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Could the best college team beat a CFL team? (1 Viewer)
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Compelling argument.
Barry
Footballguy
I've never seen more clueless posts on this board before. The major difference between the NFL and CFL players is size. Talented players in College that the NFL didn't even bother evaluating because of height or weight get picked up by CFL teams. Example, look up who broke Terry Bradshaw's school records at Louisiana Tech.
Players from College or NFLE may be a better fit for the NFL's game. However on talent alone the CFL is superior.
Players from College or NFLE may be a better fit for the NFL's game. However on talent alone the CFL is superior.
ChampBailey24
Footballguy
Way to have a good discussionBut that's not really football though is it?
And I still think even with the CFL rules it would be close. Nobody could guard Bush or Young in the CFL.
CFL isn't football, any college team could beat a CFL team with their rules. Good job buddy. ####### ######.With NFL rules, it would be close. CFL players have played on NFL fields before and know how it is. The college team doesn't know how CF is. Field is larger and longer, there are more players on the field, the ball is not the same. Punt and kick returns rules are not the same, etc.
IMO with NFL rules, it'd be close. Most CFL players were really good in college, they were just too small for the NFL. With CFL rules, it's not the same thing. The CFL team would beat that team. The running game is not close as important in the CFL and wide receivers make a lot of difference. College wides would have problems running their routes.
NFL rules = close
CFL rules = CFL team wins
ChampBailey24
Footballguy
93rd Grey Cup. And the first "football" game was played between McGill College (in Montreal) and Harvard.You might want to check your facts. IIRC, the Canadian version of the game has been played about as long as the American version. In fact, some of our Canadian friends can correct me on this, but wasn't last season the 75th Grey Cup?College/NFL rules is football.Arena and CFL are variations of the true game but field goals from your own end zone and running forward before the ball is hiked and 20 yard endzones are derived to garner interest due to the inferior talent on the field.CFL is not real football? Please define what real football is.Two different games, but a CFL team is build on defense and is a passing game more than NFL ball. It would not happen - so why discuss it?
And I still think even with the CFL rules it would be close. Nobody could guard Bush or Young in the CFL.
Who says it won't happen?
ChampBailey24
Footballguy
Wrong. It's for small players that would have difficulty to express their talent in the NFL. In the CFL, they have more space.
Assani Fisher
Footballguy
This is certainly a very interesting debate. The QB position would be the NCAA's major weakness since it takes so long to develop. However, many college RBs come in and are instantly among the NFLs best, so I have to think that the Bush/White combo would be a huge advantage for USC against any CFL team. Overall I'd say this:CFL Rules: CFL team wins by 14
NCAA Rules: Close game that could go either way.
I would bet scrilla that Leinart or Young would tear up the CFL defenses with their respective collegiate teams.
Assani Fisher
Footballguy
Honest question: How complex are CFL defenses? If they are anything close to NFL defenses with blitz schemes and audibles, then you're totally wrong.
can't be that complex. not like usc would need to pass anyway. that line and running game would control the entire game.
fridayfrenzy
Footballguy
Why can't it be complex?
fridayfrenzy
Footballguy
You think a NCAA WR can get open versus a professional DB that plays in a league that is basically based on the passing game?
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fridayfrenzy
Footballguy
The CFL only has 2 downs before you have to punt....you can't solely rely on the running game.
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ChampBailey24
Footballguy
I play midget football (2 years of midget. Second year of midget and beginning of cegep football = HS) with the CFL rules and we already use blitz and many formations. We do have many schemes and a few audibles depending of the situation.
larry_boy_44
Footballguy
they could beat them...
but it would be close more often than not...
I think the CFL teams would win...
but it would be close more often than not...
I think the CFL teams would win...
A professional CFL player? Sure.
Wadsworth
Footballguy
With all this talk about USC, it seems some people have forgotten that they lost the Rose Bowl. Keep in mind that USC couldn't beat Texas before you start talking about them beating a CFL team. So when answering "Could the best college team beat a CFL team?" you should be talking about how Texas matches up, not the trojans.
Even after the draft, where every single player from USC besides Deuce slid the USC hype still has no bounds. That team lost to Texas, needed a miricle to beat ND and really didn't have an overly impressive draft class, yet it's still rah, rah Trojans, they were so talented. Fall for the hype much?
Even after the draft, where every single player from USC besides Deuce slid the USC hype still has no bounds. That team lost to Texas, needed a miricle to beat ND and really didn't have an overly impressive draft class, yet it's still rah, rah Trojans, they were so talented. Fall for the hype much?
But USC won the previous two years as well. A team that won two years in a row and then lost on the last play of the game is probably a better candidate than Texas, but I think Texas could beat a CFL team as could Ohio State.Those 3 teams could go 3-0 against any CFL team. Any time any where.
We don't need to focus on the Trojans. We can look solely at Texas.Vince Young would have 300+ total yards and 4 TDs even throwing the ball like a chicken.
ChampBailey24
Footballguy
I bet you've never seen a CFL game. ######. CFL is a passing league. CFL DBs see much more action than NCAA DBs and have been playing for longer. If they played with CFL rules, it wouldn't be close.
Pac 10 DBs see plenty of action.I would bet that a team like Oregon would be an even match for a CFL team. And USC beat Oregon really bad at Oregon.
BTW, why would I want to see a CFL game?
ChampBailey24
Footballguy
This is ridiculous. You've never seen a CFL game and you say that Oregon would beat a CFL team...They'd probably beat the Ottawa Renegades but there's no way they'd beat the Alouettes.BTW, why would I want to see a CFL game?
No, I said Oregon would be an even match.This is ridiculous. You've never seen a CFL game and you say that Oregon would beat a CFL team...They'd probably beat the Ottawa Renegades but there's no way they'd beat the Alouettes.BTW, why would I want to see a CFL game?
fridayfrenzy
Footballguy
BTW, why would I want to see a CFL game?
And you are talking like you know the skill level in the CFL. LOL.
I know it is inferior to the NFL and NFLE. Since the majority of major college programs go to the NFL or NFLE, by definition these players are better.BTW, why would I want to see a CFL game?
fridayfrenzy
Footballguy
Yes, but you do not know to what degree it is lesser, thats the problem. Your scenario is about as plausible as the Top CIS/NCAA hockey team beating an AHL hockey team....it won't happen.I know it is inferior to the NFL and NFLE. Since the majority of major college programs go to the NFL or NFLE, by definition these players are better.BTW, why would I want to see a CFL game?
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JohnnyTitan
Footballguy
Here are four WRs on the CFL team I follow that you guys will recognize:
Martay Jenkins
Scotty Anderson
Terrance Wilkins
Jermaine Copeland (NFLE Standout)
These are not even the best four WRs on the team, and the team does not have the best WRs in the league...but five or six years out of college I think AS A GROUP you'd have to give them the nod over any college group.
And as noted, professional CFL DBs shut these guys down on a much bigger field. The talent is there, just not the size. And EVERY player is a PRO, not just seven or eight.
CFL Wins.
Martay Jenkins
Scotty Anderson
Terrance Wilkins
Jermaine Copeland (NFLE Standout)
These are not even the best four WRs on the team, and the team does not have the best WRs in the league...but five or six years out of college I think AS A GROUP you'd have to give them the nod over any college group.
And as noted, professional CFL DBs shut these guys down on a much bigger field. The talent is there, just not the size. And EVERY player is a PRO, not just seven or eight.
CFL Wins.
bostonfred
Footballguy
The best college team is capable of beating an NFL team.
ChampBailey24
Footballguy
Of course not, with ######s like bagger that have never seen a CFL game but still vote yet.You're right, but it doesn't seem like much of a debate:
Code:Yes [ 71 ] ** [65.14%]No [ 38 ] ** [34.86%]
Pat Patriot
Footballguy
I lived in Toronto for awhile. I have been to CFL games. Because it is a bigger field, speed is king. Bush and Young would be the fastest players on the field. Young would never even have to throw a pass. He could just drop back, find a hole and go. How would they stop him from getting a first down? The LB's in the CFL are painfully slow.
And some of you are right, the CFL is lacking in size. A big receiver like Dwayne Jarrett would DOMINATE the CFL DB's. They could not contend with his size. The USC or Texas DB's would have a tough time as well because of the rules differences. However, how would the CFL team contend with the pass rush of the NCAA team?
I think it is an interesting debate but the NCAA team would have more talent on the field. Would they win? Most times I would say yes.
And some of you are right, the CFL is lacking in size. A big receiver like Dwayne Jarrett would DOMINATE the CFL DB's. They could not contend with his size. The USC or Texas DB's would have a tough time as well because of the rules differences. However, how would the CFL team contend with the pass rush of the NCAA team?
I think it is an interesting debate but the NCAA team would have more talent on the field. Would they win? Most times I would say yes.
FreeBaGeL
Footballguy
This poll is a joke. How in the world did 44 people vote no? Last year's USC team would have beaten a CFL team by 50.
Seriously, the people that voted no, have you ever watched a CFL game before? I've watched many....as a joke. It's not football, it's a bunch of doofuses running around running around with a pigskin. We often gather as friends to watch the games constant fumbles and floaters and laugh, because the poor play is so much fun to watch. You get those fumbles that bounce around 15 times before someone gets a clean scoop, you get punters trying to fake a punt on their own and then when they realize they can't they just spike the ball, you get those floaters that hang up in the air so long 8 guys are under it by the time it finally comes down hail marry style....on 1st and 10 with 9 minutes left in the first quarter. I don't mean to sound harsh but I was just so astonished to actually see a bunch of "no" votes here.
Seriously, watch a couple games. There is a fumble about every 3 plays, and the defenses break down so hard it's almost worse than the ducks that QBs often throw that look like they're playing in a hurricane. I remember one defensive play in particular where a guy ran a quick slant from the slot and took it 60 yards straight up the middle for a touchdown without a single defender ever even appearing on the screen, and they didn't even blitz on the play. No defenders on screen, that means no one within even 15 yards, where were they????
Usually, if it's not the defense breaking down it's the offense. QBs often have balls get away from them that go floating into the air as if he were throwing into some combination of a hurricane and a blizzard.
We actually had a chat with some sports betting high rollers in Vegas about how impossible it is to set odds for the CFL games, because there's no way to predict how those 23 fumbles that occur every game will bounce.
There's your occasional hidden gem, a la Doug Flutie. But for the most part the teams are so far from NFL players that a group of future NFLers like USC would demolish them.
I would go much further than to say the best college team could beat a CFL team...that one's easy. I would say every ranked collegiate team could beat a CFL team.
Seriously, the people that voted no, have you ever watched a CFL game before? I've watched many....as a joke. It's not football, it's a bunch of doofuses running around running around with a pigskin. We often gather as friends to watch the games constant fumbles and floaters and laugh, because the poor play is so much fun to watch. You get those fumbles that bounce around 15 times before someone gets a clean scoop, you get punters trying to fake a punt on their own and then when they realize they can't they just spike the ball, you get those floaters that hang up in the air so long 8 guys are under it by the time it finally comes down hail marry style....on 1st and 10 with 9 minutes left in the first quarter. I don't mean to sound harsh but I was just so astonished to actually see a bunch of "no" votes here.
Seriously, watch a couple games. There is a fumble about every 3 plays, and the defenses break down so hard it's almost worse than the ducks that QBs often throw that look like they're playing in a hurricane. I remember one defensive play in particular where a guy ran a quick slant from the slot and took it 60 yards straight up the middle for a touchdown without a single defender ever even appearing on the screen, and they didn't even blitz on the play. No defenders on screen, that means no one within even 15 yards, where were they????
Usually, if it's not the defense breaking down it's the offense. QBs often have balls get away from them that go floating into the air as if he were throwing into some combination of a hurricane and a blizzard.
We actually had a chat with some sports betting high rollers in Vegas about how impossible it is to set odds for the CFL games, because there's no way to predict how those 23 fumbles that occur every game will bounce.
There's your occasional hidden gem, a la Doug Flutie. But for the most part the teams are so far from NFL players that a group of future NFLers like USC would demolish them.
I would go much further than to say the best college team could beat a CFL team...that one's easy. I would say every ranked collegiate team could beat a CFL team.
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fridayfrenzy
Footballguy
Its so a Canadian game actually has some component of being Canadian. The CHL also limits import players, and thats because the league is primarily for Canadians. The United States has 297 million people, while Canada has 32 million. Based on just numbers, of course the US is going to have a lot better football players than Canada.
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Who was talking about Fresno State?Read the poll question so you don't look foolish.
