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Classic Album Discussion Thread: The Kinks-Lola Versus Powerman and the Moneygoround, Pt. 1 (1 Viewer)

I like Abacab... Good memories are associated with. 

Quick question tho: if one were to rearrange it (abacab the song) - movin' some sections around - would it need to be renamed? 

If so, I'm workin on Cabbage - g & e, bein my own contribution to finale. 🙂

 
Ghost Rider said:
Bizarre choice for Genesis, considering this isn't even considered their best album of the 80's (that would be Duke). 

Oh, and Genesis was never a hard rock band.  NEVER. 
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example number 201 where GR has the wrong opinion about an album from an amazing band

never fails

 
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Fiddles said:
example number 201 where GR has the wrong opinion about an album from an amazing band

never fails
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Your input is appreciated, but I stand by my opinion that Abacab is not considered their best album of the 80's.

https://rateyourmusic.com/artist/genesis - According to this site (which is pretty big), it is their least best album of the 80's and their 12th best studio album overall (out of 15).  Even the much-maligned Invisible Touch has a higher rating! 

Don't get me wrong, I love Genesis, and Abacab is a solid record; they just have many that are better, IMO and the opinion of many others. 

 
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Marvin Hamlisch has been in my living room.

Carpet Crawlers, Lamb version, is one of the great vocals ever. That's about it for me and Genesis.

 
timschochet said:
This alone should have stopped you from relying on that poll as evidence. 
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It's not a poll. It's a website where users rank albums on their quality, and each Genesis album has thousand of votes, with, of course, the 70's material having the most votes cast since that is their best material. 

 
Ghost Rider said:
It's not a poll. It's a website where users rank albums on their quality, and each Genesis album has thousand of votes, with, of course, the 70's material having the most votes cast since that is their best material. 
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So people come to the website and vote on each album? That sure sounds like a poll. 

 
timschochet said:
So people come to the website and vote on each album? That sure sounds like a poll. 
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It's rating system, not a poll. There is a difference. 

And, no, you don't have to vote on each album. You can vote on just the ones you want. 

 
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Ghost Rider said:
It's rating system, not a poll. There is a difference. 

And, no, you don't have to vote on each album. You can vote on just the ones you want. 
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Ok.  But even so, if Invisible Touch is ranked higher than Abacab...

I’m not a huge Genesis fan. I chose Abacab bexause (a) a lot of people seem to like it and (b) I like it. Those are usually my only two considerations. There will be other Genesis albums chosen. 

I do disagree with you about hard rock though. We may have a different definition, but the song “Abacab” is in my mind a perfect example of late 70s early 80s hard rock. 

 
timschochet said:
I do disagree with you about hard rock though. We may have a different definition, but the song “Abacab” is in my mind a perfect example of late 70s early 80s hard rock. 
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I hate genre-labeling but this is crazy talk. Van Halen, AC/DC, Aerosmith, etc would be '70s hard rock. Genesis were prog turned pop.

 
Apple Jack said:
I hate genre-labeling but this is crazy talk. Van Halen, AC/DC, Aerosmith, etc would be '70s hard rock. Genesis were prog turned pop.
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That darn Collins! Genesis and its influence have always been funny to me, actually. I think the laughter was heightened with Sussido by Phil. Overblowingly bad. 

Let's face it. Genesis sucks and we needed new bands. Sincerely, Punk.  

 
If I were to analyze or lift up a Genesis album, Abacab would be somewhere around the 8 slot. Not horrible but, c’mon, just about any other choice pre-1985 would be superior with the Lamb Lies Down in Broadway worthy of a novel’s worth of analysis. That said, I don’t dislike Abacab but I’ve never, ever found myself thinking “you know what, I really want to hear <insert any song from Abacab> right now.”

 
Fiddles said:
example number 201 where GR has the wrong opinion about an album from an amazing band

never fails
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I couldn’t agree with Ghost Rider more here, which makes me wrong, too, I suppose.

 
timschochet said:
Ok.  But even so, if Invisible Touch is ranked higher than Abacab...

I’m not a huge Genesis fan. I chose Abacab bexause (a) a lot of people seem to like it and (b) I like it. Those are usually my only two considerations. There will be other Genesis albums chosen. 

I do disagree with you about hard rock though. We may have a different definition, but the song “Abacab” is in my mind a perfect example of late 70s early 80s hard rock. 
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Hey, if you like the album, have at it. :yes:  

However, just because a band does a song or two in a style doesn't mean they are that style in general.   I mean, we are not going to call The Osmonds hard rock or metal just because of Crazy Horses.  And calling the song Abacab hard rock is a stretch anyway. 

Genesis went from being progressive rock to more of an art rock band in late 70's and early 80's and really didn't go pop in a big way until Invisible Touch, and even that album still had some progressive tunes (albeit with very much an 80's sound and production). 

 
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pecorino said:
If I were to analyze or lift up a Genesis album, Abacab would be somewhere around the 8 slot. Not horrible but, c’mon, just about any other choice pre-1985 would be superior with the Lamb Lies Down in Broadway worthy of a novel’s worth of analysis. That said, I don’t dislike Abacab but I’ve never, ever found myself thinking “you know what, I really want to hear <insert any song from Abacab> right now.”
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Same here. I like songs from it, but none would be in my top tiers of favorite Genesis songs. 

If I am going for a Genesis album, it is usually gonna be Selling England by the Pound, The Lamb, A Trick of the Tail or Duke. 

 
All right I may not know what I’m talking about anyhow. (As usual!) Some progressive rock songs are among what I would personally consider my favorite hard rock songs. There are some Led Zeppelin songs, among my favorites, that sound like prog rock songs (“In the Light” for instance. 

So I get confused. 

One question for Genesis fans: “Man on the Corner” is probably my favorite song by this band. Putting aside the album, is it well thought of? 

 
timschochet said:
All right I may not know what I’m talking about anyhow. (As usual!) Some progressive rock songs are among what I would personally consider my favorite hard rock songs. There are some Led Zeppelin songs, among my favorites, that sound like prog rock songs (“In the Light” for instance. 

So I get confused. 

One question for Genesis fans: “Man on the Corner” is probably my favorite song by this band. Putting aside the album, is it well thought of? 
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Honestly, despite our back and forth semantic disagreement over this, labels annoy me more often than not, because most bands get pigeonholed into one, sometimes unfairly, and then fans get territorial about those bands and sometimes adversarial about bands that are not their favorite subgenre.  LZ definitely had some songs that were progressive, but find a prog rock discussion forum online and I guarantee you'll find some prog rock goobers (see: people who listen to nothing but prog rock) who will push back because they don't feel like Led Zeppelin belongs in their genre.  To me, good music is good music, regardless of what style or genre you want to call it. 

Man on the Corner seems to be well-liked amongst Genesis fans as far as I know, and for me personally, it is my favorite of the three hits from that record. 

 
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timschochet said:
All right I may not know what I’m talking about anyhow. (As usual!) Some progressive rock songs are among what I would personally consider my favorite hard rock songs. There are some Led Zeppelin songs, among my favorites, that sound like prog rock songs (“In the Light” for instance. 

So I get confused. 

One question for Genesis fans: “Man on the Corner” is probably my favorite song by this band. Putting aside the album, is it well thought of? 
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The prog Genesis fans, myself included, don’t think much of Man on the Corner. As alluded to earlier, it might as well have been done by a different band. Anyone who is turned on by Supper’s Ready finds it easy to dismiss pop / mainstream Genesis which includes Man on the Corner (and most of Abacab).

 
pecorino said:
The prog Genesis fans, myself included, don’t think much of Man on the Corner. As alluded to earlier, it might as well have been done by a different band. Anyone who is turned on by Supper’s Ready finds it easy to dismiss pop / mainstream Genesis which includes Man on the Corner (and most of Abacab).
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Not if you're open-minded to all kinds of music. 😎

 
Thin Lizzy- Jailbreak (1976) 

Jailbreak

Angel from the Coast

Running Back

Romeo and the Lonely Girl 

Warrior

The Boys are Back in Town 

Fight or Fall 

Cowboy Song 

Emerald 

One of the great hard rock bands of the 70s, led by the legendary Phil Lynott, and this is provably their finest album. “The Boys Are Back in Town” and “The Cowboy Song” alone make it worth the price of admission, but it’s solid all the way through. Running free with the buffalo- here I go! 

 
Now we're talking - IMO Lizzy is one of the most underappreciated bands of the classic rock era. Agree that this is probably their best studio album, although Live and Dangerous is probably their best overall album - and one of the best live albums ever.

 
Bruce Springsteen: The Wild, The Innocent, & The E Street Shuffle (1973)

The E Street Shuffle

4th of July, Asbury Park (Sandy) 

Kitty’s Back

Wild Billy’s Circus Story

Incident on 57th Street

Rosalita (Come Out Tonight) 

New York City Serenade

In many ways I like this album better than Born to Run. I particularly love Sandy and Rosalita, two songs as good as any he’s ever written. But there’s really no weak tunes here. 

 
timschochet said:
Bruce Springsteen: The Wild, The Innocent, & The E Street Shuffle (1973)

The E Street Shuffle

4th of July, Asbury Park (Sandy) 

Kitty’s Back

Wild Billy’s Circus Story

Incident on 57th Street

Rosalita (Come Out Tonight) 

New York City Serenade

In many ways I like this album better than Born to Run. I particularly love Sandy and Rosalita, two songs as good as any he’s ever written. But there’s really no weak tunes here. 
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Is this PIK95 bait or something?

Top twenty record of all time for me and the E Street Bands best.  It's almost perfection with the first and last tunes SLIGHTLY flawed for me.  Circus Story-Incident-Rosalita is as good as it gets.  

Darkness on the Edge of Town (or Greetings) is my second favorite record by Bruce, but this one is best.

 
timschochet said:
Bruce Springsteen: The Wild, The Innocent, & The E Street Shuffle (1973)

The E Street Shuffle

4th of July, Asbury Park (Sandy) 

Kitty’s Back

Wild Billy’s Circus Story

Incident on 57th Street

Rosalita (Come Out Tonight) 

New York City Serenade

In many ways I like this album better than Born to Run. I particularly love Sandy and Rosalita, two songs as good as any he’s ever written. But there’s really no weak tunes here. 
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Odd, I pulled this cd out of a box in my basement a week or so ago and have it in the 6 disk rotation in my car right now.  I have the vinyl somewhere as well. Side 2 is high on my list for most perfect side of a record in all of rock n roll.  

 
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I took my screen name from the title track. 

Sandy became extra special to me, when I saw them play it in the first concert following Danny's death with Roy playing the accordion. 

Kitty's Back is a great jazz/blues fusion that shows the roots of Bruce's music inspiration. 

Wild Billy’s Circus Story

Incident on 57th Street

Rosalita (Come Out Tonight)      Just straight up great story telling. 

I could never get into New York City Serenade. Other people just love it.  It's the only weak spot on the album IMO Just sounds like like cheap version of "Incident" to me. Maybe that's due to the Album sequencing. I also hate the "Fish Lady" Makes me think of a cheap stinky Jersey Whore. 

 
AC/DC Highway to Hell (1979) 

Highway to Hell

Girls Got Rhythm

Walk All Over You

Touch Too Much

Beating Around the Bush

Shot Down In Flames

Get It Hot 

If You Want Blood (You’ve Got It) 

Love Hungry Man

Night Prowler

Featuring Bon Scott as lead singer in his last days before drinking himself to an early grave. This is a seminal heavy metal album: along with the title song, “Girls Got Rhythm” and “If You Want Blood” are staples. 

 
Love this album. Girls Got Rhythm and Shot Down in Flames probably my favorite. Highway to Hell holds up pretty well for me even though it's overplayed.  Sleepers for me are If you want Blood and Touch Too Much.  None of these songs cause me to hit the skip button tho - maybe the volume up. :headbang:

 
Great record.  I'm not sure it's possible to be a true fan of rock and roll and not love the opening of the title track.  It's not flashy, but that riff is so killer- like the embodiment of what the electric guitar is, was and can be.  I've heard it a thousand times, and I still never tire of it. 

If You Want Blood, Love Hungry Man and Night Prowler are great closers to the album as well. 

 
timschochet said:
Genesis-Abacab (1981) 

Abacab 

No Reply At All 

Me And Sarah Jane

Keep It Dark

Dodo/Lurker

Who Dunnit?

Man on The Corner

Like It Or Not

Another Record

Genesis is basically 3 different bands: the progressive rock band led by Peter Gabriel, the hard rock band led by Phil Collins, and lastly the syrupy soft rock band led by Phil Collins. For now we’ll discuss the middle, hard rock version. We’ll eventually get to the progressive Peter Gabriel version later on. The last version is best forgotten. 

Anyhow Abacab is great hard rock of the early 80s, particularly the opening song, “No Reply At All” and “Man On the Corner”, probably my favorite Genesis song. But the whole album jams.  
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You and I have very different definitions of hard rock

 
My Bloody Valentine- Loveless (1991)

Only Shallow

Loomer 

Touched

To Here Knows When 

When You Sleep 

I Only Said

Come In Alone 

Sometimes

Blown A Wish 

What You Want 

Soon

Shoegazing. Well, this is not my kind of thing, I have to be honest. To me it sounds a little bit like Lou Reed’s old Metal Machine Music. But the amount of work and money that went into this record is very impressive; it’s very much into progressive rock territory. This is serious business time. 

And the critics loved the result. No matter where you look this album is considered one of the very best that the 90s had to offer and a magnum opus for the band. So it looks like I am the philistine. My usual role anyhow. 

 
Loveless is an awesome album. I used Redbubble to turn the cover into my cell phone case because that's how much I like the album (yes, I walk around with a hot pink/red phone case. Tell me I'm wrong. Go ahead).

Anyway, Only Shallow, To Here Knows When, When You Sleep, Soon, and Loomer are touchstones of modern alternative/indie rock. 

My Bloody Valentine is responsible for a lot of post-rock, which I love. 

 
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Highway to Hell is my favorite AC/DC album.   It is packed full of classic songs and the songs that haven't been overplayed are the stars.   

 
rockaction said:
Loveless is an awesome album. I used Redbubble to turn the cover into my cell phone case because that's how much I like the album (yes, I walk around with a hot pink/red phone case. Tell me I'm wrong. Go ahead).

Anyway, Only Shallow, To Here Knows When, When You Sleep, Soon, and Loomer are touchstones of modern alternative/indie rock. 

My Bloody Valentine is responsible for a lot of post-rock, which I love. 
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ok I love this

also this is the best album on acid

 
timschochet said:
My Bloody Valentine- Loveless (1991)

Only Shallow

Loomer 

Touched

To Here Knows When 

When You Sleep 

I Only Said

Come In Alone 

Sometimes

Blown A Wish 

What You Want 

Soon

Shoegazing. Well, this is not my kind of thing, I have to be honest. To me it sounds a little bit like Lou Reed’s old Metal Machine Music. But the amount of work and money that went into this record is very impressive; it’s very much into progressive rock territory. This is serious business time. 

And the critics loved the result. No matter where you look this album is considered one of the very best that the 90s had to offer and a magnum opus for the band. So it looks like I am the philistine. My usual role anyhow. 
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One of my favorite albums and bands.  Yeah, the amount of time of effort our into this album was well worth it.  Their earlier stuff is pretty good too, but it’s not like this album.

Solid EP.  I have this and more if anyone’s interested. 

 
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timschochet said:
My Bloody Valentine- Loveless (1991)

Only Shallow

Loomer 

Touched

To Here Knows When 

When You Sleep 

I Only Said

Come In Alone 

Sometimes

Blown A Wish 

What You Want 

Soon

Shoegazing. Well, this is not my kind of thing, I have to be honest. To me it sounds a little bit like Lou Reed’s old Metal Machine Music. But the amount of work and money that went into this record is very impressive; it’s very much into progressive rock territory. This is serious business time. 

And the critics loved the result. No matter where you look this album is considered one of the very best that the 90s had to offer and a magnum opus for the band. So it looks like I am the philistine. My usual role anyhow. 
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It is astounding to me that I have never heard this album before Tim posted it. I'd heard of it, but somehow, despite this type of record being in my and many of my friends' wheelhouses stylistically, the first time I listened to it was a couple days ago. And it is spectacular. Hearing it for the first time, it sounded to me like something recorded in the mid 90s, not the early 90s. Cutting edge stuff. I love it.

Yaknow how sometimes you wish you could go back and hear an album or song or artist for the first time? For those of you that have been listening to MBV for a lot of years, you can live vicariously through me right now. I'm just beginning my exploration of it, and it's rad. Thanks, @timschochet and @rockaction for posting it and reacting to it, respectively. This sort of thing is why I love the FFA.

 
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Loveless speaks for itself, but Isn't Anything isn't far behind and don't sleep on m b v (a case be made for listening to In Another Way on repeat for the rest of my life). Somehow haven't gotten around to the EPs.

 
U2- Achtung Baby (1991) 

Zoo Station 

Even Better Than the Real Thing 

One 

Until the End of the World

Who’s Gonna Ride Your Wild Horses

So Cruel

The Fly 

Mysterious Ways

Tryin’ to Throw Your Arms Around the World

Ultra Violet (Light My Way) 

Acrobat

Love Is Blindness 

Earlier in this thread we reviewed The Joshua Tree, which I had always assumed was this band’s signature album (and, as a casual fan, contains most of my favorite songs from them aside from some very early stuff.) But as it turns out, many critics and fans seem to like this one from 1991 better. Brian Eno returns as producer and there are some hits here, like “One” and “Mysterious Ways”. As I wrote I’m a casual fan which means I enjoy listening to the well known material. Hopefully some of their more serious fans can chime in here and offer some commentary.

 
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