timschochet
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1. It was Robert Christgau, and later Spin Magazine.
2. The genre isn’t for everyone, but that’s going to be true of every genre we discuss.
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Classic Album Discussion Thread: The Kinks-Lola Versus Powerman and the Moneygoround, Pt. 1 (1 Viewer)
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2. The genre isn’t for everyone, but that’s going to be true of every genre we discuss.
rockaction
Footballguy
Just a great album. It's not London Calling, and the UK version is different than the US one because of track selection and order, but either one is a punk delight. I never got the Clash until I was older, but once I did...forget it.
timschochet
Footballguy
It’s a punk rock album. London Calling is a rock album with punk, reggae, and pop influences.
rockaction
Footballguy
Yeah, I don't think we disagree about that. London Calling has a lot of reggae and pop influences, and is widely considered the better album for it. Personally, I like London Calling better than the eponymous LP by the Clash, but people's mileage may vary. Still, I think the selection of The Clash is merit worthy all on its own. Nice album, classic even.
timschochet
Footballguy
Barry White- Can’t Get Enough (1974)
Mellow Mood (Pt. 1)
You’re My First, My Last, My Everything
I Can’t Believe You Love Me
Can’t Get Enough of Your Love, Babe
Oh Love, Well We Finally Made It
I Love You More Than Anything (In This World)
Mellow Mood (Pt. 2)
With all of the problems we have right now I was thinking that what we need is a little love. And who knew about love better than the late, great, Barry White? The answer is...nobody. Barry was the absolute master of love, so let’s bask in the goodness of his sweet voice once more.
Mellow Mood (Pt. 1)
You’re My First, My Last, My Everything
I Can’t Believe You Love Me
Can’t Get Enough of Your Love, Babe
Oh Love, Well We Finally Made It
I Love You More Than Anything (In This World)
Mellow Mood (Pt. 2)
With all of the problems we have right now I was thinking that what we need is a little love. And who knew about love better than the late, great, Barry White? The answer is...nobody. Barry was the absolute master of love, so let’s bask in the goodness of his sweet voice once more.
Leroy Hoard
Footballguy
That voice combined with that production is made for parody, yet BW made it work.
timschochet
Footballguy
No love for the master of love?
Ghost Rider
Footballguy
Feels like this thread is dying. Need some rock albums to get the audience back!!
timschochet
Footballguy
The Who- Quadrophenia (1973)
I Am the Sea
The Real Me
Quadrophenia
Cut My Hair
The Punk and the Godfather
I’m One
The Dirty Job
Helpless Dancer
Is It In My Head?
I’ve Had Enough
5:15
Sea and Sand
Drowned
Bell Boy
Doctor Jimmy
The Rock
Love, Reign O’er Me
Ghoat Rider may be right; it’s time to get this thread back to the classic rock basics. If so, this seems like a good place to start.
This record represents The Who at the top of their game. Daltry’s vocals, Moon’s amazing drums, Entwistle’s steady bass lines, and Townsend’s power chords and songwriting never sounded better. If the plot is hard to follow, who cares? The Who make a claim here for greatest rock band ever, and I think anyone who listens to this knows that they certainly have to at least be in the discussion.
Personal favorites are “5:15”, “Doctor Jimmy” and of course the wrenching closing song which is arguably classic rock’s most emotional moment.
I Am the Sea
The Real Me
Quadrophenia
Cut My Hair
The Punk and the Godfather
I’m One
The Dirty Job
Helpless Dancer
Is It In My Head?
I’ve Had Enough
5:15
Sea and Sand
Drowned
Bell Boy
Doctor Jimmy
The Rock
Love, Reign O’er Me
Ghoat Rider may be right; it’s time to get this thread back to the classic rock basics. If so, this seems like a good place to start.
This record represents The Who at the top of their game. Daltry’s vocals, Moon’s amazing drums, Entwistle’s steady bass lines, and Townsend’s power chords and songwriting never sounded better. If the plot is hard to follow, who cares? The Who make a claim here for greatest rock band ever, and I think anyone who listens to this knows that they certainly have to at least be in the discussion.
Personal favorites are “5:15”, “Doctor Jimmy” and of course the wrenching closing song which is arguably classic rock’s most emotional moment.
Apple Jack
Footballguy
Apple Jack
Footballguy
Also more a fan of Quadrophenia than Tommy, but like both. 5:15 probably my favorite here.
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
I like Tommy better because it tells a clearer story and for some reason the orchestration just works for me - but Quadrophenia is the better rock album.
KarmaPolice
Footballguy
timschochet
Footballguy
Uruk-Hai
Footballguy
That's almost impossible to say.
Especially with The Who. They used their rhythm section differently than their peers. The bass and (especially) the drums were the leads in many of their songs.
zamboni
Footballguy
Agreed - his work there typically ranks near the top of all-time bass work in any given pop/rock tune.
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
It depends on how you want to define "best rhythm section". They were both certainly great (among the best) at their respective instruments but they didn't exactly play "rhythm". They were more prominent than Towsends' guitar on some songs. They were bombastic and powerful as opposed to say Wyman and Watts who actually provided a back beat.
But they were great to listen to so I wouldn't argue if you ranked them at the top.
Uruk-Hai
Footballguy
Me either, but I prefer the Wyman/Watts or Dunn/Jackson -type duos - especially for dancing.
CletiusMaximus
Footballguy
dhockster
Footballguy
Definitely one of the best. I prefer Squire/Bruford of Yes but since that is progressive rock with longer songs, you're sort of comparing apples and oranges. It's amazing that Entwhistle and Moon are able to stand out as much as they do while still supporting the guitars and the vocals in the context of a 3 to 4 minute song.
rockaction
Footballguy
Just how good they are. They've run akin to The Beatles in how good they really are. Just astounding, musically and coherently. Moon is greater than Ringo. Entiwhistle the greater bass player than Harrison. Townsend the greater guitar than George or Paul. If Goerge Martin and the songwriting dexterity of the Beatles doesn't come into play, then The Who are possibly the greatest band on earth (Save the Beach Boys, who are the best, regardless)
timschochet
Footballguy
Ghost Rider
Footballguy
Entwistle/Moon are definitely in that convo for best rock rhythm section ever along with Jones/Bonham, Lee/Peart and Squire/Bruford.
As for Quadrophenia, great album for sure. Like many concept double albums, it is a bit too long and could have benefited by a bit of trimming to make it more concise, but as it is, it is still pretty great. I prefer Tommy, but it's close. Definitely the best two Who records, IMO.
As for Quadrophenia, great album for sure. Like many concept double albums, it is a bit too long and could have benefited by a bit of trimming to make it more concise, but as it is, it is still pretty great. I prefer Tommy, but it's close. Definitely the best two Who records, IMO.
rockaction
Footballguy
Oh, God, that's a groaner. Paul played bass. We all have our moments.Since Harrison played lead guitar, I’m quite sure this is true.
eta* I couldn't even spell Entwistle right. So wasted.
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Binky The Doormat
Footballguy
Love this album. When I still had just a few albums - this was one of them. Played it over and over.
timschochet
Footballguy
Pearl Jam- Ten (1991)
Once
Even Flow
Alive
Why Go
Black
Jeremy
Oceans
Porch
Garden
Deep
Release
The album that forever changed Seattle! Arguably the most influential album is the 90s in terms of Eddie Vedder’s vocals alone; he changed the way people sang and spawned hundreds of imitators almost immediately. Of course it helps that the songwriting is particularly strong and deals with some serious dark issues like suicide, incest, homelessness. Not a cheery bunch of love songs, to be sure.
Once
Even Flow
Alive
Why Go
Black
Jeremy
Oceans
Porch
Garden
Deep
Release
The album that forever changed Seattle! Arguably the most influential album is the 90s in terms of Eddie Vedder’s vocals alone; he changed the way people sang and spawned hundreds of imitators almost immediately. Of course it helps that the songwriting is particularly strong and deals with some serious dark issues like suicide, incest, homelessness. Not a cheery bunch of love songs, to be sure.
Tom Skerritt
Footballguy
Never a huge PJ fan, but I do like this album. I was a junior in college when this cam out, and I remember one dude who was all over this. I thought the guy was kind of a doosh, so I was soured for other stupid reasons. Took me a while to get into PJ. My favorite PJ album is probably No Code.
MAC_32
Footballguy
And it isnt even the best Pearl Jam album. The rare follow up that triumphed the historic debut. But, I get it. Ten has more hits. And they all stood the test of time. I'd argue they've aged even better. The live show may not be the same, but from pure sound? They're better now.
Jefferson the Caregiver
Rebel Without A Pause
About midway last year, I revisited 10 in depth after having it on the back shelf for a long long time.
Probably listened to about 30x in the last six months. It's one of those rare albums where just about every song is great (Oceans is the only track that is a little on the weak side). Hard to pick which song is the best but I will say even as overplayed as it is, Jeremy is an outstanding song. Wore Black out in the early 90s but it's still in the conversation. Garden and Porch are both stellar and probably underrated. Even Flow and Alive are the anthems. Once is the perfect opener and Deep is one that never gets talked about but is pretty awesome in its own right. Release is the perfect bookend for this album.
I don't think Pearl Jam's extensive discography is all that good though. It started to go downhill after 10, not surprising since they couldn't keep up this pace, but I don't think anything after Vitalogy is any good. I'm sure that's not going to be a popular opinion by Pearl Jam fans but I really think their music got boring after Vitalogy. Would still see them live and eventually will I think.
Probably listened to about 30x in the last six months. It's one of those rare albums where just about every song is great (Oceans is the only track that is a little on the weak side). Hard to pick which song is the best but I will say even as overplayed as it is, Jeremy is an outstanding song. Wore Black out in the early 90s but it's still in the conversation. Garden and Porch are both stellar and probably underrated. Even Flow and Alive are the anthems. Once is the perfect opener and Deep is one that never gets talked about but is pretty awesome in its own right. Release is the perfect bookend for this album.
I don't think Pearl Jam's extensive discography is all that good though. It started to go downhill after 10, not surprising since they couldn't keep up this pace, but I don't think anything after Vitalogy is any good. I'm sure that's not going to be a popular opinion by Pearl Jam fans but I really think their music got boring after Vitalogy. Would still see them live and eventually will I think.
skol asylum
Footballguy
Ten goes to eleven. Nuff said.
MAC_32
Footballguy
Oceans by itself isnt anything noteworthy, but it's a fantastic bridge from the Black/Jeremy back to back into the final 4.
Ghost Rider
Footballguy
Never cared for this album for the most part, or this band. Even Flow and Alive are both pretty good, but everything else is a hard pass for me. They always sounded good musically, but I cannot stand Eddie Vedder's voice 95% of the time.
Leroy Hoard
Footballguy
skol asylum
Footballguy
UncleZen
Footballguy
Fantastic album but I disagree with the premise that it changed Seattle and was the most influential album of the 90's. Other than the material they covered, the sounded pretty mainstream. I think Nirvana owns the rights to most influential with Bleach and Nevermind.
DocHolliday
Footballguy
Outstanding album that I played endlessly when it came out. Seemed like everyone did. It was everywhere.
Ten was PJs best album by far for me. The guitar work and the songs were never as interesting on any other album.
Ten was PJs best album by far for me. The guitar work and the songs were never as interesting on any other album.
Ghost Rider
Footballguy
I approve of any 3-word post that references both the Simpsons and the Princess Bride.cap'n grunge said:
It came out during my college years as well, but those were the years where I was discovering classic rock and a lot of prog rock, so none of that grunge or alt rock stood a chance with me at the time. I eventually came around to liking a little of it years later, but PJ was not just a band I could ever grab on to. I get why many did, however.
AAABatteries
Footballguy
My favorite grunge album and probably a top 10 album of all time for me.
skol asylum
Footballguy
Never really got into music much when I was younger. Ten came out when I was in 12th grade IIRC. Followed that up with Nirvana, STP, AIC, and the Pumpkins in college. Other alternative rock caught my eye and ears but so did classic rock in college like Zeppelin, Pink Floyd, the Eagles, Neil Young, Steve Miller Band, and the Doors. Good times.I approve of any 3-word post that references both the Simpsons and the Princess Bride.
It came out during my college years as well, but those were the years where I was discovering classic rock and a lot of prog rock, so none of that grunge or alt rock stood a chance with me at the time. I eventually came around to liking a little of it years later, but PJ was not just a band I could ever grab on to. I get why many did, however.
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shuke
Black Ice Skeptic
rockaction
Footballguy
Loved this album in high school when it came out. Made my friend go to a Pearl Jam, Smashing Pumpkins, and Red Hot Chili Peppers show that couldn't even sell out SPFLD, MA when it came out. Just a great show, and a great time. Eddie Vedder announced to the crowd that he'd never imagined his band that big, and that we should be half the crowd for his expectations of crowd size.
No kidding. Great show.
No kidding. Great show.
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