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B-Deep
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Tony Grossi @TonyGrossi 31m
"@lmclaughlin16 any chance of the #Browns trading out of 4? // 51% chance.
"@lmclaughlin16 any chance of the #Browns trading out of 4? // 51% chance.
Soulfly3
Footballguy
Faust
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2014 NFL Draft: Mike Evans in play for Browns at No. 4
By Derek Harper | The Sports Xchange/CBSSports.com
By Derek Harper | The Sports Xchange/CBSSports.com
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mr fancypants
Footballguy
Farmer making another good move in picking up 5th year option on Big Phil. He is now locked up through 2015.
http://www.ohio.com/sports/browns/browns-exercise-fifth-year-option-on-nose-tackle-phil-taylor-s-rookie-contract-1.485158
http://www.ohio.com/sports/browns/browns-exercise-fifth-year-option-on-nose-tackle-phil-taylor-s-rookie-contract-1.485158
Bracie Smathers
Footballguy
I checked into the talk of Jacksonville WR Justin Blackmon possibly not playing in 2014 since that could take WR Sammy Watkins off the board by pick #4.
So as I was kicking around Jacksonville stories trying to get a firm grip on what they might do I found the following tidbits:
First, it doesn't seem like they will go QB with the first pick but they do seem intriuged with Manziel. Oh and their GM said that if they trade-down past the 10th pick it would cost a team a 2015 1st round pick. The thought seems to be that they do like QB Johnny Manziel but not at pick #3 but if they trade-down to say Tennessee at pick #11 they 'could' take him theere and get a 2015 1st round pick.
Jacksonville's GM Dave Caldwell said two teams had already discussed trades within those parameters so if the Jags don't trade down and the guy that the two-teams who contacted him is still there then we would have that same option of trading down past the 10th pick and picking up an extra 1st round pick next year.
Good information to know what we could expect if the guy we want at #4 is gone or if we think we could slide down 6 or 7 spots and still get that guy and pick up a 2015 1st round pick. Oh and Caldwell said that the 2015 would be only part of any trade-down package so that hints their would have to include more than a 2015 1st round pick.
Here's the blurb:
http://members.jacksonville.com/opinion/blog/400642/hays-carlyon/2014-05-02/jaguars-general-manager-dave-caldwell-open-trading-or
This seems like they are dead-set on taking WR Sammy Watkins as a first option with OLB/DE Kalil Mack second. Obviously the chatter concerning suspended WR Justin Blackmon possibly not playing this year has pushed Watkins up their board and they really don't seem fixated on taking a QB high in the draft which is good news for us because if they pass and we pass and Oakland passes on a QB and only Minnesota takes a QB in the top-ten it would mean either Manziel or Bridgewater 'could' fall to the #26th pick and it doesn't seem like Jacksonville would be inclinded to try and jump ahead of us to take a sliding QB.
http://members.jacksonville.com/sports/football/jaguars/2014-05-02/story/manziel-most-ready-top-draft-qbs-says-jaguars-gm-caldwell
So as I was kicking around Jacksonville stories trying to get a firm grip on what they might do I found the following tidbits:
First, it doesn't seem like they will go QB with the first pick but they do seem intriuged with Manziel. Oh and their GM said that if they trade-down past the 10th pick it would cost a team a 2015 1st round pick. The thought seems to be that they do like QB Johnny Manziel but not at pick #3 but if they trade-down to say Tennessee at pick #11 they 'could' take him theere and get a 2015 1st round pick.
Jacksonville's GM Dave Caldwell said two teams had already discussed trades within those parameters so if the Jags don't trade down and the guy that the two-teams who contacted him is still there then we would have that same option of trading down past the 10th pick and picking up an extra 1st round pick next year.
Good information to know what we could expect if the guy we want at #4 is gone or if we think we could slide down 6 or 7 spots and still get that guy and pick up a 2015 1st round pick. Oh and Caldwell said that the 2015 would be only part of any trade-down package so that hints their would have to include more than a 2015 1st round pick.
Here's the blurb:
http://members.jacksonville.com/opinion/blog/400642/hays-carlyon/2014-05-02/jaguars-general-manager-dave-caldwell-open-trading-or
Caldwell also said he could find a QB in the second round or later and that he would not be moving-up from the second round into the twenties to get a QB. Obviously hinting about possibly moving-up to get ahead of us at pick #26 should a QB start falliing into the 20s.
This seems like they are dead-set on taking WR Sammy Watkins as a first option with OLB/DE Kalil Mack second. Obviously the chatter concerning suspended WR Justin Blackmon possibly not playing this year has pushed Watkins up their board and they really don't seem fixated on taking a QB high in the draft which is good news for us because if they pass and we pass and Oakland passes on a QB and only Minnesota takes a QB in the top-ten it would mean either Manziel or Bridgewater 'could' fall to the #26th pick and it doesn't seem like Jacksonville would be inclinded to try and jump ahead of us to take a sliding QB.
http://members.jacksonville.com/sports/football/jaguars/2014-05-02/story/manziel-most-ready-top-draft-qbs-says-jaguars-gm-caldwell
Wyld Stallyns
Footballguy
I know this is always the most exciting time of year for us Browns fans, but something just feels different this year. Can't remember the last time I was this excited for a draft.
Just feels like we're close to finally turning a corner here... and unlike years past when we'd turn a corner and smack head first into a brick wall, we might actually get this one right.
Just feels like we're close to finally turning a corner here... and unlike years past when we'd turn a corner and smack head first into a brick wall, we might actually get this one right.
B-Deep
Footballguy
peter king just mentioned that
No. 26, Cleveland. Time to get a quarterback, right? Not so fast. GM Ray Farmer has asked at least one team low in the round about trading back into the first round from Cleveland’s second-round slot. That leads me to think Cleveland wants to get ahead of Houston, another obvious quarterback hotspot, and get a passer with a third first-round pick. That leads me to …
No. 32, Seattle. Think about the advantages of picking, saying, 35th instead of 32nd if you’re the Seahawks. Every dime is going to count going forward because of pricey vets like Russell Wilson and Richard Sherman who must be re-signed. Last year, the difference between the 32nd pick (safety Matt Elam) and 35th pick (tight end Zach Ertz) was $350,000 per year. Not a huge sum, but when you add a $1.4 million total difference between 32 and 35 to the fact that the Seahawks might be able to get a low-fourth-round pick for moving down three slots—and you remember how good Seattle’s been in the later rounds of drafts—you start to think John Schneider has to be thinking about this too. That’s if Cleveland would do a deal low in round one. But it’s intriguing. All Seattle would lose is the ability to add a fifth-year option by keeping its first-round pick. I think the advantages of saving $1.4 million and adding a mid-round prospect outweigh the edge of the fifth-year option.
Village Idiot
Pokerguy
Intriguing, thanks for posting that.
Village Idiot
Pokerguy
My ideal draft ahead of the Browns goes like this.
Houston - Mack or Clowney
St. Louis - Atlanta trades up to take Mack or Clowney
Jacksonville - Manziel
As long as we don't take a QB here I'll be happy.
Houston - Mack or Clowney
St. Louis - Atlanta trades up to take Mack or Clowney
Jacksonville - Manziel
As long as we don't take a QB here I'll be happy.
Village Idiot
Pokerguy
B-Deep
Footballguy
he does not say what he thinks they'll do at 4
here are his thoughts on 1-3
No. 1, Houston. The buzz about a trade-down or Khalil Mack to Houston instead of Jadeveon Clowney won’t die. The Texans are doing a good job of sending mixed signals to the GM community, that’s for sure. Mack’s in the dark, which is to be expected. I can’t see Atlanta mortgaging the farm on any player, so if the Texans want to trade down, the return likely won’t be a ransom.
Nos. 2 and 13, St. Louis. I sense the Rams like Greg Robinson at two—over Sammy Watkins and Jake Matthews. A St. Louis contingent went to Auburn on Thursday to work out Robinson; no negatives surfaced. More mystery about 13. The Rams really like Johnny Manziel, and if he were there at 13 (which is unlikely), they would consider picking him. His workout for the Rams on Friday in Texas, with offensive coordinator Brian Schottenheimer running the show, was impressive, as was the 80-minute post-workout session in the meeting room with Schottenheimer and coach Jeff Fisher, among others. One other piece of knowledge I got confirmed Sunday: Rams GM Les Snead recently went to Texas Tech and met at length with coach Kliff Kingsbury—Manziel’s offensive coordinator and quarterbacks coach at A&M in 2012—and came away thinking Manziel could adjust to life well as an NFL passer. Does that mean the Rams will take Manziel if he’s there at 13? I am still dubious. But I can tell you the Rams like him a lot.
No. 3, Jacksonville. A peer of GM David Caldwell said Sunday he knows a big Jag priority will be to play it safe with this pick. Sammy Watkins or Jake Matthews … quite safe.
B-Deep
Footballguy
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2048330-2014-nfl-mock-draft-matt-millers-final-7-round-picks
no one is gonna like that mock
he has the browns passing on mack for manziel
no one is gonna like that mock
he has the browns passing on mack for manziel
Village Idiot
Pokerguy
The Browns have to fix the CB2 position.
They gave up far too many TD passes in the 2nd half of games.
I'm ok with Watkins, Evans, Matthews, or Robinson at 4, but they need to get a better CB2 than Skrine.
They do recognize this issue, that's why they talked to Tampa Bay about Revis.
I'm very nervous that draft day they are going to Weeden me and take a QB at 4 or 26.
If Manziel fell to 26, (which he won't), I'd be ok with taking a shot with him there.
I need to stop posting in this thread and just go get into a medically induced coma until the draft starts.
Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
Browns pick has to come down to Clowney, Mack, Watkins, or Donald - doesn't it?
I can't see taking a right tackle or QB at that spot. And I'm a Manziel fan.
I can't see taking a right tackle or QB at that spot. And I'm a Manziel fan.
Soulfly3
Footballguy
very realistic.
but I feel a trade down w Atlanta is possible.. and grabbing Evans at 6.
call it a hunch
B-Deep
Footballguy
if they think manzeil is a franchise QB they should take him
what was the last franchise qb this team had? Testeverde?
jurb26
Footballguy
Donald has no business going in the top 5. There's nothing wrong with taking a T there, even if he plays RT for a few seasons. 2 teams in the top 3 did it last year. Also, just because we don't see the QBs as worth the 4 pick it doesn't mean Clev or somebody else doesn't. They could have a much higher separation and grade on 1 of the QBs and we just don't know it. If so, you take him. Barr, Gilbert and Evans could all be in play at 4 as well IMO. Certainly ahead of Donald.
Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
Why do you say that?
Gilbert is the guy that doesn't belong in the top 5. None of the corners do.
jurb26
Footballguy
Gilbert deserves to be in the discussion and is a top 10 player. Donald doesn't. He's solid no doubt, but the hype train has gone off the tracks.
Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
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jurb26
Footballguy
I disagree. Everyone is talking about Donald. Gilbert is the guy nobody is talking about and he's one of the best prospects in this class. Athleticism and ball skills of Peterson with a bit less size. He's very underrated among the media and here but NFL teams will love him.
Soulfly3
Footballguy
hm.
I dunno, I spend a lot of time draft prepping... and I think Donald is like... tier 4 of guys being discussed... which means very rarely.
but he's going to get some press when he goes early, Im telling you.
Bracie Smathers
Footballguy
Defemse os very-scheme specific.
If a guy fits your scheme you will value him higher than someone who doesn't fit.
That is why their is some chatter of the Texans favoring Mack over Clowney.
Its because Clowney didn't test well in his drops as an outside linebacker. He's a pure 4-3 DE. He 'could' play OLB but his value as the first pick in the draft is as a pure 4-3 DE. Every team mixes and matches. No one plays vanilla-D anymore but if the majority of your Defensive snaps are in a 3-4 base then you'd want either a 3-4 OLB or DE. Just makes sense.
Arron Donald is a pure 4-3 3-tech DT.
He isn't a good fit for Pettine/O'Brien defensive base.
Clowney on the other hand would be a perfect fit as the super-sized OLB/DE joker position that Pettine had last year with Mario Williams. Never going to fall to us but.... Whew, thet'd be sweet if he did.
You guys are overlooking the obvious option.
Trade-down.
I think we stick at #4 and take either Mack or Watkins but trade-down would come next IMHO.
Gilbert is NOT a value at #4.
If a guy fits your scheme you will value him higher than someone who doesn't fit.
That is why their is some chatter of the Texans favoring Mack over Clowney.
Its because Clowney didn't test well in his drops as an outside linebacker. He's a pure 4-3 DE. He 'could' play OLB but his value as the first pick in the draft is as a pure 4-3 DE. Every team mixes and matches. No one plays vanilla-D anymore but if the majority of your Defensive snaps are in a 3-4 base then you'd want either a 3-4 OLB or DE. Just makes sense.
Arron Donald is a pure 4-3 3-tech DT.
He isn't a good fit for Pettine/O'Brien defensive base.
Clowney on the other hand would be a perfect fit as the super-sized OLB/DE joker position that Pettine had last year with Mario Williams. Never going to fall to us but.... Whew, thet'd be sweet if he did.
You guys are overlooking the obvious option.
Trade-down.
I think we stick at #4 and take either Mack or Watkins but trade-down would come next IMHO.
Gilbert is NOT a value at #4.
Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
RBM
Footballguy
Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
Understandable. But John Randle does seem like a decent comparison. Same height.RBM said:
Geno Atkins is 6'1" too.
jurb26
Footballguy
I was going to being this up as well. Donald to Clev is a horrible scheme fit. Donald is actually a horrible scheme fit for most teams as he's pretty one dimensional as a 4-3 3 tech guy. There is no use for him what so ever in Clev and he's not near a top 5 player. Trading down would be a nice option and I think Clev could have serius leverage with that as many seem to see the draft as having 4 elite talents. I'm of the opinion there are 3, but all it takes is a team willing.Bracie Smathers said:
Gilbert isn't value at 4, no. He's a far better option than Donald though. Gilbert is around 9 overall for me. Donald is around 17.
jurb26
Footballguy
Not sure Randle helps things here. He was undrafted because his size was such a concern.Atkins was a 4th round selection as well.
Sure they both turned into great NFL players but they both also feel in the draft because of size concerns.
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Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
Soulfly3
Footballguy
My final 2 predictions for Cleveland:
1) Watkins at #4
2) Small trade down and taking Mike Evans
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This is how Im rolling into the draft.
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Ill also be very happy if Mack goes in the top 3, as Im in the small minority of folk who rate Barr higher.
1) Watkins at #4
2) Small trade down and taking Mike Evans
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This is how Im rolling into the draft.
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Ill also be very happy if Mack goes in the top 3, as Im in the small minority of folk who rate Barr higher.
jurb26
Footballguy
Rumors of Clev trying to add a 3rd 1st. Personally I don't think they are going to be able to land the QB they want that late in the 1st.
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap2000000346571/article/will-cleveland-browns-trade-for-third-firstround-pick
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap2000000346571/article/will-cleveland-browns-trade-for-third-firstround-pick
jurb26
Footballguy
I'm not sure trading down will net you Evans. Oak, TB and Buf could all have him high on their boards.
Soulfly3
Footballguy
Soulfly3
Footballguy
"with the no4 pick in the 2014 NFL draft, the Cleveland Browns select, Sammy Watkins, WR, Clemson."
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Bracie Smathers
Footballguy
Quick rumor that popped-up and then quicky was quashed, lol.
Armando Salguero@ArmandoSalguero · 2h
Cleveland Browns are emerging as a strong possible trade down partner for Dolphins and other teams drafting in 18-22 range of 1st rd
Armando Salguero@ArmandoSalguero · 2h
Folks, a Dolphins trade down, back is not them going from No. 19 to No. 4.Not happening. It is trading in other direction. Back. Down.
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Armando Salguero@ArmandoSalguero · 2h
Cleveland Browns are emerging as a strong possible trade down partner for Dolphins and other teams drafting in 18-22 range of 1st rd
Armando Salguero@ArmandoSalguero · 2h
Folks, a Dolphins trade down, back is not them going from No. 19 to No. 4.Not happening. It is trading in other direction. Back. Down.
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MAC_32
Footballguy
I've noticed the rumors the day before and day of have been more legitimate the couple of years. Some are being leaked to try to catch another team panicking, but not everything. I'll start paying more attention come Wednesday.
Raiderfan32904
Footballguy
Interesting. Some earlier talk leading to this tweet suggests the Rams might take Manziel at 2, but in the more logical scenario where the Rams take the tackle Robinson, Cleveland takes Manziel at 4.
B-Deep
Footballguy
Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
You mean the two time ex-General Manager Charlie Casserly?
The guy that took Shuler at #3 and Carr at #1?
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jurb26
Footballguy
He said Shuler was a mistake. A time where he learned not to overdraft a player because of position, ie QB. He admitted it was a reach. That is basically what he's saying about Manziel.
