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I am willing to have the mods delete all of the threads about the bad calls and see who is willing to let it go.
Congratulations. I'm talking to the people saying that the Steeler fans should "let it go" - but I wonder how they'd react if their team had just won the Super Bowl and people were busy posting mocked up photos of their favorite player making out with the referees in an attempt to invalidate their victory.I'm a Dolphins fan.Yeah, it us "Stealer" fans that should let it go, right?
I'll make it easier for you then. The phantom holding call that would have taken them to the one to score. And the BS clipping call on the Hass tackle that gave Pit all those extra yards to make a scoring drive easier. Those are the definitive botched calls. The two you mentioned are just two of the rest of the questionable calls; one among the pack. I agree with the poster before you, nothing can take this away so enjoy it, but the refs made this a totally BS game. You are going to have to deal with that too as everyone else that isn't a Steeler fan feels this way.
Congratulations. I'm talking to the people saying that the Steeler fans should "let it go" - but I wonder how they'd react if their team had just won the Super Bowl and people were busy posting mocked up photos of their favorite player making out with the referees in an attempt to invalidate their victory.I'm a Dolphins fan.Yeah, it us "Stealer" fans that should let it go, right?
Take a shot of reality man, it will be coming the Steelers way for a while. Get pissed at the refs, they are the ones who did this to you, and just ignore people who are mistakenly blaming the Steelers.
Not entirely. In the "How many SB will Pittsburgh win in the next 5 years" poll :
As I'm sure you've read, I have been one of the biggest supporters of the class of the Seahawks and their fans, but first Holmgren pulls a
maneuver and now I'm reading this. The facade is cracking, it seems.
I'm not pissed at anyone. And by the way, the REALITY is that the Steelers are Super Bowl champs. I've done about 20 shots to that fact so far, maybe you should have one too.Congratulations. I'm talking to the people saying that the Steeler fans should "let it go" - but I wonder how they'd react if their team had just won the Super Bowl and people were busy posting mocked up photos of their favorite player making out with the referees in an attempt to invalidate their victory.I'm a Dolphins fan.Yeah, it us "Stealer" fans that should let it go, right?
Are you talking about the soundbite where he shows his ire at being screwed by the refs? I think that is natural when outside forces make the playing field uneven.Not entirely. In the "How many SB will Pittsburgh win in the next 5 years" poll :As I'm sure you've read, I have been one of the biggest supporters of the class of the Seahawks and their fans, but first Holmgren pulls a
Funny, I don't see any * except when you 
post it.
I'm talking about his quote where he says he thought he was going to Detroit to play the Steelers, not the Steelers and the refs.Are you talking about the soundbite where he shows his ire at being screwed by the refs? I think that is natural when outside forces make the playing field uneven.Not entirely. In the "How many SB will Pittsburgh win in the next 5 years" poll :As I'm sure you've read, I have been one of the biggest supporters of the class of the Seahawks and their fans, but first Holmgren pulls a
, Mike.
Man are you on autopilot here! Anyway, I said they are the champs, I said enjoy it, but the meathook reality you are trying to not wake up to is that if you don't bleed black and gold this superbowl was owned by the refs. I am one voice among thousands and thousands who saw what happened and we are going to talk. It seems to me you need to deal with that better, and choose you battles against the tools who blame the Steelers for what happened.I'm not pissed at anyone. And by the way, the REALITY is that the Steelers are Super Bowl champs. I've done about 20 shots to that fact so far, maybe you should have one too.Congratulations. I'm talking to the people saying that the Steeler fans should "let it go" - but I wonder how they'd react if their team had just won the Super Bowl and people were busy posting mocked up photos of their favorite player making out with the referees in an attempt to invalidate their victory.I'm a Dolphins fan.Yeah, it us "Stealer" fans that should let it go, right?
No matter how you paint it, the refs had as much to do with Pitt winning this game as Ward, Parker and Roethlisberger. Pittsburgh had less "big plays" than the refs, as well.
EXACTLY what I am talking about. Instead of addressing the issue, just post a BS flag and claim I'm trying to "paint" things a certain way. I haven't seen one person address any of the calls that didn't go the Steelers way, everyone here just wants to yell about everything that went against Seattle. Your response and your sig tell me everything I need to know. 
However lame it may seem to be crying sour grapes to the media, he is allowed to be pissed, and what he said is essentially correct. If you lost a superbowl like that you might be in a fetal position at the press conference. Cut him some slack.I'm talking about his quote where he says he thought he was going to Detroit to play the Steelers, not the Steelers and the refs.Are you talking about the soundbite where he shows his ire at being screwed by the refs? I think that is natural when outside forces make the playing field uneven.Not entirely. In the "How many SB will Pittsburgh win in the next 5 years" poll :As I'm sure you've read, I have been one of the biggest supporters of the class of the Seahawks and their fans, but first Holmgren pulls a
The holding was questionable, yes. To say that it was a blown call is flat wrong though. I have seen many times calls like that overlooked and calls like that made. It was questionalbe and a judgment. That's what refs do a lot of times though, make judgements. The defensive players shoulder got turned while he was at an even point or better on the Olineman. That is normally a direct sign to an official that he has been held.Whats funny is that the call on Hassy while a bad rule IMO was also called on the Steelers earilier this year on a near identical play. The NFL and it's officials seem to be consistent on this. It is about the safety of the players on the field. On changes of posession and returns where guys are running at full speed with lots of open ground to cover you cannot go low towards a guy who is trying to make a block. #24 was running behind #26 on that play and Hassy dove low through both guys. Do I think he did it on purpose, no. I don't think he was trying to go low on #26, but mearly trying to make the tackle. I agree that this is a bad rule and I too was upset when this call went against the Steelers earlier in the year. That was until I went ahead and tried to better understand the rule. If the refs where only trying to slight the poor Seahawks, explain to me then why a near identical play ealrier in the year invloving a reverse relationship to the Steelers resulted in the same reaction by an official.
Who's battling here? You're the one who posted theMan are you on autopilot here! Anyway, I said they are the champs, I said enjoy it, but the meathook reality you are trying to not wake up to is that if you don't bleed black and gold this superbowl was owned by the refs. I am one voice among thousands and thousands who saw what happened and we are going to talk. It seems to me you need to deal with that better, and choose you battles against the tools who blame the Steelers for what happened.I'm not pissed at anyone. And by the way, the REALITY is that the Steelers are Super Bowl champs. I've done about 20 shots to that fact so far, maybe you should have one too.Congratulations. I'm talking to the people saying that the Steeler fans should "let it go" - but I wonder how they'd react if their team had just won the Super Bowl and people were busy posting mocked up photos of their favorite player making out with the referees in an attempt to invalidate their victory.I'm a Dolphins fan.Yeah, it us "Stealer" fans that should let it go, right?
icon and told me to take a shot of reality.
I don't blame him, but at the same time, it's stillHowever lame it may seem to be crying sour grapes to the media, he is allowed to be pissed, and what he said is essentially correct. If you lost a superbowl like that you might be in a fetal position at the press conference. Cut him some slack.I'm talking about his quote where he says he thought he was going to Detroit to play the Steelers, not the Steelers and the refs.Are you talking about the soundbite where he shows his ire at being screwed by the refs? I think that is natural when outside forces make the playing field uneven.Not entirely. In the "How many SB will Pittsburgh win in the next 5 years" poll :As I'm sure you've read, I have been one of the biggest supporters of the class of the Seahawks and their fans, but first Holmgren pulls a
I should have used the drinking icon as it makes more sense. I was just trying to be clever but you are ready to go right now.Who's battling here? You're the one who posted theMan are you on autopilot here! Anyway, I said they are the champs, I said enjoy it, but the meathook reality you are trying to not wake up to is that if you don't bleed black and gold this superbowl was owned by the refs. I am one voice among thousands and thousands who saw what happened and we are going to talk. It seems to me you need to deal with that better, and choose you battles against the tools who blame the Steelers for what happened.I'm not pissed at anyone. And by the way, the REALITY is that the Steelers are Super Bowl champs. I've done about 20 shots to that fact so far, maybe you should have one too.Congratulations. I'm talking to the people saying that the Steeler fans should "let it go" - but I wonder how they'd react if their team had just won the Super Bowl and people were busy posting mocked up photos of their favorite player making out with the referees in an attempt to invalidate their victory.I'm a Dolphins fan.Yeah, it us "Stealer" fans that should let it go, right?
That is not a judgement call. If a player gets touched on his way down, accidental or not, he is down by contact. Say there is a fumble in the middle of a pile and a player picks it up and is brushed by an opposing player before getting up to return it. He is considered down by contact because he has the ball, he is on the ground and an opposing player is MAKING CONTACT. You usually make good arguments, but this one is way off the mark, man.
As for the Stevens fumble on what was ruled a non-catch, that had a 50/50 shot of going out of bounds before being recovered. I have seen it before where an overanxious player dives for the ball and knocks it down field five yards or out of bounds, so I think it is hard to say Seattle got the benefit of that call.
George: Well, I told it to Susan: before, and she didn't like it.Jerry: Hmm.George: Yeah. Not only that, this is what she said to me, "Can we change the subject?"Jerry: See, now that I don't care for.George: Right. I mean, we're on a subject. Why does it have to be changed?Jerry: It should resolve of its own volition.George: That's exactly what I said, except I used the word "momentum".Jerry: Momentum - same thing.
In the example you cite, though, the player is down at the time the contact is made. That would end the play. Hasselbeck was not down when he was brushed by the defender's hand. He went down a few steps later. In order to be ruled "down by contact", you either have to be contacted while down, or be knocked down as a result of contact. Neither applied here, thus it was a judgment call.That is not a judgement call. If a player gets touched on his way down, accidental or not, he is down by contact. Say there is a fumble in the middle of a pile and a player picks it up and is brushed by an opposing player before getting up to return it. He is considered down by contact because he has the ball, he is on the ground and an opposing player is MAKING CONTACT. You usually make good arguments, but this one is way off the mark, man.
The calls that went against Seattle arguably cost them 11 points. Figure that the hold that prevented Seattle from having 1st and goal at the 2 was no worse than the hold by Pittsburgh's center on Ward's TD minutes later, so in that respect, it was inconsistent officiating. If that was a hold on Seattle, then it was also a hold on Pittsburgh.
The holding call was no good in my opinion, but we can agree to disagree. The call for the low hit was blown. I don't have a replay in front of me but I believe that first contact was against the guy with the ball. I could be wrong, but I don't believe he went through two players exactly to hit number 26. The shoving call, while ticky tacky, was ok. BUT, it is never really called and is questionable under the light of the other so-so calls. There were also a few no-calls on obvious holding and also that delay no-call. It was horrid officiating, absolutely wretched. Nothing to blame on the Steelers though, they just benefitted from a lot of calls that may not have been made by a different, better, officiating crew. Usually crews are more lax during the superbowl so calling things that didn't happen and making other calls that happen rarely (like you said, that low hit call was made like once this season) is strange to say the least.
Thankyou. But I wasn't busy posting mocked up photos of their favorite player making out with the referees in an attempt to invalidate their victory. The refs did that on Sunday. I was just posting a picture to go along with the thread.Congratulations. I'm talking to the people saying that the Steeler fans should "let it go" - but I wonder how they'd react if their team had just won the Super Bowl and people were busy posting mocked up photos of their favorite player making out with the referees in an attempt to invalidate their victory.I'm a Dolphins fan.Yeah, it us "Stealer" fans that should let it go, right?
Hasselbeck was on the way down. Whether or not the defender's contact caused him to go down is irrelevant. It is down by contact, not down by forceful contact.
Think of it this way. If a ball carrier trips and falls and is then touched down by contact, he doesn't get a chance to get back up and advance the ball because the defender touching him didn't cause the contact. It is the same thing. Whether the ball carrier is touched when down or on the way down does not matter. He is still down by contact either way.
Come on man, you can't have your cake and eat it too. You won the game, this particular argument is sour grapes because of everyone else's sour grapes.
I understand, and I thought it was the right call at the time as well. All I am pointing out is that the referee could easily have ruled that he was not down as a result of contact, and as such, uphold the call on the field and not be wrong as per the rulebook. Thus, it seems unlikely to me that there was some huge conspiracy to get the Steelers a trophy, as some are insinuating. I also haven't seen a soul address either of the other two calls I mentioned, which cost the Steelers as well.Hasselbeck was on the way down. Whether or not the defender's contact caused him to go down is irrelevant. It is down by contact, not down by forceful contact.
Sure, but as we both know, there's probably a hold to be called on every play. The center isn't going to get caught as often. On the play that nullified the completion to the 2, Locklear got turned around as Haggans went around him, and hit him at the knees as Haggans was already by, knocking him to the ground. Was it a HOLD, by letter of the law? Probably not. Did he impede Haggans' progress to the QB once Haggans was already by him? Definitely. Thus, I see why it could have been called, and can't be too horrified by it. I've certainly seen FAR worse. Same with the D-JAX OPI penalty. Was it ticky-tack? Maybe. Was it a clear-cut case of Jackson extending his arm and gaining leverage by pushing off the defender? Yes. When you do that 2 feet in front of the ref, you're going to get called on it. Seriously, though - the Steven's fumble (and it was a fumble) was a judgment call that went against the Steelers and the block in the back on Roethlisberger was an egregious no-call. Thic cost the Steelers a turnover and at least 30 yards on the INT return, which directly led to Seattle's only TD. Why are these being conveniently glossed over?
So true.
I don't think there was any conspiracy to give the Steelers the win, but you have to admit that when there are so many questionable calls and when they all go in one team's favor, it doesn't look good. Stevens' fumble theoretically screwed both teams equally. It was blown dead as an incompletion, so neither team was given a chance to recover the fumble (it had a 50/50 shot of going out of bounds or being recovered by the Steelers). Seattle screwed themselves by not challenging it, as it very well could have been overturned and since it was blown dead, it would have been their ball where Stevens coughed it up.
Watch that play again. Farrior is closing in on the ball and easily could have recovered it, the ref blew the play dead, he stopped, and the ball slowly trickled out of bounds. had the play not been incorrectly blown dead, Farrior would have recovered that ball, and there was no one around from Seattle to prevent it.The block in the back on Roethlisberger is a blatant no-call. He's running down the sideline trying to get an angle on the guy and gets blasted squarely in the back. Even my mother jumped up and yelled about that, and she is a Giants fan. No flag.
So, you are saying is a center is allowed to get away with holding more than a tackle is? And many have said Haggans jumped offsides, which is why Locklear had to allegedly hold him.
Maybe so, but my biggest problem with that call was that the ref didn't throw a flag until after he saw Jackson catch the touchdown and after the defender started complaining.
Pittsburgh never recovered Stevens' (non-) fumble.
I never said a center is allowed to hold more, he just gets caught less because it gets swallowed up in the play. Centers and guards never get called for holding as much as tackles, because tackles are on the outside of the play and trying to contain speed rushers.Maybe the ref hesitated on the DJax call, but perhaps he just wanted to get it right. He actually didn't hesitate in going for the flag - he never signaled touchdown and was going for the flag as soon as Jackson caught the ball. In any event, if it was the right call, who cares if he hesitated?
But he might not have. Like I said before, I have seen players muff fumbles all of the time. Who is to say he wouldn't have dove for it and accidently knocked it out of bounds. I have seen that happened many times. Besides, didn't Seattle eventually punt as a result of that dropped pass anyway, so overall, that non-call had little impact on the game since the Steelers would have recovered the ball right around where they ended up with it after the punt?
Again, I did not notice that, but I swear, that happens on every return, whether it be a kickoff, punt or interception return. I still remember KC beating Denver a few years ago on a punt return by Hall where several Broncos were blocked in the back when they had him cornered inside his own 10. That still irks me.
Maybe he knocks it out of bounds, but we were never given a chance to find out. That is certainly more of a judgment call than the Jackson non-TD I am STILL seeing people gripe about, even though it was clearly out of bounds.And maybe blocks in the back happen on every return, but they're still penalties. What is bewildering me is that people seem to be conceding that half of these "awful" calls, were in fact penalties, but "shouldn't have been called." (Not saying this is YOUR contention, but it is the contention of some others.)
That call on Jackson was an easy one. He never came close to getting both feet down in bounds.
My argument would be that the tick-tacky stuff was called on Seattle, but not Pittsburgh:-Jackson being called for OPI on a touchdown, but Ward wasn't on the long pass to the 2 when his hand check was just as blatant.
I completely agree with this. I noticed the same thing - they would have recovered the ball deep in their own territory anyway; it wouldn't have affected the game at all. The calls that hurt the Seahawks DID directly influence the game much much more. People shouldn't be comparing the "calls that hurt the Steelers" with them.
Yeah, and MAYBE Alexander fumbles at the 1 after the holding call on Locklear, and the Seahawks come away with nothing. Don't say it can't happen - I saw it happen two weeks ago to a guy who fumbles less than Alexander.That's just it - the people killing the officials are so quick to assume that this play or that play cost the Seahawks all these points, but any call that went against the Steelers "didn't directly affect the game." How do you know that Seattle even scores the one TD they had if the call an illegal block in the back on that INT return. If they do, it's 15 yards from the spot of the foul, which sets Seattle up at around their own 25 or 30, rather than the Pittsburgh 20. How does this not affect the outcome of the game?
