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Classic Album Discussion Thread: The Kinks-Lola Versus Powerman and the Moneygoround, Pt. 1 (1 Viewer)
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Ten came out when I was 13. It was basically the starting ground for me breaking away from the classic rock my parents brought me up on and developing my own musical tastes (which admittedly still included all the classic rock). I played this album endlessly to the point that my mother was tired of hearing it and commented that Pearl Jam wouldn't stand the test of time like the bands from her day. I reminded her of that two years ago when Pearl Jam was voted into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame. Really a great album top to bottom. My favorites back then were Alive, Black, Porch, Once, Why Go, Jeremy, Even Flow, probably in that order. Alive was my favorite song on the album when it was out. An interesting note about Alive is that Vedder says he meant the "I'm still alive" in the chorus as that it's a curse that he's still alive, but the fans took it as a celebration of perseverance and that he eventually came around to adopt their meaning. Later, in my freshman year of college when my first love went bad, my favorite song changed to Black.
I disagree with those who say that Pearl Jam went downhill from here. I feel like Pearl Jam has written the soundtrack of my life, that with each album they have put out great music that touched on issues that resonated with me at the time. Yield, PJ's fifth album from 1998, is my favorite.
@Jefferson the Caregiver, if you don't think anything after Vitalogy was good, and in honor of Ten, here's 10 PJ songs to check out:
Hail, Hail from No Code, 1996
Faithfull from Yield, 1998
Do the Evolution from Yield
Given to Fly from Yield
Wishlist from Yield
Save You from Riot Act, 2002
Ghost from Riot Act
Just Breathe from Backspacer, 2009
Mind Your Manners from Lightning Bolt, 2013
Sirens from Lightning Bolt
I disagree with those who say that Pearl Jam went downhill from here. I feel like Pearl Jam has written the soundtrack of my life, that with each album they have put out great music that touched on issues that resonated with me at the time. Yield, PJ's fifth album from 1998, is my favorite.
@Jefferson the Caregiver, if you don't think anything after Vitalogy was good, and in honor of Ten, here's 10 PJ songs to check out:
Hail, Hail from No Code, 1996
Faithfull from Yield, 1998
Do the Evolution from Yield
Given to Fly from Yield
Wishlist from Yield
Save You from Riot Act, 2002
Ghost from Riot Act
Just Breathe from Backspacer, 2009
Mind Your Manners from Lightning Bolt, 2013
Sirens from Lightning Bolt
MAC_32
Footballguy
Echo Hail Hail, Faithful, Just Breathe, and Mind Your Manners. Will add Brain of J, Can't Keep (but Ed's ukulele version is better), Dead Man, Footsteps, Habit, I Am Mine, I Got Id, In Hiding, Lukin, Man Of The Hour, MFC, Off He Goes, Red Mosquito, Who You Are, and Yellow Ledbetter. In no particular oder. Some are pre Vitalogy, but they're b sides or on compilations - not the first 3 albums.
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Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
I remember hearing "alive" on the radio for the first time and being blown away - it was a breath of fresh air in what seemed to be a dying rock scene.
I lost track of them after the first 3-4 records but I'm happy to see their still alive and kicking and doing well - I have no idea why I've never seen these guys play live but should probably rectify that one day. I did buy the Eddie Vedder soundtrack to Into the Wild which I love.
I lost track of them after the first 3-4 records but I'm happy to see their still alive and kicking and doing well - I have no idea why I've never seen these guys play live but should probably rectify that one day. I did buy the Eddie Vedder soundtrack to Into the Wild which I love.
Jayrod
Footballguy
Alive is my personal favorite from Ten. A truer rock song than most of the grunge era music
Lionsfan011
Footballguy
Respect your opinion here and I'm one of those that thinks Pearl Jam went downhill after Vitalogy. I enjoyed No Code with Mankind, Hail Hail and Who You Are but thought it was a clear step down from Vitalogy. And then Yield came along and it felt like soft rock (from an early- mid 90's grunge perspective). I liked Do the Evolution but couldn't get into any other song off Yield. No issue with anyone who liked Yield, it just wasn't my cup of tea.
MAC_32
Footballguy
I'm clearly a big Pearl Jam fan and even I don't think they had any good albums after Vitalogy. They've produced a lot of quality material outside of the first three albums though. Almost certainly some I didn't mention because I'm not aware of them. I didn't know about Mind Your Manners until I heard it when seeing them in concert a few years ago - looked at my buddy's after with a 'what was that' and they looked at my like I was growing another head.
Lionsfan011
Footballguy
Ten was 1 of the 2 most influential albums that launched grunge into main stream in the early 90's (the other being Nevermind). Not much else needs to be said for how important this album was to the grunge era. An interesting note was Pearl Jam's decision to quit making music videos when Jeremy won the MTV's music video of the year award. This was a big deal in the early-mid 90's as all main stream songs of note had a music video attached to it. MTV was still a big deal in the early-mid 90's for music videos and having a music video was important for sales and popularity. Vs and Vitalogy were both very successful albums but IMO they would've been bigger if music videos were attached to them. I think the next song that Pearl Jam had a music video for was Do the Evolution off of Yield in 1998. Music videos were still being made and still shown on MTV but by this time we were beginning to see the Napster era and music videos weren't as crucial to popularity. Pearl Jam to me was 1 of the 5 top grunge bands in the grunge era (Nirvana, Soundgarden, Alice in Chains, Stone Temple Pilots) and arguably the best band of the grunge era. I felt that if they had made music videos for Vs and Vitalogy they would be universally regarded as THE top band of the grunge era in the same manner that Smells Like Teen Spirit is seen as THE song of the grunge era. Ten was top to bottom a great album and easily one of the best of the grunge era.
Fiddles
Footballguy
what were you listening to before discovering classic and prog rock?I approve of any 3-word post that references both the Simpsons and the Princess Bride.
It came out during my college years as well, but those were the years where I was discovering classic rock and a lot of prog rock, so none of that grunge or alt rock stood a chance with me at the time. I eventually came around to liking a little of it years later, but PJ was not just a band I could ever grab on to. I get why many did, however.
Forgot about these songs
.Just Breathe reminds me of the songs on the soundtrack they did for Into the Wild.
Regarding Ten, So many great tunes on this disc. I haven't listed to it in a while, will be playing it tonight. I'd say Black and Jeremy are my favourites but they are all pretty solid.
Bull Dozier
Footballguy
My favorite band, and 10 changed my musical life. But, it's not even my favorite PJ album. I get why most people think this is their best album, but ironically, I think it is the least "Pearl Jam" sounding album. I feel the rest of their material is less "over produced" and more straight up rock and roll. While the later albums lost a lot of the "Jam" from 10, which was a big part of the appeal to me, their overall catalogue is just amazing. To those thinking "I should get to a show one of these years," I could not recomend that experience enough. Their shows are great, but you are going to want to be familiar with a large chunk of their catalogue. Their shows are not greatest hits retrospectives.
Alive is still my favorite song of all time. Even though it is a Kiss rip off, the solo gets me everytime. Nothing greater for me than hearing Alive, live, and I wished it was their show closer (more often, I know they have closed with it a few times).
trader jake
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Dr. Octopus
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Ilov80s
Footballguy
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
Oh really? That's disappointing because I've started listening to them a bit and liking what I've heard. It's surely derivative but it was nice to see someone keeping (classic) rock alive.
MAC_32
Footballguy
I just can't believe they were capable of doing an under 10 minute version of Porch, let alone under 4 minutes.
Ilov80s
Footballguy
They are a local group and so I want to like them but just not my jam. That said they were especially awful on SNL.
Jefferson the Caregiver
Rebel Without A Pause
Thanks for posting this list, will revisit all of these. A few of them I remember already but others I'm sure I've heard before but just don't recall what they sound like.
Ghost Rider
Footballguy
80's music. I grew up watching MTV a lot in the 80's, and I still have much love for a lot of it, although some of it has not aged well, and some of it I didn't like at the time (hair metal was very hit or miss for me). I saw Tears for Fears and Hall & Oates last year...nice little trip down nostalgia lane.
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Insoxicated
Man Dave Abbruzzese could ####### bang the skins. I love Matt Cameron’s style, and how he’s helped stabilize the band... but Dave A was the best drummer this band ever had IMO.Shrugs said:
That said, I’ve seen a couple fans in here lamenting not having seen them live. GO. Seriously... GO. They are still absolutely incredible live... delivering 3.5 hour epic performances with intensity that very few 25yr old bands can deliver. GO.
Oh... to be on topic: Ten is my favorite album of all time.
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Ned Ryerson
Footballguy
Same here. I was a freshman in college when Ten came out and other than the Living Colour album, had probably not purchased an album by a musician that started after 1980 for the entirety of my high school years. I heard Alive the first time and my mind was blown. I didn't think anybody was making anything close to this type of music in that barren hair metal landscape.
rockaction
Footballguy
I don't know about that. Mudhoney was. Soundgarden was. Fugazi, albeit on Dischord, was playing alternative.
Pearl Jam was formed out of the ashes of Green River and Mother Love Bone, both of which preceded Pearl Jam.
I don't want to be contentious, but that seems...just...off. There were plenty of great bands already on Sub Pop, you just had to have a cool music store in your area. Pearl Jam was signed to Sony/Epic after Temple Of The Dog, even, which got serious play on MTV.
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rockaction
Footballguy
That's all IIRC, by the way.
timschochet
Footballguy
Mudhoney was the first grunge music I ever heard. Before Nirvana, Before Pearl Jam. A friend of mine sent me a tape. I didn’t much care for it.
timschochet
Footballguy
Moving on....
Bull Dozier
Footballguy
Don't know where Ned is from, but in the suburbs in Minnesota where I got most of my musical influences from MTV, I was not aware of anything coming out from Sub Pop (I was not into 120 Minutes at the time, those bands may have been played there).
I got into PJ because a buddy of mine forced me to listen to 10 over and over again in my car. One day it finally clicked, and I was hooked. Being a poor college student, buying a CD was a major investment, so I didn't get into all the other bands that were making music at that time. I couldn't bring myself to buying a CD unless I knew multiple songs on it I liked (Deep Blue Something, I won't be fooled again). Thanks to Spotify, I am going back and discovering all that stuff I missed.
rockaction
Footballguy
I was lucky to have a great music store where I played my hockey. Being a kid from the sticks, these guys -- the owners of the store -- seemed to know everything that was going on. It was one of the reasons I still had a record player in '90-'91. If you remember Sub Pop Loser Club, you remember.
I wasn't faulting Ned, just saying other bands were putting out music like that even before Pearl Jam.
But who cares, really? Most of my friends were totally unaware of Ten when I was.That's why I encouraged my friend to drive us to the Chili Peppers show and get there early so we could see Pearl Jam. I told him, "We gotta make it to see this band." Whether I would do that now is up for debate, but Ten is still a formative album of my youth. I used to wear the shorts and long johns that PJ did. Hwarf.
And I'm not trying to be cool; that's just how it went. I remember listening to Black repeatedly when my girlfriend and I had broken up in college. It was weirdly cathartic, and I don't often get that way.
timschochet
Footballguy
Red Hot Chili Peppers- Blood Sugar Sex Magik (1991)
The Power of Equality
If You Have to Ask
Breaking the Girl
Funky Monks
Suck My Kiss
I Could Have Lied
Mellowship Slinky In B Major
The Righteous & The Wicked
Give It Away
Blood Sugar Sex Magik
Under the Bridge
Naked In the Rain
Apache Rose Peacock
The Greeting Song
My Lovely Man
Sir Psycho Sexy
They’re Red Hot
Right around the same time as Pearl Jam and Nirvana were introducing grunge rock to the world, Red Hot Chili Peppers were among the leaders of what was then loosely called “alternative” rock, which basically meant anything that had a slightly different flavor than “classic rock.” I had been familiar with this band for years before this album, because they were local and because I adored their funky cover of Sly Stone’s “If You Want Me to Stay.” But this record was their breakthrough, featuring a new very good guitarist (John Frusciante) and, with “Under the Bridge” the finest song ever written about Los Angeles (with all apologies to Randy Newman and many others.) But the whole record is excellent.
The Power of Equality
If You Have to Ask
Breaking the Girl
Funky Monks
Suck My Kiss
I Could Have Lied
Mellowship Slinky In B Major
The Righteous & The Wicked
Give It Away
Blood Sugar Sex Magik
Under the Bridge
Naked In the Rain
Apache Rose Peacock
The Greeting Song
My Lovely Man
Sir Psycho Sexy
They’re Red Hot
Right around the same time as Pearl Jam and Nirvana were introducing grunge rock to the world, Red Hot Chili Peppers were among the leaders of what was then loosely called “alternative” rock, which basically meant anything that had a slightly different flavor than “classic rock.” I had been familiar with this band for years before this album, because they were local and because I adored their funky cover of Sly Stone’s “If You Want Me to Stay.” But this record was their breakthrough, featuring a new very good guitarist (John Frusciante) and, with “Under the Bridge” the finest song ever written about Los Angeles (with all apologies to Randy Newman and many others.) But the whole record is excellent.
Herb
Footballguy
I bought Ten right when it came out, having never heard a song from it. I really liked Mother Love Bone, and I'm guessing Rolling Stone had given Ten a good review. Can't remember why I bought it but I did.
Wow. It basically didnt leave my CD player for like 6 months. After school I would come home and hit play, and that album soundtracked whatever I did. Other than maybe Back In Black or The Wall, it's probably my most listened to full album. Great stuff start to finish.
I quickly lost interest in them after Vs. They just never recaptured that magic for me. Got so tired of them after hearing Ten so much that I really haven't followed them at all since then. Just Breathe dropped right as I lost someone very close to me to cancer, so that stands out as a PJ song that had a big impact on me, but otherwise I more admire them as just being a great rock band with staying power, and I like Eddie Vedder a lot as a human.
Alive can still give me chills if I hear it at the right time and place. Porch and Black are awesome. If I never hear Jeremy again I'd be ok with it though.
Wow. It basically didnt leave my CD player for like 6 months. After school I would come home and hit play, and that album soundtracked whatever I did. Other than maybe Back In Black or The Wall, it's probably my most listened to full album. Great stuff start to finish.
I quickly lost interest in them after Vs. They just never recaptured that magic for me. Got so tired of them after hearing Ten so much that I really haven't followed them at all since then. Just Breathe dropped right as I lost someone very close to me to cancer, so that stands out as a PJ song that had a big impact on me, but otherwise I more admire them as just being a great rock band with staying power, and I like Eddie Vedder a lot as a human.
Alive can still give me chills if I hear it at the right time and place. Porch and Black are awesome. If I never hear Jeremy again I'd be ok with it though.
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
I owned and liked that Chili Pepper's record but not sure it fits the bill as a "classic".
It's like Mike Mussina getting elected into the Hall of Fame.
It's like Mike Mussina getting elected into the Hall of Fame.
zamboni
Footballguy
Glad I'm not the only one that feels that way, although that's for another thread/forum.
rockaction
Footballguy
My friends, back in high school, had gotten me into Mother's Milk, an outstanding album in its own right. Anyway, Blood Sugar Sex Magik was such a formative album for me, too, in addition to Ten. I just remember listening to it in boarding school over and over and over. I remember rocking out so hard to BSSM. I could break down the album track by track, and I'm not an album guy -- just loved it at the time.
MAC_32
Footballguy
I think you got it all right. A lot of Ten was written before Ed even joined the band. He was basically the glue that put all those pieces together. And their success wasn't instant either. Ten was released in 91, but their ascent really didn't start to take shape until summer 92.
Bull Dozier
Footballguy
Everything is relative. Stone and/or Jeff were in Green River and Mother Love Bone since '84, but never made it national. 10 is released in late '91 and by midf '92 they have huge national recognition. That's a relative overnight success (but not worth arguing over).
My last comment on 10 is in response to @[icon] comment on the drummer. I never saw Abbruzze live, but I think Matt Cameron is one of the best rock drummers around. His work, particularly on Backspacer are tops for me.
Ghost Rider
Footballguy
RHCP has a handful of songs I like, but I was never a big fan. Flea is a beast of a bass player, for sure though.
Ned Ryerson
Footballguy
Of course you are right, factually, but read what I wrote again.
my mind was blown. I didn't think...
The time period you are discussing i was in high school in upper middle class suburbs of NYC,. Not a lot of the music stores catering to the Sub Pop label. Alternative music stations in the late 80s were playing The Cure and Depeche Mode, which I didn't like, and I only knew from classic rock.
I was saying that Pearl Jam opened up this world for me. I'm not saying that it didn't exist, but rather that my exposure to the world you were referring to was nonexistent.
rockaction
Footballguy
Yeah, I was trying not to be contentious, as I said. I was lucky that at this time in high school I had a local music store that was doing this. I should shout out Music Outlet in Enfield, CT, more than critique what you're writing. What a store for the time!
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Terrible quality but love this rehearsal for SNL of not for youShrugs said:
https://youtu.be/Ui7RENNaXMc
Since we're talking Pearl Jam televised performances, PJ and Neil Young doing Rockin in the Free World on the MTV Video Music Video Awards felt like a Michael Jackson Motown moonwalk moment for me.
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