Abbey Road is a true Classic Rock Album. Just magnificent from start to finish. Rubber Soul and Revolver are top notch as well and I can see whre a fan, myself included, may choose one of them as a better album but imo Abbey Road is the definitive pinnacle for the BEatles.
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Classic Album Discussion Thread: The Kinks-Lola Versus Powerman and the Moneygoround, Pt. 1 (2 Viewers)
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Godsbrother
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Dominated by Paul but certainly I would not say "all Paul".
The coolest thing about the LP is that the band found a way to "come together" for one more magnificent LP. The prior two LP recording sessions, "The Beatles" and "Get Back" were recorded during very acrimonious times to the point where long time engineer Geoff Emerick quit and producer George Martin was not present for much of the time.
Only weeks after the Get Back sessions broke down Paul called Martin asking him to come back and to record an LP "like we used to do". Martin (and Emerick) agreed as long as the rest of the Beatles allowed them to. For the most part the sessions went fine and the Beatles got along well enough to make one of the greatest LPs of all time.
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Raging weasel
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My favorite album by my favorite band. If the Abbey Road medley was considered a single song it would be my fav tune of theirs by alot. A perfect end to their time together it showcases all their different styles and talents.
I'd likely choose Zep over the Beatles if I could only have one catalogue and I do appreciate why so many go with the Stones over the BEatles but to imply that The Beatles aren't Mount Rushmore of rock material is crazy talk and if that Is the case then there is no way they can be considered over rated.
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The way I look at it music is subjective and everyone is entitled to their opinion so debating who was better than someone else is pointless.
I think people describing the Beatles as overrated do not appreciate the amazing innovations in the writing, recording and production of their music compared to their contemporaries and the incredible influence they had (and continue to have). No other band even comes close and that is pretty much indisputable.
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Hmmm. Mount Rushmore of Rock...
Definitions of words aside, yeah the Beatles are there. Zeppelin as well. I am a huge fan of Queen but I don't know if they make the top 4 all time. Stones maybe. I'd have to think about it.
Would be an interesting thread discussion though on top of this and the top 3 threads...……. Some kind of voting thread and breakdown of the FFA's rock Mount Rushmore.
Definitions of words aside, yeah the Beatles are there. Zeppelin as well. I am a huge fan of Queen but I don't know if they make the top 4 all time. Stones maybe. I'd have to think about it.
Would be an interesting thread discussion though on top of this and the top 3 threads...……. Some kind of voting thread and breakdown of the FFA's rock Mount Rushmore.
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Godsbrother
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For me it would be: Elvis, Beatles, Dylan and the Stones though those are not necessarily my favorites.
Hell, just to be comprehensive and due to sheer number of candidates lets make it a Mount Olympus pantheon. Elvis, Dylan, Beatles, Stones, Zep
Step down: The Who, Floyd, Cream, Chuck Berry( perhaps top tier), Buddy Holly, Sabbath, Bruce
Step down: Velvet Underground, Animals, Aerosmith, Traffic, Doors...
Step down: The Who, Floyd, Cream, Chuck Berry( perhaps top tier), Buddy Holly, Sabbath, Bruce
Step down: Velvet Underground, Animals, Aerosmith, Traffic, Doors...
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Yeah, it would be hard to leave off Elvis. I hate Bob Dylan...…………… voice. His writing is amazing but god I can't listen to the man sing.
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Yeah this is where definition of words and what is "rock" will bog down the discussion most likely.
I think the reason Mt. Rushmore type setups work for these talks though is the nature of the monument. You have the founder (Washington) the voice (Jefferson) the savior (Lincoln) and the example of American greatness (Roosevelt). Those are 4 solid categories in almost any ranking of things and people and events.
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When Abbey Road came out I was 11. I distinctly remember going to a friend's bday party and his mom had given him the album. He played it over and over again for hours and had us all singing along with Come Together before too long...
...I like playing along with She's So Heavy, it's pretty easy to pick out and is one of the first songs I learned on guitar. Great album!
...I like playing along with She's So Heavy, it's pretty easy to pick out and is one of the first songs I learned on guitar. Great album!
This is a good way to put it. I like it. Thanks. Now to whittle down my candidates.
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zamboni
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It would be hard to put together only four artists, but these are probably as good as any. Slightly different genres that are heavily influential in their own right, even if the Beatles themselves were influenced heavily by Elvis.
jwb
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Washington/Founder: Elvis
Jefferson/Voice: Beatles
Lincoln/Savior: Stones (because they kept it going even through Disco)
Teddy/American Greatness: Grateful Dead. (this one is the hardest, but through it all, the Dead were always there, playing their tunes.)
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Yeah this hijack is hard as hell. Beatles, Zep and Elvis I think hard to argue with, but if you had to argue with one of them it might be Elvis. The 4th is a really tough call for me. No arguments against the Stones or Dylan - not a huge Dead fan at all but I get that they are in the conversation. I wonder if you need to consider Michael Jackson or even Madonna.
We have this argument in various themes all the time, but just because "pop" isn't pure and is just as much marketing as anything doesn't mean that it isn't important or Rushmore worthy in the discussion.
I know another one that is really, really hard to not at least talk about, and that's Johnny Cash. Again, defining rock will be a problem, but you can't argue with the fact that he influenced….. hell, everyone. Though, then you will get the Hank Williams arguments and get bogged down in country.
This is hard.
We have this argument in various themes all the time, but just because "pop" isn't pure and is just as much marketing as anything doesn't mean that it isn't important or Rushmore worthy in the discussion.
I know another one that is really, really hard to not at least talk about, and that's Johnny Cash. Again, defining rock will be a problem, but you can't argue with the fact that he influenced….. hell, everyone. Though, then you will get the Hank Williams arguments and get bogged down in country.
This is hard.
jwb
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I could swap the stones and zep pretty easily in mine.
The Teddy spot is the most interesting. Because out of the four on Rushmore, he's the one that is more "wildcard" than "no brainer". That's why I picked the Dead, but I can't argue if someone went Petty or Allmans or Michael Jackson or yea, even Johnny Cash.
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AAABatteries
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We just going to ignore Chuck Berry in here?
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I think it's a function of "who you know you want on the list," right? If you stick with Beatles and Zep.... If you give Berry a spot leaving one left and, say, give it to Elvis..... a list of Berry, Elvis, Beatles and Zep is pretty dang impressive, but I think you then wonder about all the other potentials left off.
This is getting harder, not easier. And is taking way too much of my brain power and attention at the moment.
timschochet
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See, this isn't bad either.
But I will never fully approve a list that doesn't have Zep on it.
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Ilov80s
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Fun convo, let me jump in the Rushmore
1. Chuck Berry- he created what we consider rock- it certainly has it's roots through earlier artists and songs, but Chuck was the person who put it all together to create the definitive sound, style, bravado, etc.
2. The Beatles- they changed how rock could sound by expanding the instrumentation, improving recording techniques, developing concept albums, etc. They took something that had become formulaic arithmetic and turned it into advanced algebra.
3. Dylan- the Beatles changed how rock would sound, Dylan changed what rock could say. Before him it is mostly "She loves you yeah,yeah, yeah" and "Lets go surfing now, everybody's learning how", etc. The lyrics could have been penned by a 16 year old. Dylan made rock about protest, war, racism, surrealism, jealousy, and more mature relationship themes. He was a poet and once people heard what Dylan was saying, artists realized that rock could be intelligent and profound.
4. The Velvet Underground- they continued the path the Beatles and Dylan had paved with expanding the sound and sophistication of rock music, but did it with a new attitude: anarchy, nihilism, rejection of mainstream society, embracing the outcasts and misfits. They splintered the path of rock in the late 60s and that would lead to punk and new wave.
1. Chuck Berry- he created what we consider rock- it certainly has it's roots through earlier artists and songs, but Chuck was the person who put it all together to create the definitive sound, style, bravado, etc.
2. The Beatles- they changed how rock could sound by expanding the instrumentation, improving recording techniques, developing concept albums, etc. They took something that had become formulaic arithmetic and turned it into advanced algebra.
3. Dylan- the Beatles changed how rock would sound, Dylan changed what rock could say. Before him it is mostly "She loves you yeah,yeah, yeah" and "Lets go surfing now, everybody's learning how", etc. The lyrics could have been penned by a 16 year old. Dylan made rock about protest, war, racism, surrealism, jealousy, and more mature relationship themes. He was a poet and once people heard what Dylan was saying, artists realized that rock could be intelligent and profound.
4. The Velvet Underground- they continued the path the Beatles and Dylan had paved with expanding the sound and sophistication of rock music, but did it with a new attitude: anarchy, nihilism, rejection of mainstream society, embracing the outcasts and misfits. They splintered the path of rock in the late 60s and that would lead to punk and new wave.
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timschochet
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If it were up to me, sure.
But Bob Dylan doesn’t have a single Billboard #1 hit. Neither does Led Zeppelin for that matter. The Stones have plenty, and Michael is dominant in this area. I think this has to be considered.
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Ilov80s
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If it is for rock, no way MJ deserves a spot. If we did a pop rushmore, sure MJ is on there easily.
timschochet
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But I think he would have.
Your argument is a good one, but it’s better with Bach, whose music was largely discovered years after he died.
NeverEnough
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So you're the authority on music now? LOL Someone disagrees with you, deal with it.
yeah, I guess we're devolving now. I change my Mt Rushmore
Ugh(circa 2000bc) Cat could beat the rocks like no one before. Defintely founder
Percival(circa 250 AD)His lute playing was the genisis for all to come. Page, Clapton, Eddie V, all owe debt to Percival
Beethoven(leaving out Amadaues was the toughy)- reached a wider audience than any before and is still rlelvant today
Mariah Carey- Soo many #1's she cant be ignored
Ugh(circa 2000bc) Cat could beat the rocks like no one before. Defintely founder
Percival(circa 250 AD)His lute playing was the genisis for all to come. Page, Clapton, Eddie V, all owe debt to Percival
Beethoven(leaving out Amadaues was the toughy)- reached a wider audience than any before and is still rlelvant today
Mariah Carey- Soo many #1's she cant be ignored
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timschochet
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But Joe Montana is.
I’m not arguing that some one hit wonder is superior to Led Zeppelin for this discussion; I’m arguing that, all things being equal, The Rolling Stones probably are because they’re both elite bands with longevity, but the Stones had #1 hits.
Epic Problem
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Pretty sure I'm not alone in this thinking. I'm just the one voicing it.
PS. I just adore the 'here's my opinion on music' then scoff at it being questioned. Its cute how oblivious you are to the fact that by doing this you're the one that's acting as the authority on music.
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Ilov80s
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I was mostly just kidding around, but I don't think popularity of the moment matters much. The Velvet Underground barely ever even crackeed the Billboard Top 200 Albums. I don't think that diminishes their greatness. Citizen Kane, Willy Wonka, even Wizard of Oz weren't big hits with audiences of the time despite critical acclaim.
Bruce Dickinson
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I was aware of The Beatles as a kid. But my real Beatles education came in middle school. The local classic rock station opened the 4:00 pm hour every day with three Beatles songs, not always deep cuts but from all over their catalog. Every once in a while the station would play Side 2 of Abbey Road in its entirety uninterrupted.
With streaming music today and even the Beatles 24/8 (sic) station on SiriusXM that seems unremarkable, but at the time it was a big deal. The segment became so popular the morning show at the station copied it with a weekly “Breakfast With The Beatles” run of Beatles songs.
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