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Classic Album Discussion Thread: The Kinks-Lola Versus Powerman and the Moneygoround, Pt. 1 (2 Viewers)

timschochet said:
I’ve told this story before but it’s been a few years: although I know next to nothing about hair bands I did know Don Dokken in a way, briefly. My girlfriend (who is now my wife)’s good friend dated him for a while- this was around 1993 and I think he was already considered washed up. But she was a looker- her name was Marie and she thought she was in love with him. 

Anyhow one night Marie comes over to our apartment in tears- she got into a big fight with Dokken! She asked if she could spend the night wouldn’t say what it was about. Then the phone rings, I pick it up and this guy says “Hi uh this is Don, is Marie there?” So she gets on the phone with him and they have a screaming match, and she keeps saying “Yes I love you but I’m not interested in that! Why do you keep asking me? I’m not going to do that! I don’t care that you’re going on tour tomorrow  Don if you love me I’ll come over but I won’t do that, OK!”

She got off the phone and told us that Don wanted to have a threesome with Marie and some other girl tonight, and that if she wasn’t into that she didn’t really love him. My wife yelled and scolded her, but I’m afraid I might have smirked because my wife yelled at me and sent me out of the room- like it was my fault! Marie didn’t end up spending the night so I assume she went to see Don- never did learn what happened next. We lost touch with her after that. 
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Eephus said:
Most people know Screaming Trees for their song on Singles.  I'm sure the soundtrack outsold all the band's other records put together.

Their final album "Dust" is their masterpiece and one of the finest records of the decade.  It was released in 1996 well after Grunge's moment.  The sound has much more in common with 70s classic rock than Grunge.  It rocks hard but it also packed with melodic hooks and Mark Lanegan's sweet vocals.
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I'll check it out.

 
Eephus said:
I hold this truth to be self evident, Screaming Trees were the best band to come out of the early 90s Seattle scene
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I've got to disagree with you there, although I appreciate the outlier opinion. Soundgarden>AIC>Nirvana>PJ (Not that we need to get into THAT debate).

Mark Lanegan>>>>>>Screaming Trees. 

 
rockaction said:
Mark Arm stuffs records for Sub Pop still, after coming down from a heroin addiction. Sort of sad, but it's great the label has picked him up in a way few companies would.  
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I saw Mudhoney at Maxwell’s a small club in Hoboken. They were a little disappointing. Arm’s voice was very bland for one thing....

 
Sullie said:
Graduated in '86 as well, we're effing OLD dude! :)   It's rare I find myself agreeing 100% with anyone such is the case here, I'm in agreement with 99% of what you wrote.  In fac, I listen to GNR still, I really enjoy Nevermind but I never listen to it and when I was 18-19 years old I recall months at a time when my rotation was exclusively Dokken, Maiden, Metallica, Megadeth, Ratt, Ozzy, Priest, VH, etc.  My only difference being I still can't stand White Lion or Poison. . . really hate Poison but Warrant I did and still do kind of like. 

I'm pretty sure, they themselves hated Cherry Pie, it's a dumb song they were forced to put on an otherwise good album and I'm pretty certain they resented it. Down boys is stupid too, never cared for that one either.  However, Uncle Tom's Cabin on the other hand, to me, is one of the most underrated songs of that time.  The first time I heard that song I thought "wow, this is excellent, wait this is the same band that does that stupid cherry pie song, really?"  I do think that song is very well done.
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I graduated in 82, you whipper snappers! :D  I had your same rotation but once bands like Ozzy, Queensryche and even Priest started glamming it up, I went to the dark side with Slayer, Suicidal, Carnivore, Death, Voivod, etc. The heavier the better! To me, GnR was nothing more than a stripped-down glam band, albeit a bit ballsier than most since by that time the ballads were ruling the airwaves. But I loved grunge when it came out, mostly because it put an end to hair bands and was at least listenable on the radio. I liked Nirvana, although I never owned anything from them. Never cared for Pearl Jam but I loved Soundgarden. They stood out to me from the rest.

 
Eephus said:
Most people know Screaming Trees for their song on Singles.  I'm sure the soundtrack outsold all the band's other records put together.

Their final album "Dust" is their masterpiece and one of the finest records of the decade.  It was released in 1996 well after Grunge's moment.  The sound has much more in common with 70s classic rock than Grunge.  It rocks hard but it also packed with melodic hooks and Mark Lanegan's sweet vocals.
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I really liked "Nearly Lost You" enough to pick up the Sweet Oblivion album, which I still like to this day. Never really delved deeper into their collection, so you've intrigued me to give more of it a listen.

 
Dr. Octopus said:
I saw Mudhoney at Maxwell’s a small club in Hoboken. They were a little disappointing. Arm’s voice was very bland for one thing....
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This whole comment intrigues me. First, Mudhoney. Second, Hoboken. Third, that Mark Arm could be anything but amazing. 

But, as you wish. If they underwhelmed, so they did.    

 
I chuckle today when I think about how much influence "media" can have on an impressionable 13 year old....i.e. treating all grunge music as a genre.  Taking the "big 4" from seattle, PJ, Nirvana, Soundgarden and AIC....while they all "broke mainstream" in relatively the same time period; they are extremely different sounding bands. But from being a huge PJ nerd, I've read a fare share about the scene back then, and they were all incredibly supportive of each other and were just genuinely happy that quality music was being made.

Nirvana was a great band and put out multiple great albums...but there's no doubt that once Kurt died, MTV "turned on the hype" even more.  And that's ok with me....always leave them wanting more.

 
rockaction said:
This whole comment intrigues me. First, Mudhoney. Second, Hoboken. Third, that Mark Arm could be anything but amazing. 

But, as you wish. If they underwhelmed, so they did.    
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Hoboken is the birthplace of baseball and Frank Sinatra, is a mere one square mile city and has 100 bars. I saw Mudhoney at Maxwell's sometime in the 90s (not at height of the grunge scene but not that far off it). It's a great venue, restaurant bar off the street and small backroom where the bands play - saw Pete Droge, the Alarm, Meatpuppets, Jayhawks, Alexi Lalas Band (yes the soccer player), J Mascias  (Dinosaur Jr.) among others. Maybe it was a bad night but Mudhoney weren't all that great. From the Seattle grunge scene I saw Soundgarden and Alice in Chains each multiple times and preferred them by a considerable margin.

 
Dr. Octopus said:
Hoboken is the birthplace of baseball and Frank Sinatra, is a mere one square mile city and has 100 bars. I saw Mudhoney at Maxwell's sometime in the 90s (not at height of the grunge scene but not that far off it). It's a great venue, restaurant bar off the street and small backroom where the bands play - saw Pete Droge, the Alarm, Meatpuppets, Jayhawks, Alexi Lalas Band (yes the soccer player), J Mascias  (Dinosaur Jr.) among others. Maybe it was a bad night but Mudhoney weren't all that great. From the Seattle grunge scene I saw Soundgarden and Alice in Chains each multiple times and preferred them by a considerable margin.
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oh and I think I mentioned this before but at the J. Mascias show when he was walking off stage in between his two sets my buddy asked him if he could play "the David Bowie song" (he did a cover of Quicksand on an LP) - and J. looked at him pissy and said "#### David Bowie". Not sure what the deal was with that but it was a little offputting - but I guess that's Rock N' Roll man.

 
timschochet said:
SWC said:
probably but so is defending a rapist i guess that is what im getting at take that to the bank brohan 
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I could explain myself again (I’ve done so dozens of times) but it’s the wrong thread for it. Love you SWC and hope you stick around to discuss the music. 

(Oh and incidentally I hate that cover. Might be my least favorite album cover of all time.) 

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sorry for the post brohan i got some bad news and was in a horrible mood last night and should not have been posting at all my bad take that to the bank 

 
Sullie said:
Graduated in '86 as well, we're effing OLD dude! :)   It's rare I find myself agreeing 100% with anyone such is the case here, I'm in agreement with 99% of what you wrote.  In fac, I listen to GNR still, I really enjoy Nevermind but I never listen to it and when I was 18-19 years old I recall months at a time when my rotation was exclusively Dokken, Maiden, Metallica, Megadeth, Ratt, Ozzy, Priest, VH, etc.  My only difference being I still can't stand White Lion or Poison. . . really hate Poison but Warrant I did and still do kind of like. 

I'm pretty sure, they themselves hated Cherry Pie, it's a dumb song they were forced to put on an otherwise good album and I'm pretty certain they resented it. Down boys is stupid too, never cared for that one either.  However, Uncle Tom's Cabin on the other hand, to me, is one of the most underrated songs of that time.  The first time I heard that song I thought "wow, this is excellent, wait this is the same band that does that stupid cherry pie song, really?"  I do think that song is very well done.
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Yes.  We are old!  And, we have a lot in common.  For the record, I still hate most of Poisons and Warrents material!  And, Cherry Pie is just awful.  It is stupid, cheesy, weak, lacks any musical texture, and is an embarrassment for any band to have made.  Like you, I do like Uncle Tom's Cabin.  And yes, Down Boys is stupid too.  Poison has to have been the luckiest band ever to have made it.  There were so many better bands that didn't make it at all while those jokers got filthy rich and famous for nonsense.  I should clarify my point.  I hated those pop hair bands in the 80s and made fun of people that liked them.  Now, I enjoy a few songs by those bands that I despised.  I don't know what is wrong with me?! 

 
J. Mascis and I share a story, too. It was weird. I looked at him and Lou Barlow, and he looked at me and said "that's right" because I knew they'd had problems in the past. Mascis will engage you, I guess. Looked right at me and said it. It was weird. But cool, in a way.  

 
Carole King- Tapestry- 1971

I Feel the Earth Move

So Far Away

Its Too Late

Home Again

Beautiful

Way Over Yonder

You’ve Got A Friend

Where You Lead

Will You Love Me Tomorrow? 

Smackwater Jack

Tapestry

(You Make Me Feel Like) A Natural Woman

At times this record sounds like it’s just Carole and her piano, and that’s just fine. In fact it’s superb. But on most of the songs she had help: James Taylor, Joni Mitchell and Merry Clayton singing backup vocals (Clayton was the female vocalist on the Stones’ “Gimme Shelter”) and s band that included some of the best session musicians ever, such as guitarist Danny Kortchmar and drummer Russ Kunkel. 

Again though, it could have been just Carole. She had been concerned about a second career as a performing artist (after having been, along with her husband, one of the most successful songwriters of the 60s) because she couldn’t sing. Her first album, Songwriter, sounded a bit uneven perhaps because of this uncertainty. But on Tapestry she sings with confidence and her lack of lack of vocal training adds to its authenticity. She sounds beautiful. 

 
Dr. Octopus said:
If they ever do a Broadway show about her, that's what they should name ii.
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Currently at the Pantages in Los Angeles. I should probably go see it but I’ve been tied up. 

I haven’t really been impressed by these numerous Broadway efforts to regurgitate popular music of the past- but this one has won a lot of awards. 

 
Major blindspot for me- never listened to it. I am having a beer getting some sun, is this a good album for that? 

 
Ilov80s said:
Major blindspot for me- never listened to it. I am having a beer getting some sun, is this a good album for that? 
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I think so, but I love this album. It's fairly mellow, though - especially in comparison to the other albums tim has posted. 

 
timschochet said:
I’m betting you’ll recognize a lot of the music. It’s not like these songs haven’t had exposure. Many of them have been entrenched in our collective memories for almost 5 decades now. 
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Song 1- Yeah, I can sing a long the entire way, Never really knew who sang the song. Great start.

 
Ilov80s said:
Song 1- Yeah, I can sing a long the entire way, Never really knew who sang the song. Great start.
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It’s gets better. Or at least just as good. 

Its exciting to have someone listen to Tapestry for the first time. Like exposing a kid to Disneyland. Please share your thoughts with us. 

 
timschochet said:
It’s gets better. Or at least just as good. 

Its exciting to have someone listen to Tapestry for the first time. Like exposing a kid to Disneyland. Please share your thoughts with us. 
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Rinse wash and repeat my comments for song 1 on to songs 2 and 3. Kind of gives me a Van Morrison vibe. 

 
I almost feel like I have heard this album pkayed before and just assumed it was a Greatest Hits album because the songs are all so familiar. 

 
For those who don’t know, Tapestry was produced by Lou Adler, the weird looking guy with sunglasses who sits next to Jack Nicholson at every Lakers game. Adler’s other big claim to fame is that he was the director of the film Cheech and Chong’s Up in Smoke. 

 
In looking up Adler’s biography, I just read something I did not know: while traveling in London in the early 70s, Adler saw The Rocky Horror Show in a rundown theater, immediately bought the rights to it, and executive- produced the film, in which he added the word “picture” to the title. Amazing guy. 

 
timschochet said:
For those who don’t know, Tapestry was produced by Lou Adler, the weird looking guy with sunglasses who sits next to Jack Nicholson at every Lakers game. Adler’s other big claim to fame is that he was the director of the film Cheech and Chong’s Up in Smoke. 
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Weird combo of work. What is the current equivalent? The showrunner for Mad Men is also the ghost writer for Cardi B?

 
cap'n grunge said:
I'm mostly kidding. Natural Woman is pretty shlocky though.
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For me, popular music doesn’t get any better than Carole King sitting down at a piano and singing Natural Woman. 

When my soul was in the Lost and Found, you came along to claim it

Thats as good as it gets. 

 
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timschochet said:
For me, popular music doesn’t get any better than Carole King sitting down at a piano and singing Natural Woman. 

When my soul was in the Lost and Found, you came along to claim it

Thats as good as it gets. 
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I'm gonna second-up cap'n here, but it's still a great song.  

 
IF we had signatures I'm guessing someone would use the following to mock me.  But I don't really care.

I always considered Nirvana massively overrated and never got the love for Cobain.  At all.  Most of their songs sound like nails on a chalkboard to me.

Tapestry is one of the greatest albums every written.

:scared:  

 
Yankee23Fan said:
IF we had signatures I'm guessing someone would use the following to mock me.  But I don't really care.

I always considered Nirvana massively overrated and never got the love for Cobain.  At all.  Most of their songs sound like nails on a chalkboard to me.

Tapestry is one of the greatest albums every written.

:scared:  
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Witch! Burn the witch!

 
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