Classic Album Discussion Thread: The Kinks-Lola Versus Powerman and the Moneygoround, Pt. 1 (1 Viewer)

[timschochet]

I'm glad you started it.  I have been listening to new tunes all day plus some old ones.  You are wrong about  Dark Side of the Moon though.

I like DSOTM. I just don’t get the worship. 

 

[rockaction]

Pink Floyd was the first rock concert I ever attended.  22 Jun 1975 at Milwaukee County Stadium.  Teenage Eephus was between his sophomore and Junior years.  I went with John Pintar, Pat Woida and some of their friends.  We waited all afternoon in the parking lot for a night show.  I remember it was still light when the band opened with some songs I'd never heard before.  According to setlist.fm, it was as-yet unreleased material that would eventually end up on Wish You Were Here and Animals.

I was unaware until tonight that there's a crappy audience bootleg of the rest of their set (DSOTM & "Echoes").   It had been really hot in the daylight but it clouded over at night culminating in a rain storm that halted the show right after "On the Run".  It was a brief summer shower but the crowd was drenched by the time they resumed.  The most magical thing about that night was when clouds parted right after the "I'll see you on the dark side of the moon" lyric and the moon became brightly visible.  According to the June 1975 moonphase calendar, the full moon fell on the night of the concert.  I've been to a lot of concerts since but that was the best special effect I've ever seen at a show.

Head-fi rulez. This review rules. So much fun in both that I can't speak to both of them. 

 

[rockaction]

Head-fi rulez. This review rules. So much fun in both that I can't speak to both of them. 

I love that Chaos Commish likes this. I'm having a rough night but love it.  

 

[Shrugs]

My parents, while in high school, saw The Doors at the Hollywood Bowl in 1968 with Steppenwolf and the Chambers Brothers. I never have and never will experience anything that cool.

 

[Ilov80s]

This song is amazing too, especially played really loudly. No way is this remotely a weak or middle of the road LZ song. So many great songs on PG.

PG is a perfect description of the album

 

[rockaction]

PG is a perfect description of the album

Zoso, mother. As Aesop would say... ZZZ Top.  

(NSFW)

 

[AAABatteries]

Unpopular take #2: outside of a few bands, the best rock music is NOT part of the classic rock genre

I’ll probably disagree with this but could you explain what you mean just so I make sure I’ve not misinterpreted what you mean.

 

[rockaction]

Oh, I wanna hear this shindig. 

 

[rockaction]

I’ve been given the same argument about, among other things, James Joyces’ Ulysses, the art of Jackson Pollack

This is sincerity right here. The latter is indignant. 

 

[Ranethe]

PG is a perfect description of the album

STOP POKING THE BEAR !!  ? ?

 

[Buzzbait]

Also unpopular take: Physical Graffiti is not that good. 

 (I'm going with this being some kind of shtick. Only explanation I have to comprehend).

 

[Buzzbait]

Yeah, unpopular is an understatement. May not be your cup of tea but "not that good"? C'mon, nobody could take that seriously.

In my time of dying (my favorite Zep song, at least right now) 

kashmir

trampled underfoot

custard pie

the rover

down by the seaside

in the light

just off the top of my head, all fantastic songs

Agree. This album is loaded. Kashmir is a masterpiece but In My Time of Dying is my favorite. The bluesy, slide guitar jamming gets my head bouncing every time. Note: It's the longest studio track on any Led Zeppelin studio album

 

[Ilov80s]

 (I'm going with this being some kind of shtick. Only explanation I have to comprehend).

No schtick. It’s just really over the top, self indulgent. It’s not bad music but it needed an editor.

 

[Ilov80s]

I’ll probably disagree with this but could you explain what you mean just so I make sure I’ve not misinterpreted what you mean.

90s alternative, 80s new wave, aughts rock, the entire punk genre, all the early rock that gets filed under oldies, folk rock etc, I prefer that stuff to the classic rock we are discussing here.

 

[Buzzbait]

No schtick. It’s just really over the top, self indulgent. It’s not bad music but it needed an editor.

I know it wasn't shtick. Just having fun with you.

You can call it over the top & you can call it indulgent but it most certainly is not pedestrian. It kills and it's as fresh and unique today as when it came out.

 

[rockaction]

90s alternative, 80s new wave, aughts rock, the entire punk genre, all the early rock that gets filed under oldies, folk rock etc, I prefer that stuff to the classic rock we are discussing here.

Same here, but this a thread for discussing this stuff. It's Tim's classic rock thread after all. 

Love ya, bud.  

 

[Ilov80s]

I know it wasn't shtick. Just having fun with you.

You can call it over the top & you can call it indulgent but it most certainly is not pedestrian. It kills and it's as fresh and unique today as when it came out.

I’ll give it another listen. I bought an LZ2 CD as a kid and was obsessed with it. Then got LZ1,3 and 4. I heard how good PG was, so I borrowed my friends. I loved a few songs but it mostly just made me stop listening to LZ so much. 

 

[Buzzbait]

I’ll give it another listen. I bought an LZ2 CD as a kid and was obsessed with it. Then got LZ1,3 and 4. I heard how good PG was, so I borrowed my friends. I loved a few songs but it mostly just made me stop listening to LZ so much. 

Differing opinion is what keeps the world from being boring. There are critically acclaimed albums that make me think "I don't get it. That just isn't very good IMO."

 

[Ilov80s]

Same here, but this a thread for discussing this stuff. It's Tim's classic rock thread after all. 

Love ya, bud.  

I would never dream of mucking up a thread. That’s why I only will discuss those musical styles through the lens of how they are better than classic rock. I’m keeping it focused on the topic.

Jk. I’m done.

 

[HellToupee]

Wish You Were Here is much better , imo. Much better

 

[rockaction]

Wish You Were Here is much better , imo. Much better

Yep. So...so you think you can tell...heaven from hell...

 

[Bull Dozier]

Since @Ilov80s took the fall for PG, I will for DSOTM.  I never liked Floyd enough to ever want to listen to one of their albums straight through.  I've never heard the whole thing. 

 

[HellToupee]

Since @Ilov80s took the fall for PG, I will for DSOTM.  I never liked Floyd enough to ever want to listen to one of their albums straight through.  I've never heard the whole thing. 

I was this way until recently. Hated them . Wish You Were Here changed it for me

 

[timschochet]

I was this way until recently. Hated them . Wish You Were Here changed it for me

Well I can only say, shine on, you crazy diamond! 

 

[Ranethe]

90s alternative, 80s new wave, aughts rock, the entire punk genre, all the early rock that gets filed under oldies, folk rock etc, I prefer that stuff to the classic rock we are discussing here.

Music is funny, it engenders so much debate. A lot of people-likely myself included-base at least some part of their identity on what they like. I like most of what you listed above (though I never got into punk much and oldies don't do much for me). I even listen to some very shmaltzy pop sometimes, I'm a sucker for melody. I've never really been one to prioritize genres, if I like it, I like it. I guess for me, staying power marks great music. 

I guess a part of it is when I was younger I had the time to let music grow on me, to explore more. Now I listen for immediate gratification. One of my biggest luxuries nowadays is to go out in my garage on a Sunday morning, drink coffee, play really loud music, and just sit back and enjoy. Everything from LZ to Nirvana to Seether to Sinead O'Connor to 21 pilots to Arctic Monkeys to, well you get the point.

I rarely get exposed to new music nowadays, on a few occasions I'll find a gem, typically only when I have a cable TV music station on in the background and hear something that strikes me. Otherwise I depend on the radio to hear anything new and where I live we're like 6 months behind the rest of the country.

None of this is relevant to anything I guess, just ruminating.

 

[Ranethe]

I would never dream of mucking up a thread. That’s why I only will discuss those musical styles through the lens of how they are better than classic rock. I’m keeping it focused on the topic.

Jk. I’m done.

I'm really enjoying this thread, love hearing others perspectives even if it's not strictly on topic. The nostalgia factor alone-considering the specific music Tim lists and letting the memories around that music flow and reading the stories from others-is enjoyable.

 

[Ilov80s]

Music is funny, it engenders so much debate. A lot of people-likely myself included-base at least some part of their identity on what they like. I like most of what you listed above (though I never got into punk much and oldies don't do much for me). I even listen to some very shmaltzy pop sometimes, I'm a sucker for melody. I've never really been one to prioritize genres, if I like it, I like it. I guess for me, staying power marks great music. 

I guess a part of it is when I was younger I had the time to let music grow on me, to explore more. Now I listen for immediate gratification. One of my biggest luxuries nowadays is to go out in my garage on a Sunday morning, drink coffee, play really loud music, and just sit back and enjoy. Everything from LZ to Nirvana to Seether to Sinead O'Connor to 21 pilots to Arctic Monkeys to, well you get the point.

I rarely get exposed to new music nowadays, on a few occasions I'll find a gem, typically only when I have a cable TV music station on in the background and hear something that strikes me. Otherwise I depend on the radio to hear anything new and where I live we're like 6 months behind the rest of the country.

None of this is relevant to anything I guess, just ruminating.

If you dig melody, the oldies are the goodies as they say. Also keep ruminating, it’s great.

 

[timschochet]

I love punk, new wave, folk rock, and many other genres. I would never make the claim that AOR classic rock is superior to any of those. That’s not the purpose of this thread. 

 

[Ilov80s]

I love punk, new wave, folk rock, and many other genres. I would never make the claim that AOR classic rock is superior to any of those. That’s not the purpose of this thread. 

What’s the album du jour?

 

[timschochet]

What’s the album du jour?

I posted DSOTM last night, so let’s stay with that for now. 

 

[MAC_32]

I don't think I've listened to dark side since college, when music via internet was in its infancy and we still had cd's.  IIRC there isn't any one song that's really all that good by itself.  Beginning-to-end, different story.  Although that may have just been a 1-4 am sorta thing.  If I get a quiet day in the office sometime in the near future I'll give it another go.  The Wall is the only one I still listen to with any regularity, but I'm always up for adding more to the catalog.

 

[Ghost Rider]

If someone wants to say that Wish You Were Here is as good or better than Dark Side, I can see it.  WYWH is also that good. 

 

[DocHolliday]

I cannot keep up with this thread! 

I stated earlier that I didn't like classic rock growing up.  That included Zep and Floyd.  If it wasn't heavy metal, I didn't like it.  I did hang out with friends in college that were huge Zep and Floyd fans so I listened to (and enjoyed) Zep and Floyd at times though. 

Eventually, I was wise enough to really listen to Zep and Floyd and fell in love.  The Beatles will always be the greatest rock band to me but LZ is a close second.  And, I listen to way more Zeppelin than Beatles these days. 

Zep II is my favorite album of theirs but a few others are probably just as good.  No need to even bother with that discussion since greatness is greatness.

Floyd is a different animal and its easy to see why some folks don't get it.  It is odd.  It is beautiful.  It should be no surprise that the Wall is my favorite Floyd album since it contains so many rock songs but I often listen to Wish or Dark Side straight through when I can just settle down, relax, and actually focus on music for about 30 minutes. 

 

[rockaction]

Funny that the new wavers/punk aficionados like Wish You Were Here the best, or am I misjudging this? 

 

[Buzzbait]

KZ has many different models and rev their line frequently.

This is a good review site.

Thanks for posting. Always looking for good in ears that don't break the bank. The ones in the store are all crap. Just bought the KZ ED16. For just $20 is worth a shot. 

 

[jamny]

I'll never forget driving through Death Valley and Pink Floyd's Time comes on the radio, right in the area of the park that goes back and forth multiple times. What a surreal experience.

 

[Anarchy99]

IMO, the live performances by PF so trump their studio versions that I have a hard time listening to their studio albums. For us old timers, DSOTM was a mainstay and pretty much was overplayed then and now. For the younger new to PF contingent, DSOTM could have a familiarity factor that they may have heard some of the songs a few times. No doubt DSOTM is one of the pillars of rock, but musically the band had better work IMO. It's certainly a decent place to start for the uninitiated, but I prefer WYWH and Animals better. Animals never got the love or notoriety that their other albums did, but I find the music to be some of their best work.

If anyone wants a sampler of some of their best live material, shoot me a PM and I would be happy to mail some to you.

 

[rustycolts]

I have seen Floyd several times.  Never with Syd but with both Gilmore and Waters and without Waters.  All were great.  The best concert I ever saw was in Munich during the Animals tour.  It was completely awesome all the special effects.  Giant pigs flying over you with red beams shooting out of their eyes.  I have seen a lot of concerts in my younger days including Zep and I can honestly say no one puts on a better show.

 

[Anarchy99]

I have seen Floyd several times.  Never with Sid but with both Gilmore and Waters and without Waters.  All were great.  The best concert I ever saw was in Munich during the Animals tour.  It was completely awesome all the special effects.  Giant pigs flying over you with red beams shooting out of their eyes.  I have seen a lot of concerts in my younger days including Zep and I can honestly say no one puts on a better show.

Well that's spooky. Am currently listening to one of the '77 Munich shows and saw your post.

 

[rustycolts]

Two of my favorite tunes by Floyd are off the Ummagumma album probably because of the names more than anything else.  Careful with that axe Eugene and Several Species of Small Furry Animals Gathered Together in A Cave and Grooving with A Pict

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tMpGdG27K9o

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ICbbPSXUAmY

 

[rustycolts]

Well that's spooky. Am currently listening to one of the '77 Munich shows and saw your post.

That is when I saw them in 77.  I was over there working for my Uncle.

 

[Joe Mammy]

I saw the Animals tour at the Miami Baseball stadium in '77. It was the first concert I'd ever attended that had a quad stack of speakers around the stadium. I was sitting almost right in the middle of the stacks in the outfield, the sound was amazing!

The wind was really blowing off of Biscayne Bay right by the open stadium. At the beginning of the show they had two mechanical cranes on each side of the stage moving around with lights and they both starting pouring off pyro effects of sparks flowing down on each side of the stage- only they had not reckoned on the strong winds. The sparks were flowing down right on top of keyboardist Richard Wrights head and he suddenly was faced with his hair catching on fire and raced off the stage! They took a short break and resumed without the sparks.

Great show with flying pigs but what I remember the most was that quad sound blew me away!

 

[Anarchy99]

That is when I saw them in 77.  I was over there working for my Uncle.

IMO, the Animals tour was by far their best. All of WYWH, all of Animals, with Money and Us and Them for encores. But they would extend all the songs and get to two and a half hours of music. Not that anyone else cares, but my favorite all time PF show is the final night of the 77 tour in Montreal. Gilmour is on fire and the band plays angry the entire show.

 

[Eephus]

Dark Side of the Rainbow (full 43 minute version)

Acid not provided.

 

[wikkidpissah]

My parents, while in high school, saw The Doors at the Hollywood Bowl in 1968 with Steppenwolf and the Chambers Brothers. I never have and never will experience anything that cool.

My first rock concert, Feb '68, Boston Armory, Doors and Blue Cheer. Morrison acted like he didn't want to be there until he focused on this stage decoration that looked like a crisscross indoor closeline. He stared at it a sec then threw himself into it and thrashed like Bruce the Shark destroying the Orca in Jaws. Once that was trash on the floor, his bored croon turned into a menacing growl and everyone in the house was mesmerized for the rest of the show. Stuff like that never leaves you and boy am i glad it dont.

 

[Anarchy99]

My parents, while in high school, saw The Doors at the Hollywood Bowl in 1968 with Steppenwolf and the Chambers Brothers. I never have and never will experience anything that cool.

I was shocked to learn that my HS in Connecticut was one of the few places that was available for people to perform in during the 60's. There just weren't a lot of venues. So artists like The Doors, Cream, Simon & Garfunkel, The Animals, The Yardbirds, The Byrds, etc. all played on the same auditorium stage as I did, just many years earlier.

 

[wikkidpissah]

Dark Side lost the Floyd a good half its fans when it came out, considered by loyalists to be the greatest copout of all time.

I never had much use for them except that i was a special education aide in '72 and we discovered that we could use Meddle to tranquilize the autistics. But music was such a social thing then and Pink Floyd's twice-a-year concerts @ Boston's wonderful Music Hall were the HIGHlights of the Psychedelist calendar. I remember the Atom Heart Mother tour (highlighted by the band lining the concert hall 360° with speakers controlled by a silver stick on Richard Wright's keyboard bank, by which he made the activities in Alan's Psychedelic Breakfast cross back and forth thru the hall) which was so trippy that some yahoo fell out of the balcony and it took forever for help to arrive because everyone thought it was an effect.

But almost all those folk thought DSotM was a giant turdburger and became even more outraged to see the great unwashed seize upon it so. Just like i can tell if someone is a real Patriots fan if they know how little the city cared about them for the first 25 yrs of their existence, i know a true Floydster by their awareness of Dark Side's real place in their oeuvre.

ETA: Never having been terribly invested in the band, i like their psychedelic and rock phases equally well.

 

[Anarchy99]

Dark Side lost the Floyd a good half its fans when it came out, considered by loyalists to be the greatest copout of all time.

I never had much use for them except that i was a special education aide in '72 and we discovered that we could use Meddle to tranquilize the autistics. But music was such a social thing then and Pink Floyd's twice-a-year concerts @ Boston's wonderful Music Hall were the HIGHlights of the Psychedelist calendar. I remember the Atom Heart Mother tour (highlighted by the band lining the concert hall 360° with speakers controlled by a silver stick on Richard Wright's keyboard bank, by which he made the activities in Alan's Psychedelic Breakfast cross back and forth thru the hall) which was so trippy that some yahoo fell out of the balcony and it took forever for help to arrive because everyone thought it was an effect.

But almost all those folk thought DSotM was a giant turdburger and became even more outraged when the gret unwashed seize upon it so. Just like i can tell if someone is a real Patriots fan if they know how little the city cared about them for the first 25 yrs of their existence, i know a true Floydster by their awareness of Dark Side's real place in their oeuvre.

I will say this about DSOTM. When they first started playing Dark Side live in January of 1972, it was very different to the way the songs were performed on the album that came out 14 months later. It started out more in the avant garde style that they were known for and slowly morphed into what we know it as today. Those early shows are quite interesting to listen to, although the sound quality for most of them is far from audiophile quality.

 

[shuke]

I don't think I've listened to dark side since college, when music via internet was in its infancy and we still had cd's.  IIRC there isn't any one song that's really all that good by itself. 

What about the best PF song of all time?

 

[zamboni]

DSOTM isn't for everyone and that's understandable. It's a audio masterpiece though whether you like Floyd or not (just ask Alan Parsons - he'll tell you). Not a big fan of Money, but the rest I could listen to without getting tired of them.