Doug B
Footballguy
When you posted earlier on about enjoying the interplay and transition between acoustics and electric guitars on some classic rock tracks, I immediately thought of Heart: Crazy on You , Love Alive.
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Classic Album Discussion Thread: The Kinks-Lola Versus Powerman and the Moneygoround, Pt. 1 (1 Viewer)
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Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
In honor of Spinal Tap I went to 11. I have a tremendously difficult time narrowing it down, and tomorrow the list could be different but my top 10 (11) favorite classic rock albums:
Tommy – The Who
Exile on Main Street – The Rolling Stones
Pet Sounds – The Beach Boys
Blood on the Tracks – Bob Dylan
Revolver – The Beatles
Animals – Pink Floyd
Layla (and other Assorted Love Songs) – Derek and the Dominoes
Shootout at the Fantasy Factory – Traffic
Working Man’s Dead – The Grateful Dead
Hunky Dory – David Bowie
A Night At the Opera – Queen
Tommy – The Who
Exile on Main Street – The Rolling Stones
Pet Sounds – The Beach Boys
Blood on the Tracks – Bob Dylan
Revolver – The Beatles
Animals – Pink Floyd
Layla (and other Assorted Love Songs) – Derek and the Dominoes
Shootout at the Fantasy Factory – Traffic
Working Man’s Dead – The Grateful Dead
Hunky Dory – David Bowie
A Night At the Opera – Queen
jwb
Footballguy
Where do some of the "prog" bands fit here? YES (just saw them last week - really good), ELP, Rush, Genesis, etc? They all have a few songs that get played heavily on any station that calls itself Classic Rock. But so do the Cars, and there's clearly a debate about them.
As far as older bands making good music, Rush's last few albums were quality.
As far as older bands making good music, Rush's last few albums were quality.
Doug B
Footballguy
I can still enjoy Passionworks or Heart, though both have some skippable filler.
Bad Animals was a substantial step down, basically being only two tracks deep.
DocHolliday
Footballguy
Love the thread idea since I love rock music.
As a heavy metal kid, I hated classic rock except for the heavy hitters like Zep and Aerosmith. My parents listened to classic rock at home and in the car so I heard my share though.
Eventually though, I did come to appreciate a lot of classic rock and Boston Boston is one of my favorite classic rock albums. "Side 1" is one of the best sides of music ever. I listen to it at least once a month and sometimes almost weekly. Some people don't like Boston Boston because it is so polished sounding but that is probably why I like it. It feels right for the music.
While I really like a lot of Heart songs, I do not like them enough to have ever bought any of their music. Wilson's vocals are killer and Heart did write some great songs.
As a heavy metal kid, I hated classic rock except for the heavy hitters like Zep and Aerosmith. My parents listened to classic rock at home and in the car so I heard my share though.
Eventually though, I did come to appreciate a lot of classic rock and Boston Boston is one of my favorite classic rock albums. "Side 1" is one of the best sides of music ever. I listen to it at least once a month and sometimes almost weekly. Some people don't like Boston Boston because it is so polished sounding but that is probably why I like it. It feels right for the music.
While I really like a lot of Heart songs, I do not like them enough to have ever bought any of their music. Wilson's vocals are killer and Heart did write some great songs.
timschochet
Footballguy
That’s a great list.
Rubber Soul is more pop for me than classic rock, but that may be due to radio programming.
In my younger days, local FM radio had classic rock or hard rock stations and “oldies” stations. Anything by the Beatles that was prior to Sgt Pepper was consigned to the “oldies” stations. Classic rock begins with Sgt Pepper (or perhaps with Bob Dylan’s “Like a Rolling Stone” from 1966.)
this would exclude Pet Sounds as well. Now I don’t know why this is; in retrospect it seems very arbritrary. But the stations did have their rules.
timschochet
Footballguy
I love all of these albums with the exception of Animals. Never really got into that.
timschochet
Footballguy
Ilov80s
Footballguy
I wasn't sure what to do with Dylan- is it classic rock? Is it folk rock? I wasn't exactly sure so I left him off.
rockaction
Footballguy
I never heard Pet Sounds on the classic rock stations where I lived. That was an oldies record, as brilliant as it was. I write this not to contradict Dr. Octopus, but to cement its legacy outside of classic rock, which I grew up just loathing.
It's weird to be in a classic rock thread when you grew up worshipping Johnny Rotten for wearing an "I hate Pink Floyd" handmade t-shirt. God, did I ever hate the hicks at my school for listening to classic rock. I've mellowed over time.
I can remember hearing "I Can See For Miles" and asking my friend who that was because it was awesome. He thought I was kidding.
It's weird to be in a classic rock thread when you grew up worshipping Johnny Rotten for wearing an "I hate Pink Floyd" handmade t-shirt. God, did I ever hate the hicks at my school for listening to classic rock. I've mellowed over time.
I can remember hearing "I Can See For Miles" and asking my friend who that was because it was awesome. He thought I was kidding.
HellToupee
Footballguy
wikkidpissah
Footballguy
I have 'insides' on timmy's first 3 topics (known Cars keyboardist Greg Hawkes since '71 @ Berklee - def new wave, but Ben Orr muddied that a bit) and i can tell you there was NO Svengali to anything the Wilson Sisters have done. Worked & talked extensively with their drummer from high school and, even though they had a folk orientation starting out it was because they didnt conceive going anywhere near past that successfully and that practicewise they were in charge of every note. Bands flesh out songs, if the songwriters were men this wouldnt be an issue.
jwb
Footballguy
Yea, this still seems to be the case. XM's "Classic Vinyl" doesn't play any early Beatles stuff - that goes on the "60's" channel (or the Beatles Channel).
Except the Rolling Stones - earlier Stones stuff makes the cut for some reason.
HellToupee
Footballguy
Hated Punk Floyd mainly from The Wall . A few months ago I listened to the Wish You Were Here album for the 1st time . Love it . Always liked the song but never gave it a listen but because of Spotify I could give it a try
timschochet
Footballguy
Well let’s consider how AOR dealt with him.
In my memory, exactly two songs got radio play during the AOR era: “Like a Rolling Stone” and “Knocking On Heavens Door”. And that’s it. Any other Dylan tune was consigned to oldies. “Lay Lady Lay”, which was written AFTER “Rolling Stone”, was played on the oldies station.
HellToupee
Footballguy
Don’t know if I spelled it Punk as a Freudian slip or not
rockaction
Footballguy
Do you think you can tell...heaven from hell...blue skies from pain.
Love that lyric, too.
Ilov80s
Footballguy
Yeah, Beach Boys were always grouped in with oldies around here. Pet Sounds isn't really rock- it is pop imo.
timschochet
Footballguy
I defer to your knowledge, WP but in praising Fisher I wasn’t trying to detract from the Wilson’s in any way. I just love his guitar work, particularly on Magic Man, which reminds me strongly of “Whole Lotta Love” (deliberately)?
rockaction
Footballguy
Can you imagine being seventeen and hearing the DJ come on the radio and tell you you're about to get another "rock block" while you reach for the cassette -- likely Jane's Addiction or Lou Reed -- at your control?
Yeah, that's my year of 1991 in my first ride in high school when I was cool. Now I've mellowed. Love the rock blocks. Better than mumblecore or 25 hits in the top 100 from one album.
Yeah, that's my year of 1991 in my first ride in high school when I was cool. Now I've mellowed. Love the rock blocks. Better than mumblecore or 25 hits in the top 100 from one album.
timschochet
Footballguy
Here are some other performers that are not truly considered “classic rock” yet got a song or two on classic rock stations:
Jimmy Buffet- Margaritaville
Linda Ronstadt- You’re No Good
The Hollies- Long Cool Woman
That’s just off the top of my head. There are probably lotof other examples.
Jimmy Buffet- Margaritaville
Linda Ronstadt- You’re No Good
The Hollies- Long Cool Woman
That’s just off the top of my head. There are probably lotof other examples.
timschochet
Footballguy
And Lou Reed- Walk on the Wild Side. Thanks to rockaction for reminding me.
timschochet
Footballguy
HellToupee
Footballguy
Haven’t heard any of these on classic rock in Boston. I’d be shocked to hear Buffet on the format anywhere
timschochet
Footballguy
You’ve never heard Margaritaville on your classic rock station? That surprises me. It’s a staple here.
rockaction
Footballguy
I've def heard Buffet on c-rock stations. No other way I hear of him, unless it's on 91.1 off the dial ####e.
Fish, baby, fish! GIANT TUNA!
HellToupee
Footballguy
On oldies and adult stations but not on Boston’s classic rock station. I hear Buffet mixed in on my wife’s country stations
rockaction
Footballguy
Can we make this a catch-all for all things radio, because I have some bowels of the dial I'd like to discuss?
This is all 95-98 or 101-107 FM stuff. There's some gorgeous stuff out there on the dials.
This is all 95-98 or 101-107 FM stuff. There's some gorgeous stuff out there on the dials.
HellToupee
Footballguy
It’s funny how locations have differences.Heard him on 105 & 106 in Boston but definitely not 100.7
timschochet
Footballguy
I’d prefer not. I’m trying not to be a stickler on Rules but let’s at least try to keep this about classic rock, whatever that means.
Doug B
Footballguy
There are classic rock stations that lean toward "soft rock" a bit -- you'll hear "Margaritaville", lighter Eagles and Fleetwood Mac cuts, Bob Welch, Seals & Croft, etc.
There are also the opposite -- classic rock stations that lean hard, which seem to have driven most of the lighter stations off the dial (or else into repackaged formats that drop the 'classic rock' label). Classic rock stations around here now have plenty of Kiss, Rainbow, Def Leppard, and 80s hair metal. They've also incorporated 90s grunge in small doses.
rockaction
Footballguy
Tim, I'm kidding. I'm literally LOL'ing right now
. I'm ####in' around. Can you imagine me trying to start a thread around here about the bowels of the radio and how many hits that would get? I'm thinking television preachers and R&B, and you've gone AOR rock.
rockaction
Footballguy
COLLEGE RADIO STARTS AT ABOUT 88 ON YOUR FM DIAL.
ADJUST ACCORDINGLY.
ADJUST ACCORDINGLY.
timschochet
Footballguy
IMO the “hard rock” factor of the Carpenters disappeared after Karen relinquished her drumming duties. That’s why we don’t include them in this genre.Tim, I'm kidding. I'm literally LOL'ing right now
HellToupee
Footballguy
WERS , 88.9 is Emerson college radio. When FNX took the dirt nap they went big time in the morning from 6-10 , totally eclectic, classic rock and punk and current stuff that’s ignored today . After that you might get acapella/Jewish folk or just about anything.
wikkidpissah
Footballguy
no doubt. it''s just that having worked with several female rock crossover artists of that era, i pounce on any hint that they were manmade in any way. quite the opposite was true in most cases - i knew female artists whose careers were destroyed by standing their ground on how they wanted to cross over and many more who got pigeonholed by is-she-the-new-Janis? or can-she-be-the-next-Ronstadt bull####, not to mention "turdpolish"ing producers they had to fight past to get their sound right.
HellToupee
Footballguy
Tim do you listen to Jonsey’s Jukebox on klos?
timschochet
Footballguy
I once wrote a prog song, back in high school. It was called “Eye of the August Moon: You Were the First Centurion Part 17”. There was going to be a 55 minute drum solo.
timschochet
Footballguy
rockaction
Footballguy
I think my cousin's kid goes to Emerson. He's self-declared as gay but they don't necessarily believe it. My friend went to Emerson. Her friend was gay.
Film school, right?
88.9!
timschochet
Footballguy
timschochet
Footballguy
I’ve read plenty about that.
As much as I’m not especially a fan of her musical choices, you have to credit Madonna for essentially breaking all the rules that women had to deal with in the music business. She changed the way things were done.
Hopefully this isn't mucking the thread, and not really relevant to anything, but i remember my small group of tight friends who were music "purists" (I guess that's as good a descriptor as anything). To these guys (who had a garage band and played at graduation parties) only guitar rock was legitimate music. They mercilessly mocked anything else.
I started college with these guys-roomed together-and our first time going into the college pub (right in the dorm complex) we saw all these NYC/LI kids out dancing to "Rock Lobster". I had never heard such a thing. Out in the sticks where we grew up they didn't play that kind of music. We listened to all the classic rock bands, Cream, Yardbirds, etc. Talk about culture shock. This was 1980, I believe that was roughly when "New Wave" became a thing.
One of these friends became kind of a hard core punk rock guy a few years later, black leather, Mohawk.
I started college with these guys-roomed together-and our first time going into the college pub (right in the dorm complex) we saw all these NYC/LI kids out dancing to "Rock Lobster". I had never heard such a thing. Out in the sticks where we grew up they didn't play that kind of music. We listened to all the classic rock bands, Cream, Yardbirds, etc. Talk about culture shock. This was 1980, I believe that was roughly when "New Wave" became a thing.
One of these friends became kind of a hard core punk rock guy a few years later, black leather, Mohawk.
Ilov80s
Footballguy
I feel like the Detroit station mixed all of that it. We got Sabbath, VH, Eagles, Seals + Croft.
HellToupee
Footballguy
So I just gave this album a listen while working for the 1st time. I don’t get it , was familiar with the 2 hits , I like Sing Child Simg but other than those 3 songs I’m not a fan. Now granted it was only one listen while multitasking. What is the deal with the ocean sounds on a few songs, was this some concept attempt?
You can
hear the Wilson sisters talent shine through
You can
hear the Wilson sisters talent shine through
Grace Under Pressure
Footballguy
Solid album. Hitch a Ride is a great track and also my favorite. More Than a Feeling is iconic classic rock, in that it was a great tune and seriously overplayed.timschochet said:
Also, great use of the "clap machine" (forgive my ignorance on how they added the clapping on those tracks).
I liked this album but MTAF was sooo overplayed from the get-go. I got tired of it pretty quickly (and this is from someone who still isn't tired of Stairway to Heaven). My favorite Boston song is "A Man I'll Never Be" which likely puts me on an island. It's actually the only Boston song I have on my YouTube list and I still blast it in my garage almost weekly when I'm out listening to music.
Doug B
Footballguy
timschochet
Footballguy
Next up, from 1975:
Queen- A Night At the Opera
Side One
Death on Two Legs
Lazing on A Sunday Afternoon
I'm In Love With My Car
You're My Best Friend
39
Sweet Lady
Seaside Rendezvous
Side Two
The Prophet's Song
Love of My Life
Good Company
Bohemian Rhapsody
God Save the Queen
I'll offer the Allmusic write up for this one:
Queen were straining at the boundaries of hard rock and heavy metal on Sheer Heart Attack, but they broke down all the barricades on A Night at the Opera, a self-consciously ridiculous and overblown hard rock masterpiece. Using the multi-layered guitars of its predecessor as a foundation, A Night at the Opera encompasses metal ("Death on Two Legs," "Sweet Lady"), pop (the lovely, shimmering "You're My Best Friend"), campy British music hall ("Lazing on a Sunday Afternoon," "Seaside Rendezvous"), and mystical prog rock ("'39," "The Prophet's Song"), eventually bringing it all together on the pseudo-operatic "Bohemian Rhapsody." In short, it's a lot like Queen's own version of Led Zeppelin IV, but where Zep find dark menace in bombast, Queen celebrate their own pomposity. No one in the band takes anything too seriously, otherwise the arrangements wouldn't be as ludicrously exaggerated as they are. But the appeal -- and the influence -- of A Night at the Opera is in its detailed, meticulous productions. It's prog rock with a sense of humor as well as dynamics, and Queen never bettered their approach anywhere else.
There's a lot more to say about this, especially in regards to the individual songs. I'll offer my thoughts, as I can, throughout the day.
Queen- A Night At the Opera
Side One
Death on Two Legs
Lazing on A Sunday Afternoon
I'm In Love With My Car
You're My Best Friend
39
Sweet Lady
Seaside Rendezvous
Side Two
The Prophet's Song
Love of My Life
Good Company
Bohemian Rhapsody
God Save the Queen
I'll offer the Allmusic write up for this one:
Queen were straining at the boundaries of hard rock and heavy metal on Sheer Heart Attack, but they broke down all the barricades on A Night at the Opera, a self-consciously ridiculous and overblown hard rock masterpiece. Using the multi-layered guitars of its predecessor as a foundation, A Night at the Opera encompasses metal ("Death on Two Legs," "Sweet Lady"), pop (the lovely, shimmering "You're My Best Friend"), campy British music hall ("Lazing on a Sunday Afternoon," "Seaside Rendezvous"), and mystical prog rock ("'39," "The Prophet's Song"), eventually bringing it all together on the pseudo-operatic "Bohemian Rhapsody." In short, it's a lot like Queen's own version of Led Zeppelin IV, but where Zep find dark menace in bombast, Queen celebrate their own pomposity. No one in the band takes anything too seriously, otherwise the arrangements wouldn't be as ludicrously exaggerated as they are. But the appeal -- and the influence -- of A Night at the Opera is in its detailed, meticulous productions. It's prog rock with a sense of humor as well as dynamics, and Queen never bettered their approach anywhere else.
There's a lot more to say about this, especially in regards to the individual songs. I'll offer my thoughts, as I can, throughout the day.
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