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Aaron Neville singing the national anthem was a REALLY bad call.
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Evilgrin 72
Distributor of Pain
Yes. Yes, it was.
I think it's a HUGE mistake for any admitted Steeler or Seahawk fan to be trying to dissect these "questionable calls". They're all subjective in nature and we are admittedly not subjective on the subject. I couldn't possibly expect anybody to take what I say about them seriously and (not a cut to Steeler fans) I can't help but ignore any "detailed analysis" on the plays by Steeler fans. We're too close and we should all recuse ourselves.
I find it absolutely SHOCKING that roughly 60% of the viewing public believes that poor officiating played a role in the game (the espn poll is mirroring the poll here). By the time I went to bed last night I had convinced myself that the "bad officiating" was all in my head...concieved to protect my fragile Seahawk fan ego. Then I wake up to find that 60% of the country saw it the same way. I don't know if that's supposed to make me feel better or worse....
I feel 25%
frustrated
25%
embarrassed
25% :X sickened
and 25%
like I just want to punch something....
I find it absolutely SHOCKING that roughly 60% of the viewing public believes that poor officiating played a role in the game (the espn poll is mirroring the poll here). By the time I went to bed last night I had convinced myself that the "bad officiating" was all in my head...concieved to protect my fragile Seahawk fan ego. Then I wake up to find that 60% of the country saw it the same way. I don't know if that's supposed to make me feel better or worse....
I feel 25%
frustrated25%
embarrassed25% :X sickened
and 25%
like I just want to punch something....
BlueOnion
Footballguy
NFL calls are subjective and it the perception is unfortunate. But when a team makes as many plays as Seattle did to win the game and the refs basically make them go above and beyond.It is unfortunate, but it is still part of the game.I find it absolutely SHOCKING that roughly 60% of the viewing public believes that poor officiating played a role in the game (the espn poll is mirroring the poll here). By the time I went to bed last night I had convinced myself that the "bad officiating" was all in my head...concieved to protect my fragile Seahawk fan ego. Then I wake up to find that 60% of the country saw it the same way. I don't know if that's supposed to make me feel better or worse....
I feel 25%
25%
25% :X sickened
and 25%
or :(
Evilgrin 72
Distributor of Pain
Teams have made it as wildcards, but no one has ever beaten the 1, 2, and 3 seeds from their own conference (the better conference, I might add) and then the #1 seed from the opposing conference before. You can have no tougher path, in terms of the seeds.
bigfishboy
Footballguy
I find it funny that Steelers fans are on here arguing this. If it wasn't horrible lobsided officiating, it wouldn't matter to you and you would sit back and laugh at Seahawks fans for making a mountian out of a mole hill.
The fact that you have to be on here fervently denying it strengthens my belief the Seahawks got screwed.
The fact that you have to be on here fervently denying it strengthens my belief the Seahawks got screwed.
seeds?85 Pats did IMO
http://www.profootballreference.com/years/1985.htm
8-8 Cleveland Browns...what seed would you give them? cmon, OK I guess not but (for this arg)it's not fair that some 8-8 team is 1,2 or 3 seed.
Ravens beat 12-4 Giants, 12-4 Raiders, 13-3 Titans, and 11-5 Broncos.
Record wise that was pretty close to the Steelers opponents
fred_1_15301
Footballguy
Human nature. When someone tries to diminish the accomplishments of your favorite team, you will naturally try to defend them. You would do the exact same thing if you were a steeler fan.
They would have been flagged, if there was holding on the Parker run, or if Ward put gave a stiff arm to create seperation. Seven penalties. That's all. Hass dropped back 42 other times, adn Alexander 20 runs. Seattle didn't get it done, and being called for penalties isn't why. It's not coincidence that Pitt's D held them to 10. They held down Cinci, Indi and Denver down, in their houses. why did he hold? Because he was beat. If he doesn't hold, does the pass get off? Irrelevent, but if the penalty doesn't occur the outcome is as different as the penalty being called.
Djax comes from the right side of the field, into Hope, Hope doesn't chase him down. So, call Hope there too, I don't care. Offsetting, and we replay the down.
doughboydeluxe
Footballguy
I hope the controversy surround the officiating will not cast a shadow over the joy Steeler fans and players should be feeling on this day after. It's a shame that the officiating was so visable and that it is such a topic of conversation when the conversation after any Super Bowl should be on the great play made by Player X or the game plan Coach Y used. But because the officiating was so questionable, it has inspired this thread (14 pages at this point, compared to 18 pages for the actual game thread), countless articles and opinions from the media, and a feeling that the average fan did not see the seamless game they were hoping to see in the NFL's penultimate game of the season.
This last item mentioned was not only due to the questionable officiating, but by both teams not playing up to the level that they would have liked to play in the Super Bowl. I am sure the Steelers, the Seahawks, and the officials all would have liked to have had better performances yesterday, but in the end the Steelers did make the plays they needed to make, while the Seahawks did not.
This last item mentioned was not only due to the questionable officiating, but by both teams not playing up to the level that they would have liked to play in the Super Bowl. I am sure the Steelers, the Seahawks, and the officials all would have liked to have had better performances yesterday, but in the end the Steelers did make the plays they needed to make, while the Seahawks did not.
Ronnie Mack
Footballguy
*ASTERISK
Can you figure it out now?
My point again if you read my original statement correctly- Is the refs were very BAD THIS ENTIRE SEASON! and it just carried over to the largest game of the year(regardless of the outcome!)- arent you supposed to have the most talented refs outs there for the super bowl? Hello. I know the NFL being this high flying organization will make big time changes in the future- they have to.
By the way I live in Southern Cal(neutral)- and went to the gym, store, and work and all the buzz has been directed torward the refs- so dont tell there wasnt an impact.
Can you figure it out now?
My point again if you read my original statement correctly- Is the refs were very BAD THIS ENTIRE SEASON! and it just carried over to the largest game of the year(regardless of the outcome!)- arent you supposed to have the most talented refs outs there for the super bowl? Hello. I know the NFL being this high flying organization will make big time changes in the future- they have to.
By the way I live in Southern Cal(neutral)- and went to the gym, store, and work and all the buzz has been directed torward the refs- so dont tell there wasnt an impact.
urbanhack
Fight The Power!
Until Jackson puts the stiff arm to his chest to gain seperation, with the ball in the air. That's when it became OPI.Yes, Jackson touched the defender, but why is no one mentioning that the defender also touched him with his hands?? It was the very definition of incidental contact.I've seen the replay numerous times. It didn't look like a pushoff to me. I think Jackson has a legitimate gripe. Unbelievably weak call IMO.Man, you have got to be kidding me.I had to laugh at that. Reality down? (OK, I did it - sue me, I'm giddy over here, and probably still a little drunk)
Tell Jackson to take a look at the replay and then address that again.
at "stiff arm to the chest"We must have been watching different games.
Steelers4Life
Footballguy
Actually, I'd suggest you watch the play again. That's exactly what it was, and his arm was fully extendedd - that's what drew the flag no matter how much of advantage the push off got him.Until Jackson puts the stiff arm to his chest to gain seperation, with the ball in the air. That's when it became OPI.Yes, Jackson touched the defender, but why is no one mentioning that the defender also touched him with his hands?? It was the very definition of incidental contact.I've seen the replay numerous times. It didn't look like a pushoff to me. I think Jackson has a legitimate gripe. Unbelievably weak call IMO.Man, you have got to be kidding me.
Tell Jackson to take a look at the replay and then address that again.
Evilgrin 72
Distributor of Pain
What are you talking about in the bolded part? I'm not sure I follow. Point is, playing the top 3 seeds in your own conference and the top seed in the other is the hardest road you can travel. Steelers beat 4 teams with an aggregate record of 51-13 for the regular season. I don't know of anyone who has beaten 4 playoff opponents with a better cumulative record, but that doesn't mean it hasn't happened. I was simply talking about the seeding : beating two 1 seeds, a 2, and a 3 cannot be topped, omly tied.
Evilgrin 72
Distributor of Pain
Thanks, but I had already figured it out.
I have already stated in one of the other 45,224 threads on this subject that the refereeing was shoddy in spots last night. The point is, we didn't really need another "refs decided the game" thread. They didn't. They impacted the game (as happens in a LOT of NFL games) but the Seahawks had plenty of chances to make plays to win the game and didn't do it.
Reaper
Footballguy
My position was that Calls COULD be called on EVERY play....And that it Sucks that the majority of Unbiased Football fans with no connections to either team have to walk away from a Super Bowl feeling like 1 team was treated Worse than the other...
If there were some equally horrible calls that went the other way, at least we could say they evened out somehow... Even though we would still be faced with the question of bad officiating in the NFL....
Hey, I had problems with the Indy game as well, I have no connection to any of these teams, I just like to see evenly called games and mostly good calls.
Most people don't think the calls were even.
That's all.
No, I watched the play. Apparantly you didn't, because that's what happens.Until Jackson puts the stiff arm to his chest to gain seperation, with the ball in the air. That's when it became OPI.Yes, Jackson touched the defender, but why is no one mentioning that the defender also touched him with his hands?? It was the very definition of incidental contact.I've seen the replay numerous times. It didn't look like a pushoff to me. I think Jackson has a legitimate gripe. Unbelievably weak call IMO.Man, you have got to be kidding me.
Tell Jackson to take a look at the replay and then address that again.
If you don't see calls every game that COULD go either way, but are called only one, you haven't watched much football. There simply weren't a lot of calls, either way. The game was decided by defense. Nigher Offense really moved the ball well. Seattle did on their side of the field, but couldn't move it well on Pittsburghs side. Pittsburgh really had the 3 big plays as difference makers, where the Seattle defense was beaten.
Trying to blame the calls diminishes the game. Pittsburgh played better than Seattle, especially in the second half, and moreso even in the 4th. Take away Bens bad pick late, and the game is as much as an 18 point win. It is what it is. You can't change the game by saying one play going one way would change the outcome. The whole game would be different from that point on.
Miscellaneous
Footballguy
I'm sorry, but didn't any of you Seahawks fans see how brutal a game you played last night? Tell me one thing Seattle did to earn the win last night. The entire team just stunk. Give me a break here - if anybody on the Seahawks had stepped up and made a play, maybe you guys could have won it. But y'all just looked bad.
This is probably bias, but I really believe that the Seahawks played the better game last night. I'm not taking anything away from the Steelers, and I am not blaming the refs, because they won the game fair and square. Not finishing drives, especially in the first half, cost the Seahawks dearly. Missing field goals after self-destructing in Pitt territiory was the greatest factor in the outcome. I'm not taking anything away from the Steelers talented defense, but we had the game in our hands and blew it.
No need to take shots at me because this is simply "my opinion" the day after a difficult night.
Now, can we get back to Fantasy Football.
No need to take shots at me because this is simply "my opinion" the day after a difficult night.
Now, can we get back to Fantasy Football.
fridayfrenzy
Footballguy
Exaplin to me how they looked any worse than Pitt?Seahawks beat the Steelers in TOs, yards, and time of possession. HOw can you say they looked that terrible, when they beat their opposition in those major categories.
jurb26
Footballguy
Sea only played better between the 25's. Pitt was far better on 3rd downs 5-17 for Sea vs. 8-15 for Pitt. Not only that, but big plays will kill any team. Especially when the Ds are playing very well and they are few and far between. Pitt made big plays, Sea did not.Seattle had a better turnover margin, TOP, total yards, better QB play...
How exactly did Pittsburgh play better than Seattle?
Footballhead
WWPRD?
This is how I feel everytime the Chiefs plays the broncos
f360spyder
Footballguy
Seattle outplayed Pittsburgh, no doubt. But after that ARE to Ward pass where every dback bit ( 
every team falls for it) you could tell Seattle's motivation to win was crushed, which is why Pit won.Because Pittsburgh had more points maybe? Maybe it was the better (edit) 3rd down conversion margin? Maybe it was that they didn't miss two FG's, or blow the clock management in both halves, or maybe it was that they didn't punt 5 times into the endzone, preventing themselves from pinning the Steelers deep? I've readilly acknowledged that on their side of the field Seattle moved the ball well, but once they hit mid field they fell apart, time and again. Whether it was a holding penalty, or a dropped ball, or a missed block, or a OFI call, they repeatedly failed to convert their ball fair ball movement into points. Pittsburgh had the play where Ben stayed behind the line, and completed the ball. Sort of a hail mary, but he got the ball downfield. The Randel El pass, and the 76 yard TD also come to mind. Well run, well timed, well executed plays. Seattle didn't have them. That's how they outplayed them.
How exactly did Pittsburgh play better than Seattle?
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doughboydeluxe
Footballguy
Why does everyone insist on bad-mouthing the Seahawk fans for whining and what-not, when most if not all of the Seahawk fans on this board have been very gracious in defeat? If you want to call Steeler-haters whiners or worse that's fine by me, but if the Seahawk fans on this board are representative of most Seahawk fans, then I say 
to them.
to them.They did not have the worst special teams performance in the past ten years of Super Bowls. That more than compensates for Seattle's slight edge in the other stats.
How exactly did Pittsburgh play better than Seattle?
Miscellaneous
Footballguy
I don't have to explain that to you - because that's not what I said. I said the Seahawks played a brutal game. The end. That's it. 'The other team played worse' is not an argument - if the Seahawks were champions, they would have played good and taken that f'n game. But they didn't. They played an awful game. You don't deserve to win if you play awful - you have only yourself to blame.The Steelers may have gotten a gift, but the Seahawks didn't get anything they deserved taken away from them.
ETA: Let me just put it this way: in my opinion, the games that the '05 Eagles, the '04 Panthers, the '03 Raiders, the '02 Rams, and the '00 Titans played in their Super Bowls would have gotten them the win yesterday. The Seahawks didn't do enough in my mind to warrant any whining on your part.
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