*** Complain about the officials thread *** (1 Viewer)

[Evilgrin 72]

I'm going to watch the parade on TV - you can sit there and stew over the "phantom" calls.  We're the Champs whether you like it or not.... 

Heh...I won't be stewing at all. Heck, I was rooting for Pittsburgh and wanted to see them win, but it just sucks to see them win in such a controversial way. Like it or not, this win is tainted in the eyes of millions of football fans. And the worst part of it is that it is not the Steelers fault. It isn't their fault the officials sucked.

Not you - that was a direct response to Yellowdog.I don't think the win was controversial at all - Cris Carter is on right now on the Red Zone on Sirius and agreed with the OPI call for one (he's a former WR, as I'm suure I need to tell no one) and basically said any talk of the officials "deciding" the game is ridiculous. He agreed with almost every "cotroversial" call, in fact. This is a guy who, IIRC, picked Seattle to win and was on the Seattle sideline during the game, so he has no axe to grind either.

 

[Evilgrin 72]

Okay, I just flipped on my copy of the game and THERE WAS NO BLOCK IN THE BACK ON ROETHLISBERGER on that INT return. That guy hit him from the side. The Seattle player had caught up to Roethlisberger and while his right hand was on back, the brunt of the push that knocked him down was from his left hand which was on the side of Roethlisberger's body, which was already turned sideways to the left as he looked for the ball carrier.

He had a hand in his back, but the "brunt" of the push came from elsewhere? Seems to me that would be a judgment call not much different than the holding call on Locklear, only this went in Seattle's favor.

 

[Sonny Lubick Blowup Doll]

It seems like Steeler fans think that if they argue about it long enough, they're going to change the minds of those that think Seattle got screwed. 

It's kind of like the argument about whether or not USC should've been able claim a share of the title a couple of years ago.  Neither side will ever be able to convince the other.  Arguing about it is a somewhat fruitless exercise.

and trying to give the referees a little bit of credit. They weren't as bad or as one-sided as people are making it sound.

 

[BlueOnion]

He had a hand in his back, but the "brunt" of the push came from elsewhere? Seems to me that would be a judgment call not much different than the holding call on Locklear, only this went in Seattle's favor.

Is it more likely the referee's made a judgement call in favor of Seattle or that the refs simply did not see the block?

 

[The Jerk]

I'm no Keith Olbermann fan, but I thought he had an interesting observation just now on the Dan Patrick Show. More to the point, I agreed with him. He said something to the effect that the game's been over since Sunday night, but the officiating keeps getting worse and worse with every hour that goes by.

The media is running with the story, and why not? It's a sexy story, it allows them to appear to be at odds with the NFL establishment, and best of all, it's bringing them ratings because people are passionate about it. Besides, no one roots for the refs. They're an easy target.

 

[bryhamm]

I notice many of the Steeler fans are discounting much of this as "haters" or sour grapes by the losers and other similar things. Forget trying to dissect each individual play for a moment and step back and actually look at the results of some of the polls being run in referance to the game.

I think the poll here about who would win the game was about 60/40 for the Steelers yet the poll above asking if the Refs cost Seattle the game is breaking the opposite way.

ESPN has an interesting poll up that allows you vote on each individual play. Nearly 70% claim bad officiating in general, 60% think the pass interference was bad, only about 50% disagree with the Roeth rushing TD.

The Pittsburgh Post Gazette, in the heart of Steeler country, has a poll asking if the game was fairly officiated and 51% say no. That's 51% of respondents to a poll on the Pittsburgh newspaper on the Steeler's Page.

Turn off the "Red Alert Full Defensive Alert Mode" for a minute and realize it's not Steeler haters or Seahawk fans that are fomenting this "controversy", it's the majority of football fans in general. Is it possible....just possible....that as Steeler fans your opinions on these questions might be a bit clouded? That perhaps Seehawk fans and Steeler fans aren't exactly the best people to be dissecting this?

I think what you have found is what EG and a bunch of us Steeler fans have been saying:1) Yes, there were bad calls in the SB and yes more of those bad calls favored the Steelers

but

2) THE REFS DID NOT COST THE SEAHAWKS THE GAME!!!! The calls were a part of it, but a much smaller part than the Seahawks own inability to manage the clock, not run Alexander as much, etc.

 

[jurb26]

He had a hand in his back, but the "brunt" of the push came from elsewhere? Seems to me that would be a judgment call not much different than the holding call on Locklear, only this went in Seattle's favor.

Is it more likely the referee's made a judgement call in favor of Seattle or that the refs simply did not see the block?

I would guess they did not see it given the way the rest of the game was called. You can't expect them to catch everything. There was a sure block in the back on one of Warricks returns that I thought should/would have been called if it was seen. I don't think the ref was in position to see it though. They can't have thier eyes everywhere.

 

[Evilgrin 72]

I'd like to see someone yelling about the refs address any of these points :

1) On the 2nd interception Roethlisberger threw, he was pushed squarely in the back during the INT return and knocked on his face, allowing the play to continue another 30-40 yards.  No flag there.  Why?

I agree. Block in the back. Should have enforced a penalty from the spot of the foul.

2) On the Jerramy Stevens "incompletion" - he catches the ball, establishes possession by getting both feet down, and has completed his "football move" before he is hit and loses possession.  It is blown dead before the Steelers can recover the fumble, although relays showed it could EASILY have been ruled a fumble.  This is a judgment call that went Seattle's way, why is this not mentioned?

Because it would have had no impact on the game. Seattle punted on the next play. The result of the fumble or the punt would have been the same. If anything, it would have been one less play that was run adding some more time to the clock.

3) On Hasselbeck's fumble, he was touched on his thigh on the way down.  As such, he was ruled "down by contact" and the fumble was overturned, maintaining possession for Seattle.  However, the rulebook describes "down by contact" as : "when a player with possession of the ball is made to touch the ground (other than hands or feet) by a defensive player."  There is no way that Hasselbeck went down as a result of that contact, he was already in the process of going down, when the hand brushed his leg.  Thus, it was at the referee's discretion as to whether or not to overturn that.  He could have ruled that Hasselbeck went down on his own, and ruled the play a fumble and still been in total compliance with the rules.  It was a judgment call that went Seattle's way.

You're grasping at straws now. This one is futile. He was touched on the way down. No argument to be made here.You have no reason to do this. Game over. Your team made plays and won. Seattle had chances and didn't win. You don't have to defend your title. Trying to do so and rationalize it will only feed the trolls and/or people that just want to argue.

I agree with you on all counts. I said recently that the play #3 was the right call - I was merely illustrating that not every call went against Seattle. That was ruled a fumble on the field, but they overturned it. Certainly no conspiracy there. The first call was blown, and the second one may not have resulted in anything other than what went down (though it may have - you never know for sure)Just illustrating to those who continue to insist that the officiating was all one-sided, that this was not entirely true.

 

[jurb26]

I'm no Keith Olbermann fan, but I thought he had an interesting observation just now on the Dan Patrick Show. More to the point, I agreed with him. He said something to the effect that the game's been over since Sunday night, but the officiating keeps getting worse and worse with every hour that goes by.

The media is running with the story, and why not? It's a sexy story, it allows them to appear to be at odds with the NFL establishment, and best of all, it's bringing them ratings because people are passionate about it. Besides, no one roots for the refs. They're an easy target.

Bingo, we now have a public agenda with is great for ratings.

 

[Evilgrin 72]

He had a hand in his back, but the "brunt" of the push came from elsewhere?  Seems to me that would be a judgment call not much different than the holding call on Locklear, only this went in Seattle's favor.

Is it more likely the referee's made a judgement call in favor of Seattle or that the refs simply did not see the block?

What's the difference?

 

[Evilgrin 72]

I'm no Keith Olbermann fan, but I thought he had an interesting observation just now on the Dan Patrick Show. More to the point, I agreed with him. He said something to the effect that the game's been over since Sunday night, but the officiating keeps getting worse and worse with every hour that goes by.

The media is running with the story, and why not? It's a sexy story, it allows them to appear to be at odds with the NFL establishment, and best of all, it's bringing them ratings because people are passionate about it. Besides, no one roots for the refs. They're an easy target.

Bingo, we now have a public agenda with is great for ratings.

Olbermann is dead-on here, IMO. I watched the game with a bunch of Seattle fans at a bar and not one of them complained about the officiating during the game.

I'd be willing to bet now that half of them (at least) are complaining to people that they got jobbed.

 

[Evilgrin 72]

I notice many of the Steeler fans are discounting much of this as "haters" or sour grapes by the losers and other similar things.  Forget trying to dissect each individual play for a moment and step back and actually look at the results of some of the polls being run in referance to the game.

I think the poll here about who would win the game was about 60/40 for the Steelers yet the poll above asking if the Refs cost Seattle the game is breaking the opposite way. 

ESPN has an interesting poll up that allows you vote on each individual play.  Nearly 70% claim bad officiating in general, 60% think the pass interference was bad, only about 50% disagree with the Roeth rushing TD.

The Pittsburgh Post Gazette, in the heart of Steeler country, has a poll asking if the game was fairly officiated and 51% say no.  That's 51% of respondents to a poll on the Pittsburgh newspaper on the Steeler's Page.

Turn off the "Red Alert Full Defensive Alert Mode" for a minute and realize it's not Steeler haters or Seahawk fans that are fomenting this "controversy", it's the majority of football fans in general.  Is it possible....just possible....that as Steeler fans your opinions on these questions might be a bit clouded?  That perhaps Seehawk fans and Steeler fans aren't exactly the best people to be dissecting this?

I think what you have found is what EG and a bunch of us Steeler fans have been saying:1) Yes, there were bad calls in the SB and yes more of those bad calls favored the Steelers

but

2) THE REFS DID NOT COST THE SEAHAWKS THE GAME!!!! The calls were a part of it, but a much smaller part than the Seahawks own inability to manage the clock, not run Alexander as much, etc.

Precisely. And many people, Shick! included, have said as much. My posts are not directed towards those folks, but rather those who continue to insist that the refs or the NFL had an agenda.

 

[Sonny Lubick Blowup Doll]

I'm no Keith Olbermann fan, but I thought he had an interesting observation just now on the Dan Patrick Show. More to the point, I agreed with him. He said something to the effect that the game's been over since Sunday night, but the officiating keeps getting worse and worse with every hour that goes by.

The media is running with the story, and why not? It's a sexy story, it allows them to appear to be at odds with the NFL establishment, and best of all, it's bringing them ratings because people are passionate about it. Besides, no one roots for the refs. They're an easy target.

Bingo, we now have a public agenda with is great for ratings.

Olbermann is dead-on here, IMO. I watched the game with a bunch of Seattle fans at a bar and not one of them complained about the officiating during the game.

I'd be willing to bet now that half of them (at least) are complaining to people that they got jobbed.

Dude, you're killing me! No way did "NOT ONE" of them (Seattle fans at a bar) complain about a call in that game. NOT A CHANCE.

Okay, unless they were:

A. Fearful of getting their asses kicked in Pittsburgh

B. They were an AYSO girls soccer team

 

[The Jerk]

I'm no Keith Olbermann fan, but I thought he had an interesting observation just now on the Dan Patrick Show. More to the point, I agreed with him. He said something to the effect that the game's been over since Sunday night, but the officiating keeps getting worse and worse with every hour that goes by.

The media is running with the story, and why not? It's a sexy story, it allows them to appear to be at odds with the NFL establishment, and best of all, it's bringing them ratings because people are passionate about it. Besides, no one roots for the refs. They're an easy target.

Bingo, we now have a public agenda with is great for ratings.

Olbermann is dead-on here, IMO. I watched the game with a bunch of Seattle fans at a bar and not one of them complained about the officiating during the game.

I'd be willing to bet now that half of them (at least) are complaining to people that they got jobbed.

Dude, you're killing me! No way did "NOT ONE" of them (Seattle fans at a bar) complain about a call in that game. NOT A CHANCE.

Okay, unless they were:

A. Fearful of getting their asses kicked in Pittsburgh

B. They were an AYSO girls soccer team

You do realize that Evilgrin does NOT live in Pittsburgh.

 

[ToothLOZ]

I notice many of the Steeler fans are discounting much of this as "haters" or sour grapes by the losers and other similar things. Forget trying to dissect each individual play for a moment and step back and actually look at the results of some of the polls being run in referance to the game.

I think the poll here about who would win the game was about 60/40 for the Steelers yet the poll above asking if the Refs cost Seattle the game is breaking the opposite way.

ESPN has an interesting poll up that allows you vote on each individual play. Nearly 70% claim bad officiating in general, 60% think the pass interference was bad, only about 50% disagree with the Roeth rushing TD.

The Pittsburgh Post Gazette, in the heart of Steeler country, has a poll asking if the game was fairly officiated and 51% say no. That's 51% of respondents to a poll on the Pittsburgh newspaper on the Steeler's Page.

Turn off the "Red Alert Full Defensive Alert Mode" for a minute and realize it's not Steeler haters or Seahawk fans that are fomenting this "controversy", it's the majority of football fans in general. Is it possible....just possible....that as Steeler fans your opinions on these questions might be a bit clouded? That perhaps Seehawk fans and Steeler fans aren't exactly the best people to be dissecting this?

I think what you have found is what EG and a bunch of us Steeler fans have been saying:1) Yes, there were bad calls in the SB and yes more of those bad calls favored the Steelers

but

2) THE REFS DID NOT COST THE SEAHAWKS THE GAME!!!! The calls were a part of it, but a much smaller part than the Seahawks own inability to manage the clock, not run Alexander as much, etc.

Precisely. And many people, Shick! included, have said as much. My posts are not directed towards those folks, but rather those who continue to insist that the refs or the NFL had an agenda.

Perhaps not an agenda, maybe just lack of experience...This link is very disturbing for a Superbowl....

Officials for Superbowl XL

Tooth

 

[Evilgrin 72]

I'm no Keith Olbermann fan, but I thought he had an interesting observation just now on the Dan Patrick Show. More to the point, I agreed with him. He said something to the effect that the game's been over since Sunday night, but the officiating keeps getting worse and worse with every hour that goes by.

The media is running with the story, and why not? It's a sexy story, it allows them to appear to be at odds with the NFL establishment, and best of all, it's bringing them ratings because people are passionate about it. Besides, no one roots for the refs. They're an easy target.

Bingo, we now have a public agenda with is great for ratings.

Olbermann is dead-on here, IMO. I watched the game with a bunch of Seattle fans at a bar and not one of them complained about the officiating during the game.

I'd be willing to bet now that half of them (at least) are complaining to people that they got jobbed.

Dude, you're killing me! No way did "NOT ONE" of them (Seattle fans at a bar) complain about a call in that game. NOT A CHANCE.

Okay, unless they were:

A. Fearful of getting their asses kicked in Pittsburgh

B. They were an AYSO girls soccer team

This was in Orlando, not Pittsburgh, and the male Seattle fans in the area I was sitting (outside pavillion) outnumbered Steeler fans by about 3/2. There was no fear involved.It's amazing that you can be so clairvoyant as to tell me what the reaction of Seahawk fans 3,000 miles away was, but I assure you, I was sitting there, and no one was griping about bad officiating. Maybe they just recognized that despite a couple of calls that did not go their way, they still had plenty of opportunities to win.

 

[The Jerk]

Posted in the Shark Pool -- sure to be merged at some point, but...

LINK

Note the post at 2:30 pm:

I didn't see the goalline contact as a "grab," and I didn't see it cause the receiver to break stride. The receiver looks over his shoulder, then turns to his left to make a cut. He has to STOP to make the turn effectively. I thought the goal line contact was fairly negligible, while the pushoff got the separation that enabled him to catch a touchdown pass a second afterwards. You can't let that go.

Note the post at 2:44 pm:

REPLY: Over and Back...great post!! Thanks. I had seen all he controversial plays except the hold on the Seattle tackle. I agree with JasonTx...the hold was there. And a more mediocre official might not have seen it or realized its impact on the play

 

[Gravity]

So is it:

2006* World Champions

Or

2006 World Champions*

 

[Evilgrin 72]

So is it:

2006* World Champions

Or

2006 World Champions*

Good one ! How do you come up with this stuff?

 

[jsargos]

I notice many of the Steeler fans are discounting much of this as "haters" or sour grapes by the losers and other similar things.  Forget trying to dissect each individual play for a moment and step back and actually look at the results of some of the polls being run in referance to the game.

I think the poll here about who would win the game was about 60/40 for the Steelers yet the poll above asking if the Refs cost Seattle the game is breaking the opposite way. 

ESPN has an interesting poll up that allows you vote on each individual play.  Nearly 70% claim bad officiating in general, 60% think the pass interference was bad, only about 50% disagree with the Roeth rushing TD.

The Pittsburgh Post Gazette, in the heart of Steeler country, has a poll asking if the game was fairly officiated and 51% say no.  That's 51% of respondents to a poll on the Pittsburgh newspaper on the Steeler's Page.

Turn off the "Red Alert Full Defensive Alert Mode" for a minute and realize it's not Steeler haters or Seahawk fans that are fomenting this "controversy", it's the majority of football fans in general.  Is it possible....just possible....that as Steeler fans your opinions on these questions might be a bit clouded?  That perhaps Seehawk fans and Steeler fans aren't exactly the best people to be dissecting this?

I think what you have found is what EG and a bunch of us Steeler fans have been saying:1) Yes, there were bad calls in the SB and yes more of those bad calls favored the Steelers

but

2) THE REFS DID NOT COST THE SEAHAWKS THE GAME!!!! The calls were a part of it, but a much smaller part than the Seahawks own inability to manage the clock, not run Alexander as much, etc.

Precisely. And many people, Shick! included, have said as much. My posts are not directed towards those folks, but rather those who continue to insist that the refs or the NFL had an agenda.

I've posted a few times in here that I thought the officiating played a major part in the game, but I also think the Steelers are victims just as much as the Seahawks. I'm sure the last thing they wanted was to win, and be forced to answer questions about the officials or have people question the legitimacy of their win.I for one would just like to see the NFL admit that they have a problem and take steps to correct it. I don't think there was any agenda, I just think there were an unsually high number of questionable calls that unfortuantely went against one team. The calls (leaving right or wrong out of it) had a tangible effect on the outcome of the game. If the NFL were doing everything they could to ensure the quality of officiating, I could live with it. There will never be a perfect system, but people have been questioning the NFL for years on the policy of having part-time officials. We all know that the season is shorter, but that just makes each game more important.

 

[Seehawk]

I notice many of the Steeler fans are discounting much of this as "haters" or sour grapes by the losers and other similar things.  Forget trying to dissect each individual play for a moment and step back and actually look at the results of some of the polls being run in referance to the game.

I think the poll here about who would win the game was about 60/40 for the Steelers yet the poll above asking if the Refs cost Seattle the game is breaking the opposite way. 

ESPN has an interesting poll up that allows you vote on each individual play.  Nearly 70% claim bad officiating in general, 60% think the pass interference was bad, only about 50% disagree with the Roeth rushing TD.

The Pittsburgh Post Gazette, in the heart of Steeler country, has a poll asking if the game was fairly officiated and 51% say no.  That's 51% of respondents to a poll on the Pittsburgh newspaper on the Steeler's Page.

Turn off the "Red Alert Full Defensive Alert Mode" for a minute and realize it's not Steeler haters or Seahawk fans that are fomenting this "controversy", it's the majority of football fans in general.  Is it possible....just possible....that as Steeler fans your opinions on these questions might be a bit clouded?  That perhaps Seehawk fans and Steeler fans aren't exactly the best people to be dissecting this?

I think what you have found is what EG and a bunch of us Steeler fans have been saying:1) Yes, there were bad calls in the SB and yes more of those bad calls favored the Steelers

but

2) THE REFS DID NOT COST THE SEAHAWKS THE GAME!!!! The calls were a part of it, but a much smaller part than the Seahawks own inability to manage the clock, not run Alexander as much, etc.

No I'm sorry, that's not what I found.I did find your point #1...that the majority of respondents to every, and I mean EVERY poll that I've seen believe that the officiating was bad and/or favored the Steelers.

I have not however found that the refs did not cost the Seahawks the game since neither I nor you can possibly know that. Contrary to your position I've actually found that most people DO think the refs decided the game. ESPN has a 10 question poll on the subject. Question #4 reads:

"Which played the biggest role in determining the outcome of the game?"

The current results:

56.3% Officials missing calls

29.2% Seahawks not making plays

14.5% Steelers making plays

This isn't my opinion, or the opinion of a few "haters". It's over half of the 145,895 people who have voted.

My point is that seeing Steeler fans argue the details of these calls belittles them and their team (IMHO) and loses sight of the bigger picture. The Steeler faithful here need to step back and realize that, for most of the football world, this isn't a question of IF the offciating was bad and played a role in deciding the champion, it's simply a question of how big the role was and what should be done about it. I think most of the sporting world are going to move on to trying to solve these issues while Steeler fans will still be denying to their dying breath that there even are issues lest it otherwise taint a very fine season, and awesome playoff run, and a hard-fought superbowl victory. Nobody is (seriously) suggesting the Steeler's aren't the champs, or that they should give up the title, or any other such nonsense. But it's just as nonsensical (to the majority of football fans who watched the game) for Steeler fans to deny that the zebras played a bigger role then they should have.

Steeler fans are starting to look awful wet standing in the rain and telling us it's sunny out.

BTW here's the link to the ESPN poll if anybody wants to take a look

[edited to add link to poll]

 

[Keys Myaths]

So is it:

2006* World Champions

Or

2006 World Champions*

Good one ! How do you come up with this stuff?

EG, I respect you a lot, so this is why I'm intervening.Get out of here. Your team just won a championship. Go celebrate. The guys that want to argue ad nauseum with you WON'T change their minds, no matter what you say. YOU know that your team won a championship. Reading this drivel will only drag you into a mudfight with no upside.

That goes for a lot of Steeler fans in here. There's no reason to be debating this stuff. Who cares? Whether there were bad calls or not...the game wasn't fixed. So, the score will stand. You won. Go home, and stop sinking to this level.

 

[Sonny Lubick Blowup Doll]

I'm no Keith Olbermann fan, but I thought he had an interesting observation just now on the Dan Patrick Show. More to the point, I agreed with him. He said something to the effect that the game's been over since Sunday night, but the officiating keeps getting worse and worse with every hour that goes by.

The media is running with the story, and why not? It's a sexy story, it allows them to appear to be at odds with the NFL establishment, and best of all, it's bringing them ratings because people are passionate about it. Besides, no one roots for the refs. They're an easy target.

Bingo, we now have a public agenda with is great for ratings.

Olbermann is dead-on here, IMO. I watched the game with a bunch of Seattle fans at a bar and not one of them complained about the officiating during the game.

I'd be willing to bet now that half of them (at least) are complaining to people that they got jobbed.

Dude, you're killing me! No way did "NOT ONE" of them (Seattle fans at a bar) complain about a call in that game. NOT A CHANCE.

Okay, unless they were:

A. Fearful of getting their asses kicked in Pittsburgh

B. They were an AYSO girls soccer team

This was in Orlando, not Pittsburgh, and the male Seattle fans in the area I was sitting (outside pavillion) outnumbered Steeler fans by about 3/2. There was no fear involved.It's amazing that you can be so clairvoyant as to tell me what the reaction of Seahawk fans 3,000 miles away was, but I assure you, I was sitting there, and no one was griping about bad officiating. Maybe they just recognized that despite a couple of calls that did not go their way, they still had plenty of opportunities to win.

Okay, you guys got me, I guess there really wasn't going to be a fight; and there wasn't a real live AYSO girls soccer team at the bar.

 

[The Jerk]

I notice many of the Steeler fans are discounting much of this as "haters" or sour grapes by the losers and other similar things.  Forget trying to dissect each individual play for a moment and step back and actually look at the results of some of the polls being run in referance to the game.

I think the poll here about who would win the game was about 60/40 for the Steelers yet the poll above asking if the Refs cost Seattle the game is breaking the opposite way. 

ESPN has an interesting poll up that allows you vote on each individual play.  Nearly 70% claim bad officiating in general, 60% think the pass interference was bad, only about 50% disagree with the Roeth rushing TD.

The Pittsburgh Post Gazette, in the heart of Steeler country, has a poll asking if the game was fairly officiated and 51% say no.  That's 51% of respondents to a poll on the Pittsburgh newspaper on the Steeler's Page.

Turn off the "Red Alert Full Defensive Alert Mode" for a minute and realize it's not Steeler haters or Seahawk fans that are fomenting this "controversy", it's the majority of football fans in general.  Is it possible....just possible....that as Steeler fans your opinions on these questions might be a bit clouded?  That perhaps Seehawk fans and Steeler fans aren't exactly the best people to be dissecting this?

I think what you have found is what EG and a bunch of us Steeler fans have been saying:1) Yes, there were bad calls in the SB and yes more of those bad calls favored the Steelers

but

2) THE REFS DID NOT COST THE SEAHAWKS THE GAME!!!! The calls were a part of it, but a much smaller part than the Seahawks own inability to manage the clock, not run Alexander as much, etc.

Precisely. And many people, Shick! included, have said as much. My posts are not directed towards those folks, but rather those who continue to insist that the refs or the NFL had an agenda.

I've posted a few times in here that I thought the officiating played a major part in the game, but I also think the Steelers are victims just as much as the Seahawks. I'm sure the last thing they wanted was to win, and be forced to answer questions about the officials or have people question the legitimacy of their win.I for one would just like to see the NFL admit that they have a problem and take steps to correct it. I don't think there was any agenda, I just think there were an unsually high number of questionable calls that unfortuantely went against one team. The calls (leaving right or wrong out of it) had a tangible effect on the outcome of the game. If the NFL were doing everything they could to ensure the quality of officiating, I could live with it. There will never be a perfect system, but people have been questioning the NFL for years on the policy of having part-time officials. We all know that the season is shorter, but that just makes each game more important.

This is all good, but don't think that having full time officials will prevent all bad calls from occurring in the future. The full time baseball, hockey and basketball referees seem to miss quite a few, too.

 

[Evilgrin 72]

I'm no Keith Olbermann fan, but I thought he had an interesting observation just now on the Dan Patrick Show. More to the point, I agreed with him. He said something to the effect that the game's been over since Sunday night, but the officiating keeps getting worse and worse with every hour that goes by.

The media is running with the story, and why not? It's a sexy story, it allows them to appear to be at odds with the NFL establishment, and best of all, it's bringing them ratings because people are passionate about it. Besides, no one roots for the refs. They're an easy target.

Bingo, we now have a public agenda with is great for ratings.

Olbermann is dead-on here, IMO. I watched the game with a bunch of Seattle fans at a bar and not one of them complained about the officiating during the game.

I'd be willing to bet now that half of them (at least) are complaining to people that they got jobbed.

Dude, you're killing me! No way did "NOT ONE" of them (Seattle fans at a bar) complain about a call in that game. NOT A CHANCE.

Okay, unless they were:

A. Fearful of getting their asses kicked in Pittsburgh

B. They were an AYSO girls soccer team

This was in Orlando, not Pittsburgh, and the male Seattle fans in the area I was sitting (outside pavillion) outnumbered Steeler fans by about 3/2. There was no fear involved.It's amazing that you can be so clairvoyant as to tell me what the reaction of Seahawk fans 3,000 miles away was, but I assure you, I was sitting there, and no one was griping about bad officiating. Maybe they just recognized that despite a couple of calls that did not go their way, they still had plenty of opportunities to win.

Okay, you guys got me, I guess there really wasn't going to be a fight; and there wasn't a real live AYSO girls soccer team at the bar.

Did my post suggest somehow that I was taking you literally?Point was, they weren't holding in their displeasure with the officials for any reason - they obviously just didn't feel it was right to complain about it.

 

[pettifogger]

You're just a silly, blind homer if you don't agree that the officials robbed Seattle on several plays that could've kept them in the game.  So stop arguing, just take your cheap ring and be happy.

Settle down there, Francis. Name calling is such a compelling argument.If you bother to wade through some of the postings, you will see that fans of many other teams have agreed with Steeler fans on many of the debated calls. Fans from the Broncos, Colts, Packers and Bears, among others, have weighed in on the "Steeler side" -- even Browns, Raiders and Patriots fans, surprisingly, have weighed in pro-Steeler!

In the many posts, four calls have been most consistently mentioned as questionable or worse:

1. D Jax PI

2. Ben TD

3. Locklear hold

4. Hasselbeck tackle

Thanks to this picture, Bens TD we can see #2 is unquestionably correct.

#4 is likely the proper application of an odd or even outright bad rule, as listed a few posts above. Even if it's not, it is counterbalanced by the missed block in the back on Roethlisberger during the Herndon interception return.

#1 involves a WR using his arms to push and/or hold off a defender to gain an advantage, and it occurs directly in front of and five yards away from an official. But you, of course, think the referee should just ignore what he sees.

So we're left with #3, in which an offensive lineman has his arm hooked on a defender. And again, you will tell all of us that you have never, ever seen that called holding in an NFL game.

You know what, I'll give you #3. So the Steelers won primarily because of a questionable holding call? Nothing to do with Seattle missing 2 FGs, dropping several balls, wasting time at the end of both halves. Nothing to do with the Steelers making 3 big plays on offense to offset their inability to sustain drives.

Whatever.

So you didn't see the Pittsburgh player CLEARLY grab DJax 3 times before DJax touched the guy? I guess you also missed the part where the official doesn't even think about reaching for his flag until the Pitt guy jumps up and down whining about the pushoff. I mean you say that it was 5 feet in front of the ref so he had to call it. I've watched it 10 times on Tivo and the ref doesn't even reach for the flag until the Pitt DB starts jumping up and down in the ref's face then all of a sudden the flag comes in for OPI. This game was flat out HANDED to Pittsburgh so that they could get their perfect ending of Bettis winning his final game in his hometown. I don't even like either one of these teams, but it was obvious that the officiating was completely biased to Pitt.BTW, add the delay of game to your list of blown calls. Remember what Pitt got the first down by after they allowed the timeout? Yep, 1 freaking yard. They would have been 4 yards short of a first if the refs didn't blow that call as well. That would've given Seattle the ball back with 5+ minutes left on the clock.

Re the bolded part of the quote above, you should also notice on TiVo that the ref does not signal a TD, either. It's pretty clear that he was going to call OPI, correctly so, regardless of the defensive back's calling for it.

 

[The Jerk]

Re the bolded part of the quote above, you should also notice on TiVo that the ref does not signal a TD, either. It's pretty clear that he was going to call OPI, correctly so, regardless of the defensive back's calling for it.

You must be a closet Steeler fan. Haven't you seen that anyone who thinks any of the calls were correct is a Steeler fan?

 

[Frenchy Fuqua]

So is it:

2006* World Champions

Or

2006 World Champions*

Good one ! How do you come up with this stuff?

EG, I respect you a lot, so this is why I'm intervening.Get out of here. Your team just won a championship. Go celebrate. The guys that want to argue ad nauseum with you WON'T change their minds, no matter what you say. YOU know that your team won a championship. Reading this drivel will only drag you into a mudfight with no upside.

That goes for a lot of Steeler fans in here. There's no reason to be debating this stuff. Who cares? Whether there were bad calls or not...the game wasn't fixed. So, the score will stand. You won. Go home, and stop sinking to this level.

 

[Sonny Lubick Blowup Doll]

I'm no Keith Olbermann fan, but I thought he had an interesting observation just now on the Dan Patrick Show. More to the point, I agreed with him. He said something to the effect that the game's been over since Sunday night, but the officiating keeps getting worse and worse with every hour that goes by.

The media is running with the story, and why not? It's a sexy story, it allows them to appear to be at odds with the NFL establishment, and best of all, it's bringing them ratings because people are passionate about it. Besides, no one roots for the refs. They're an easy target.

Bingo, we now have a public agenda with is great for ratings.

Olbermann is dead-on here, IMO. I watched the game with a bunch of Seattle fans at a bar and not one of them complained about the officiating during the game.

I'd be willing to bet now that half of them (at least) are complaining to people that they got jobbed.

Dude, you're killing me! No way did "NOT ONE" of them (Seattle fans at a bar) complain about a call in that game. NOT A CHANCE.

Okay, unless they were:

A. Fearful of getting their asses kicked in Pittsburgh

B. They were an AYSO girls soccer team

This was in Orlando, not Pittsburgh, and the male Seattle fans in the area I was sitting (outside pavillion) outnumbered Steeler fans by about 3/2. There was no fear involved.It's amazing that you can be so clairvoyant as to tell me what the reaction of Seahawk fans 3,000 miles away was, but I assure you, I was sitting there, and no one was griping about bad officiating. Maybe they just recognized that despite a couple of calls that did not go their way, they still had plenty of opportunities to win.

Okay, you guys got me, I guess there really wasn't going to be a fight; and there wasn't a real live AYSO girls soccer team at the bar.

Did my post suggest somehow that I was taking you literally?Point was, they weren't holding in their displeasure with the officials for any reason - they obviously just didn't feel it was right to complain about it.

Oh man, are you cracking me up. So you knew what the Seattle fans in the bar were thinking on Sunday. That is SO sweet! Remember, you also claimed that half of them are complaining now...talk about clairvoyance.

 

[jsargos]

I've posted a few times in here that I thought the officiating played a major part in the game, but I also think the Steelers are victims just as much as the Seahawks.  I'm sure the last thing they wanted was to win, and be forced to answer questions about the officials or have people question the legitimacy of their win.

I for one would just like to see the NFL admit that they have a problem and take steps to correct it.  I don't think there was any agenda, I just think there were an unsually high number of questionable calls that unfortuantely went against one team.  The calls (leaving right or wrong out of it) had a tangible effect on the outcome of the game.  If the NFL were doing everything they could to ensure the quality of officiating, I could live with it.  There will never be a perfect system, but people have been questioning the NFL for years on the policy of having part-time officials.  We all know that the season is shorter, but that just makes each game more important.

This is all good, but don't think that having full time officials will prevent all bad calls from occurring in the future. The full time baseball, hockey and basketball referees seem to miss quite a few, too.

No doubt. But would there be less? I wouldn't want a part-time surgeon operating on me, or a part-time pilot flying my plane. People get better at what they practice and do all the time. There are other things I think should happen as well; a separate replay official, goal line technology, etc. There will always be bad calls, but there is also a lot of room for improvement in the system.

 

[The Jerk]

I've posted a few times in here that I thought the officiating played a major part in the game, but I also think the Steelers are victims just as much as the Seahawks.  I'm sure the last thing they wanted was to win, and be forced to answer questions about the officials or have people question the legitimacy of their win.

I for one would just like to see the NFL admit that they have a problem and take steps to correct it.  I don't think there was any agenda, I just think there were an unsually high number of questionable calls that unfortuantely went against one team.  The calls (leaving right or wrong out of it) had a tangible effect on the outcome of the game.  If the NFL were doing everything they could to ensure the quality of officiating, I could live with it.  There will never be a perfect system, but people have been questioning the NFL for years on the policy of having part-time officials.  We all know that the season is shorter, but that just makes each game more important.

This is all good, but don't think that having full time officials will prevent all bad calls from occurring in the future. The full time baseball, hockey and basketball referees seem to miss quite a few, too.

No doubt. But would there be less? I wouldn't want a part-time surgeon operating on me, or a part-time pilot flying my plane. People get better at what they practice and do all the time. There are other things I think should happen as well; a seperate replay official, goal line technology, etc. There will always be bad calls, but there is also a lot of room for improvement in the system.

Don't misunderstand me. I'm not saying that the current system is beyond improvement. I guess I'm mostly trying to point out that bad calls will be a part of sports as long as they are played. If someone creates robots to referee, I'll bet they still make bad calls due to their programming, vision system limitations, etc.

 

[Evilgrin 72]

I'm no Keith Olbermann fan, but I thought he had an interesting observation just now on the Dan Patrick Show. More to the point, I agreed with him. He said something to the effect that the game's been over since Sunday night, but the officiating keeps getting worse and worse with every hour that goes by.

The media is running with the story, and why not? It's a sexy story, it allows them to appear to be at odds with the NFL establishment, and best of all, it's bringing them ratings because people are passionate about it. Besides, no one roots for the refs. They're an easy target.

Bingo, we now have a public agenda with is great for ratings.

Olbermann is dead-on here, IMO. I watched the game with a bunch of Seattle fans at a bar and not one of them complained about the officiating during the game.

I'd be willing to bet now that half of them (at least) are complaining to people that they got jobbed.

Dude, you're killing me! No way did "NOT ONE" of them (Seattle fans at a bar) complain about a call in that game. NOT A CHANCE.

Okay, unless they were:

A. Fearful of getting their asses kicked in Pittsburgh

B. They were an AYSO girls soccer team

This was in Orlando, not Pittsburgh, and the male Seattle fans in the area I was sitting (outside pavillion) outnumbered Steeler fans by about 3/2. There was no fear involved.It's amazing that you can be so clairvoyant as to tell me what the reaction of Seahawk fans 3,000 miles away was, but I assure you, I was sitting there, and no one was griping about bad officiating. Maybe they just recognized that despite a couple of calls that did not go their way, they still had plenty of opportunities to win.

Okay, you guys got me, I guess there really wasn't going to be a fight; and there wasn't a real live AYSO girls soccer team at the bar.

Did my post suggest somehow that I was taking you literally?Point was, they weren't holding in their displeasure with the officials for any reason - they obviously just didn't feel it was right to complain about it.

Oh man, are you cracking me up. So you knew what the Seattle fans in the bar were thinking on Sunday. That is SO sweet! Remember, you also claimed that half of them are complaining now...talk about clairvoyance.

I was talking to them the whole game and they never said boo about the officiating, despite being very vocal. Don't have to be clairvoyant to make that deduction.As far as them complaining now, I didn't say I knew that for a fact, I said I'd bet that they are.

 

[Evilgrin 72]

So is it:

2006* World Champions

Or

2006 World Champions*

Good one ! How do you come up with this stuff?

EG, I respect you a lot, so this is why I'm intervening.Get out of here. Your team just won a championship. Go celebrate. The guys that want to argue ad nauseum with you WON'T change their minds, no matter what you say. YOU know that your team won a championship. Reading this drivel will only drag you into a mudfight with no upside.

That goes for a lot of Steeler fans in here. There's no reason to be debating this stuff. Who cares? Whether there were bad calls or not...the game wasn't fixed. So, the score will stand. You won. Go home, and stop sinking to this level.

You know what.... you guys are 100% right. I don't know why I have this complusion to always defend the Steelers, even when it isn't necessary. I can't go home, I'm at work, and I'm bored. that's the problem - this board is the most entertaining diversion I have. I just need to stay out of these threads.

 

[tommyboy]

i freely admit the officiating sucked and benefitted Pittsburgh. So what...the Hawks still had several opportunities to win the game and choked. End of story.

 

[Seehawk]

i freely admit the officiating sucked and benefitted Pittsburgh. So what...the Hawks still had several opportunities to win the game and choked. End of story.

I would love to have a thread that only Steeler and Seahawk fans could read and respond to. We could get the "congrats on your victory" and "you guys played a good game" posts out of the way without having to puff up our chests and protect our manhood.....I can't help but think that tommyboy would have posted something eerily similar to the above WITHOUT that "Hawks choked" comment if it was just Steelers and Seahawks reading it I think the vast majority of us would all agree...

offciating sucked,

benefitted Steelers,

Seahawks played well,

Steelers hit the big plays,

Seahawks came up just short,

Steelers are the Champs.

Everything else is picking nits.

 

[AB in DC]

These online petitions are always effective.

 

[Idiot Boxer]

You're a disgrace to the Boxer name.

 

[3C's]

These online petitions are always effective.

I'm going to start an online petition demanding that online petitions be made illegal.

 

[Muahahaha]

Where is the petition to stop the whining.

 

[The Jerk]

i freely admit the officiating sucked and benefitted Pittsburgh.  So what...the Hawks still had several opportunities to win the game and choked.  End of story.

I would love to have a thread that only Steeler and Seahawk fans could read and respond to. We could get the "congrats on your victory" and "you guys played a good game" posts out of the way without having to puff up our chests and protect our manhood.....I can't help but think that tommyboy would have posted something eerily similar to the above WITHOUT that "Hawks choked" comment if it was just Steelers and Seahawks reading it I think the vast majority of us would all agree...

offciating sucked,

benefitted Steelers,

Seahawks played well,

Steelers hit the big plays,

Seahawks came up just short,

Steelers are the Champs.

Everything else is picking nits.

I'll sign on to that. Many people out there are saying both teams didn't play well. I'm not so sure about that. Certainly neither team played their best, but I think people are omitting that many of the mistakes made by both team's offenses were the equivalent of the tennis statistic "forced errors" as opposed to unforced errors. Those are two very good defenses.Anyway, I've seen a lot of class from you throughout, Seehawk. Again, I wish your team and your fans well.

 

[tattoofan]

These online petitions are always effective.

I'm going to start an online petition demanding that online petitions be made illegal.

Post a link if you do!

 

[kupcho1]

PMs down?

 

[BeTheMatch]

Think Leavy will be assigned to any games in Seattle next year?

 

[3MTA3]

i freely admit the officiating sucked and benefitted Pittsburgh. So what...the Hawks still had several opportunities to win the game and choked. End of story.

I would love to have a thread that only Steeler and Seahawk fans could read and respond to. We could get the "congrats on your victory" and "you guys played a good game" posts out of the way without having to puff up our chests and protect our manhood.....I can't help but think that tommyboy would have posted something eerily similar to the above WITHOUT that "Hawks choked" comment if it was just Steelers and Seahawks reading it I think the vast majority of us would all agree...

offciating sucked,

benefitted Steelers,

Seahawks played well,

Steelers hit the big plays,

Seahawks came up just short,

Steelers are the Champs.

Everything else is picking nits.

I'm cool with this, can we lock this thread....Seriously

 

[djcolts]

Think Leavy will be assigned to any games in Seattle next year?

It would be high comedy - so I hope he gets one game in Seattle next season - on Sunday Night Football (so the rest of the nation can enjoy hearing the boos throughout the game).

 

[3MTA3]

What a novel idea for a thread

 

[3C's]

These online petitions are always effective.

I'm going to start an online petition demanding that online petitions be made illegal.

Post a link if you do!

I was actually sort of joking..but what the hecklink

 

[crowe1130]

Hadn't heard anything like this yet. Could you please elaborate? Are you saying the officiating was poor in the Super Bowl?

 

[jurb26]

I'm cool with this, can we lock this thread....Seriously

Why, then we would just have 35 people start 50 more in one day. I think they should just leave this open till the has passed.

 

[kupcho1]

Hadn't heard anything like this yet. Could you please elaborate? Are you saying the officiating was poor in the Super Bowl?

Do not mock "The original lower-tier FBG"