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Colin Kaepernick is Overrated in FF (2 Viewers)

How many recent Super Bowl winning quarterbacks have visible tats all over them? How about ever?

 
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Sabertooth said:
How many recent Super Bowl winning quarterbacks have visible tats all over them? How about ever?
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Well now you're just clearly fishing :lol:

I'll take one quick nibble and then swin away....Kaepernick came within one play (where many people thought a flag for pass intereference was in order - for the record I'm not one of them) from winning the Super Bowl - with visible tats all over him. Imagine that?

At one point people thought a QB with dark skin could never win a Super Bowl. Times change. My guess is that we'll see it (QB with tats winning) eventually.

We've recently seen many players in the NBA win championships covered in tats (even the best player on the team) - less than five years ago, outside of Rodman, we could have said no player covered in tats will ever win an NBA championship.

 
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cstu said:
I'm much more concerned that he lost the receiver he locked onto last year than I am about him buying into being a celebrity.
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this is obviously another concern. Not to mention Gore getting older
 
cstu said:
I'm much more concerned that he lost the receiver he locked onto last year than I am about him buying into being a celebrity.
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Finally, a voice of reason in this thread. Of course, he's only started 8 or 9 games in his pro career, so it isn't terribly shocking that he still has room for improvement.

 
Alex P Keaton said:
cstu said:
I'm much more concerned that he lost the receiver he locked onto last year than I am about him buying into being a celebrity.
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Finally, a voice of reason in this thread. Of course, he's only started 8 or 9 games in his pro career, so it isn't terribly shocking that he still has room for improvement.
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agreed. I think the sky is the limit for him.
 
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Has this been mentioned ?

Any chance he's the next Vince young who tore up the league for 8 games and then completely fell apart the next year? Didnt the league figure out that he couldn't beat a zone defense b/c the DBs never turned their backs on him giving him no escape lanes?

 
Steed said:
Has this been mentioned ?

Any chance he's the next Vince young who tore up the league for 8 games and then completely fell apart the next year? Didnt the league figure out that he couldn't beat a zone defense b/c the DBs never turned their backs on him giving him no escape lanes?
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could happen. Cecil mentioned that a lot of his plays were one read and then run.
 
Steed said:
Has this been mentioned ?

Any chance he's the next Vince young who tore up the league for 8 games and then completely fell apart the next year? Didnt the league figure out that he couldn't beat a zone defense b/c the DBs never turned their backs on him giving him no escape lanes?
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His profile is a lot different than Vince Young's. Kaepernick has had to work his butt off to get where he is. Instead of being handed the QB job at a football factory, he had to take his only scholarship offer to a minor school to get a chance to play. Young's downfall came because of work ethic and attitude, and Kaepernick doesn't have issues in those areas (quite the opposite).

 
Steed said:
Has this been mentioned ?

Any chance he's the next Vince young who tore up the league for 8 games and then completely fell apart the next year? Didnt the league figure out that he couldn't beat a zone defense b/c the DBs never turned their backs on him giving him no escape lanes?
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I think people have forgotten how terrible a passer VY was. As much as I have concerns about Kaep's ability to progress through his reads he is far, far better than Young.

 
I think he is underrated.

Glad I have him in a league where running QBs are super important.

Glad to read the downside case here though.

 
Most important stat of all time.. jersey sales.. Kap just passed RGIII in jersey sales.. that is worth 3 points per week in FF.. check yo rules.. its in there...

Based on his sample size, less than 10 games as a starter, he is being drafted way to high in RD leagues but if I had him in a dynasty it would be tough to deal him.. He has a nice touch on throws and can sling it on others.. runs for yardage and gets out of bounds.. seems to be an inteligent qb with a lot of upside... all the tat talk is out of season boredom.. they dont influence him on a third and 13 throw.. or decision to tuck and run when faced with pressure..

 
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Excerpt from Peter King's MMQB today:

2. I think it’s foreign to most of us that a player can significantly improve his speed, but Colin Kaepernick thinks he’s done just that this offseason. He trained in Atlanta with some speed technicians, including long-jumper Dwight Phillips. “I trained with a few Olympic runners and jumpers,” Kaepernick told me. “Just to try to get a little bit faster, a little bit better. Anything I could do to try to get a little bit better and stay ahead of the competition. I think the biggest thing was the form of running and how to be more efficient when I run. I feel like that has helped me to this point, and it’s something I’m trying to improve on more and more, but I think those few weeks with them were very valuable.” He said he improved his stride and “the way I contact the ground. There are a lot of details to running that I never even thought about. I just went out and ran. I think I can be faster. I think I can be quicker.” Not sure if we’ll notice, but talking to Kaepernick, and seeing how excited he was about his running training, I wouldn’t be surprised if he’s a tick faster in 2013.
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Faust said:
Excerpt from Peter King's MMQB today:

2. I think it’s foreign to most of us that a player can significantly improve his speed, but Colin Kaepernick thinks he’s done just that this offseason. He trained in Atlanta with some speed technicians, including long-jumper Dwight Phillips. “I trained with a few Olympic runners and jumpers,” Kaepernick told me. “Just to try to get a little bit faster, a little bit better. Anything I could do to try to get a little bit better and stay ahead of the competition. I think the biggest thing was the form of running and how to be more efficient when I run. I feel like that has helped me to this point, and it’s something I’m trying to improve on more and more, but I think those few weeks with them were very valuable.” He said he improved his stride and “the way I contact the ground. There are a lot of details to running that I never even thought about. I just went out and ran. I think I can be faster. I think I can be quicker.” Not sure if we’ll notice, but talking to Kaepernick, and seeing how excited he was about his running training, I wouldn’t be surprised if he’s a tick faster in 2013.
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Those tats weigh him down. What a thug.

 
Touchdown There said:
Two guys that I picked up off the waiver wire last year in my only dynasty league. Lamar Miller and Colin Kaepernick. Jackpot!
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Jesus Christ. How small our your rosters, to have those guys on the waiver wire?

 
I'm in a

ConnSKINS26 said:
Touchdown There said:
Two guys that I picked up off the waiver wire last year in my only dynasty league. Lamar Miller and Colin Kaepernick. Jackpot!
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Jesus Christ. How small our your rosters, to have those guys on the waiver wire?
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I'm in a 10 team league where we roster 14 position players, and can keep 4. Neither Miller or Kaepernick are rostered amongst the 140 players currently designated to one of the ten teams in our league going into 2013. Miller was the 3rd string guy most of the year, and Kaepernick wasn't starting until the latter part of the year.

A bit more surprising that these two were not on teams in a dynasty league but under the circumstances, not shocking.

 
Ned Ryerson said:
I'm in a

ConnSKINS26 said:
Touchdown There said:
Two guys that I picked up off the waiver wire last year in my only dynasty league. Lamar Miller and Colin Kaepernick. Jackpot!
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Jesus Christ. How small our your rosters, to have those guys on the waiver wire?
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I'm in a 10 team league where we roster 14 position players, and can keep 4. Neither Miller or Kaepernick are rostered amongst the 140 players currently designated to one of the ten teams in our league going into 2013. Miller was the 3rd string guy most of the year, and Kaepernick wasn't starting until the latter part of the year. A bit more surprising that these two were not on teams in a dynasty league but under the circumstances, not shocking.
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In a league like that, it's more understandable for sure.

But that guy said "dynasty league".

 
ConnSKINS26 said:
Ned Ryerson said:
I'm in a

ConnSKINS26 said:
Touchdown There said:
Two guys that I picked up off the waiver wire last year in my only dynasty league. Lamar Miller and Colin Kaepernick. Jackpot!
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Jesus Christ. How small our your rosters, to have those guys on the waiver wire?
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I'm in a 10 team league where we roster 14 position players, and can keep 4. Neither Miller or Kaepernick are rostered amongst the 140 players currently designated to one of the ten teams in our league going into 2013. Miller was the 3rd string guy most of the year, and Kaepernick wasn't starting until the latter part of the year. A bit more surprising that these two were not on teams in a dynasty league but under the circumstances, not shocking.
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In a league like that, it's more understandable for sure.

But that guy said "dynasty league".
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12 team 1 PPR, 20 man roster size max. Lamar Miller was drafted in the rookie draft at 1.08, but was dropped by the owner when he was 3rd string and bye weeks hit. Kaep was on nearly all waiver wires before he was named the starter.

 
Seems like another guy who played in the NFL with a bunch of tats just went to jail for murder... go figure... stereotypes are not just made up, they usually come from somewhere...

 
Shawn said:
Seems like another guy who played in the NFL with a bunch of tats just went to jail for murder... go figure... stereotypes are not just made up, they usually come from somewhere...
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I'd say 80% of the players in the NFL have tats if not more. What exactly are you trying to say?

 
sho nuff said:
Shawnky said:
Shawn said:
Seems like another guy who played in the NFL with a bunch of tats just went to jail for murder... go figure... stereotypes are not just made up, they usually come from somewhere...
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I'd say 80% of the players in the NFL have tats if not more. What exactly are you trying to say?
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Hell, the whole NBA must be full of murderers.
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The dude from Maroon 5 is probably stabbing some one as I type this...

 
A few words about Colin Kaepernick

By Mike Sando | ESPN.com

Matt Barrows of the Sacramento Bee has written the story San Francisco 49ers fans were hoping to see, one that affirms Colin Kaepernick's football identity following an offseason packed with extra-curricular activities.

We've seen Kaepernick pose nude in ESPN The Magazine, tick off some 49ers loyalists by defiantly wearing a Miami Dolphins hat and show up for the ESPY Awards in sunglasses. We've seen him strike an endorsement deal with Jaguar and go on shopping sprees to stock his home with expensive sneakers.

All of these things taken together could create the wrong impression. But as Barrows reports, Kaepernick is still the first one to arrive for work, usually before 6 a.m.

"He's universally respected in the locker room and loved by his teammates," coach Jim Harbaugh said in the Barrows piece. "I guess I see that from the 25-to-35 demographic, too, buying jerseys. People relate to him. They like his company, they like being around him, and I've noticed that very much from our team."

We've seen the 25-year-old Kaepernick produce on the field, but we're still learning about his overall makeup. This piece is a notable addition to the file.

Update: Tight end Vernon Davis offered thoughts regarding Kaepernick during an interview Sunday. It's great hearing from coaches about players, but teammates can provide another level of authenticity.

"From the time he started all the way up to the Super Bowl, totally different guy right now," Davis said of Kaepernick. "Touch. Precise decisions. He's talking more. He's being a leader. He's working extra hard. I don't know if you guys know, he is not just a worker on the field, but he is a worker in the weight room. Every time I turn around, he’s working. ... You are going to get 110 percent out of this guy."
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Faust said:
A few words about Colin Kaepernick

By Mike Sando | ESPN.com

Matt Barrows of the Sacramento Bee has written the story San Francisco 49ers fans were hoping to see, one that affirms Colin Kaepernick's football identity following an offseason packed with extra-curricular activities.

We've seen Kaepernick pose nude in ESPN The Magazine, tick off some 49ers loyalists by defiantly wearing a Miami Dolphins hat and show up for the ESPY Awards in sunglasses. We've seen him strike an endorsement deal with Jaguar and go on shopping sprees to stock his home with expensive sneakers.

All of these things taken together could create the wrong impression. But as Barrows reports, Kaepernick is still the first one to arrive for work, usually before 6 a.m.

"He's universally respected in the locker room and loved by his teammates," coach Jim Harbaugh said in the Barrows piece. "I guess I see that from the 25-to-35 demographic, too, buying jerseys. People relate to him. They like his company, they like being around him, and I've noticed that very much from our team."

We've seen the 25-year-old Kaepernick produce on the field, but we're still learning about his overall makeup. This piece is a notable addition to the file.Update: Tight end Vernon Davis offered thoughts regarding Kaepernick during an interview Sunday. It's great hearing from coaches about players, but teammates can provide another level of authenticity.

"From the time he started all the way up to the Super Bowl, totally different guy right now," Davis said of Kaepernick. "Touch. Precise decisions. He's talking more. He's being a leader. He's working extra hard. I don't know if you guys know, he is not just a worker on the field, but he is a worker in the weight room. Every time I turn around, he’s working. ... You are going to get 110 percent out of this guy."
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So great to hear quotes like that. I think people overlook that Kaep has Harbaugh as a coach. His ceiling is so incredibly high.

 
althepostman said:
Faust said:
A few words about Colin Kaepernick

By Mike Sando | ESPN.com

Matt Barrows of the Sacramento Bee has written the story San Francisco 49ers fans were hoping to see, one that affirms Colin Kaepernick's football identity following an offseason packed with extra-curricular activities.

We've seen Kaepernick pose nude in ESPN The Magazine, tick off some 49ers loyalists by defiantly wearing a Miami Dolphins hat and show up for the ESPY Awards in sunglasses. We've seen him strike an endorsement deal with Jaguar and go on shopping sprees to stock his home with expensive sneakers.

All of these things taken together could create the wrong impression. But as Barrows reports, Kaepernick is still the first one to arrive for work, usually before 6 a.m.

"He's universally respected in the locker room and loved by his teammates," coach Jim Harbaugh said in the Barrows piece. "I guess I see that from the 25-to-35 demographic, too, buying jerseys. People relate to him. They like his company, they like being around him, and I've noticed that very much from our team."

We've seen the 25-year-old Kaepernick produce on the field, but we're still learning about his overall makeup. This piece is a notable addition to the file.Update: Tight end Vernon Davis offered thoughts regarding Kaepernick during an interview Sunday. It's great hearing from coaches about players, but teammates can provide another level of authenticity.

"From the time he started all the way up to the Super Bowl, totally different guy right now," Davis said of Kaepernick. "Touch. Precise decisions. He's talking more. He's being a leader. He's working extra hard. I don't know if you guys know, he is not just a worker on the field, but he is a worker in the weight room. Every time I turn around, he’s working. ... You are going to get 110 percent out of this guy."
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So great to hear quotes like that. I think people overlook that Kaep has Harbaugh as a coach. His ceiling is so incredibly high.
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I worry about the lack of receiving threats for him.

 
althepostman said:
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1723532-san-francisco-49ers-how-qb-colin-kaepernick-has-already-improved-for-2013
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My word. EIGHT FEET per stride!?! That's just cartoonish!

"In his now-infamous 56-yard touchdown versus the Packers,Kaepernick covered the last 40 yards of field in 15 steps. Former Green Bay defensive back Charles Woodson (6’1”, 210 lbs.) needed 20 steps. This kind of dangerous open-field ability ultimately results in a lot of big plays, putting both shorter and heavier defenders at a disadvantage."

 
Rotoworld:

CSN Bay Area's Matt Maiocco named Colin Kaepernick the 49ers' "offensive player of camp" for an outstanding August.
Per Maiocco, Kaepernick was "clearly the team's best offensive player," running the read option with "aplomb" and showing improved touch. Although Kap's sheer wide receiver corps is shallow and largely unimpressive, he targeted Vernon Davis and Anquan Boldin "with regularity," and they could both be 2013 target monsters. Kaepernick has as high a ceiling as any quarterback in football.


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CSN Bay Area's Matt Maiocco describes Colin Kaepernick's training camp chemistry with Vernon Davis as "seemingly unstoppable."
We've read reports of Davis and Kaepernick's impressive rapport throughout August, carrying over from January's playoffs. "Last year when he first got the starting job, we'd be at practice and he'd keep overthrowing me," Davis described. "I'd be running as fast as I possibly could and Colin just kept overthrowing me. Now we get out there and it's night and day. He puts the ball right there. Man, he's come a long way. I'm very impressed."


Source: CSN Bay Area
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jvdesigns2002 said:
'SSOG said:
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'Concept Coop said:
'jvdesigns2002 said:
Defenses saw what Cam did in his rookie season and spotted tendencies and weaknesses and adjusted their game plans accordingly. Of course, this resulted in Cam starting off the season in a very slow manner. Once Cam adjusted to the tweeks and adjustments defenses made against him to start the season--he started to put up good numbers again.
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I know it's off topic and that I should drop it. But everyone throws this around and won't support it with anything. I watched most Panther games and it was pretty obvious that once they started running downhill and used less option, the offense turned around. Play action was more effective, the running production picked up, and they started moving the ball. I just think that we someone is going to claim that defenses figure Cam out, they should be able to provide an example.
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Just look at the numbers. Look at Carolina's record. Look at what people were paying for Cam in fantasy leagues in his rookie season versus what he did last year. His total season numbers looked decent--but those are deceiving because a few performances pumped them up. Cam was an ineffective qb for much of the first half of last season--how is that not evidence enough for you?
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If the reason Cam struggled from weeks 1-8 is because defenses figured him out, then what's the explanation for weeks 9-17? Over that span, he was the #1 QB in fantasy football. Did defenses unfigure him out? I think the "defenses figured him out" narrative is too simple to really explain Cam Newton's season last year- you really do have to look at the role his offensive system played, as well as remember that splits sometimes happen for no reason whatsoever- it is the nature of random variation to create plenty of hot and cold streaks due to sheer randomness. Also worth pointing out that even during his cold stretch (weeks 1-8), Newton was 13th in fantasy points and 3rd in YPA. That's a lot better than most players' cold stretches will tend to be.
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Did you read my response--Cam started off the season slow because defenses adjusted to him--and another poster brought up some points about strategies within the Panthers that could have also contributed to a slow start. By midway through the season, both cam and the panthers made tweeks and adjustments to counter what defenses were doing--and it worked. My main point is that during Cam's rookie season--people were saying that he was also a top 2-3 dynasty stud qb--and if you gave up the bank or dismantled your team for him in hopes of winning last year--the odds are that you ended up being disappointed. The point is that the prime time to have bought Cam would have been in the first half of last season and not when his price was at a maximum--which was during his rookie season. I don't understand why that concept is hard to understand nor why people seem offended by it. Cam is a great quarterback--but he wasn't worth acquiring at top 3 pricing--nor is Kaep. Can I make it clearer that this doesn't mean that I think Cam is not great.
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How did they adjust to him and how did it affect his production?

 
FantasyTrader said:
althepostman said:
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1723532-san-francisco-49ers-how-qb-colin-kaepernick-has-already-improved-for-2013
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My word. EIGHT FEET per stride!?! That's just cartoonish!

"In his now-infamous 56-yard touchdown versus the Packers,Kaepernick covered the last 40 yards of field in 15 steps. Former Green Bay defensive back Charles Woodson (6’1”, 210 lbs.) needed 20 steps. This kind of dangerous open-field ability ultimately results in a lot of big plays, putting both shorter and heavier defenders at a disadvantage."
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nice overlooked attribute find to both of you...

alberto "el caballo" juantarena-esque! :)

 
althepostman said:
http://www.csnbayarea.com/blog/matt-maiocco/kaepernicks-touch-throws-have-vastly-improved

If this is accurate, good luck to the rest of the league.....
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what stood out once he was inserted for smith, he was a little tentative for a few games, but something quicly became clear to me... everybody knew he was better runner than smith, but once he became more comfortable, i realized he was a better passer, too, and not just in terms of having a stronger arm... i thought he had better accuracy on intermediate and deep passes, quicker release and made better decisions...

when you couple his arm, legs, brain, work ethic, relative youth, ability to get better with still not even one season of starts entering his third year... his upside might be as high as any young QB in the league, including luck, RGIII, wilson, stafford...

article excerpt, thought this part was cool...

"After all, Kaepernick is the guy who showed up to throw the first pitch at a Giants game this summer and uncorked an 87 mph pitch from the mound after only a couple warmup tosses."

some information i hadn't heard before was in the comments below... maybe not that prescient or great revelation... johnson hasn't done much in NFL, and kaepernick was handpicked by harbaugh with high 2nd round pick, so he was presumed future at QB, it was more a question of when...

"I wonder if Colin Kaepernick still stays in touch and gets consultation from his old QB Guru Roger Theder. Theder had coached Kaepernick since High School. He also coached Josh Johnson since H.S., Johnson is now on Cincinnati as the #2 QB and pushing to take Andy Daltons job, Johnson played for Harbaugh at San Diego. It was Theder who in 2012 when the 49ers had brought in Johnson to compete with Smith and Kaepernick for QB ,commented that Kaepernick was the better QB of the 3 and would beat them both for the starting job. Although Theder had mentored both Kaepernick and Johnson ( Both of whom had fantastic collegiate careers ) he said both were better than Smith, but Kaepernick was better than Johnson and it was his better work ethic that set him ahead of Johnson."

another interesting comment, not sure i agree with everything, but an interesting perspective... high praise for 49ers homer, since montana and young were SF QBs... though montana wasn't known for deep throws, and i think kaepernick has stronger arm than young, though he was pretty accurate (one or two years around 70%?)... i heard somebody who attended the manning's passing camp noticing they were both giggling, and when they asked why, it was because of the velocity with which the ball exploded out of hand...

"I love how people who know nothing about Kaep think that so long as they stop him running they can somehow beat us. Kaep is a dangerous passer, perhaps the most dangerous in the NFL outside of Aaron Rodgers. The guy has the most accurate deep throws I've ever seen of any QB that's ever played for the 49ers. He can throw a 40+ yard out route on a dime (see the pass he made to Kyle Williams in the Bears game last year).

If you add touch passes and better decision making to what he already has, he could be vying for the MVP this year."

 
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