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Cleveland Browns Win Coin Toss (1 Viewer)
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GroveDiesel
Footballguy
Good News: Something finally went right for the Browns
Bad News: Something just went horribly bad for the 3rd pick in the draft (unless the Browns trade the pick)
Bad News: Something just went horribly bad for the 3rd pick in the draft (unless the Browns trade the pick)
SuperJohn96
RPS World Champion
R.I.P. whoever gets drafted by them...
no, just "obtained" a staph infectiondid Magic "obtain" or "attain" the HIV??
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Couch Potato
Footballguy
This probably just means CLE gets the privilege of paying more for the guy they would have gotten at #4 anyway.
I think RB Peterson was going to CLE and WR Johnson to TB either way.
I think RB Peterson was going to CLE and WR Johnson to TB either way.
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Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
Buddy Ball 2K3
Footballguy
Yeah I think its something like 4 years in a row a browns player has gotten a staph infection. I suggest they clean up their facility and spray more crap on the walls.
THE UNDERCOVER BROTHA
Footballguy
I think they go A.Peterson too...which cant be too good for him.
But he will get the rock alot. But without Bentley there line is in shambles.
But he will get the rock alot. But without Bentley there line is in shambles.
prymetyme25
Footballguy
I dont think they take AD. Because I dont think Det takes Thomas. I think their will be a Defensive player emerge and make Det seriously consider him at #2. Or I could really see Det Trading down.
THE UNDERCOVER BROTHA
Footballguy
So what you saying, they will draft J.Thomas??? If they think he is the next great back i dont see why they wont take him, although i dont think its in there best needs. Since there team has so many holes. Most in the top dont have the luxurly to take him cause of there holes....except for maybe Minnesota. But if they think he is the next great rb...who knows.
Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
I think you'll see a bit of movement in the top 5 spots. It makes no sense for Detroit to have the #2, Cleveland the #3, and Arizona the #5.
I know the charts say that it is almost too expensive for the Cardinals to move up to #2, that's why I think Detroit should be willing to accept less, but still end up with extra picks in the process.
The same holds for Cleveland. They could hold Minnesota hostage if the Vikings (for example) want to move from #7 to #3 to get Johnson, which in that case Minnesota WON'T move up, or they could accept a bit less yet still gain by being in position at #7 to draft an impact player for their team and get more picks/players.
The point is that the top teams can ask for the moon and get nothing or ask for less and get something, with the latter being better for their franchises as opposed to picking where they're currently at.
I know the charts say that it is almost too expensive for the Cardinals to move up to #2, that's why I think Detroit should be willing to accept less, but still end up with extra picks in the process.
The same holds for Cleveland. They could hold Minnesota hostage if the Vikings (for example) want to move from #7 to #3 to get Johnson, which in that case Minnesota WON'T move up, or they could accept a bit less yet still gain by being in position at #7 to draft an impact player for their team and get more picks/players.
The point is that the top teams can ask for the moon and get nothing or ask for less and get something, with the latter being better for their franchises as opposed to picking where they're currently at.
I agree with this sentiment except swap out the name Peterson for Quinn.
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prymetyme25
Footballguy
My thoughts exactly
Kiddnets
Footballguy
I agree completely but these GMs seem married to their value charts these days - probably because every fan can get a copy of it and then cry bloody murder that their team only got back 1,000 pts in value instead of the 1,200 the chart dictates!!
Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
Does anyone have a chart that shows the average cost of each pick? Seems to me the money that teams like the Lions & Browns would save by moving out of the #2/3 pick would be better used in free agency or signing long term any talent they do have on the roster (which isn't much otherwise they wouldn't be picking #2/3).I mean, wouldn't you rather have the #5-10 pick and an extra few million to spend than just having a top 5 pick? Maybe I'm wrong...
T Man
Footballguy
THe Browns will either hope JaMarcus Russell "falls" to them or they will make a move up to get him. Russell is from Mobile, AL. Savage is from Mobile. Savage has run camps in Mobile for the past 10-15 summers -- camps which Russell attended in HS. Savage knows Russell well. THe Browns aren't sold on the QB, so the pick will be QB.
My thought is a trade up with the Raiders. Rumors are that the Raiders are looking to trade Moss to the Jags (and Mike Tice) for Lefty and picks plus possibly a WR. THis opens the door for a trade down for more picks with the Browns. At that point the Raiders can try for CJ , J. Thomas or even Quinn. They could also move down further and pick up more picks -- as they need a lot of help.
I would not be surprised if Kiffin attempted to make due with Walters and a QB from the heap (like Lefty) until he builds the OL and the remaining skill positions.
My thought is a trade up with the Raiders. Rumors are that the Raiders are looking to trade Moss to the Jags (and Mike Tice) for Lefty and picks plus possibly a WR. THis opens the door for a trade down for more picks with the Browns. At that point the Raiders can try for CJ , J. Thomas or even Quinn. They could also move down further and pick up more picks -- as they need a lot of help.
I would not be surprised if Kiffin attempted to make due with Walters and a QB from the heap (like Lefty) until he builds the OL and the remaining skill positions.
Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
Now that's the first rumor I've heard in a long time that makes any sense. I was thinking that Lefty would seem to be a good fit in Oakland. And the Jags WR corps is upgraded with Moss (and I'm not a big fan of Moss' talent level right now).
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prymetyme25
Footballguy
sounds good but dont see that much movement via trade in the nfl
T Man
Footballguy
It's a rumor floating out there. I don't think Lefty fits in well with Oakland -- immobile QB behind a weak OL. However, he is a lot like Plunkett - whom AL loves -- immobile but with a BIG ARM and tough. For that reason, I could see a trade going down. Plus scouts say JaMarcus is a lot like Lefty. Why not try for a cheaper, more experienced version and hope for the best. Al loves his retread QBs -- as several have served him well over the years.
Kip Dynamite
Footballguy
Here is what they should do........
1. Draft Calvin Johnson- He is the best offensive weapon in this draft.
2. Draft Drew Stanton with the second round pick. He could be a steal in this year's draft, and he will have a ton of weapons to throw to.
3. Trade for Thomas Jones.- Jones wants traded and Cleveland maybe can snatch him up with a 4th round pick.
This will give them a high power offense for years to come. Of course they will be the 2006 version of the Arizona Cardinals, but they could focus next season on building an offensive line.
Just a thought
1. Draft Calvin Johnson- He is the best offensive weapon in this draft.
2. Draft Drew Stanton with the second round pick. He could be a steal in this year's draft, and he will have a ton of weapons to throw to.
3. Trade for Thomas Jones.- Jones wants traded and Cleveland maybe can snatch him up with a 4th round pick.
This will give them a high power offense for years to come. Of course they will be the 2006 version of the Arizona Cardinals, but they could focus next season on building an offensive line.
Just a thought
AtomicDogg97
Footballguy
If the Browns did that the entire city of Cleveland would riot. They don't need wide receivers or quarterbacks. They need linemen, bad. Very bad. On both sides of the ball.And because they have so many holes, there is no way in the world they would trade picks to move up a few slots like some people suggested.
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Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
Well now this I didn't know. Apparently Cleveland & Tampa alternate 3rd & 4th picks throughout the draft:
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King of the Jungle
Footballguy
Why has everyone discounted WASH taking CJ at #4? I know they have a lot of money wrapped into a bunch of overrated WRs, but it is WASH we are talking about. They have a lot of money wrapped up in a bunch of overrated players.
prymetyme25
Footballguy
Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
You mean other than the fact that Washington picks #5?
Bobcat10
Footballguy
The Browns pick 3rd and the Bucs pick 4th....
massraider
Footballguy
Yeah, I could see Cleveland and Tampa making a move if TB is that hot for Calvin. I wonder if teams are going to be chasing this one WR around the top 3 though, with other solid options available in the draft. CJ is, after all, still just a WR.I sincerely hope there's no legs to those Leftwich rumors. His lack of mobility is a major problem, and will surely be magnified in Oakland. By the way, the Russell/Leftwich comparison might be the worst one I've ever heard. I don't care what PFT says, I find it hard to believe there are scouts that ignorant with jobs.I think Oakland stays put. Trading for the #1 pick is expensive, I don't really see that one player that teams are willing to do anything for. CJ is the closest thing.With Cleveland running the 3-4, doesn't that kind of take Adams and Branch out of the mix? I would have to think Quinn and Peterson would be considered the front runners. If Cleveland is insistent upon improving their line, then maybe the Minny deal makes sense, they can grab some picks, and still take Levi Brown.
King of the Jungle
Footballguy
My bad.
Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
No big deal.My bad.
But if CJ were there for Washington at #5, I think they'd take him in a heartbeat. Yes they overpaid for Lloyd and Randle-El, but what did they get to show for it?
GroveDiesel
Footballguy
That's not the only place that that happens either. I'm not sure if this is the first year that they're doing it this way or if it's just the first year that I realized it, but teams that have the same record will rotate picks:
cstu
Footballguy
If the Browns indeed plan to take Peterson then it would make sense for them to trade down with the Redskins so the Skins can take CJ.
prymetyme25
Footballguy
The coin that they flipped was nice. wouldn't mind have that. 
And yes I am a dork so what.
And yes I am a dork so what.
JMon348
Footballguy
Andy Dufresne said:No big deal.King of the Jungle said:My bad.Andy Dufresne said:
But if CJ were there for Washington at #5, I think they'd take him in a heartbeat. Yes they overpaid for Lloyd and Randle-El, but what did they get to show for it?
ur actually incorrect to Andy, Washington picks 6th and AZ picks 5th 
Guinis72
Footballguy
Actually, the Skins pick 6th (Arizona is 5th). Regardless, I would be floored if we took a WR after the free agents we picked up last year, as well as the serious needs at DT, DE, CB, and S. After all, we passed on Mike Williams at 1.9 (good move in hindsight) although we needed a WR very badly at that time and he appeared to be great value there.
I agree with the above about CLE dealing the 1.3. I think it makes too much sense for them to swap picks with MIN and still get Peterson at 1.7 as well as a few extra picks. This may be dangerous though with the Skins picking at 1.6 and without another pick until the 5th round. I could see another team trying to sneak in front of CLE at 1.7 for Peterson and I'm sure the Redskins would entertain almost any offer to get a couple more picks as long as their 1st rounder would be a huge drop down.
ETA: Dang, JMon beat me to the punch! Lol.
I agree with the above about CLE dealing the 1.3. I think it makes too much sense for them to swap picks with MIN and still get Peterson at 1.7 as well as a few extra picks. This may be dangerous though with the Skins picking at 1.6 and without another pick until the 5th round. I could see another team trying to sneak in front of CLE at 1.7 for Peterson and I'm sure the Redskins would entertain almost any offer to get a couple more picks as long as their 1st rounder would be a huge drop down.
ETA: Dang, JMon beat me to the punch! Lol.
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JMon348
Footballguy
in happiness if we traded up to 3 and get Calvin.
Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
Can someone help me get this :eggonmyface: smilie to work?Andy Dufresne said:No big deal.King of the Jungle said:My bad.Andy Dufresne said:ur actually incorrect to Andy, Washington picks 6th and AZ picks 5th
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wadegarrett
FFA Legend™
They won't care where they are. They'll be too busy counting their millions.
I wonder if Winslow's microfracture surgery could lead to the Browns drafting CJ. He's being touted as the "Best Player Available." The Cleveland offense, as bad as it was, would look a whole lot worse with just Edwards (attitude problem/dropped passes) as the only young weapon.
Being as secretive as they have been regarding Winslow's surgery may be a strategy to increase value in the #3 pick.
Being as secretive as they have been regarding Winslow's surgery may be a strategy to increase value in the #3 pick.
Fiddles
Footballguy
until gruden starts screaming at them
Ron_Mexico
I Love Doggies
Kip Dynamite said:
Makes sense.
cstu
Footballguy
Wash did sign a lot of WR's but CJ is a potential stud and would be able to take attention off of Moss. They would have a great receiving corps with CJ and Moss starting and Randel El/Lloyd as the 3/4. That said, DL is huge need for the Skins and it would be tough for them to pass on Branch.i wouldin happiness if we traded up to 3 and get Calvin.
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