EasyMorningRebel
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No way Ohio State does the right thing. No way.Road Dogg said:
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wadegarrett
FFA Legend™
What's "the right thing" to do?
EasyMorningRebel
Footballguy
Ummm...sit the kids who broke the rules.
Das Boot
Footballguy
100% agreed, and for the entire game - do the right thing for a change, instead of whatever makes the most money.Or is integrity just a convenient advertising slogan for the Ohio State and the NCAA.
Unfortunately, local word is they definitely won't sit the entire game, if they even sit at all.
wadegarrett
FFA Legend™
Instead of the 5 game suspension next season?Ummm...sit the kids who broke the rules.
I love the OSU hate. 
Name me a school that would bench their starters in this situation. If you name one, you don't follow college football very well.
For the record, I am in full support of Tressel benching these bums for the entire game. The rules suck, but they are rules. Is it that hard to follow them??
Name me a school that would bench their starters in this situation. If you name one, you don't follow college football very well.
For the record, I am in full support of Tressel benching these bums for the entire game. The rules suck, but they are rules. Is it that hard to follow them??
yellowdog
Footballguy
Most tOSU fans will tell you Tressel and tOSU do not operate like the other schools. It's time to put up or shut up. Sit them for the Sugar Bowl, and I will gain a little respect for Tressel. I doubt it's going to happen.I love the OSU hate.
The Commish
Footballguy
I think most people in here are mocking the NCAA for how bogus an institution it really is. Not OSU specifically. You have to admit, the ruling is a joke. The other part is that we hear all the time about how Tressell is "different" than other coaches and is an integrity first kind of person. This is an opportunity to show that. A personally don't expect it, but we'll see.I love the OSU hate.
Road Dogg
Footballguy
Yeah, I hate the buckeyes. Hate the living hell out of them. But I don't expect them to sit these guys, that would be ridiculous. No way am I gonna bash them for that.
Play your cheaters, you made the deal with the NCAA to save the bowl game, don't give that up now.
(ok, so i will bash them a little, but no one would sit these guys)
Play your cheaters, you made the deal with the NCAA to save the bowl game, don't give that up now.
(ok, so i will bash them a little, but no one would sit these guys)
Orange Crush
Footballguy
UNC
EasyMorningRebel
Footballguy
No, I'd sit them for the bowl game and a few games next year.Instead of the 5 game suspension next season?Ummm...sit the kids who broke the rules.
Absolutely. The ruling is an absolute joke.I think most people in here are mocking the NCAA for how bogus an institution it really is. Not OSU specifically. You have to admit, the ruling is a joke. The other part is that we hear all the time about how Tressell is "different" than other coaches and is an integrity first kind of person. This is an opportunity to show that. A personally don't expect it, but we'll see.I love the OSU hate.Name me a school that would bench their starters in this situation. If you name one, you don't follow college football very well.For the record, I am in full support of Tressel benching these bums for the entire game. The rules suck, but they are rules. Is it that hard to follow them??
Das Boot
Footballguy
I'm glad to see Tressel getting tough with these kids and coming up with an ironclad plan to make sure they serve their suspensions and don't skip out to the pro draft.
NEW ORLEANS (AP)—Ohio State players facing five-game suspensions next season would not have traveled with the team to the Sugar Bowl if they had not pledged to return in 2011, head coach Jim Tressel said on Thursday.
Tressel said he wanted to make sure that the players wouldn’t “skirt the consequences” by playing in the Sugar Bowl, then declaring for the NFL draft and avoiding any punishment.
“We told them they would have to make the decision on the NFL prior to leaving for the bowl game,” Tressel said at his first Sugar Bowl news conference. “It wouldn’t be fair to not face the consequences down the road.”
NEW ORLEANS (AP)—Ohio State players facing five-game suspensions next season would not have traveled with the team to the Sugar Bowl if they had not pledged to return in 2011, head coach Jim Tressel said on Thursday.
Tressel said he wanted to make sure that the players wouldn’t “skirt the consequences” by playing in the Sugar Bowl, then declaring for the NFL draft and avoiding any punishment.
“We told them they would have to make the decision on the NFL prior to leaving for the bowl game,” Tressel said at his first Sugar Bowl news conference. “It wouldn’t be fair to not face the consequences down the road.”
The Commish
Footballguy
Was the NFL really a choice for any of them though? Posey in the 3-4 round maybe?
Das Boot
Footballguy
Not particularly high for any of them I don't think. Pryor and Posey both on potential, and not at QB for Pryor obviously.
Das Boot
Footballguy
It will depend on what the NCAA whispers to Ohio State that they are going to reduce the suspension by, but I would not be surprised in the least to see Pryor do this.
The Commish
Footballguy
Agreed....though, I am not sure how he can force them to stay either. So they tell him they'll be back next year, play the bowl game then take off. Sweater Vest can't make them stay. On the surface, I get the gesture, but if you look at it, it's really nothing of actual substance.
oneohh
Footballguy
Why?
I thought I explained this pretty well in the post.
SofaKings
Footballguy
"pledged" that is one of the funniest things to ever come out of Columbus. Oooohhh he sure did get tough with them!
whoknew
Footballguy
This is a good article:
Pryor’s acts expose charade of college athletics
By Dan Wetzel, Yahoo! Sports
Jan 3, 4:23 pm EST
Terrelle “The Truth” Pryor is my favorite college football player and it isn’t just the way the Ohio State quarterback can shred defenses.
Pryor is a godsend to anyone who believes the business of college athletics is little more than a smoke-and-mirror show of situational ethics, selective enforcement and tightly controlled public relations designed to dodge taxes and make millionaires out of administrators.
Perhaps no player has ever exposed the system and its handlers more clearly than Pryor leading into Tuesday’s Sugar Bowl against Arkansas. He may not have consciously planned to do what he’s doing – although I suspect he has a clue – but he’s become a WikiLeaks in shoulder pads; a “30 For 30” special in real time.
When he isn’t violating some NCAA rule, he’s shining a light on the absurdity of how the sport’s power players managed to rewrite said rule so its cash flow could continue unabated. Each Pryor quote seems to prompt the system to respond in some bumbling, embarrassing way that only makes things worse.
Consider The Truth’s last two weeks and the suits constant scramble to clean everything up.
On Dec. 22, Fox 28 in Columbus reported Ohio State was dealing with a compliance issue involving a number of players receiving tattoos from an area parlor in exchange for signed memorabilia.
The move sent Buckeye Nation into a panic as rumors swirled of potential mass suspensions for the bowl game.
Pryor took to his Twitter account and boldly declared: “I paid for my tattoos,” a seemingly innocent man putting speculation to rest. OK, everything was cool.
At least until the next day when Pryor and four teammates would be suspended for the first five games of the 2011 season for selling gifts and memorabilia. In Pryor’s case, he netted $1,250 for dealing his 2008 Big Ten ring, his 2009 Fiesta Bowl sportsmanship award and his 2008 Gold Pants.
So that might be where he got the money for the tattoos. The tweet was deleted, naturally.
We’ll use this moment to remind readers of our longstanding opinion that most of these rules are ridiculous and players such as Pryor, who earn millions for their schools, deserve a better compensation model than just tuition, room and board. This isn’t an argument justifying the NCAA. If it’s going to have rules, though, shouldn’t it enforce them? And, yes, Ohio State’s creative defense would be employed by nearly every other school.
The initial reaction was that a five-game suspension for selling trinkets seemed rather harsh. Sports Illustrated’s Andy Staples noted the irony of selling a “sportsmanship” award from the Fiesta Bowl, which is currently facing a grand jury probe for violating federal and state campaign finance laws.
The strange part, though, was that Pryor and the others would remain eligible for the Sugar Bowl, effectively pushing their suspensions back. That allowed most of them the choice of avoiding any penalty by simply turning pro.
Ohio State and the NCAA cited an obscure rules interpretation that claimed a suspension could be postponed to preserve a “unique opportunity.” They then decided a bowl game was such an opportunity. Ohio State further claimed Pryor and the others hadn’t been properly educated on the rules, an excuse that caused laughter across college athletics.
After all, we’ve seen entire NCAA basketball tournaments stripped from the record books for such acts. And what about the “unique opportunity” two seasons of Southern California players can’t have because Reggie Bush once took money from agents? Or as Rich Brooks, who spent 25 years as a head coach before retiring from Kentucky last year, tweeted: “You are kidding that players at Ohio State did not know it was illegal to sell their rings and awards!! Can play in bowl game?? Crazy!!”
And while a bumbling compliance staff is always an easy scapegoat, the Ohio State student newspaper, The Lantern, quoted former Buckeye Thaddeus Gibson (2007-09), who claimed players were repeatedly told not to sell items.
“Oh yeah, they [OSU athletic director Gene Smith and the coaches] talked about it a lot,” Gibson told the paper.
Oops.
AD Smith promptly declared that the issue with memorabilia sales and free tattoos was “isolated.” That led to former Buckeye Antonio Pittman to tweet to the contrary: “cats been getting hookups on tatts since back in 01.”
Then SportsByBrooks.com reported the tattoo parlor’s owner had pictures of all sorts of Ohio State player memorabilia, including some from Pryor, on his Facebook page. The website also reported Gibson, among nine Buckeyes, got tattoos to the same tattoo parlor.
Every OSU fan message board became filled with tales of signed stuff hanging on the walls of area restaurants, bars and car dealerships.
Conspiracy theories on why the players were eligible for the Sugar Bowl emerged immediately. They ranged from the Big Ten fearing another possible ugly loss to the SEC to the need for the Sugar Bowl to produce a reasonable television rating in the face of sagging numbers for bowls overall. Plus Big Ten commissioner Jim Delany and OSU president E. Gordon Gee are the chief defenders of the BCS.
Then there’s the general cronyism that exists between bowl games and the college administrators who keep them financially alive. On Dec. 30, PlayoffPAC revealed that the Orange Bowl provided a free, five-day Caribbean cruise in 2010 to 40 athletic directors, conference officials and their wives, in violation, the group alleges, of IRS rules.
On Dec, 29, the NCAA responded to the backlash by issuing a rare statement declaring: “the notion that the NCAA is selective with its eligibility decisions and rules enforcement is another myth with no basis in fact … Money is not a motivator or factor.”
Within hours Sugar Bowl CEO Paul Hoolahan had blown that out of the water when he confirmed everyone’s suspicions and said that not only did he lobby hard for Pryor and the others to get a reprieve but also that the powers that be listened to him.
“I made the point that anything that could be done to preserve the integrity of this year’s game, we would greatly appreciate it,” Hoolahan told the Columbus Dispatch. “That appeal did not fall on deaf ears.”
Oops.
Hoolahan went on to deem Ohio State fan concerns about their school putting the integrity of a bowl game in front of the integrity of Woody Hayes’ program as “Midwestern values.”
By this point, the usual rally around the player and/or program had fallen apart. While some Buckeye fans still defended Pryor and Ohio State, there was a huge negative backlash on message boards, talk radio shows and in letters to the state newspapers. Not even fans were buying the circular excuses.
Then Pryor showed up at the Sugar Bowl and proceeded to cast doubt on the promise supposedly made by the suspended players that they’d return for next season (a supposed condition on their bowl eligibility). Later he appeared to hack at Ohio State’s claim the players didn’t know the rules in the first place.
“I already knew what I shouldn’t have done back two years ago,” he said.
He even responded to criticism by former Buckeye quarterback and current ESPN analyst Kirk Herbstreit by mocking, “Has he beat Michigan?” (OSU went 0-4-1 against UM during Herbstreit’s career). The positive for enraged Buckeye fans: Pryor may sell the gold pants given to him for beating Michigan, but he obviously does consider it a measuring stick.
Just as things were quieting down, the Dispatch reported on Jan. 2 that Pryor had been pulled over by police three times in the last three years driving “loaner” cars from a local used car dealer, Auto Direct. Pryor told the paper he only borrowed the cars when his own car (currently a Dodge Charger) was in the shop with repairs.
Ohio State said it was aware of two of the incidents and would look into the third. If we’re led to believe the borrowing of cars were again isolated incidents, then Pryor has some bad luck with local cops. He seemingly gets pulled over every time he receives a nice loaner. Either that or he drives them all the time, of course.
The car dealer did tell the newspaper that he also allowed Pryor, in 2008, to drive a Dodge SUV back to Pryor’s home in Pennsylvania. “I wanted advice from some of my family and friends I trusted to see if it would be a good vehicle for me to maybe buy,” Pryor said.
Unsupervised, out-of-state test drivers of used cars are common practice, correct?
Oops.
Pryor didn’t buy the car, of course. Ohio State, quite naturally, declared everything on the up and up. How? Well, they just did. This wasn’t a violation of NCAA rules.
It is apparently just a coincidence that the dealership, according to the Dispatch, has more than two dozen autographed Buckeye jerseys on display, including ones from Pryor and a couple of the other “suspended” players. Or that there are player autographs all over the walls of the showroom.
It’s also just a coincidence that the used car loaner system Pryor enjoyed is eerily similar to the one former Buckeye Maurice Clarett detailed to ESPN the Magazine back in 2004. “When you’re hot in Columbus, you just go,” Clarett told the Magazine. “Somebody’s going to recognize your face. You say, ‘I need to use a car.’ ‘OK, here you go.’”
Yep, here you go.
While Pryor has received most of the criticism, you can only blame him so much for either breaking or putting himself in danger of breaking NCAA rules that the very administrators he earns huge salaries appear to care little about. A rule is only as strong as the consequences and from his school, to his conference, to his bowl game, to the NCAA itself, there’s no lack of positioning to avoid real penalties.
If the adults don’t take the rules seriously, why should the players?
At this point, Pryor is set to play Tuesday but miss nearly half of next season. (Ohio State is appealing, of course). Meanwhile the entire absurdity of his situation churns on. The school wants its star player on the field. The bowl wants its money. ESPN wants its TV rating. The league wants a victory over the SEC.
Perhaps only Gordon Gee, Jim Delany a few assorted BCS reps believe Terrelle Pryor is an actual eligible student-athlete at this point. At least if you applied the NCAA rules as they previously had been enforced for decades.
Everyone else is expected to play pretend, ignore the man behind the curtain and eagerly await the next chapter of the Terrelle “The Truth” Pryor Show. First he gets to run and throw, then, hopefully, he gets to keep talking.
We’ll gladly loan him our car all next season if he’ll stick around and continue exposing this charade. Let the unwitting whistle-blower play on and on and on.
Pryor’s acts expose charade of college athletics
By Dan Wetzel, Yahoo! Sports
Jan 3, 4:23 pm EST
Terrelle “The Truth” Pryor is my favorite college football player and it isn’t just the way the Ohio State quarterback can shred defenses.
Pryor is a godsend to anyone who believes the business of college athletics is little more than a smoke-and-mirror show of situational ethics, selective enforcement and tightly controlled public relations designed to dodge taxes and make millionaires out of administrators.
Perhaps no player has ever exposed the system and its handlers more clearly than Pryor leading into Tuesday’s Sugar Bowl against Arkansas. He may not have consciously planned to do what he’s doing – although I suspect he has a clue – but he’s become a WikiLeaks in shoulder pads; a “30 For 30” special in real time.
When he isn’t violating some NCAA rule, he’s shining a light on the absurdity of how the sport’s power players managed to rewrite said rule so its cash flow could continue unabated. Each Pryor quote seems to prompt the system to respond in some bumbling, embarrassing way that only makes things worse.
Consider The Truth’s last two weeks and the suits constant scramble to clean everything up.
On Dec. 22, Fox 28 in Columbus reported Ohio State was dealing with a compliance issue involving a number of players receiving tattoos from an area parlor in exchange for signed memorabilia.
The move sent Buckeye Nation into a panic as rumors swirled of potential mass suspensions for the bowl game.
Pryor took to his Twitter account and boldly declared: “I paid for my tattoos,” a seemingly innocent man putting speculation to rest. OK, everything was cool.
At least until the next day when Pryor and four teammates would be suspended for the first five games of the 2011 season for selling gifts and memorabilia. In Pryor’s case, he netted $1,250 for dealing his 2008 Big Ten ring, his 2009 Fiesta Bowl sportsmanship award and his 2008 Gold Pants.
So that might be where he got the money for the tattoos. The tweet was deleted, naturally.
We’ll use this moment to remind readers of our longstanding opinion that most of these rules are ridiculous and players such as Pryor, who earn millions for their schools, deserve a better compensation model than just tuition, room and board. This isn’t an argument justifying the NCAA. If it’s going to have rules, though, shouldn’t it enforce them? And, yes, Ohio State’s creative defense would be employed by nearly every other school.
The initial reaction was that a five-game suspension for selling trinkets seemed rather harsh. Sports Illustrated’s Andy Staples noted the irony of selling a “sportsmanship” award from the Fiesta Bowl, which is currently facing a grand jury probe for violating federal and state campaign finance laws.
The strange part, though, was that Pryor and the others would remain eligible for the Sugar Bowl, effectively pushing their suspensions back. That allowed most of them the choice of avoiding any penalty by simply turning pro.
Ohio State and the NCAA cited an obscure rules interpretation that claimed a suspension could be postponed to preserve a “unique opportunity.” They then decided a bowl game was such an opportunity. Ohio State further claimed Pryor and the others hadn’t been properly educated on the rules, an excuse that caused laughter across college athletics.
After all, we’ve seen entire NCAA basketball tournaments stripped from the record books for such acts. And what about the “unique opportunity” two seasons of Southern California players can’t have because Reggie Bush once took money from agents? Or as Rich Brooks, who spent 25 years as a head coach before retiring from Kentucky last year, tweeted: “You are kidding that players at Ohio State did not know it was illegal to sell their rings and awards!! Can play in bowl game?? Crazy!!”
And while a bumbling compliance staff is always an easy scapegoat, the Ohio State student newspaper, The Lantern, quoted former Buckeye Thaddeus Gibson (2007-09), who claimed players were repeatedly told not to sell items.
“Oh yeah, they [OSU athletic director Gene Smith and the coaches] talked about it a lot,” Gibson told the paper.
Oops.
AD Smith promptly declared that the issue with memorabilia sales and free tattoos was “isolated.” That led to former Buckeye Antonio Pittman to tweet to the contrary: “cats been getting hookups on tatts since back in 01.”
Then SportsByBrooks.com reported the tattoo parlor’s owner had pictures of all sorts of Ohio State player memorabilia, including some from Pryor, on his Facebook page. The website also reported Gibson, among nine Buckeyes, got tattoos to the same tattoo parlor.
Every OSU fan message board became filled with tales of signed stuff hanging on the walls of area restaurants, bars and car dealerships.
Conspiracy theories on why the players were eligible for the Sugar Bowl emerged immediately. They ranged from the Big Ten fearing another possible ugly loss to the SEC to the need for the Sugar Bowl to produce a reasonable television rating in the face of sagging numbers for bowls overall. Plus Big Ten commissioner Jim Delany and OSU president E. Gordon Gee are the chief defenders of the BCS.
Then there’s the general cronyism that exists between bowl games and the college administrators who keep them financially alive. On Dec. 30, PlayoffPAC revealed that the Orange Bowl provided a free, five-day Caribbean cruise in 2010 to 40 athletic directors, conference officials and their wives, in violation, the group alleges, of IRS rules.
On Dec, 29, the NCAA responded to the backlash by issuing a rare statement declaring: “the notion that the NCAA is selective with its eligibility decisions and rules enforcement is another myth with no basis in fact … Money is not a motivator or factor.”
Within hours Sugar Bowl CEO Paul Hoolahan had blown that out of the water when he confirmed everyone’s suspicions and said that not only did he lobby hard for Pryor and the others to get a reprieve but also that the powers that be listened to him.
“I made the point that anything that could be done to preserve the integrity of this year’s game, we would greatly appreciate it,” Hoolahan told the Columbus Dispatch. “That appeal did not fall on deaf ears.”
Oops.
Hoolahan went on to deem Ohio State fan concerns about their school putting the integrity of a bowl game in front of the integrity of Woody Hayes’ program as “Midwestern values.”
By this point, the usual rally around the player and/or program had fallen apart. While some Buckeye fans still defended Pryor and Ohio State, there was a huge negative backlash on message boards, talk radio shows and in letters to the state newspapers. Not even fans were buying the circular excuses.
Then Pryor showed up at the Sugar Bowl and proceeded to cast doubt on the promise supposedly made by the suspended players that they’d return for next season (a supposed condition on their bowl eligibility). Later he appeared to hack at Ohio State’s claim the players didn’t know the rules in the first place.
“I already knew what I shouldn’t have done back two years ago,” he said.
He even responded to criticism by former Buckeye quarterback and current ESPN analyst Kirk Herbstreit by mocking, “Has he beat Michigan?” (OSU went 0-4-1 against UM during Herbstreit’s career). The positive for enraged Buckeye fans: Pryor may sell the gold pants given to him for beating Michigan, but he obviously does consider it a measuring stick.
Just as things were quieting down, the Dispatch reported on Jan. 2 that Pryor had been pulled over by police three times in the last three years driving “loaner” cars from a local used car dealer, Auto Direct. Pryor told the paper he only borrowed the cars when his own car (currently a Dodge Charger) was in the shop with repairs.
Ohio State said it was aware of two of the incidents and would look into the third. If we’re led to believe the borrowing of cars were again isolated incidents, then Pryor has some bad luck with local cops. He seemingly gets pulled over every time he receives a nice loaner. Either that or he drives them all the time, of course.
The car dealer did tell the newspaper that he also allowed Pryor, in 2008, to drive a Dodge SUV back to Pryor’s home in Pennsylvania. “I wanted advice from some of my family and friends I trusted to see if it would be a good vehicle for me to maybe buy,” Pryor said.
Unsupervised, out-of-state test drivers of used cars are common practice, correct?
Oops.
Pryor didn’t buy the car, of course. Ohio State, quite naturally, declared everything on the up and up. How? Well, they just did. This wasn’t a violation of NCAA rules.
It is apparently just a coincidence that the dealership, according to the Dispatch, has more than two dozen autographed Buckeye jerseys on display, including ones from Pryor and a couple of the other “suspended” players. Or that there are player autographs all over the walls of the showroom.
It’s also just a coincidence that the used car loaner system Pryor enjoyed is eerily similar to the one former Buckeye Maurice Clarett detailed to ESPN the Magazine back in 2004. “When you’re hot in Columbus, you just go,” Clarett told the Magazine. “Somebody’s going to recognize your face. You say, ‘I need to use a car.’ ‘OK, here you go.’”
Yep, here you go.
While Pryor has received most of the criticism, you can only blame him so much for either breaking or putting himself in danger of breaking NCAA rules that the very administrators he earns huge salaries appear to care little about. A rule is only as strong as the consequences and from his school, to his conference, to his bowl game, to the NCAA itself, there’s no lack of positioning to avoid real penalties.
If the adults don’t take the rules seriously, why should the players?
At this point, Pryor is set to play Tuesday but miss nearly half of next season. (Ohio State is appealing, of course). Meanwhile the entire absurdity of his situation churns on. The school wants its star player on the field. The bowl wants its money. ESPN wants its TV rating. The league wants a victory over the SEC.
Perhaps only Gordon Gee, Jim Delany a few assorted BCS reps believe Terrelle Pryor is an actual eligible student-athlete at this point. At least if you applied the NCAA rules as they previously had been enforced for decades.
Everyone else is expected to play pretend, ignore the man behind the curtain and eagerly await the next chapter of the Terrelle “The Truth” Pryor Show. First he gets to run and throw, then, hopefully, he gets to keep talking.
We’ll gladly loan him our car all next season if he’ll stick around and continue exposing this charade. Let the unwitting whistle-blower play on and on and on.
BroncoFreak_2K3
sucker for Orange
really not that surprising that t tOSU is in the middle of this.
Don Quixote
Footballguy
Add on another game? Maybe OSU is that bad at teaching players the rules.
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Orange Crush
Footballguy
If they are then the NCAA should threaten sanctions against every single OSU sports program until the administrative staff is completely replaced.
GroveDiesel
Footballguy
How is that a violation? Did he receive any compensation?
The Commish
Footballguy
Best I can tell....
This is a "I heard from a guy who knows a guy who knows some dude, who knows a guy" type of thing.
This is a "I heard from a guy who knows a guy who knows some dude, who knows a guy" type of thing.
Apu
Footballguy
Actually, reporters at Yahoo heard from one guy, who currently remains annonymous. And Yahoo did their due diligence before reporting the story.But we all know how this will end.
[insert school here] gets [insert slap on the wrist penalty here]
BigJohn
Footballguy
What exactly did they do? They reported every fact that was already known, but added in this anonymous source who says Tressell had prior knowledge. It's a pretty big accusation, and I would assume that something like this would only be reported if there was a tangible way to prove it. However, they make no mention of anything solid and are basing all of this on one dude telling them what he supposedly did.
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Hunterbeer
Footballguy
If he knew and did not immediately report it to tOSU officials, it is a big deal. Heck, his contract says he could be fired for that. It wont happen as we have seen tOSU just pays lip service to being above normal schools with their integrity, but the contract does say it could.
BigJohn
Footballguy
Absolutely right. If it is true, it's a huge deal. The fact that it could cost him his job shows how important integrity is to the university.P.S. - it still pisses me off that this is all about something they did that was perfectly legal and gave them absolutely no on-field advantage, whatsoever.
GroveDiesel
Footballguy
Let's make sure that we're actually being accurate here. It's not some anonymous dude telling Yahoo that he told Tressel. It's some anonymous dude telling Yahoo that some OTHER dude told him that he told Tressel. That's what, fourth hand?There's only 3 possibilities that I can see here:
1). Yahoo's anonymous source has serious connections to OSU football and is highly credible
2). Yahoo has other information that they're holding back still
3). Yahoo jumped the gun and turned one person's
accusation into fact without any other proof
If it's 1 I'd like to know who the source is to determine the credibility and find out why the person won't put their name to the accusation.
If it's 2, then that's probably the most scary of all for Ohio State and the most likely to lead to serious consequences.
It's also pretty lame of Yahoo not to come out with it from the beginning. Would seem more like they were trying to entrap OSU.
If it's 3, Yahoo has some serious credibility issues and are going to take a lot of heat. They have a pretty good record on this stuff at this point and it would be the undoing of a lot of previous credibility they built up as well as the tarnishing of Charles Robinson's career IMO.
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wadegarrett
FFA Legend™
BigJohn
Footballguy
Yep.
Road Dogg
Footballguy
We'll seeI don;t care if they have him holding the memorabilia and shaking hands with the recipient while holding a paper dated May 1, they are not going to fire him
as several places have pointed out, he has not been a model of compliance ever, they simply don't care if he wins enough
Don Quixote
Footballguy
This will be an interesting press conference.
From @elevenwarriors: "We're hearing Tressel will admit wrongdoing tonight, sanctions and suspension possible."
From @elevenwarriors: "We're hearing Tressel will admit wrongdoing tonight, sanctions and suspension possible."
Road Dogg
Footballguy
no wayif he knew they'll fire himintegrity!!!!!
Apu
Footballguy
Best to jump on the grenade now. God forbid the real story about the car dealerships gets out. He only got probation at Youngstown, and lucked out how many times at OSU thus far (Clarett, Smith, Pryor, etc, etc)?
BroncoFreak_2K3
sucker for Orange
absolutely
BigJohn
Footballguy
The Commish
Footballguy
I have paid virtually no attention to the actual transgressions, but why suspend them 5 games if it was all legit? Not debating the on-field part...'BigJohn said:
Don Quixote
Footballguy
Sorry, just caught your reply now. A few of the college FB reporters that I follow on Twitter mentioned that it's a violation to promote/advertise a business, whether or not compensated. Pryor deleted the tweet, so I'm guessing he got that message.
BigJohn
Footballguy
Legal in a real-world situation. Illegal only by NCAA rules. They traded memorabilia( that belonged to them) for discounted tatoos.
This was a doing by both Tressel and the AD.
Imagine if they reported this news in April - May time frame to the NCAA.
NCAA suspends Pryor and others for the first 5 or 6 games of the season; they can get beat a few times and not get a high profile Bowl Bid.
They played out the string got there bowl game then in December they reported and penalties were handed out. Players also had the opportunity to go pro and not serve the penalties.
tOSU did what any other school would do in the same situation.
Imagine if they reported this news in April - May time frame to the NCAA.
NCAA suspends Pryor and others for the first 5 or 6 games of the season; they can get beat a few times and not get a high profile Bowl Bid.
They played out the string got there bowl game then in December they reported and penalties were handed out. Players also had the opportunity to go pro and not serve the penalties.
tOSU did what any other school would do in the same situation.
BroncoFreak_2K3
sucker for Orange
just saw this tweet:
wadegarrett
FFA Legend™
BroncoFreak_2K3
sucker for Orange
tOSU Football Coaching Staff page blank:
http://www.ohiostatebuckeyes.com/SportSelect.dbml?DB_OEM_ID=17300&SPID=10408&SPSID=87747
http://www.ohiostatebuckeyes.com/SportSelect.dbml?DB_OEM_ID=17300&SPID=10408&SPSID=87747
Apu
Footballguy
Tonight's presser will be nothing more then Tressel, Smith and Gee denying any wrong doing and saying they reported this when they first heard about it in December.I believe Gee said as much today:
"We have reported a violation, a perceived violation, that we were having discussions with them (the NCAA) about the best way to handle it," Gee told The Associated Press while at the statehouse for the governor's State of the State speech. "We reported that immediately when we found it."
They'll wrap this into the ongoing investigation and in a few months it will magically go away.
GroveDiesel
Footballguy
If Tressel admits wrongdoing, he should be fired immediately and OSU should accept whatever punishment they receive without a peep.
