not trying to talk trash about CJ's ability either. He's a grinder with good vision and power. With the o-line blocking very well for him he will put up great games, obviously. But, if the day comes when the Broncos need a running back to create things on his own, it's Charles not CJ. 
https://www.profootballfocus.com/news/pro-refocused-denver-broncos-42-dallas-cowboys-17

Sounds like he didn't need the OL blocking very well for him Sunday:

"Anderson didn’t get much help up front from his offensive line, but was still quite effective as a runner. He averaged over three yards after contact per carry, forced six missed tackles, and found the endzone once. He added another 36 yards as a receiver on three catches where he scored another touchdown."

 
 I think the problem is with CJ Anderson, is many people are still a bit "burned" by him in the past couple of seasons, that you can't effectively get what he is actually worth right now.

 I know its only entering week 3 of the season, but he is looking more and more like one of the few "elite bellcows" in the league.  There simply isn't much reason to think he is not a top 5 fantasy football RB at this point. Workload is the main reason, obviously.

 His first weeks #s, may be a bit of a red flag for potential "buyers" when trying to get a trade done, but the smarter owners look at the carry load, of course.

 That aside, who could you realistically get for CJ, that you would really want to "accept" at this point??? This is a serious question, think about it.

The workload he is getting, Siemian looking more and more proficient... I don't know who I would take for him right now, that I would actually pull the trigger on.

 He is getting a bigger workload than Gurley.  (And would you really take Gurley for him???)  Thats a tough one.   TY Montgomery is a possibility, but then again that has its concerns as well.(can he hold up to a big workload)

 Maybe a few of us would take Devonta Freeman for him, I can see going that route.... but if you could actually get that deal is another question.

You almost certainly can't get Hunt from a swooning owner, and I don't think anyone is exactly offering up LeVeon Bell for him.

Point is - I don't see moving him currently....at least not with what you or I can currently get.

 I actually benched CJ this past week, in one league and played Terrance West over him. (I thought with matchup + the loss of Woodhead made it a fair play)

That won't be happening again. :wall:    I would have lost anyway, but I don't know if CJ is benchable at this point.  You would have to have 2 other unreal choices + good  matchups to consider benching him.

Just looked over his late season fantasy schedule.

 WEEK 14 - vs. The Jets

 WEEK 15 - @ Indy

 WEEK 16 -  @ Washington

 

 The Jets will be in full give up mode in week 14. (CJ could be a week 1 playoff monster for some of us)

 Week 15 @ Indy doesn't look too bad now either, but that team could be totally different when Luck returns.

 Who knows what Washington will be come week 16.

Regardless, if CJ can stay healthy he has the potential to be one Hell of a play in the fantasy playoffs.......especially weeks 14-15.

 TZM

 
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I should add that Garett Bolles' injury is just a bone bruise. He's week-to-week. It'll hurt CJA to lose him for a few weeks, but much better than a broken ankle.

 
I've been offered Carson Wentz (I curently start Cousins) and Joe Mixon for Anderson.  I have McCoy and Hyde and also Doug Martin in two weeks.  Mulling it over.

 
TZMarkie said:
Point is - I don't see moving him currently....at least not with what you or I can currently get.
It all depends on your roster for one thing. 

Suppose you have tons of RBs but lack the WRs; Any of the first round wide receivers sound good. As none of them have exactly lit the world on fire yet, you might pull it off. 

As for running backs straight up, not saying it's likely, but an impatient or impulsive owner may part with Bell or Elliot; worth a try at least. And I would absolutely take Gurley, but I highly doubt any such trade partner exists. I would also accept Ajayi and McCoy for him. 

Or maybe these trades are complete fantasy.  :shrug:

 
I've been offered Carson Wentz (I curently start Cousins) and Joe Mixon for Anderson.  I have McCoy and Hyde and also Doug Martin in two weeks.  Mulling it over.
Cousins is off to a slow start but it's unlikely that he doesn't at least keep pace with Wentz going forward. His track record is pretty good.

 
 TZMs post about CJ and weeks 14-16, makes me think I'm gonna grab Booker off the waiver wire if I can fit him in. Charles in the mix as well but if anything were to happen to Anderson, there's a high chance Booker would receive a very healthy dose of carries 

 
 TZMs post about CJ and weeks 14-16, makes me think I'm gonna grab Booker off the waiver wire if I can fit him in. Charles in the mix as well but if anything were to happen to Anderson, there's a high chance Booker would receive a very healthy dose of carries 
I guess. Booker is pretty bad. Probably grab Henderson, and Williams as well.

 
I don't know how but CJ saw 8+ in the box on only 4% of his carries last week. If that's not an error it's the lowest percentage of all RBs on the week. 

 
someone offered me C J for my # 1 WR Antonio Brown..................................................HAHAHAHA....go away wid dat sheeet
In a 16-team dynasty, yesterday the comissioner offered me Samaje Perine and 2018 2nd round for CJ. That's equally a s*#t offer.

 
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I read somewhere that CJ has never had more than 200 carries in a season.ever.not college.not pros.not ever..the breakdown is coming, it's just a matter of when.

if I had him I'd be looking to sell really high at this point..

 
I read somewhere that CJ has never had more than 200 carries in a season.ever.not college.not pros.not ever..the breakdown is coming, it's just a matter of when.

if I had him I'd be looking to sell really high at this point..
So you're saying he's due for a breakout year.  :excited:

 
 TZMs post about CJ and weeks 14-16, makes me think I'm gonna grab Booker off the waiver wire if I can fit him in. Charles in the mix as well but if anything were to happen to Anderson, there's a high chance Booker would receive a very healthy dose of carries 
I traded the bum

 
Correlation does not imply causation...
That is incorrect. Correlation does not MEAN causation but it does imply it. That's exactly how things are proven, by testing the implied causation.

I will be benching CJA going forward until I see it. I know he is capable but the coaching staff isn't getting it yet. They keep wanting to run this 3 headed monster backfield with no rhythm and then put the ball in Simian's hands to make the win happen. And you know what, neither of those things work. Obviously. The only team in the league that can do it is New England and that may have a little something to do with the guy wearing #12 over there. As for Simian, I'm not saying it's all his fault, the offensive line is garbage, but dink and dunk doesn't work when you only get 6 or 7 yards on a 3 down set.

 
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You guys for real?  That's the oldest fallacy in the book.   People have been saying 'RB (whoever) gets 20+ carries = win' forever, and it's because teams run the ball when they have the lead.   The carries are a result of the winning, not the cause of it.

 
It was terrible game flow.  The Broncos got behind early on a punt return touchdown and another td in the second.  Anderson had 10 runs for 44 - decent average, but not enough volume. Her has 475 total yards and two touchdowns in six games, running for 4.3 per carry and catching 11 passes.  He's on pace for a 1050 yards and 30 catches for another 200 and change, and he's had 5 of 6 games running for over 4 yards a carry.  He's playing fine..

The real problem is her had 3 games with 20 plus carries (20, 25. 20) and 3 games with 10 or fewer (10,9,8).. In the high volume games he has 354 total yards and 2 touchdowns.  In the low volume games he has 121 total yards and 0 touchdowns.   

Two of his next three are against teams that can be run on, but can also score a ton.  The chiefs and patriots are just weird run defenses that way.. them he settles into a pretty favorable 5 game run into the playoffs with the Bengals, raiders, dolphins, jets and colts, and several of those teams could be falling out of contention by then (they're a combined 14-19 right now).  So I'm not panicking, but if I'm looking to buy I'm probably waiting a couple weeks right now.

 
You guys for real?  That's the oldest fallacy in the book.   People have been saying 'RB (whoever) gets 20+ carries = win' forever, and it's because teams run the ball when they have the lead.   The carries are a result of the winning, not the cause of it.
Being in the lead or in a competitive game does allow for more run plays, but the volume of runs depends really on how well you can run the ball and how well you pass.  Right now there’s a good argument Denver should be running more.

20 carries is only 5 plays a quarter,

 
His touches seem to be more valuable. CJ's role is very Abdullah-esque right now, he seems to only get work in between the 20s. Heck, I think Abdullah sees more targets on average.

Booker gets work in the RZ, he at the very least has more upside. If I had to choose I'd play Booker over CJ as well.

 
Game script fits in to how the Broncos are using Booker right now. He is their red zone and passing down RB, and I believe they will be trailing for most of the game. I would not be surprised if Booker leads the team in receptions on Sunday, and of course there's a much better chance of a long gainer with Booker than CJ. CJ is most likely going to be bottled up by the dominant Eagles run defense.

 
His touches seem to be more valuable. CJ's role is very Abdullah-esque right now, he seems to only get work in between the 20s. Heck, I think Abdullah sees more targets on average.

Booker gets work in the RZ, he at the very least has more upside. If I had to choose I'd play Booker over CJ as well.
I would very much disagree with this. There is not enough evidence for any type of conclusion on this backfield.

On the play where Booker scored, he took it in from the 6-yard line. Booker had been featured that entire series and was running well so McCoy stuck with him. It's inconclusive which RB would have gotten the snaps if it became 1st and goal at the 2-yard line.

The Denver RB situation is very much in flux right now. All three (Charles, Booker and CJ) have looked good at times and all three have scored red zone TD's.

Maybe they go series by series, go with the hot hand, or carve out distinct roles (i.e. GL back, 3rd back or whatever)....but in no way is CJ's role very Adullah-esque...nor is Jamaal Charles out of the picture unless he gets benched for his fumble.

 
I would very much disagree with this. There is not enough evidence for any type of conclusion on this backfield.

On the play where Booker scored, he took it in from the 6-yard line. Booker had been featured that entire series and was running well so McCoy stuck with him. It's inconclusive which RB would have gotten the snaps if it became 1st and goal at the 2-yard line.

The Denver RB situation is very much in flux right now. All three (Charles, Booker and CJ) have looked good at times and all three have scored red zone TD's.

Maybe they go series by series, go with the hot hand, or carve out distinct roles (i.e. GL back, 3rd back or whatever)....but in no way is CJ's role very Adullah-esque...nor is Jamaal Charles out of the picture unless he gets benched for his fumble.
Booker completely monopolized red zone touches in the game vs. KC. Since coming out of the bye Booker has seen 11%, 11% and 8% of the targets in contrast to CJ's 0%, 6% and 3%. Anderson went from seeing 70% of the snaps going into DEN's bye to 50% coming out which correlates with Booker getting more involved. It's only going to get worse for CJ from here on out, not better. CJ's usage is quite literally indistinguishable from Abdullah's.

 
His touches seem to be more valuable. CJ's role is very Abdullah-esque right now, he seems to only get work in between the 20s. Heck, I think Abdullah sees more targets on average.

Booker gets work in the RZ, he at the very least has more upside. If I had to choose I'd play Booker over CJ as well.
How so? Because Booker got the red zone touches after CJ did work to get them there? Are we basing this on one week with limited red zone snaps?

 
How so? Because Booker got the red zone touches after CJ did work to get them there? Are we basing this on one week with limited red zone snaps?
The red zone snaps were not limited. Booker had 4 RZ carries, CJ had none. Booker took every RZ snap but one. This didn't happen by chance.

 
Booker completely monopolized red zone touches in the game vs. KC. Since coming out of the bye Booker has seen 11%, 11% and 8% of the targets in contrast to CJ's 0%, 6% and 3%. Anderson went from seeing 70% of the snaps going into DEN's bye to 50% coming out which correlates with Booker getting more involved. It's only going to get worse for CJ from here on out, not better. CJ's usage is quite literally indistinguishable from Abdullah's.
Whatever. I definitely respect your posts and commentary in general but at some point common sense needs to take over.

Booker is definitely becoming more involved, no question about that....and it will hurt CJ's value.

But CJ having become "Abdullah-like"is just not consistent with reality.

Stats are great and all but meaningless in a 4-game sample size.

 

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