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Classic Album Discussion Thread: The Kinks-Lola Versus Powerman and the Moneygoround, Pt. 1 (2 Viewers)

timschochet said:
He's trying to come up with rhymes for "Pretender". Cut him some slack.
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No slack Jack(son).  I have four decades of built up resentment over the line.

He only used legal tender (twice), fender, end there, spender, contender and surrender in the song.

There are plenty of other options left including transgender, splendor, engender, render, blender, bender, defender, offender, distender, east ender, bartender, return to sender, Michael Fassbender and Wim Wenders.

 
Eephus said:
No slack Jack(son).  I have four decades of built up resentment over the line.

He only used legal tender (twice), fender, end there, spender, contender and surrender in the song.

There are plenty of other options left including transgender, splendor, engender, render, blender, bender, defender, offender, distender, east ender, bartender, return to sender, Michael Fassbender and Wim Wenders.
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For one of the better songwriters of his time, it really is a massive mistake. Not sure how it happened honestly.

 
Bartender, please render the splendor of your blender like a transgender east ender offender on a bender and be my drink vendor or engender my view of you aaaaaaas.....a pretender.

 
Eephus said:
No slack Jack(son).  I have four decades of built up resentment over the line.

He only used legal tender (twice), fender, end there, spender, contender and surrender in the song.

There are plenty of other options left including transgender, splendor, engender, render, blender, bender, defender, offender, distender, east ender, bartender, return to sender, Michael Fassbender and Wim Wenders.
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and the children solemnly wait for the ice cream bartender ?

 
He reminds me of simple times when our local shed (the late, great Garden State Arts Center (some of Running On Empty recorded there) before all the corporate naming bs) would seemingly have acts like Jackson Browne, Neil Young,  James Taylor, Marshall Tucker Band et al every season. Now were stuck with the Country Six Pack and whatever package tours come through.

I don't mind listening to him, but rarely seek him out on my own. 

 
DocHolliday said:
I like some Jackson Browne songs but not enough to own any of his albums.  His greatest hits album is probably pretty good. 
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This is where I am.  He has some songs I like a lot, but he's never been an artist I felt the need to dig into past the known hits.  I'm not sure I even know a single song from his debut. 

 
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timschochet said:
I’m sure you know “Doctor My Eyes”. Fairly big hit. 
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Ironically, I checked it out right before seeing this post, as the name sorta sounded familiar.  It almost sounds like something I've heard, but then again I can't tell if it is a song I heard way back in the day or if it just sounds like other Jackson Browne songs I know. 

 
timschochet said:
I’m sure you know “Doctor My Eyes”. Fairly big hit. 
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Love this song, but not a big fan of the rest of his stuff. 

My sophomore year of college, he was humongous - "Running On Empty" was everywhere.  And even bigger with the girls. 

Always put him with the Dan Fogelberg crew.  Meh. 

 
Man, some of you dudes have listened to a lot of albums.  It's like every performer we cover, someone's like, "oh, ______ is pretty good, but ________ and _____ are a lot better".

Just curious, did you guys own all these albums growing up?  Like every single album released?  I have a lot of "albums" in my collection, whether CD or digital, but most are from a finite number of bands.  I really like some Jackson Browne, but I've never in my life thought about buying one of his CDs.  Most of what I know is what I heard on classic radio years ago.  

 
timschochet said:
Neutral Milk Hotel- In the Aeroplane Over the Sea (1998)

The King of Carrot Flowers Pt. 1

The King of Carrot Flowers Pt. 2 & 3

In the Aeroplane Over the Sea

Two-Headed Boy

The Fool

Holland, 1945

Communist Daughter

Oh Comely

Ghost

Untitled

Two-Headed Boy, Pt. 2

Although this record is now 20 years old, I had never heard of it, or the artist, until it was mentioned by a few people in this forum a couple of years back. I read about it and learned it was critically acclaimed; then I listened to it and found it outstanding: lush, great melodies. Apparently the whole album is about Anne Frank, though I’m not sure so would get that from the lyrics without having been told it beforehand. Whatever; it’s an impressive work of alternative rock nonetheless. 
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Never heard of it. I just put it on using spotify. Kind of excited to hear something people say is a classic that I never heard of before. I gotta say I am not a fan of this trumpet in the first song.

 
After listening to the Neutral Milk Hotel album I can say is not my cup of tea. I am about half way through and I am changing it.

I never besmirch anyone's taste in music as it is so subjective. I will just say this is not for me and move on.

 
shuke said:
Man, some of you dudes have listened to a lot of albums.  It's like every performer we cover, someone's like, "oh, ______ is pretty good, but ________ and _____ are a lot better".

Just curious, did you guys own all these albums growing up?  Like every single album released?  I have a lot of "albums" in my collection, whether CD or digital, but most are from a finite number of bands.  I really like some Jackson Browne, but I've never in my life thought about buying one of his CDs.  Most of what I know is what I heard on classic radio years ago.  
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I've been an obsessive music nerd for the past 45 years except for a few years in the 90s. I've tied up too many of my dwindling brain cells on musical stuff rather than what Mrs. Eephus allegedly told me a couple of days ago.

I'm not a big Jackson Browne fan and only ever owned a couple of his records but one of my college roommates had all of them up through Hold Out.  I haven't listened to much of Browne's 80s material but not too many others have either.

 
Deep Purple- Machine Head (1972)

Highway Star

Maybe I’m A Leo

Pictures of Home

Never Before

Smoke on the Water

Lazy

Truckin’ 

Well, this album was recorded around the same time as Jackson Browne’s debut, but perhaps it was on a different planet? This is hard rock, perhaps the best hard rock ever (certainly featuring a song with the most famous hard rock guitar riff in history.) Starting with “Highway Star” this record simply moves and never stops.  :headbang:

 
Lazy is best song on this album. Other than that, three way-overplayed classics that just don't do it for me any more surrounded by generic rock blah.

 
shuke said:
Lazy is best song on this album. Other than that, three way-overplayed classics that just don't do it for me any more surrounded by generic rock blah.
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I don't know what radio station you are listening to - or what bar you are hanging out at - if you are hearing Space Truckin' and Highway Star being overplayed.  

Is this the Mason VFW?

 
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Browne didn't always get the lyrics right, but he often did. 

You're lost inside your houses
There's no time to find you now
While your walls are burning
And your towers are turning
I'm going to leave you here
And try to get down to the sea somehow

 
Binky The Doormat said:
I don't know what radio station you are listening to - or what bar you are hanging out at - if you are hearing Space Truckin' and Highway Star being overplayed.  

Is this the Mason VFW?
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Space Truckin' and Highway Star have been played for years on WTUE and WOFX.

 
Currently getting DP'd for the first time. The Machine Head is pretty good. Maybe I'm a Leo wasn't working for me but Pictures of Home was cooking. 

 
Ilov80s said:
Currently getting DP'd for the first time. The Machine Head is pretty good. Maybe I'm a Leo wasn't working for me but Pictures of Home was cooking. 
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Saw them live with original singer Ian recently. Really liked pictures of home. Yngwie does a pretty good version too.

 
shuke said:
Space Truckin' and Highway Star have been played for years on WTUE and WOFX.
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It’s weird how areas must be different because I’m not sure I’ve ever heard Space Truckin on the radio. Highway Star and SOTW of course.

i mentioned during the Appetite for Destruction discussion that in the 80s I saw a bill labeled “Three Generations of Heavy Metal” which was GnR, Deep Purple, and Aerosmith. I went more for the openers and closers. I was never a big Deep Purple fan, not that I dislike them just a band that the radio hits never lead me to explore more. In fact I’ve never listened to this record once - I think the only DP album I ever owned was their comeback album Perfect Strangers mostly due to MTV exposure.

 
I always thought Lazy would have been much better as an instrumental. The song goes from really great to just okay once the vocals come in (not that his singing is bad, obviously, just that the vocal melodies do not stand out).  Smoke on the Water is clearly a beast of a classic...that riff.  :headbang:

However, for whatever reason, Deep Purple was never a band I cared for that much outside of those two and a few more songs.  Given my taste in music, they should be right up my alley, but they just don't connect with me all that much. 

 
While I might put In Rock ahead of it, Machine Head is a great album. Ian Gillan is one of my favorite vocalists from that era, even with Sabbath on Born Again. Just an incredible voice. My first exposure to them, outside of radio play, was Made in Europe with David Coverdale on vocals. I actually wanted Made in Japan but the store didn't have it. I played the hell out of it though. I didn't own a lot of their albums and wasn't their biggest fan but still dig the hits. Also didn't know until now about their earlier orchestral works. Gonna check them out.

Deep Purple led me to Rainbow and on to the great Ronnie James Dio.(RIP)  Many years of great music!

 
Machine Head is an outstanding - just top notch musicianship from top to bottom  and powerhouse vocals by Gillan.

But to continue the “it’s great, but I like x better”, IMO In Rock is even stronger.

 
zamboni said:
Machine Head is an outstanding - just top notch musicianship from top to bottom  and powerhouse vocals by Gillan.

But to continue the “it’s great, but I like x better”, IMO In Rock is even stronger.
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I think In Rock is more important - came out around the same time as Black Sabbath and Zep II, and really added another angle to the new heavy rock. Those three albums made the template for all of the hard rock to come.

Machine Head is, IMO, a little better. It's their ZoSo or Paranoid. But I'm really splitting hairs here.

Deep Purple doesn't get the credit, generally, that LZ or Sabbath do. But they should - they had a better singer than the other two and they used (sometimes overused) keyboards to great effect on even their heaviest songs. They also played faster than their compatriots when they wanted to - "Highway Star", for one.

I think part of their problem was that their peak was short and they never had a "presence" like Zep or Sabbath. Plus, they changed lineups so often no one could keep up with who the band even was

 
timschochet said:
Deep Purple- Machine Head (1972)

Highway Star

Maybe I’m A Leo

Pictures of Home

Never Before

Smoke on the Water

Lazy

Truckin’ 

Well, this album was recorded around the same time as Jackson Browne’s debut, but perhaps it was on a different planet? This is hard rock, perhaps the best hard rock ever (certainly featuring a song with the most famous hard rock guitar riff in history.) Starting with “Highway Star” this record simply moves and never stops.  :headbang:
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Space Truckin, Lazy, and Highway Star, they still get me going today.

Lazy has it all, one of my top songs ever. The intro is just simply awesome.

 
Uruk-Hai said:
Deep Purple doesn't get the credit, generally, that LZ or Sabbath do. But they should - they had a better singer than the other two and they used (sometimes overused) keyboards to great effect on even their heaviest songs. They also played faster than their compatriots when they wanted to - "Highway Star", for one.

I think part of their problem was that their peak was short and they never had a "presence" like Zep or Sabbath. Plus, they changed lineups so often no one could keep up with who the band even was
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Plus, they didn't have nearly as much as great songs as LZ or Sabbath. 

 
I heard Highway Star for the first time in a weird way. Warner/Reprise, the most eclectic record label, used to put out samplers - albums featuring songs from upcoming albums of artists on their label -  3-4 times a year.They were only $1.49, i think, but I never bought them cuz, for every Frank Zappa or Bonnie Raitt track that hadn't been on an album yet there'd be lame #### like Odetta or Four Freshmen and stuff like that.

During the time I was a runaway, one of my regular stops hitchhiking across the country was this hippie commune in St Mary's Ohio where a girl i grew up with lived. They were a very poor, very weird Christian cult that if you stayed longer than an hour they'd put you to work digging postholes or herding cows but my friend Siobhan loved seeing me, so i'd stop down to her li'l slice of nowhere if i could every time.

The last time i did, they were very proud that they had finally gotten electricity to the main house and, after their prayers thanking the Lord for the opportunity to have said prayers about saying prayers earlier for the guy who said grace at dinner, they decided to have a rock & roll record party. They brought out this kiddie record player and put on one of like three records they had, a lame-o Warner Sampler. After some delightful tracks from Pentangle & Trini Lopez or whatever, the driving beat and definitive Ian Gillan howl which begins Highway Star comes on. The blissed out Christians treated it no differently than the other tracks and probably prayed for Richie Blackmore before bed. So, i enjoyed possibly the greatest hard rock song of all time for the first time on a Howdy Doody record player at cult headquarters in the flats of western Ohio. So there's that....

 
Ilov80s said:
Currently getting DP'd for the first time. The Machine Head is pretty good. Maybe I'm a Leo wasn't working for me but Pictures of Home was cooking. 
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Pictures of Home is awesome. The main songs have been overplayed though

Uruk-Hai said:
Deep Purple doesn't get the credit, generally, that LZ or Sabbath do. But they should - they had a better singer than the other two and they used (sometimes overused) keyboards to great effect on even their heaviest songs. They also played faster than their compatriots when they wanted to - "Highway Star", for one.

I think part of their problem was that their peak was short and they never had a "presence" like Zep or Sabbath. Plus, they changed lineups so often no one could keep up with who the band even was
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I agree with this. Richie Blackmore is a criminally underrated guitarist (even though he is highly rated), even if he was an ####### and then exiled himself in folk music.

Jimmy Page is better for having a more diverse pallette, but Richie could rock the #### out of some blues (like Mistreated)

 
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Uruk-Hai said:
No hard rock band has as many great songs as Zep. But I think Deep Purple's best is better than anything Black Sabbath did (& I like Sabbath).
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Well, as always, YMMV, but Sabbath basically created a genre, and that helps when it comes to historical credibility. 

 
Ghost Rider said:
Well, as always, YMMV, but Sabbath basically created a genre, and that helps when it comes to historical credibility. 
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Led Zep, Deep Purple, Black Sabbath - the Triumvirate of Early Heavy. We can argue the order in which they should be venerated but that seems a bit like a waste of time

 
I’m listening to In Rock right now. Not sure I’ve really given it a listen before. Great stuff. 

BTW, in the Deep Purple vs LZ vs Sabbath discussion, there might be a another blues band or 2 that you guys are neglecting. But we’ll get to them. 

 
Speaking of which I was at the commemorative concert yday for the first ever Led Zeppelin concert (as the New Yardbirds) - Sept 7 1968, in Gladsaxe, Denmark - a superb British cover band (CODA) stood in for the originals, played on the same stage, in the same gym hall, on the very same boards that Robert, Jimmy, John Paul and Bonzo played on, together for the first time. There were even a few at the concert that had been at the original show, including rock photographer Jørgen Angel.

It was glorious

 
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