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Classic Album Discussion Thread: The Kinks-Lola Versus Powerman and the Moneygoround, Pt. 1 (1 Viewer)
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zamboni
Footballguy
Good call leaving it out - beyond Janis’s powerhouse vocals and a great album cover, it is pretty average. Good for the times though.
timschochet
Footballguy
As would I.
Its interesting to recall, following the death of Aretha, that famous rock critic Dave Marsh once wrote that her version of “Bridge” demonstrated the “weakness” of the original recording- but I disagree. Aretha is great as usual, and she recognized the gospel nature of the song, but I don’t think she quite equaled the perfection of the original.
Supposedly Simon was peeved for years after that Garfunkel sang it.
Yankee23Fan
Fair Tax!
There are several - not a ton, but a decent amount - of songs that are just absolutely required of any piano player to be able to sit down and play. And with that, the people around you will instinctively start to just sing the song with the piano are stop to listen to it.
Bridge Over Troubled Water is one of those songs. Every time I have ever played it with any number of other people in the room, even home with just my wife, they will begin to sing that song and enjoy the moment. It is one of the most perfect songs ever written.
Bull Dozier
Footballguy
Binky The Doormat
Footballguy
Always liked Cecelia, but I'd have to go for "The Boxer" as my favorite. My parents had the album and before I really started to buy music I would listen to this album a lot as a grade schooler on one of these bad boys that was prominently displayed in our foyer.
Ilov80s
Footballguy
Hallelujah doesn't do it for you?
All good, music is subjective though. It happens, there are huge albums that I don't care for as well.
Bull Dozier
Footballguy
Well, that was the one song I knew well thanks to it being overplayed at Christmastime. It is ok, but I don't think highly enough of it to want to keep listening to the rest to know it better. A lot of the album sounds the same which isn't horrible, but just not overly interesting to me.
You're right, music is subjectively, and as always there is no right and won't here.
Ilov80s
Footballguy
I admit that there may be some influence coming from the history behind the album and maybe that has influenced it's standing. I really do love it though. Anyway sorry to interupt Tim.
skycriesmary
Climbing up the Walls
Anthrax shot their wad on Among the Living. It was a great album, and their only that stood up to the titans around them like Metallica, Slayer, Testament, etc. Spreading the disease had it's moments, but other albums? Not so much.DocHolliday said:
jamny
Footballguy
It is funny how Anthrax gets included into "The Big Four" solely on Among the Living. Timing is everything!
Brunell4MVP
Footballguy
Bridge Over Troubled Water as an album is not great. But the title track is among the best 5 slower songs ever written and Garfunkel's voice is pure. The Boxer is a wonderful song. Cecelia isn't my favorite but I know a lot of people like it.
Verdict - The album is a B, but two of the tracks are A+
I will add that Bookends is their better album.
Verdict - The album is a B, but two of the tracks are A+
I will add that Bookends is their better album.
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Ghost Rider
Footballguy
S&G tend to be more of a compilations artist for me rather than an album one, but there is denying their greatness. Some of their best songs are on Bridge...
As for Master of Puppets, its greatness goes without saying. I didn't hear until 1996, but even then it kicked my ###. It manages to be both heavy as hell and melodic, which is not easy to pull off.
As for Master of Puppets, its greatness goes without saying. I didn't hear until 1996, but even then it kicked my ###. It manages to be both heavy as hell and melodic, which is not easy to pull off.
Leroy Hoard
Footballguy
I'd like to hear a combo of the two above albums, Master of Troubled Waters.
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Jefferson the Caregiver
Rebel Without A Pause
I can say that about Escape but the great songs on Ride the Lightning are better than the great songs on Master of Puppets and that's why I prefer RTL.
Fade to Black>Welcome Home {Sanitarium}
For Whom the Bell Tolls> Master of Puppets
Creeping Death>Damage,Inc
Call of Ktulu>Orion
MOP gets the rest
I'll give Battery>Fight Fire with Fire but that ones close
And Disposable Heroes>>Trapped Under Ice
The Thing That Should Not Be>Ride the Lightning
Leper Messiah>>>>>>>>Escape {one of the worst Metallica songs ever written}
timschochet
Footballguy
Frank Sinatra- Ultimate Sinatra (2015)
I’ve Got the World on a String
Young At Heart
In the Wee Small Hours Of the Morning
Learnin’ the Blues
Love and Marriage
Witchcraft
All The Way
Come Fly With Me
One for My Baby
The Way You Look Tonight
My Kind Of Town
Fly Me To the Moon
It Was a Very Good Year
Strangers In the Night
Summer Wind
That’s Life
My Way
Theme from “New York, New York”
I considered one of the classic Nelson Riddle albums from the mid 50s, such as Songs for Swingin’ Lovers or In the Wee Small Hours, but in the end I decided that this collection, issued on Ol’ Blue Eyes’ 100th birthday in 2015 would be more representative.
I would never suggest that Sinatra was the best vocalist among his contemporaries, but there is a certain wistfulness to his interpretation of songs like “Fly Me to the Moon” and “It Was a Very Good Year” that has never been repeated. It is a close contest between Frank, Elvis, and Michael Jackson as to who is the defining American singing artist of the 20th century. I think Sinatra wins- barely. But that’s certainly a subjective opinion.
I’ve Got the World on a String
Young At Heart
In the Wee Small Hours Of the Morning
Learnin’ the Blues
Love and Marriage
Witchcraft
All The Way
Come Fly With Me
One for My Baby
The Way You Look Tonight
My Kind Of Town
Fly Me To the Moon
It Was a Very Good Year
Strangers In the Night
Summer Wind
That’s Life
My Way
Theme from “New York, New York”
I considered one of the classic Nelson Riddle albums from the mid 50s, such as Songs for Swingin’ Lovers or In the Wee Small Hours, but in the end I decided that this collection, issued on Ol’ Blue Eyes’ 100th birthday in 2015 would be more representative.
I would never suggest that Sinatra was the best vocalist among his contemporaries, but there is a certain wistfulness to his interpretation of songs like “Fly Me to the Moon” and “It Was a Very Good Year” that has never been repeated. It is a close contest between Frank, Elvis, and Michael Jackson as to who is the defining American singing artist of the 20th century. I think Sinatra wins- barely. But that’s certainly a subjective opinion.
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Eephus
Footballguy
You should have picked one of Sinatra's real albums. He was one of the early innovators of the LP record album as an art form. Sinatra was doing concept albums like September of my Years while rock n roll albums were haphazard collections of songs thrown together with limited input from the performer.
timschochet
Footballguy
As I wrote, I considered it. But I figured that in the end not enough people here would have heard them, and conversation would have been focused on the hits anyhow.
Eephus
Footballguy
Unfortunately, his 1970 concept album Watertown is off Spotify at the moment but there's a Youtube playlist of it..
It's a song cycle written by Bob Gaudio of the Four Seasons about a middle aged man in Watertown, NY whose wife has left him. It has much more of a 60s pop sound than his more familiar material. It's well worth a listen if you've never heard it. Sinatra was 55 at the time but still in excellent voice. Even though he didn't write his own material, he was one of the great singing storytellers.
Eephus
Footballguy
Sinatra's last epic album is his 1980 three album set "Trilogy: Past Present Future". As the title suggests, two of the records are devoted to past standards and current pop material (including his final big hit "Theme from NY NY". The Present record is the better of the two IMO although his song readings sometimes get into Joe Piscopo territory (exhibit A - Billy Joel's "Just the Way You Are")
But the third record is the remarkable one. It's a futuristic concept album involving space travel that's beautifully orchestrated at times but otherwise completely unhinged. It's Sinatra's "Sandinista!" and it must be heard to be believed.
But the third record is the remarkable one. It's a futuristic concept album involving space travel that's beautifully orchestrated at times but otherwise completely unhinged. It's Sinatra's "Sandinista!" and it must be heard to be believed.
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Eephus
Footballguy
I'll pimp one more album and give the thread back to Tim's compilation.
His 1967 bossa nova album "Francis Albert Sinatra & Antônio Carlos Jobim" is as cool as an ocean breeze. Sinatra's singing is wonderfully understated and intimate.
Sinatra made all three albums I've spotlighted while in his 50s and 60s. The conventional wisdom is that Frankie had lost his touch by the rock era. His late career records have their share of Elvis jumpsuit moments but there are some real gems in his catalog.
His 1967 bossa nova album "Francis Albert Sinatra & Antônio Carlos Jobim" is as cool as an ocean breeze. Sinatra's singing is wonderfully understated and intimate.
Sinatra made all three albums I've spotlighted while in his 50s and 60s. The conventional wisdom is that Frankie had lost his touch by the rock era. His late career records have their share of Elvis jumpsuit moments but there are some real gems in his catalog.
timschochet
Footballguy
Nipsey
Footballguy
Stuart Ullman
Footballguy
I recently learned that in the Bon Jovi song "It's My Life".
The lyrics, "Like Frankie said, I did it my way" is in reference to Frank Sinatra.
The lyrics, "Like Frankie said, I did it my way" is in reference to Frank Sinatra.
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
There’s something about listening to Frank that transports you back to a simpler time. I have a couple of discs that are not in heavy roatation but it’s nice to throw one on while relaxing in the backyard with a glass of wine.
He was a cool dude with a great voice that knew how to deliver a song. Some of the backing instrumentals are pretty intracite and symphonic. There isn’t much like it and when there is it’s usually a pale imitation.
He was a cool dude with a great voice that knew how to deliver a song. Some of the backing instrumentals are pretty intracite and symphonic. There isn’t much like it and when there is it’s usually a pale imitation.
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JuniorGong
Footballguy
Stuart Ullman said:
timschochet
Footballguy
Stuart Ullman said:
Leroy Hoard
Footballguy
I always thought it was about this Frank.Stuart Ullman said:
http://rockyhorror.wikia.com/wiki/Frank-N-Furter
DocHolliday
Footballguy
Well said. Sinatra was such a smooth guy and there will never be another like him.
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
Joe Mammy
Footballguy
How did "Drinking Again" get left off of Ultimate Sinatra?
Drinkin' again and thinkin' of when, when you loved me
I'm havin' a few and wishin' that you were here
Makin' the rounds, accepting a round from strangers
Bein' a fool just hopin' that you'll appear
Sure, I can borrow a smoke, maybe tell some joker a bad joke
But nobody laughs, they don't laugh at a broken heart
Oh, yeah, I'm drinkin' again, it's always the same
That same old story
After the kicks there's little old mixed-up me
Tryin' to lose a dream that used to be
Look at me, I'm drinkin' again, drinkin' all over town
Yeah, I'm drinkin' again
Drinkin' again and thinkin' of when, when you loved me
I'm havin' a few and wishin' that you were here
Makin' the rounds, accepting a round from strangers
Bein' a fool just hopin' that you'll appear
Sure, I can borrow a smoke, maybe tell some joker a bad joke
But nobody laughs, they don't laugh at a broken heart
Oh, yeah, I'm drinkin' again, it's always the same
That same old story
After the kicks there's little old mixed-up me
Tryin' to lose a dream that used to be
Look at me, I'm drinkin' again, drinkin' all over town
Yeah, I'm drinkin' again
Ilov80s
Footballguy
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
Obviously he's not on Frank's level, but I think he's a pretty talented entertainer even though I don't really listen to his music intentionally. He's pretty good in comedy roles but not sure I've ever seen him in a straight dramatic role. He did a good "Woody Allen" in the most recent Woody Allen movie.
Ilov80s
Footballguy
JT is funny on SNL and was good in The Social Network. He’s got a long way to go though to match Sinatra. Frank wasn’t just a good actor for a singer, he was a straight up great actor just a step below Brando. From Here to Eternity, The Man with the Golden Arm, Some Came Running and The Manchurian Candidate are all fantastic.
timschochet
Footballguy
Eephus
Footballguy
Galileo
Footballguy
I become a Sinatra fan after seeing the movie production of Guys and Dolls many moons ago...still probably my favorite musical. While I enjoy listening to many of his songs, I really don't have enough insight to critique any specific albums or even identify which songs came from which album. I didn't even know this "Ultimate Sinatra" release existed, but the list of songs on it that Tim posted is fabulous stuff.
Uruk-Hai
Footballguy
AAABatteries
Footballguy
Just a superb album. I'm not sure I would classify any of it as filler. The Boxer is a top-10 all-time song for me so I'd give it the nod for best song but I've probably listened to Cecilia more than any of them. I had this record as a kid and played that song over and over. Just loved it. Paul Simon was a genius and Art Garfunkel has one of the best voices of all-time.
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AAABatteries
Footballguy
I'm sorry butStuart Ullman said:
AAABatteries
Footballguy
There's cool, there's really ####### cool and then there's Francis Albert Sinatra cool.
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
"Alcohol may be mans worst enemy, but the Bible says love your enemy" - Frank Sinatra
"You gotta love livin', baby, 'cause dyin' is a pain in the ###." - Frank Sinatra
"A man doesn't know what happiness is until he's married. By then, it's too late." - Frank Sinatra
"I feel sorry for people that don't drink. When they wake up in the morning that's a good as they're going to feel all day" - Frank Sinatra
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zamboni
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Ilov80s
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