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Godsbrother
Footballguy
What is it with this Tooth guy?
The Jerk
Footballguy
He apparently thinks the officiating was bad.He apparently thinks the officiating was bad.
He apparently thinks the officiating was bad.
He apparently thinks the officiating was bad.
He apparently thinks the officiating was bad.
He apparently thinks the officiating was bad.
Paper Lions
Footballguy
Are they complaining about Ben's clear touchdown still?
Paper Lions
Footballguy
Also:
Evilgrin 72
Distributor of Pain
You really can't see why that would have been called? Haggans beats Locklear cleanly to his right outside shoulder and turns him around. As he gets by him, Locklear goes down and hits him around the knee from about 5:00, knocking him down and impeding his progress towards the QB. You get flags on that kind of play all of the time - if the pass had been incomplete, no one would have said a word about it.
Evilgrin 72
Distributor of Pain
Yep, and he was wrong too. He did get in.I just heard the segment on the Herd from last night's Late Nite show where even Rothlisburger thought he didn't get in.
At least Ben is honest.
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DropKick
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Officials are human and the game moves at an incredible speed. A couple bad calls are almost expected. And, yes, a good team should overcome a bad call or two. But this game was brutally one-sided. That is evident by the amount of people who share this perspective.
Step back and look at the big picture. The officiating through-out the play-offs was sub-par. Denver/New England was highly controversial as was Pittsburgh/Indy.
Had Vanderjerk hit his field goal and Manning wins that game in overtime, I wonder how may Steeler fans would've questioned the officiating? I imagine quite a few (and rightfully so). Or would they say "we deserved to lose... Bettis put the ball on the ground"? You can look at any game and point to well or poorly executed plays as an explanation of the outcome. But when the officials become (overly) involved in game changing situations, it's not hard to note their influence.
Sometimes I get the impression the NFL is always marketing its product. For example, keeping a game close to keep up the TV ratings.
Step back and look at the big picture. The officiating through-out the play-offs was sub-par. Denver/New England was highly controversial as was Pittsburgh/Indy.
Had Vanderjerk hit his field goal and Manning wins that game in overtime, I wonder how may Steeler fans would've questioned the officiating? I imagine quite a few (and rightfully so). Or would they say "we deserved to lose... Bettis put the ball on the ground"? You can look at any game and point to well or poorly executed plays as an explanation of the outcome. But when the officials become (overly) involved in game changing situations, it's not hard to note their influence.
Sometimes I get the impression the NFL is always marketing its product. For example, keeping a game close to keep up the TV ratings.
yahtzee
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I can't wait for the league to come down like a ton of bricks on Holmgren. Frankly this is the type of comment you expect to hear from a player, not a highly respected and long tenured coach in the NFL. I'm more surprised he didn't ##### at his players for not making plays. DJAX catching balls out of bounds, Stevens dropping passes, poor clock management.
Paper Lions
Footballguy
Which calls were lopsided? Thought Ben's run was a touchdown and Djax's call was questionable, but he did push some.
Charlie Steiner
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I only saw the 4th quarter, so it seems I missed most of the controversial stuff, but I think refersing Hasselbeck's fumble kept their hopes alive. Not saying it makes up for what I haven't seen yet, but that's at least one critical call that went his way. 
Agreed, if you can't at least say that it was poorly officiated on both sides of the ball you were not watching the game. I am not a SEA fan or a PIT fan, nor did I have money on the game and I thought that SEA was robbed. The holding call that nullified the Stevens catch at the 3 yard line and then 2 plays later resulted in a PIT int was the worst of them all. This was obviously not a hold and had a large impact on the game.
Paper Lions
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I think that one was questionable. I can still see it getting called either way though - not surprised much by the call.DJAX clearly had the intention of pushing off, however it looked to me like when he tried to he just didn't get much of Hope.Which calls were lopsided? Thought Ben's run was a touchdown and Djax's call was questionable, but he did push some.
Softballguy
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One very simple, critical, call to over-turn.I only saw the 4th quarter, so it seems I missed most of the controversial stuff, but I think refersing Hasselbeck's fumble kept their hopes alive. Not saying it makes up for what I haven't seen yet, but that's at least one critical call that went his way.
yahtzee
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Agreed it was a call that could have gone either way. But that happens in all games with human referees. Officiating was far from perfect in that game and much of this season and playoffs, but teams in the NFL have to be ready to play the game in front of them and deal with calls that don't go their way.I think that one was questionable. I can still see it getting called either way though - not surprised much by the call.DJAX clearly had the intention of pushing off, however it looked to me like when he tried to he just didn't get much of Hope.Which calls were lopsided? Thought Ben's run was a touchdown and Djax's call was questionable, but he did push some.
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Paper Lions
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]So, you DIDN'T watch the game, then?Which calls were lopsided? Thought Ben's run was a touchdown and Djax's call was questionable, but he did push some.
Paper Lions
Footballguy
Agreed it was a call that could have gone either way. But that happens in all games with human referees. Officiating was far from perfect in that game and much of this season and playoffs, but teams in the NFL have to ready to play the game in front of them and deal with calls that don't go their way.I think that one was questionable. I can still see it getting called either way though - not surprised much by the call.DJAX clearly had the intention of pushing off, however it looked to me like when he tried to he just didn't get much of Hope.Which calls were lopsided? Thought Ben's run was a touchdown and Djax's call was questionable, but he did push some.
They should but that's impossible since they aren't robots. So they need to at worst sack it up when it really means points on the board. "I think he scored" or "I think he pushed off" is a terrible way to call a game and that was what I saw watching it. Somethng as lopsided as this game was a bit silly.
Steelers4Life
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If you can watch the slow motion replay of that holding call and NOT see Locklear's handing pulling back on Haggans' shoulder after Haggans had beaten him, I just don't know what to say anymore.
BroadwayG
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Not exactly an officiating question, and it may be anwered already. If so, take pity on me, and repeat the answer here.
But about the Ben R TD. The replay camera seems to be about 2 feet into the end zone from the angle of the goal line in the replay. This doesn't seem like it will give a very accurate perpective in a play as close as this one.
Do the officials or anyone else for that matter have cameras going that are right on the goal line?
But about the Ben R TD. The replay camera seems to be about 2 feet into the end zone from the angle of the goal line in the replay. This doesn't seem like it will give a very accurate perpective in a play as close as this one.
Do the officials or anyone else for that matter have cameras going that are right on the goal line?
roadkill1292
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I believe this is true. It's the neutrals who are raising ten kinds of hell. Which should say something.FWIW, I think the better team won. They made enough big plays to do so. Seattle needed a few breaks to go their way, didn't get 'em and couldn't overcome them when they went the other way. By my count, however, they didn't get their fair share of 'em.
Why does the overwhelming majority of official defense come from Steeler's fans. I have yet to see a post by someone claiming to be unbiased defending the officials. Steeler's won the Superbowl there is no changing that, who cares if the win is a little tarnished. So it was a crappy game and Ben played horrible, the officials made some bad calls, the Seahawks should have been in it in the end, but hey the Bus got his ring.
Reaper
Footballguy
TRUE.It's the rest of us that are DISCUSSING the matter - I've got ZERO investment on who won.... But, watch ESPN, listen to the radio - Every Commentator I've seen/heard is pretty much saying Seattle got the short end of the stick - I believe the ESPN poll is near 70% people saying this Nationwide...
As SPORTS FANS, I think it's the Pittsburgh fans that should "Let it go".
Go off and enjoy the Victory - NOTHING can take it from you. And eventually the discussion will subside.
BUT - As Sports fans recognize what happened and recognize that if the roles were reversed Steeler fans would be out of thier minds right now and you'd have even more of an outcry since there's so many of em.
RESPECT how a Seattle fan must feel after that game where a large majority Agrees the officiating Blew....
Wether these calls were right or wrong isn't even the question anymore - The FACT is, When you lose a game with so many questionable calls, It BLOWS and it's a tough punch in the gut for a fan of that team.. RESPECT that and know you'd feel the SAME EXACT WAY - no matter how much you want to rationalize what the rest of the country is saying about the calls, just recognize the dispute itself blows and if your team lost that way it would hurt.
For the rest of us - We all just want to walk away from a game feeling each team had an equal chance - The majority doesn't believe that.
Kleck.
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Agreed. I'm a homer of neither and am just as happy for Pitt winning as I would have been for Seattle if they had won. I just wanted to see a good game and all I got was crap thrown in my face.It's over. Nothing that can be done now. I just feel like a $5-whore who only got paid a penny. The good news is that the NFL Draft is another day closer and hopefully soon all these sports radio stations STHU about the Super Bowl and start talking NFL Draft. I'm movin' on...
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Steelers4Life
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That's not what I'm doing. Just watch the replay and tell me if you don't see him do it. It was not a well played game, I agree. Not by either team. All I've said is that when an official sees a WR 5 feet away extend his arm against the DB's chest before catching a pass, he's going to flag him. If Jackson doesn't extend his right arm, it's a TD. And when the official sees a takedown where the blitzing LB beats a tackle on the edge and the tackle reaches back to grab the LBs shoulder, plainly visible to everyone, he's going to call it. It's not like he waited to see the result of the play before throwing the flag, and if it's an incomplete pass, not a word is said.
I didn't say they weren't ticky tack, what I said is that the calls can very easily be justified. There are a lot of people with the attitude that they WERE penalties, just minor ones, and they shouldn't have been called. And that's just wrong.
Not a single person complains that Roethlisberger was blatantly blocked in the back on the INT return, which would've had Seattle starting at midfield instead of the 20. Why? Because the Steelers won.
There have been many, many posts by non-Steeler fans saying the same things us Steelers fans. No one said the calls didn't influence the game, because they clearly did. They just didn't cost Seattle the game, and they weren't terrible, terrible calls.
Kirby
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jetpack
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I guarantee you that most Steeler fans very much respect how Seattle feels right now. We went through the same thing during the Colts game The fact remains that much of the National Media and many folks on this board are taking an ill-informed but militant position on the officiating that has done nothing but belittle the Steelers victory (which was poorly executed but well-earned) without as much attempting to understand what actual on-field battles were won and lost. Here's generally how they are doing it:- They equate the Steelers and the Refs as a single team. This does nothing but demean the victory for the steelers even though 100% of the refs calls were out of their control.
- They make armchair value decisions on the quality of the officiating without knowing the rule book. Thank you all for your analysis, but I'll wait till Ed Hockuli comes on the NFL network on Wednesday to analyse why the calls were made they way they were.
- They fail to consider "non-calls" that would have gone the Steeler way in their analysis of how the Hawks got "jobbed". For instance the blatant Stevens fumble.
- They fail to consider the theater aspect of football. EVERY team in EVERY game attempts to "draw" the foul. Just as it's an established part of basketball. QBs and Punters fall over when barely hit attempting to personal fouls. Every DB and WR tries to claim PI. Chris Hope was able to sway the ref to toss that flag because that's what he's trained to do. He SUCCEEDED. It was BRILLIANT. That call was close but being able to get it is part of the strategy of the game. The difference between the Seahawk DBs and the Steeler DBs shows in that one play. I never saw the Hawk DBs or WRs attempting to do this. They should have because there certainly were opportunities, such as the attempted td to DJ Hackett.
In the end, the SPORTSFAN approach to this whole debate is just that - more FAN and less knowledge of SPORTS. I completely understand the frustration behind it, but it doesn't take the place of real and unbiased analysis. Just trying to add a balanced view. I would recommend you stop listening to the hacks at ESPN and elsewhere because they're simply finding something contraversial to fill their airwaves with because otherwise it was a pretty exciting game that at least wasn't as miserable as the early 90s blow-outs of AFC teams.
Evilgrin 72
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Yeah, it us "Stealer" fans that should let it go, right?
Kirby
Footballguy
I'm a Dolphins fan.Yeah, it us "Stealer" fans that should let it go, right?
jurb26
Footballguy
As a Steeler fan, all this outrage would be much easier to understand if the reasons for it was soemthing other than:1. Yeah, Djax pushed off but we have seen plenty of other players get away with much worse. So basically since others did not get caught doing it, these official are simply supposed to ignore the rules to accomodate Djax and make the game more entertaining for the commercialized public by awarding a TD rather than a boring FG.
2. Yeah, it looks as though Ben did cross the plan and there is no way that it should have been overturned upon review, but he hesitated! Yeah, the Ref hesitated and made the right call. Seems most would rather he did not hesitate and made the wrong call rather than thinking about it, making sure it was not a fumble and also trying to determine who recovered that fumble all while pondering a play that came down to 1/4 of and inch and we needed freeze frame video and picturs of to really see. You do realize how fast things move during a real game I hope. Sometimes Refs need time to process information as an overwhelming amount can hit them in a matter of miliseconds. Think about all the things that the Ref had to try and account for on that play. Any normal person can see why this was a tough call and one that may have needed some extra thought by an official. Heck, I and everyone I was wwatching the game with watched SEVERAL slow motion video replays with still frame and we still could not seem to see what the F was going on. Yet all of you expect that an official seeing it at field speed and for the first time of his life is supposed to offer a sure and distinct judgement in the blink of an eye.
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