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Colin Kaepernick - NFL future? (1 Viewer)

I actually think the Colts backups minus Brissett have been bottom of the barrel for decades.  

Sorgi, Hasselback, Brissett, Ehlinger, and now Foles. I could have missed some, but memory and quick look up confirms these.
I agree and said as much. Don’t forget the worst one Curtis Painter.  I didn’t like Brissett either, but he looks like Unitas compared to most of their backups.  I actually like Foles on paper, but I hope we don’t have to find out.

 
I agree and said as much. Don’t forget the worst one Curtis Painter.  I didn’t like Brissett either, but he looks like Unitas compared to most of their backups.  I actually like Foles on paper, but I hope we don’t have to find out.
Haha I forgot about Painter.  I agree though I don't want to find out about Foles, but to me he is probably best backup in awhile.  

 
If you have to point out it belongs in the politics forum, DON"T POST IT HERE. 

You also struggle to understand facts verse opinion in your post.  

About Kap.  I want him to get every chance to play in the NFL.  If there is any blackballing at all it's wrong and should be called out.  My opinion is he isn't good enough at this point to be a backup, maybe a 3rd stringer, but what is the upside for a team bringing him in as a 34 year old 3rd stringer.
I was offering it as correction for an Incorrect assertion, with a link to validate it. It was perfectly appropriate in the context of this discussion.

Your response was not in the slightest.  

Welcome to ignore. 👍🏼

 
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I was offering it as correction for an Incorrect assertion, with a link to validate it. It was perfectly appropriate in the context of this discussion.

Your response was not in the slightest.  

Welcome to ignore. 👍🏼
I don't mind being on ignore. You have said it multiple times to many posters on this site.  If you truly wanted to just ignore a poster you don't actually need to announce it.  It serves no purpose.

 
I was offering it as correction for an Incorrect assertion, with a link to validate it. It was perfectly appropriate in the context of this discussion.

Your response was not in the slightest.  

Welcome to ignore. 👍🏼
I know you didn't write it but Boyer only played for the Seahawks. 🙂

 
I was offering it as correction for an Incorrect assertion, with a link to validate it. It was perfectly appropriate in the context of this discussion.

Your response was not in the slightest.  

Welcome to ignore. 👍🏼
Regardless whether a veteran or player said take a knee, IMO it is disrespectful to those who have died and I'm sure many family members of those who made the ultimate sacrifice don't approve either.  I respect his right to protest, but many believe it was a poor platform to choose.  I'm out of this conversation.  Joe doesn't want political talk in the Shark Pool.  I know it's hard not to with Kaepernick, but I think enough on the subject has already been said.  I wanted to make  a comment about Muhammad Ali and how my feelings towards him changed over time, considering I grew up in that era.

 
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Regardless whether a veteran or player said take a knee, IMO it is disrespectful to those who have died and I'm sure many family members of those who made the ultimate sacrifice don't approve either.  I respect his right to protest, but many believe it was a poor platform to choose.  I'm out of this conversation.  Joe doesn't want political talk in the Shark Pool.  I know it's hard not to with Kaepernick, but I think enough on the subject has already been said.  I wanted to make  a comment about Muhammad Ali and how my feelings towards him changed over time, considering I grew up in that era.
We can agree to disagree about that. In time I think you’ll come around, but it’s not  my job to convince you. 

 
We can agree to disagree about that. In time I think you’ll come around, but it’s not  my job to convince you. 
You can think all you want, but my opinion on that won't change because I have too much respect for those who have died and their family members who have suffered.  Thus the reason I stand for the national anthem and remove my hat.  Everyone has their own opinions about the flag and can do as they wish.  It doesn't mean I agree with everyone, or "will come around".  As a fellow Kentuckian, my feelings toward Ali are deep rooted,  because of what the man contributed as a whole to the world, not because he chose not to go to Vietnam Nam.  

 
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I don’t want to re-litigate this, but this was the myth that the right wingers created as deflection from what he was doing. Red meat for the already angry.

The idea for his protest originated with a veteran Green Beret (and teammate) named Nate Boyer. It is a fact that Kaep’s protest did nothing to disrespect the flag, nor those who died in service of our country. The time he chose to protest was pre-game, during the anthem, as that was when all eyes were on him (and those who joined him) and didn’t distract from the game on the field. Protesting when No one is watching doesn’t do much to raise awareness. 

Whether people do or do not support Kaep’s cause, the reality is the protest was the inspiration of a United States military veteran. I’m glad to learn that your opinion of him has evolved - I only hope more people come to understand why it’s important.

https://www.npr.org/2018/09/09/646115651/the-veteran-and-nfl-player-who-advised-kaepernick-to-take-a-knee

but again, this is more for the politics forum. 
i’m now in my 24th year of serving and never did i take this a slap in the face, in fact i appreciated the fact that i serve to give people the right to express their freedoms. the people most upset have never served a day in their lives, what this guy did with a team made up of tight ends as receivers was solid

 
You can think all you want, but my opinion on that won't change because I have too much respect for those who have died and their family members who have suffered.  Thus the reason I stand for the national anthem and remove my hat.  Everyone has their on opinions about the flag and can do as they wish.  It doesn't mean I agree with everyone, or "will come around".  As a fellow Kentuckian, my feelings toward Ali are deep rooted,  because of what the man contributed as a whole to the world, not because he chose not to go to Vietnam Nam.  
who many years did you serve? just curious because most us that are serving now do it for people in this country to have freedoms, not some bull#### idea to fall inline. sports are entertainment, not something that protects our freedoms

 
who many years did you serve? just curious because most us that are serving now do it for people in this country to have freedoms, not some bull#### idea to fall inline. sports are entertainment, not something that protects our freedoms
I didn't serve, but I respect those who did and it is heartbreaking to hear the news when they die serving their country.  If anyone hasn't seen the movie "Taking Chance" they should.  

 
CGRdrJoe said:
i’m now in my 24th year of serving and never did i take this a slap in the face, in fact i appreciated the fact that i serve to give people the right to express their freedoms. the people most upset have never served a day in their lives, what this guy did with a team made up of tight ends as receivers was solid
Thank you for your service. 24 years - man. That’s commendable.

I have many friends/family members who have served and have said similar things about the protest. And in retrospect, more people probably shoulda listened to Kaep back then.

Back on topic, I do hope he gets a shot. He wasn’t Joe Montana, but he was still better than quite a few backups in the league. 

 
ESPN's Jeremy Fowler reports "no signing was imminent" for Colin Kaepernick following his workout with the Raiders. 

Fowler previously reported that the workout "was largely considered a positive." The Raiders have Nick Mullens and Jarrett Stidham, who they traded for, already on the roster. That isn't an elite backup duo, but it may be enough to prevent Vegas from signing anyone else at the moment. Kaepernick will continue to get some buzz throughout the summer, though it remains unlikely that a team takes a shot on him given the last time he took the field was in 2016.

RELATED: 

Las Vegas Raiders

SOURCE: ESPN

May 27, 2022, 2:04 PM ET

 
Hot Sauce Guy said:
Interesting I’d always read it was a teammate. Did they play together in college? 
Long story short...Boyer a Green Beret had an open letter published stating that the military has fought for freedom and for others to be able to speak their mind. He also said that what Kap was saying was not incorrect. Kap reached out to Boyer after reading this article and asked if there was a different way to protest without offending people who had served their country, and Boyer came up with the idea to kneel. They had never met prior.

 
The Athletic's Vic Tafur reports that Colin Kaepernick's Raiders workout was "fine," but that the end result "appears to be some notes scribbled in another player folder in a computer full of them."

Kaepernick is "in good shape and can still fling the ball way downfield," notes Tatur. Kaepernick's workout was reviewed in much the same way by Jeremy Fowler in late May. The 34-year-old quarterback hasn't played since 2016, but would likely be a better backup quarterback than some teams currently employ if someone decides to sign him. 

RELATED: 

Las Vegas Raiders

SOURCE: The Athletic

Jun 5, 2022, 1:15 PM ET

 
My thing with Kaep the player is that although I agree that when he was on the top of his game he had major flaws, he was still better than the vast majority of backup QBs in the league and at least some of the starters.

QBs hit their prime in their 30s now they say. IDK if he would ever be the same player or close to it, but I feel confident he is still way better than most backups. 

So in that sense I still consider it a great injustice that he hasn't been signed anywhere. However, I also recognize that no backup would ever come with more PR baggage than him. Which would be a gigantic distraction away from whoever the starter is. And I 100% agree with his political stance (and I served) but could see not making him a backup if I were GM simply because of the noise.

Leaning into it and making him your starter makes more sense, but we seem to agree he *probably* isn't that good. 

 
My thing with Kaep the player is that although I agree that when he was on the top of his game he had major flaws, he was still better than the vast majority of backup QBs in the league and at least some of the starters.

QBs hit their prime in their 30s now they say. IDK if he would ever be the same player or close to it, but I feel confident he is still way better than most backups. 

So in that sense I still consider it a great injustice that he hasn't been signed anywhere. However, I also recognize that no backup would ever come with more PR baggage than him. Which would be a gigantic distraction away from whoever the starter is. And I 100% agree with his political stance (and I served) but could see not making him a backup if I were GM simply because of the noise.

Leaning into it and making him your starter makes more sense, but we seem to agree he *probably* isn't that good. 
From what I remember, Kaep wanted starter money from the time he left SF. He didn’t fashion himself as a backup. Only recently has he indicated he just wants back in the league even as a backup. I don’t think he would agree to a league minimum contract even now, and I think his financial demands have had to have played a role in him still being on the street. 

 
My thing with Kaep the player is that although I agree that when he was on the top of his game he had major flaws, he was still better than the vast majority of backup QBs in the league and at least some of the starters.

QBs hit their prime in their 30s now they say. IDK if he would ever be the same player or close to it, but I feel confident he is still way better than most backups. 

So in that sense I still consider it a great injustice that he hasn't been signed anywhere. However, I also recognize that no backup would ever come with more PR baggage than him. Which would be a gigantic distraction away from whoever the starter is. And I 100% agree with his political stance (and I served) but could see not making him a backup if I were GM simply because of the noise.

Leaning into it and making him your starter makes more sense, but we seem to agree he *probably* isn't that good. 
The first rule of NFL back-up QB's is we don't talk about NFL back-up QB's.

 
"I spoke to the G.M. (Dave Zieger) several times and he said they all thought Kap was in great shape and threw the ball really well and encouraged any team to call him about the workout and he would tell them the same. 

If he looked great, why haven't they signed him? Saying you'd tell other teams how great he looked is an odd statement to make if you had any interest in signing him yourself. 

 
"I spoke to the G.M. (Dave Zieger) several times and he said they all thought Kap was in great shape and threw the ball really well and encouraged any team to call him about the workout and he would tell them the same. 

If he looked great, why haven't they signed him? Saying you'd tell other teams how great he looked is an odd statement to make if you had any interest in signing him yourself. 
Also, if it was a great workout, I would think the tape would be all over the sports channels.  I haven't seen any of the film anywhere. 

 
From what I remember, Kaep wanted starter money from the time he left SF. He didn’t fashion himself as a backup. Only recently has he indicated he just wants back in the league even as a backup. I don’t think he would agree to a league minimum contract even now, and I think his financial demands have had to have played a role in him still being on the street. 
Yeah that is my understanding as well.

The first rule of NFL back-up QB's is we don't talk about NFL back-up QB's.
Exactly. What might makes more sense though is later in the season if a contending team loses their starter to injury and the backup reality suddenly becomes clear...they need someone better if they have a chance to salvage their run...then maybe just maybe somebody brings him in. But that also seems like a longshot. 

 
If nothing else having him competing for a spot on the roster would change the narrative around the team. Give the press a sparkly object to talk about instead of Watson for a month or two. Win, win if you believe Kap really wants to play football.

IMO he really wants no part of losing badly in a QB battle with Brissett and Josh Dobbs which kills the whole narrative that he's been "black balled" by the NFL for years narrative that his post football career is built upon.

If he is so desperate to make money playing pro football why hasn't he been DOMINATING up in the CFL for years now? Or even just one year?

 
I figured I'd chime in here on the CK as I was at a camp for a former NFL Player local to my area who holds a football camp at a HS about 5 mins from my house Anthony Becht. I went to college with his sister and her now husband. This was the first camp for youth kids since the pandemic and he brings in former coaches from his youth, HS, College and NFL days along with former teammates and NFL players a few local NFL guys who grew up in Philly sometimes join. Last camp we had Vinny Testeverde with us which was pretty cool. Past players have included Wayne Chrebet, Warren Sapp, Derrick Brooks, Shaun King, etc. My Uncle/ Godfather graduated with him in HS as well and we're decent friends. 

Anyway every year after practice the staff and kids get a lunch catered by local sponsors. This is a chance for us to all talk and get to know one another as well. I've had the privilege of meeting some amazing people in football because of this who have shared tremendous stories and a few I can't tell on here. Anyway I was talking to a former player who was teammates with Warren Sapp. We were discussing NFL QB's why some don't succeed etc and CK's name came up. Off the record I asked his opinion on the situation. This teammate for Context is Black. 

On The Cause itself:

He backs the the cause and what the message is but he felt that CK went about the situation the wrong way. Apparently he didn't involve any teammates and he felt it was selfish of CK to do this on his own without letting coaching staff and teammates at least know. This way they knew what he was doing, why etc and there wouldn't be an awkward moment. 

ON the Player Coalition and CK not playing:

He backs the coalition and thought CK acted like an absolute baby who threw a temper tantrum because things didn't go his way. so he took his ball and went home. Thats when he stopped supporting CK because he thought CK could've acted more of an adult. Instead he threw people under the bus. He was pretty miffed how CK also didn't say or do anything with the Eric Reid/Malcom Jenkins situation. He said CK practically F'd himself there because Jenkins is by far one of the most respected players and Union members in the league By not supporting CK showed he was more about himself

On His lack of opportunities in the NFL

He basically gave the typical answer first of is Colin's production gonna be worth the media circus he brings which he believed was a ABSOLUTELY NOT. He then went on to further explain that from his contacts players and coaches and owners were concerned about his commitment to the NFL. Some teams were willing to sign him as a back up on a prove it deal but CK's camp only wanted Starting opportunities. He did say Colin had an oppurtunity to sign with a Very QB needy team on a prove it 1 yrs deal, with the fact he could possible be starting mid season but Colin's people turned it down. This led to people wondering about his work ethic 

Nessa Baltimore situaton and tweets:

Baltimore was ready to sign Colin and had a meeting right before going to sign him when Tweet from CK's GF Nessa came out that were pretty stereotypical and racially charged that included the owner, GM and Ray Lewis. He said the story Lewis shared about this is 1OO% accurate. The Ravens gave Colin a chance to tell Nessa to delete the tweets and tell her to back off if he really wanted an oppurtunity they needed him to be all in. Colin refused. This sent even more question marks to the NFL etc about him.

Was he committed to Football or the cause:

Many former teammates including a few I talked to wondered if Colin was really committed to an NFL career still or using it now as a stepping stone. Teams do not want to sign guys with any baggage who they don't believe is committed to playing. Colin's lack of effort on this front further didn't help him

NFL workout awhile back:

Apparently it was a cluster#### from the start. Both parties could barely agree on a date let alone location. NFL wanted to keep the extracurricular stuff out meaning just having NFL media there, team staffs etc. Colin wanted a whole production out of it which the NFL didn't want. There was also tons of miscommunication and Ck was asking for a lot of stuff that just couldn't be guaranteed for when he wanted the workout done. He also wasn't great in the workout 

Current NFL Workout with Raiders

Finally we get to the latest workout. I was told by this guy Warren Sapp was lets just say very nice with how he described the workout for CK. It was apparently embarrassingly bad. Said Sapp is a good guy who's defended CK in past in private to people as well. He didn't want to publicly humiliate CK here. They brought in a few young bulls to catch passes and defend literally guys off the street which Colin's team had LAV agree to have people sign NDA's to not talk about the workout. He was poor on throwing and the arm strength he had yrs ago was all but gone. They had him run a mock 2 Min drill and he barely made it through. He wasn't out of shape per say in terms of looks but out of NFL shape for sure. I asked if the workout by Raiders was genuine. He said he believed it was but after the Grudden situation LAV wants to get their image in a better spot and believes they saw this as an opportunity to help rehab it more.Raiders are always looking to upgrade the back up QB spot now. 

Summary was essentilly CK could've done more to help his own image. NFL had some mess ups along the way but he thinks anyone fully blaming the NFL is looking at this as a black and white issue with a clear answer which is not. He also believes the national media doesn't help and does more to divide the general population on these issues.

Overall it was a really good conversation TTLR version essentially this guy backed the cause but felt CK went about it wrong. CK could've done more to help himself and had opportunities. NFL could've done a better job as well. CK's last workout was terrible. 

I know some here will brush this off and say I'm lying etc. I just wanted to pass off some stuff I had gotten. We also talked about other NFL things with some of the guys at camp including Eagles related stuff I'll be putting over there tonight. Given he just had a workout I wanted to pass off what I had heard. 

 
If he is so desperate to make money playing pro football why hasn't he been DOMINATING up in the CFL for years now? Or even just one year?


He had an offer but told them he wanted like $2OM or something ridiculous. If he really wanted to play football he'd have at least joined the USFL this year or tried the XFL. One of the big reasons no one is interested is the baggage of the drama he's created along with the fact most believe he doesn't have the passion to play the game. His talent that he brings isn't worth the drama. 

The problem is a lot of people who don't watch football consistently got involved and turned it into a blackball issue on both sides. Another issue that Ive heard from trusted sources and some former teammates is he's a huge baby and thin skinned. Can't take hard coaching or constructive criticism. Harbaugh wanted to discipline him for multiple tardiness infractions in SF and he ran to the Yorks crying about it. The Yorks coddled him which frustrated Harbaugh. He also constantly disrespected veteran teammates. He's a great example of what you don't want on the team. His GF was dating ALdon Smith and she was banging CK while she and Smith were still dating. Most teammates were furious and thats why the physical altercation at camp happened. Most of the players were on Smith's side. A lot of players left SF do to CK getting treated better then others and how protected and coddled the Yorks got him. He's the NFL version of Ben Simmons 

He's lucky Malcolm Jenkins didn't sue him for liable and acted like the better man in that situation. 

This is the biggest problem as most don't want this truth coming out. Most think he used the cause to try and save his NFL career and it backfired. Went about it the wrong way. I hate people who use these Social Justice issues for the wrong reasons. I got little to no respect for those. And he's gone off the deepens on the whole thing too. 

 
From what I remember, Kaep wanted starter money from the time he left SF. He didn’t fashion himself as a backup. Only recently has he indicated he just wants back in the league even as a backup. I don’t think he would agree to a league minimum contract even now, and I think his financial demands have had to have played a role in him still being on the street. 


He screwed the pooch on that when he went after Malcom Jenkins and lied. I know Jenkins assistant Position coach in Philly as he's local and his mom worked with me before retiring. Jenkins had every ounce of evidence to sue Colin and his camp for Liable and defamation but Jenkins thought doing so could put a crack in the player coalition and send a wrong message to media about possible infighting. Most of the NLFPA backed Jenkins as he's one of the most respected members and well liked in the Union similar to JC Tretter and Demeco Ryans and the other guy who played for the Texans who's name escapes me. CK went after the wrong NFL dude. When Jenkins became Coalition president and CK didn't his and Eric Reid's attitudes changed. 

Eric Reid after being signed by Car kept running his mouth. When the Eagles played Carolina in Phily there was a scuffle caused by Reid prior to the game. Former Eagle and Jenkins teammate Torrey Smith tried to calm Reid down who started accusing Smith of not being a team player and "siding with the enemy". During the game Eric Reid was playing dirty and tried to cheap shot Carson Wentz. Reid's behavior was so bad even the commentary team made a mention that Reid needed to calm down because he was playing recklessly and could get himself thrown out. Forget the sideline reporter who also mentioned Reid's teammates and coach's concerned with this and calm him down. After that incident CK said nothing but kept backing Reid. A lot of players I was told took that personally as they are a brotherhood and to see one of their own try and injure people because of a disagreement and the main instigator of the back and forth keeps defending the guy trying to intentionally injure people sends the wrong message. 

Colin also sued the NFLPA essentially blackballing himself from the Union defending him. Colin didn't want to share his new found spotlight after he got numerous players to back the cause. The problem with CK was more with the fact he used the cause to save his career and has been making an embarrassing attempt to act like he still cares about it. CK screwed CK in this situation. He had the backing of the players association at first till he realized he had to share his spotlight. When that happened Colin took his ball and went home because he can't share. 

 
Jackson hurt, Mahomes dinged, Jimmy G out for the year. Will a team kick the tires on Kappy?

Keep this about football only.
No, even if the teams were making decisions strictly on football.

That ship's been out to sea to long and it sailed away forever. You just saw how rusty Watson was and he's only missed barely over 1.5 seasons, got in a full training camp, some preseason action and has been at the facility working for weeks.

Kap's a 35 year old guy who has not played football in 6 years. It's over.
 
Jackson hurt, Mahomes dinged, Jimmy G out for the year. Will a team kick the tires on Kappy?

Keep this about football only.
No, even if the teams were making decisions strictly on football.

That ship's been out to sea to long and it sailed away forever. You just saw how rusty Watson was and he's only missed barely over 1.5 seasons, got in a full training camp, some preseason action and has been at the facility working for weeks.

Kap's a 35 year old guy who has not played football in 6 years. It's over.

The last slim chance was the botched workout a few years ago.

Even @squistion will admit this will never happen now.
 
Hot take: Kaepernick is better than Nathan Peterman and belongs on a roster.
Uhm...no. The dude is 36 years old and hasn't played football in 6 years.

The argument isn't "Kappy is better than Peterman so Kappy belongs on a roster". The argument is "NEITHER Kappy NOR Peterman belongs on a roster".
The argument is also "it's an insult to kappy that Peterson was still on a roster while kappy was still able to hold a tryout"
 
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I was just going to post this!
 
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Now you can go get that GI Joe with the Kung Fu grip for your son for Christmas
 
Jackson hurt, Mahomes dinged, Jimmy G out for the year. Will a team kick the tires on Kappy?

Keep this about football only.

Nope. CK's NFL journey is already ended. He can blame himself, his agent and girlfriend for that.
It's sad. The only place Kappy HASN'T looked for blame is in the mirror.

Yep even when the Ravens told him we'll sign you but tell your GF to retract her RACIST TWEETS ABOUT US he refused too. You can only pull the wool over the eyes of so many people for long. I'm for what he originally stood up for but not using it to try and extend your career and not really care about it. This is why I dislike Lebron. I think both are virtue Signalers at best. Don't want to get too political but both sides made this whole ordeal super political when it was about football. You had clowns like Shaun King trying rile people up that Colin was black balled for his beliefs while you had the other side trying to rile people up of it being disrespectful to Military vets, etc.

Colin showed his true colors during the player coalition stuff. Once the spotlight was off him he took his ball and best friend and went home and then tried to blame everyone else. Maybe if Colin was terrible teammate and cry baby and became the NBA version temper tantrum of Ben Simmons he'd have been voted President of the coalition. CK burned numerious bridges. Also running the the owner anytime you are criticized and them treat you like a baby and getting a teammate kicked off the team because he fought you after he found out you were balls deep in his GF multiple times doesn't sit well with your teammates. It just shows you are soft and probably should be doing something else for a day job.
 

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