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Classic Album Discussion Thread: The Kinks-Lola Versus Powerman and the Moneygoround, Pt. 1 (1 Viewer)

Eephus said:
 It was totally derivative
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I'm picking nits, but I don't think they were any more or less derivative than anyone else, I think their influences were just very easy to pick out. But they brought something new to the table, I think the numerous bands that were directly (and sometimes singularly) influenced by the Ramones were far more derivative.

I prefer Leave Home, this one's great too. But it's an album that I don't think you can write a thesis about, you just have to enjoy it.

 
Good Posting Judge said:
Liston a) doesn't get his due, b) led an incredibly tragic and sad life, and c) in this case, was absolutely correct.
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Liston's legacy has been helped by his pivotal role in the mythology of Ali.  At least Liston is still remembered today, which is more than you can say for the Zora Folleys and Cleveland Williams of the world.

Liston's Boxrec page tells an interesting story.  He fought 34 bouts working his way up to beating Floyd Patterson for the title, but only defended his belt (a rematch with Patterson) before losing to Ali in Miami.  After the KO in Lewiston, he went to Sweden of all places and skipped the WBA tournament held after Ali was stripped in 1967. 

He only lost once more after the fights with Ali.  Liston was knocked out by Leotis Martin in late 1969 and was dead a year later.  Martin suffered a detached retina and never fought again.  Even at age 40, Liston's jab looked dangerous.

 
Uruk-Hai said:
Back then, I thought The Ramones were a joke/satire band like Sha Na Na. Part of me still does, but the larger part of me also thinks they just wanted to be a Beach Boys/Chiffons mash-up and lacked the talent.

More important than good.
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agreed.  And to compare them to the Sex Pistols is just not understanding.  

 
Eephus said:
Liston's legacy has been helped by his pivotal role in the mythology of Ali.  At least Liston is still remembered today, which is more than you can say for the Zora Folleys and Cleveland Williams of the world.

Liston's Boxrec page tells an interesting story.  He fought 34 bouts working his way up to beating Floyd Patterson for the title, but only defended his belt (a rematch with Patterson) before losing to Ali in Miami.  After the KO in Lewiston, he went to Sweden of all places and skipped the WBA tournament held after Ali was stripped in 1967. 

He only lost once more after the fights with Ali.  Liston was knocked out by Leotis Martin in late 1969 and was dead a year later.  Martin suffered a detached retina and never fought again.  Even at age 40, Liston's jab looked dangerous.
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Liston is an all-time great HW, big difference between him and Folley. He wiped out Patterson in one round, twice, whereas it took Ali seven rounds to get Patterson out, and after he was well past it. He was never popular, and he was mixed up with the wrong people from the outset, and drinking/etc hastened the end of his career prematurely, similar to Tyson.

He was banned by the WBA after the second Ali fight, so I think he was persona non-grata for the tournament. He pretty clearly took a dive in the second fight, and it's been debated that he quit in the first one as well. At that  point his considerable demons were catching up to him, although it's a shame that he never got a chance to fight Frazier.

Frazier also declined to enter the tourney (Ellis eventually won it in Oakland over Quarry), figuring he'd just take out whomever emerged, which he did. Meanwhile, Liston was effectively left out in the cold to beat up bums during the end of his career.

 
rockaction said:
Wow. Queens might have meant as much to royalty as pop culture owes to the Ramones. A staple everywhere. They were Tommy Roe meets proto-punk. Just ubiquitous, and for a reason. They were a pop band, through and through, with a twisted sense of logic and humor to do it with irony that ruled the day and rendered them impenetrable, just like the crest on their chest, replete with arrows in reserve. 

1-2-3-4

R-A-M-O-N-E-S. 
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Really well said.   This isn't music that I ever sat back and really listened to.  There really isn't a lot to have to concentrate on.  The songs just come at you in a flurry and make you smile.  

 
The last show i saw before moving out west in '77 was Ramones & Talking Heads as part of a g'bye from my Boston media (Intermedia, BSharp,WCOZ) pals.

Punk was anathema to me at the time, mostly because it was reallyreallyreallyreallyreallyreally bad in the beginning and had crowded real musicians out of many venues around town. I had heard Ramones stuff (though it was easy not to listen to) but only heard about Talking Heads. I liked the Ramones a great deal in concert because i saw how they had gotten a little perverse & clever with the form and their whole vibe anticipated the Beavis&Butthead "blaaaah/holy####/whocares/pfffft/whoa" loser lifestyle and that was pretty damn fresh, but David Byrne & pals had already bore a hole in my head and i was not getting any of it by the time i left. Out of habit, I grabbed each their records.

The next year i lived in a homesteaded miner's shack (without power for the 1st several months) in the mts of New Mexico. I was glad to have music back but the girls (we men were outnumbered 30-6, awww shucks...) picked a lot of the tunes and the Ramones were kind of the opposite of a blissed-out hippie matriarchy, so they only got played when someone got silly and wanted to have something goofy to twitchy-dance to. For some reason, Talking Heads sunk in with them a little (the girls liked calling Psycho Killer "Psycho Chicken" and going "bukbukbukbawwwwk, bukbukbukbukbawkbawwwwk' and flapping their wings as they danced). Turned out that put us waaaay ahead of the rest of New Mexico cuz, when i got back to civilization a year later, neither Santa Fe not Albuquerque had yet grasped a crumb of anything punk or new wave. So, if the Ramones ever made inroads in the SW, it was thru the back door many years after the fact. Just too urban.

 
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Randy Newman- Good Old Boys (1975) 

Rednecks

Birmingham

Marie

Mr. President (Have Pity On the Working Man) 

Guilty 

Louisiana 1927

Every Man a King

Kingfish

Naked Man

A Wedding in Cherokee County

Back On My Feet Again

Rollin’ 

All of Randy Newman’s first 5 studio albums are worthy of discussion in this thread; all of them are filled with great songs about the human experience and is many tragic and comic circumstances. I chose this one because it’s a concept album about the American south; though Newman was born in Los Angeles, he was raised in New Orleans and it’s clear that he both adores and despises the south at the same time, which is reflected in the material. “Rednecks” is a biting satire on the southern man that makes Neil Young’s similar accusation look tepid (favorite line- “College men from LSU-went in dumb came out dumb too”). Yet “Rednecks” also speaks to the northern hypocrisy of complaining about southern bigotry while setting up ghettoes in northern cities; it is a rich, complex masterpiece of a song. Birmingham is a delightful Dr. John style barrelhouse blues number which basic style Newman would repeat for his Toy Story hit years later, though the lyrics are again caustic. 

“Marie” is a beautiful ballad of a love song, heartfelt and exquisite. At this point the album is already great and we have yet to get to the two masterpieces that place it above all other Newman works IMO: “Louisiana 1927” about the flood, musically similar to “Sail Away” but rich and epic in scope, and “Kingfish”, about Huey Long, a 3 minute version of “All the Kings Men”. (“Kingfish” is brilliantly preceded by “Every Man a King”, which was Hue’s campaign song that he wrote himself”). A tour de force of a record. 

 
Love Randy Newman.  Sail Away is my personal favorite, but Good Old Boys is excellent.

Biting lyrics.  I love biting lyrics and Randy's got them in bucket loads.

 
It's hilarious that a master satirist like Newman is best known by modern audiences for composing songs sung by cartoon characters.  He's laughing all the way to the bank.

 
timschochet said:
All of Randy Newman’s first 5 studio albums are worthy of discussion in this thread;
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You may love them and they could be great albums but are they classics? I like some of his stuff but he has more of a "cult" following and he's a niche act.

Nothing wrong with that as I like some artist in a similar boat.

Anyway no harm, no foul with bringing him up I guess - I just don't see how he fits the topic.

 
wikkidpissah said:
Only Neil Diamond has re-written the same song more successfully than Randy Newman
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Depending on what you mean by "successfully", I'd like to offer up AC/DC and Jeff Lynne.

Newman had the same problems Zevon did until each had a left-field novelty hit in the late '70s: he didn't get airplay on mass-market radio stations, he skewed older, and he didn't fit neatly into a record store aisle. Simply put, most music fans had no way of hearing his records.

 
Johnny Cash- At Folsom Prison (1968) 

Folsom Prison Blues

Dark as a Dungeon

I Still Miss Someone

Cocaine Blues

25 Minutes to Go

Orange Blossom Special

The Long Black Veil

Send a Picture of Mother

Dirty Old Egg Sucking Dog

Flushed from the Bathroom of Your Heart

Jackson 

Give My Love to Rose

I Got Stripes

Green, Green Grass of Home

Greystone Chapel

Hello, I’m Johnny Cash.

This album is widely considered the greatest country music record ever made, as well as one of the best live albums ever. Cash created the genre of Outlaw Country by performing in front of outlaws- it’s a little chilling, even 50 years later, to hear the prisoners cheer wildly as he sings “I shot a man in Reno just to watch him die.” 

There is something so distinctive about Cash’s voice. He’s not the greatest vocalist we have sampled so far, by any means- several of the others could sing circles around him. But he is perhaps the most genuine. It is a pure American voice, and always a pleasure to hear. 

 
An added note: 

Cash is backed on this record by Carl Perkins, June Carter, and his longtime guitarist Bob Wooten and the Tennessee Three- all legendary artists. 

 
timschochet said:
Johnny Cash- At Folsom Prison (1968) 

Folsom Prison Blues

Dark as a Dungeon

I Still Miss Someone

Cocaine Blues

25 Minutes to Go

Orange Blossom Special

The Long Black Veil

Send a Picture of Mother

Dirty Old Egg Sucking Dog

Flushed from the Bathroom of Your Heart

Jackson 

Give My Love to Rose

I Got Stripes

Green, Green Grass of Home

Greystone Chapel

Hello, I’m Johnny Cash.

This album is widely considered the greatest country music record ever made, as well as one of the best live albums ever. Cash created the genre of Outlaw Country by performing in front of outlaws- it’s a little chilling, even 50 years later, to hear the prisoners cheer wildly as he sings “I shot a man in Reno just to watch him die.” 

There is something so distinctive about Cash’s voice. He’s not the greatest vocalist we have sampled so far, by any means- several of the others could sing circles around him. But he is perhaps the most genuine. It is a pure American voice, and always a pleasure to hear. 
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I mean, Johnny Cash's story is like a myth - except it was true.

And he OWNED all of his messes, unlike......oh, let's pick a name entirely at random.....the Wheel stops at......John Lennon!

He's one of the greatest presences in pop music history. That dude would stand with his back to the camera on his TV show, then spin and say "Hello, I'm Johnny Cash" in that damned baritone no one else has ever been able to do. 

I would have loved to hear Cash do a duet with Aretha on something like "She Still Thinks I Care" or "You Don't Miss Your Water".

Back to this album, it should be on autoplay at the Smithsonium in DC. 

 
Uruk-Hai said:
Back to this album, it should be on autoplay at the Smithsonium in DC. 
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Uruk getting righteous. I love this ####### album. Had it on the double cassette with San Quentin before CBS re-released on cassette as separate entities. Sometimes the format determines the content, and that was the case. There's so much darkness in this album, given its setting, that people might not realize it -- but is visceral once you do. The stories of confinement and imprisonment sung within the harshest prison in California? Well that's some sort of Leviathan.  

But forget it, I still got the 

Hello...I'm Johnny Cash. 

That was the line.  

 
I took a look at the track listing, and was surprised to learn that “25 minutes to Go” was written by Shel Silverstein, author of The Giving Tree and other children’s stories. I was unaware he was a songwriter. 

 
I just looked him up on Wiki- he also wrote “A Boy Named Sue” for Cash, “Cover of Rolling Stone” for Dr. Hook, and several songs that were popular on Dr. Demento. Had no idea. 

 
Still heavy in my rotation - one of the best albums ever, country, live or otherwise.

There’s something chilling about his voice and delivery. 

 
Love this album, and I definitely fall into the "dislike country music... except for Johnny Cash" demographic. 

 
Love Johnny!

One of the few musical influences passed down from my parents. I have a bunch of his albums all the way to his extremely emotional American Recordings. Rock Rubin will forever be owed a debt of gratitude for what he did with Johnny.

One of a kind. An American icon.

 
Don't care for most country music, although good music is good music no matter the genre.

Johnny Cash was different. Johnny Cash was the Washington Irving of music. Irving didn't specifically go for the on-your-haunches, hair-on-the-back-of-your-neck, heebie-jeebies like the Gothic writers of his time or that Poe later did, but his natural way tinged everything with that autumnal, here-today-here-to-die mystic vibe. Cash's best songs were gutshots in a graveyard. waxywikkid out -

 
For the record, i've had a gun pointed at me several times in Reno - i consumed a quarter-million dollars worth of crystalline stimulants while i lived there and it goes with the territory. Fortunately, they were all metalheads...

 
Was on a road trip with a friend when he put in Johnny Cash's greatest hits. My first reaction was "oh no".

After hearing it though, I was pleasantly surprised how many good songs were on it. 

I suspect the same with this album.

 
when I was about 6-10, we used to live about 2 hours from my grandma and we would drive down to see her and other family about once a month.  My parents only had about three 8-tracks in their car and At Folsom Prison was one of them.  I would ask them to play it every trip as I sat in the back seat of the car while my dad smoked his cigarettes while driving.  40 years later and I still have a few of these songs on various playlists.  Once in a while one will come on as we're hanging around the pool and my mind always goes back to the backseat of that car, choking on smoke and listening to Johnny Cash

 
Johnny Cash at Folsom gets a lot of play in my backyard. It's  a perfect album. I love June singing Jackson with him on this album.

 
prosopis said:
Johnny Cash at Folsom gets a lot of play in my backyard. It's  a perfect album. I love June singing Jackson with him on this album.
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Awesome song."Well, we got married in a fever..."

Reese Witherspoon played her well in the biopic, from all I hear.  

The Carters are legends in the country sections of your record store back in the day.  

 
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