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RB Bhayshul Tuten, JAX (1 Viewer)

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A 4.32 forty time with a 40.5" vertical and a 10'10" broad jump. 1.49 ten-second split.

Welcome to at least the third round and a date with (maybe) San Francisco.

Was thinking Guerrendo as I’m reading and then you add SF at the end. Nice.
 
Was really hopeful for him as a target for Pittsburgh on Day 2 as a Najee replacement/tandem guy with Warren. That forty likely complicates that.

Love his contact balance on tape. You dont wrap? You dont get him to the ground. Pretty big thighs/*** for his frame, which explains the burst/long speed, I suppose. Little bowling ball.

He was jobbing guys in pass pro at the Senior Bowl too.
 
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A 4.32 forty time with a 40.5" vertical and a 10'10" broad jump. 1.49 ten-second split.

Welcome to at least the third round and a date with (maybe) San Francisco.
Sounds like he has no agility and is simply a sprinter out there but if he lands in the right offense with those skills he could make quite a splash.
 
Sounds like he has no agility and is simply a sprinter out there but if he lands in the right offense with those skills he could make quite a splash.

I don't think this is true. They're questioning his wiggle and hips, but all I saw on his reels were people missing and him running a long, long way. Could turn out to be a poor man's Tevin Coleman. Who knows?
 
Sounds like he has no agility and is simply a sprinter out there but if he lands in the right offense with those skills he could make quite a splash.

I don't think this is true. They're questioning his wiggle and hips, but all I saw on his reels were people missing and him running a long, long way.

Plus his contact balance is nuts.

Only real serious rub on him is fumbles/drops.
 
Sounds like he has no agility and is simply a sprinter out there but if he lands in the right offense with those skills he could make quite a splash.

I don't think this is true. They're questioning his wiggle and hips, but all I saw on his reels were people missing and him running a long, long way. Could turn out to be a poor man's Tevin Coleman. Who knows?
Could see him maybe being this year's Tyrone Tracy.

Like Tracy, he needs to clean up his ball security. 9 fumbles the last 2 years is something that despite his impressive combine, I'd be surprised if he wasn't a day 3 pick.
 
Could see him maybe being this year's Tyrone Tracy.

Like Tracy, he needs to clean up his ball security. 9 fumbles the last 2 years is something that despite his impressive combine, I'd be surprised if he wasn't a day 3 pick.

Not a horrible comp, though I think Tuten has more juice as a runner and less receiving chops.

To keep it the Steeler vernacular, he sort of puts me in the mind of "what if Willie Parker and Barry Foster had a test tube kid?" He's a little bowling ball with balance/power (a la Barry) and crazy acceleration/speed (a la Willie). Neither of those guys were highly drafted, and both had some ball security issues early on too.

Cant teach that "pop" he has, though. I really hope Pittsburgh is seriously considering.
 
Sounds like he has no agility and is simply a sprinter out there but if he lands in the right offense with those skills he could make quite a splash.

I don't think this is true. They're questioning his wiggle and hips, but all I saw on his reels were people missing and him running a long, long way. Could turn out to be a poor man's Tevin Coleman. Who knows?
Could see him maybe being this year's Tyrone Tracy.

Like Tracy, he needs to clean up his ball security. 9 fumbles the last 2 years is something that despite his impressive combine, I'd be surprised if he wasn't a day 3 pick.
Might be closer to Jamal Charles.

Tex
 
Taken by Jags in the 4th. Thoughts on ETN, Tank and this backfield. Seems like the TB Cohen version of White, Bucky and Tucker.
 
Went back to look at some numbers, (yds per carry after contact plus missed tackle rate), and this guy seems very legit, so add me to the very intrigued list.
 
Next Gen Stats
RD 4 | PK 104 - Jaguars: Bhayshul Tuten RB, Virginia Tech

In a deep running back class, Tuten stands out with elite testing numbers and home run potential. After transferring from North Carolina A&T, Tuten became a two-year contributor at Virginia Tech, rushing for 1,159 yards and 15 touchdowns in 2024 en route to second-team All-ACC honors.

Tuten turned heads at the combine, posting the fastest 40-yard dash (4.32 seconds) and 10-yard split (1.49) among running backs in Indianapolis. But his athletic profile goes beyond top-end speed; he also recorded a 40 1/2-inch vertical and 10-foot-10 broad jump, helping him earn an 82 athleticism score, fifth among RBs in this year’s class. While his production score (72) is more modest, Tuten’s speed profile offers real value as a change-of-pace weapon and special teams contributor.

Tuten was @NextGenStats' No. 3 ranked Day 3 hidden gem entering this year's draft.
 
Missed tackles forced per attempt NCAA RBs 2024
1 - Jeanty - 0.40
2- Skattebo - 0.35
3 - Tuten - 0.34

YAC per attempt - 4.40 - 13th of 175 qualified RBs

PFF rush grade 80.5
Elusive rating 143.2
Breakaway percentage 54%

I'd imagine Tank still maintains a solid role and workload. But Tuten is an explosive TD waiting to happen and I'd imagine will get schemed a lot of prime touches to showcase his talent, Great Value/America's Choice Achane style. I think ETN is relegated backup and out the door end of this season.
 
I'm looking to draft this guy in every league, every format. High talent potential combined with high potential opportunity on what I'm expecting will be a very productive offense. He's this season's Bucky Irving.
 
Moved Flowers for 2.03 OTC (and 4.03) and took Tuten there. Wheels up.
:ponder: I hope that was Gennifer Flowers rather than Zay Flowers. :biggrin:
J/K

Honestly, though, I don't think I would have given up Flowers for Tuten and a fourth, but every league and every roster is different.

Perhaps I am either too high on Flowers or too low on Tuten.

I also lean Flowers. However, I'm holding 2.03, loved Flowers coming out and still haven't offered the pick up to the Flowers owner yet, so I guess it can't be too far off in a good year to pick up an early 4th.

If I was smarter I'd probably only use my draft capital to buy up recent prospects that haven't fully broken out. I'm as guilty of falling for the shiny, new mystery box as anyone.
 
Moved Flowers for 2.03 OTC (and 4.03) and took Tuten there. Wheels up.
:ponder: I hope that was Gennifer Flowers rather than Zay Flowers. :biggrin:
J/K

Honestly, though, I don't think I would have given up Flowers for Tuten and a fourth, but every league and every roster is different.

Perhaps I am either too high on Flowers or too low on Tuten.

I also lean Flowers. However, I'm holding 2.03, loved Flowers coming out and still haven't offered the pick up to the Flowers owner yet, so I guess it can't be too far off in a good year to pick up an early 4th.

If I was smarter I'd probably only use my draft capital to buy up recent prospects that haven't fully broken out. I'm as guilty of falling for the shiny, new mystery box as anyone.
I like Tuten. He is my RB8 in a really good class. However, I have him in the same tier as WR Jaylin Noel, and a full tier behind WRs Higgins, Harris, Williams and Bech. I would take Flowers over any of them. Flowers is only 24, so his best years are arguably still ahead. He was the 22nd pick in the first round of the 2023 draft, and he has lived up to his first-round status. Like I say, every league is different, roster composition is different, and all of that. However, I rate Flowers considerably higher than Tuten. Tuten is a 4th round pick who will have to leapfrog not one, but two quality young RBs ahead of him in Jacksonville. If you believe Tuten is the next great RB prospect, I wouldn't fault you for making an aggressive move to trade to acquire him, but that seems like a very steep price.
 
Moved Flowers for 2.03 OTC (and 4.03) and took Tuten there. Wheels up.
:ponder: I hope that was Gennifer Flowers rather than Zay Flowers. :biggrin:
J/K

Honestly, though, I don't think I would have given up Flowers for Tuten and a fourth, but every league and every roster is different.

Perhaps I am either too high on Flowers or too low on Tuten.

I also lean Flowers. However, I'm holding 2.03, loved Flowers coming out and still haven't offered the pick up to the Flowers owner yet, so I guess it can't be too far off in a good year to pick up an early 4th.

If I was smarter I'd probably only use my draft capital to buy up recent prospects that haven't fully broken out. I'm as guilty of falling for the shiny, new mystery box as anyone.
This is my first year in a short bench ( 20-ffpc) dynasty league . My first dynasty league has 25 with 3 IR so you can afford to stash 2-4 guys and just wait and see if they turn in to anything. In a FFPC league I just drafted, I have to decide which 2 of these 4 to cut already - Trey Benson,Bo Nix,Cedric Tillman or Dontaviyon Wicks.
 
Moved Flowers for 2.03 OTC (and 4.03) and took Tuten there. Wheels up.
:ponder: I hope that was Gennifer Flowers rather than Zay Flowers. :biggrin:
J/K

Honestly, though, I don't think I would have given up Flowers for Tuten and a fourth, but every league and every roster is different.

Perhaps I am either too high on Flowers or too low on Tuten.

I also lean Flowers. However, I'm holding 2.03, loved Flowers coming out and still haven't offered the pick up to the Flowers owner yet, so I guess it can't be too far off in a good year to pick up an early 4th.

If I was smarter I'd probably only use my draft capital to buy up recent prospects that haven't fully broken out. I'm as guilty of falling for the shiny, new mystery box as anyone.
This is my first year in a short bench ( 20-ffpc) dynasty league . My first dynasty league has 25 with 3 IR so you can afford to stash 2-4 guys and just wait and see if they turn in to anything. In a FFPC league I just drafted, I have to decide which 2 of these 4 to cut already - Trey Benson,Bo Nix,Cedric Tillman or Dontaviyon Wicks.
Cut Tillman and Wicks for sure.
 
Moved Flowers for 2.03 OTC (and 4.03) and took Tuten there. Wheels up.
:ponder: I hope that was Gennifer Flowers rather than Zay Flowers. :biggrin:
J/K

Honestly, though, I don't think I would have given up Flowers for Tuten and a fourth, but every league and every roster is different.

Perhaps I am either too high on Flowers or too low on Tuten.

I also lean Flowers. However, I'm holding 2.03, loved Flowers coming out and still haven't offered the pick up to the Flowers owner yet, so I guess it can't be too far off in a good year to pick up an early 4th.

If I was smarter I'd probably only use my draft capital to buy up recent prospects that haven't fully broken out. I'm as guilty of falling for the shiny, new mystery box as anyone.
This is my first year in a short bench ( 20-ffpc) dynasty league . My first dynasty league has 25 with 3 IR so you can afford to stash 2-4 guys and just wait and see if they turn in to anything. In a FFPC league I just drafted, I have to decide which 2 of these 4 to cut already - Trey Benson,Bo Nix,Cedric Tillman or Dontaviyon Wicks.
You got a long time to decide and work out trades but if Benson's value is on par with a mid second. Those WR's are way off.
 
Moved Flowers for 2.03 OTC (and 4.03) and took Tuten there. Wheels up.
:ponder: I hope that was Gennifer Flowers rather than Zay Flowers. :biggrin:
J/K

Honestly, though, I don't think I would have given up Flowers for Tuten and a fourth, but every league and every roster is different.

Perhaps I am either too high on Flowers or too low on Tuten.
No no I think most folks would agree with you. I know I'm going against consensus here. I'm not into Flowers floor and I am at least mildly bullish on Tuten especially in PPR like this one. But I know the on-paper value lies on the Flowers side and am willing to take that hit because I think this is what's best for my team.

If I was in the other spot I probably slam accept.

Gennifer Flowers is more expensive than Zay.
 
Moved Flowers for 2.03 OTC (and 4.03) and took Tuten there. Wheels up.
:ponder: I hope that was Gennifer Flowers rather than Zay Flowers. :biggrin:
J/K

Honestly, though, I don't think I would have given up Flowers for Tuten and a fourth, but every league and every roster is different.

Perhaps I am either too high on Flowers or too low on Tuten.

I also lean Flowers. However, I'm holding 2.03, loved Flowers coming out and still haven't offered the pick up to the Flowers owner yet, so I guess it can't be too far off in a good year to pick up an early 4th.

If I was smarter I'd probably only use my draft capital to buy up recent prospects that haven't fully broken out. I'm as guilty of falling for the shiny, new mystery box as anyone.
This is my first year in a short bench ( 20-ffpc) dynasty league . My first dynasty league has 25 with 3 IR so you can afford to stash 2-4 guys and just wait and see if they turn in to anything. In a FFPC league I just drafted, I have to decide which 2 of these 4 to cut already - Trey Benson,Bo Nix,Cedric Tillman or Dontaviyon Wicks.
You got a long time to decide and work out trades but if Benson's value is on par with a mid second. Those WR's are way off.
Yeah, Tillman and Wicks are definitely the 2 being cut if no trades. But Wicks at least showed something last year and may be better than some of the guys I just drafted. It used to be that WR broke out in their third year but can't afford to hold them that long anymore.
 
Moved Flowers for 2.03 OTC (and 4.03) and took Tuten there. Wheels up.
:ponder: I hope that was Gennifer Flowers rather than Zay Flowers. :biggrin:
J/K

Honestly, though, I don't think I would have given up Flowers for Tuten and a fourth, but every league and every roster is different.

Perhaps I am either too high on Flowers or too low on Tuten.

I also lean Flowers. However, I'm holding 2.03, loved Flowers coming out and still haven't offered the pick up to the Flowers owner yet, so I guess it can't be too far off in a good year to pick up an early 4th.

If I was smarter I'd probably only use my draft capital to buy up recent prospects that haven't fully broken out. I'm as guilty of falling for the shiny, new mystery box as anyone.
I have him in the same tier as WR Jaylin Noel, and a full tier behind WRs Higgins, Harris, Williams and Bech. If you believe Tuten is the next great RB prospect, I wouldn't fault you for making an aggressive move to trade to acquire him, but that seems like a very steep price.
I absolutely have him in a tier above those names. And I don't think Tuten is necessarily anything special but 4th round doesn't scare me (as much as it used to) and I think that new regime new head coach new GM there is sometimes a thing with the incumbent backs being part of the old regime and the new coaches wanna use the new toys etc. I really don't believe in ETN (never did) and most think he is on his way out (he might be a screaming deal right now IDK) and I am actually a pretty big believer in Tank Bigsby who I see as the 1A at the moment so I am looking to get a 1B split where Tuten earns the 3rd down/2-minute role and gets backup carries. Tank is the 1a and ETN is change of pace with some designed routes. Tuten has a murky path to take over but it's there and in the early 2nd round you won't find much better for RB upside. And maybe a decent PPR floor.

I would rather have Bech or Harris than Flowers in a vacuum. Based 100% on the Baltimore situation. I actually really love Flowers the player. It is a steep price, I acknowledge I paid a premium here. One other note I have a track record of hitting on 3rd and 4th round FF rookie picks so the 4.03 might actually yield something nice. It doesn't factor here really but worth mentioning I value those kind of picks more than many.

I can also find another Flowers way faster and easier and cheaper than finding another starting RB (if he turns out to be worth starting).
 
Before I post this I already know the consensus. In dynasty, if you were presented with the choice of Tuten vs Skatebo, is it a slam dunk for Skatebo? He has the easier path and even if he didn't, people still love him. I'm not so sure it's a sure fire slam dunk. Do you?
 
Before I post this I already know the consensus. In dynasty, if you were presented with the choice of Tuten vs Skatebo, is it a slam dunk for Skatebo? He has the easier path and even if he didn't, people still love him. I'm not so sure it's a sure fire slam dunk. Do you?
Tuten is appealing. However, the knock on him is ball security (drops/fumbles). Coaches don't have the patience for that. Cam is an every down player. If Tuten can fix his hands, he's the pick due to his speed (assuming he can PB). But knowing what we know now, Cam is the pick for me at the moment...and I'm a Jags fan. :bag:
 
Before I post this I already know the consensus. In dynasty, if you were presented with the choice of Tuten vs Skatebo, is it a slam dunk for Skatebo? He has the easier path and even if he didn't, people still love him. I'm not so sure it's a sure fire slam dunk. Do you?

If I'm gifted one, yes, Skattebo is my pick. Should it be a slam dunk? No. I won't be surprised if we're valuing Tuten ahead of Skattebo into 2026.

I have 1.12 & 2.3 in a 1QB. I'm prepared to select Skattebo 1.12 if the board falls as a worst case scenario. I also have 2.3 and there are 14 guys I really like ahead of Tuten. It shouldn't happen, but if all 14 go in the first 14 picks, I have come back to Tuten as my 2.3 "worst case scenario". Started with Tuten there, tried putting Bech & Kyle Williams in that spot and now I'm back to Tuten.

I think it's easy to group Tuten with a lot of the Day 3 RBs that appear to be buried on their depth chart. However, the writing is on the wall with Etienne in '26. I don't think Bigsby is going to take the #1, nor do I think he sticks long term as a duo in the backfield. I have him and would love to be wrong, but I think he ultimately settles into a clear backup role. Which means that I think Tuten has a legitimate "try-out" to claim the top spot in '26. The cards might be stacked against him somewhat as a 4th rounder, but the Jags are missing a 1st and the '26 RB class appears to be pretty uninspiring.
 
Before I post this I already know the consensus. In dynasty, if you were presented with the choice of Tuten vs Skatebo, is it a slam dunk for Skatebo? He has the easier path and even if he didn't, people still love him. I'm not so sure it's a sure fire slam dunk. Do you?
I don't think it's a slam dunk by any means but have zero issue with the consensus side. I can't believe I'm typing this but I have a lot more faith in what the Jaguars are doing than what the Giants are doing. I play exclusively PPR and that might color the answer, because my understanding is that Skattebo isn't considered a receiving threat whereas that is a known strength for Tuten. And we know things can change fast re:total offense quality but right now I put the combination of BTJ/Hunter/Strange/Tuten pretty far ahead of Nabers and some JAGs. Skattebo is going to be the guy there, but is he going to catch passes and are the Giants going to be punching it in from short distance a lot?

I don't know how to hedge Lawrence vs whatever the Giants are doing at QB. R Wilson can be ok for 2025 and it might even be more likely than not that he performs better than Lawrence. But the Giants future at the position? Meh at best to me. Nabers is the one to own and Tracy for super cheap because he makes plays in the passing game.
 
Before I post this I already know the consensus. In dynasty, if you were presented with the choice of Tuten vs Skatebo, is it a slam dunk for Skatebo? He has the easier path and even if he didn't, people still love him. I'm not so sure it's a sure fire slam dunk. Do you?

I don't think Bigsby is going to take the #1, nor do I think he sticks long term as a duo in the backfield. I have him and would love to be wrong, but I think he ultimately settles into a clear backup role. Which means that I think Tuten has a legitimate "try-out" to claim the top spot in '26. The cards might be stacked against him somewhat as a 4th rounder, but the Jags are missing a 1st and the '26 RB class appears to be pretty uninspiring.
I agree. My take is that Tank starts the year as the 1A and fades as Tuten emerges. Assuming he is up to it.
 
Before I post this I already know the consensus. In dynasty, if you were presented with the choice of Tuten vs Skatebo, is it a slam dunk for Skatebo? He has the easier path and even if he didn't, people still love him. I'm not so sure it's a sure fire slam dunk. Do you?
I don't think it's a slam dunk by any means but have zero issue with the consensus side. I can't believe I'm typing this but I have a lot more faith in what the Jaguars are doing than what the Giants are doing. I play exclusively PPR and that might color the answer, because my understanding is that Skattebo isn't considered a receiving threat whereas that is a known strength for Tuten. And we know things can change fast re:total offense quality but right now I put the combination of BTJ/Hunter/Strange/Tuten pretty far ahead of Nabers and some JAGs. Skattebo is going to be the guy there, but is he going to catch passes and are the Giants going to be punching it in from short distance a lot?

I don't know how to hedge Lawrence vs whatever the Giants are doing at QB. R Wilson can be ok for 2025 and it might even be more likely than not that he performs better than Lawrence. But the Giants future at the position? Meh at best to me. Nabers is the one to own and Tracy for super cheap because he makes plays in the passing game.
Cam Skatebo isn't considered a receiving threat? He had receiving stats of 45/605/3 in 2024 and 69/891/4 for two years.
 
Before I post this I already know the consensus. In dynasty, if you were presented with the choice of Tuten vs Skatebo, is it a slam dunk for Skatebo? He has the easier path and even if he didn't, people still love him. I'm not so sure it's a sure fire slam dunk. Do you?
I don't think it's a slam dunk by any means but have zero issue with the consensus side. I can't believe I'm typing this but I have a lot more faith in what the Jaguars are doing than what the Giants are doing. I play exclusively PPR and that might color the answer, because my understanding is that Skattebo isn't considered a receiving threat whereas that is a known strength for Tuten. And we know things can change fast re:total offense quality but right now I put the combination of BTJ/Hunter/Strange/Tuten pretty far ahead of Nabers and some JAGs. Skattebo is going to be the guy there, but is he going to catch passes and are the Giants going to be punching it in from short distance a lot?

I don't know how to hedge Lawrence vs whatever the Giants are doing at QB. R Wilson can be ok for 2025 and it might even be more likely than not that he performs better than Lawrence. But the Giants future at the position? Meh at best to me. Nabers is the one to own and Tracy for super cheap because he makes plays in the passing game.
Cam Skatebo isn't considered a receiving threat? He had receiving stats of 45/605/3 in 2024 and 69/891/4 for two years.
Maybe I heard that wrong, he was in a no-man's land in my drafts. Never really had a shot at him where he was going but I swear I'd heard something about him not being as good of a receiver. I stand corrected.
 
because my understanding is that Skattebo isn't considered a receiving threat whereas that is a known strength for Tuten.

I have not scouted either of these guys super closely but this statement is a bit shocking to me.

Skattebo was among the leaders in college football last year in receiving by RBs, both in terms of volume and efficiency.

Meanwhile Tuten's receiving efficiency last year was among the worst in college football history. Granted he was better in prior seasons (good in his D2 years, mediocre in his first year at VT), but last year was so bad I had to double check with multiple sources to make sure it wasn't a typo.

Skattebo was 1st in all of college football in YPRR last year. I can't find the exact numbers on Tuten with targets, but just based on what he did with his actual catches he may have been dead last.
 

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