shadyridr
Footballguy
Change it to 72 hours or a negative test. The point being, for children, this is "just a flu". As a matter of fact, flu is deadlier to children than CV.
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Covid and School This Fall (3 Viewers)
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AAABatteries
Footballguy
I have no clue - I'm not qualified on any level to answer. My gut says no and based on the guidance I'm seeing everywhere of quarantining for 2 weeks I'm going to say no. I've never heard of quarantining for 2 weeks for the flu. But further, will they require positives to test negative before they return?
Again - I've been saying for a while that opening schools is probably our hardest decision to make and I see very valid arguments on both sides. I just wish we could get some better answers for the protocols they will be following.
AAABatteries
Footballguy
Whether I agree/disagree with that my point is I'm not hearing specifics around this. At least that is something - my fear is it will be up to the discretion of parents. Who have agendas/motives around what they want (not meaning that to be nefarious - I have my own agendas/motives for my family). I don't think people can be trusted to "do the right thing" - we've proven we can't.
shadyridr
Footballguy
Yes, this is definitely contagious longer than flu. Plus Tamiflu can reduce time of flu symptoms and children get the flu vaccine. So while, I agree the logistics will be different, I think the general idea would be the same.
- Kid has flu, must stay home until 24 hours fever free (going to guess this is about 5 days out of school).
- Kid has Covid, child must stay home until doctor clears them to return (going to guess with most children having mild symptoms at most, this is about 10 days out of school).
Ignoratio Elenchi
Footballguy
I'm certain your son's teacher didn't stop working on January 15th. And just because he wasn't chatting live with your son for 8 hours a day doesn't mean he wasn't working. I suppose it's possible that your son's teacher literally just stopped working but that seems far less likely than you just not really knowing what you're talking about.
shadyridr
Footballguy
My SIL, who had a newborn in December, teaches HS Social Studies. She definitely stopped working and was ecstatic with remote working. She said she posted one assignment a day and nobody ever responded and she was happy watching her baby. And she got full pay for this!
parasaurolophus
Footballguy
Or perhaps it was hyperbole and you are hypersensitive because your wife is a teacher.
Plenty of bad teachers out there. Sounds like need2know's kid got one.
AAABatteries
Footballguy
Can I tell the shady from the Internet says they should adopt these?
We are on the same page - I just think it's not too much to ask to have these details. I think it's data that everyone should need to make a decision for what they will do with their kids.
shadyridr
Footballguy
What makes you think these guidelines won't be provided? I guess for NYC, we are still talking TWO MONTHS until school starts. I know school starts earlier elsewhere but it seems there still is plenty of time to provide those guidelines.Can I tell the shady from the Internet says they should adopt these?
parasaurolophus
Footballguy
AAABatteries
Footballguy
I have 48 hours to decide whether my kids will be in person or remote for the remainder of the calendar year.
shadyridr
Footballguy
My son's teacher was HORRIBLE. I don't think they mailed it in but they were only available for questions once a day for half hour & taught no live classes.
shadyridr
Footballguy
WHAT? I mustve missed that. I agree 1000% you should have all the guidelines before making that decision. That is completely unfair and crazy if you ask me. But nothing surprises me in 2020.
AAABatteries
Footballguy
We were told that we have to decide by this Friday and the decision is for the remainder of this year. Ironically enough, my wife sent me a text 30 seconds ago saying there's a rumor that our county had an emergency board meeting last night - no details of what took place.
Ignoratio Elenchi
Footballguy
Or perhaps because I live with a teacher I've seen all the work they do that most parents never see.
You guys are of course welcome to your interpretation of the situation, I'm happy sticking with mine. In my experience there are far more bad parents than bad teachers, e.g.:Parents complaining that they're "losing their minds" because they've had to work and also watch their young kids through this, and somehow making that the teachers' fault is ridiculous. All of us who are parents, including many teachers who somehow are expected to remotely babysit to your child all day, are in the same boat.
shadyridr
Footballguy
My SIL is a High School teacher in a NYC public school. I think you need to expand your horizons how things work outside of your community.Or perhaps because I live with a teacher I've seen all the work they do that most parents never see.
Parents complaining that they're "losing their minds" because they've had to work and also watch their young kids through this, and somehow making that the teachers' fault is ridiculous. All of us who are parents, including many teachers who somehow are expected to remotely babysit to your child all day, are in the same boat.
need2know
Footballguy
Yeah you don't know everything either. I know my sons teacher fairly well. She's younger. Her and her boyfriend went on 5 vacations in march/april/may. During the supposed school week. sendings some stuff over email once per week for him to do and occasionally checking in on how we are doing is all we saw her do. Most of the time when we reached out she was unreachable and def not working. I'm sure there was some behind the scene stuff she did but did that benefit my son or my family? Sure as hell not. She got paid her full pay though. For doing like maybe 20% of what she normally would do. Not hating just stating facts.
My son's kindergarten teacher said she was working 14 hour days during the spring. I have no reason to question her good faith, and I wouldn't be surprised if the teachers were working that hard trying to come up with some sort of game plan. But we certainly didn't see the direct benefits of that hard work. My son had two hours of Zoom instruction during the week, and the school was throwing assignments at us on 4-5 different platforms we were supposed to keep track of. And this is for a kindergarten class. I can only speculate that most of the teachers' time is being burned up on dealing with an ineffective bureaucracy.
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AAABatteries
Footballguy
I started doing more digging and I do think SOME of my questions were answered. Mea culpa on my part - not all but some. So, I was wrong - my mistake. Hopefully everybody gets the data they need/want to make a good decision. It's still unclear if I'm reading it right but sounds like for the most part it's up to families to be smart - they won't take temperatures unless the kid gets sick at school (for example). I will see about posting some of it in here later.
parasaurolophus
Footballguy
The biggest problem I have with remote learning is that the curriculum is structured to make everything be of poor quality on purpose.
So if you have kids that dont have great internet connections or have to watch their brothers and sisters or any other number of reasons we made the curriculum as weak and unaccountable as possible to make sure that all of those kids got the same exact level of education as everybody else.
And yes, I realize that means some kids get screwed. But how on earth was the best solution that ALL kids get screwed.
If we are going to go remote learning there should be fewer teachers, administrators, and obviously building management costs go way down. The money saved from that should go toward making as many accommodations as possible for kids.
And spare me the costs being the same arguments. Colleges didnt start putting online classes out there just because they wanted to be nice to people.
I would honestly rather they just cancel a semester of school than have the joke of a curriculum that was put out there. That makes everything equal and at least saves us tax dollars.
We could get the same education for $1.25 in late charges from the public library.
So if you have kids that dont have great internet connections or have to watch their brothers and sisters or any other number of reasons we made the curriculum as weak and unaccountable as possible to make sure that all of those kids got the same exact level of education as everybody else.
And yes, I realize that means some kids get screwed. But how on earth was the best solution that ALL kids get screwed.
If we are going to go remote learning there should be fewer teachers, administrators, and obviously building management costs go way down. The money saved from that should go toward making as many accommodations as possible for kids.
And spare me the costs being the same arguments. Colleges didnt start putting online classes out there just because they wanted to be nice to people.
I would honestly rather they just cancel a semester of school than have the joke of a curriculum that was put out there. That makes everything equal and at least saves us tax dollars.
We could get the same education for $1.25 in late charges from the public library.
JShare87
Footballguy
Since you only have 48 hours to decide, my advice would be to select traditional school for the time being. Monitor how things are going within the next month and then make a decision. I don't think there's any way they could deny your children an education if you're not comfortable with the safety of your kids in a traditional school setting. That buys you guys about a month to make a true decision before school starts. However, if you choose online, they may say you’re stuck with that option for the calendar year.
Want to be clear, I am not telling you or any parent what to do with his/her children. I am just recommending a way to possibly buy you more time while keeping both options open. Hope this helps.
Ignoratio Elenchi
Footballguy
This is particularly funny coming from the guy who seems to be always citing how things are going on Long Island or whatever as commentary on COVID, e.g. this latest gem:
Consider me shocked that people of a particular political bent apparently all have ####ty teachers who somehow have been on vacation the last six months. What a coincidence! Can't imagine why you're all so eager to send your kids back into a building all day with these incompetents, though.
shadyridr
Footballguy
I'm not the one saying EVERY teacher was working hard. We already have several examples of the opposite.
AAABatteries
Footballguy
I'm hoping this emergency board meeting is delaying school start so we can see how things are further out. Right now school is set to start for us in under 3 weeks. August 3rd.
need2know
Footballguy
I never called her incompetent. She's a good teacher when she works. I just want her to do her job. You know the one we all pay her to do.
Galileo
Footballguy
I wouldn't be so sure this would work. Schools need to finalize staffing arrangements, room arrangements, and student schedules which is why they are looking to collect this information now and not later. If you choose "in person" and the school does indeed open for that, they will expect you in person. They are not denying anything...the opportunity is being provided.
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parasaurolophus
Footballguy
Definitely hyper sensitive.Or perhaps because I live with a teacher I've seen all the work they do that most parents never see.
Parents complaining that they're "losing their minds" because they've had to work and also watch their young kids through this, and somehow making that the teachers' fault is ridiculous. All of us who are parents, including many teachers who somehow are expected to remotely babysit to your child all day, are in the same boat.
Ignoratio Elenchi
Footballguy
I don't think anyone said that. Like I said, everyone's welcome to their interpretation of the situation. Given my experiences as both a parent of young kids and as someone who lives with a teacher and has many other teachers among my friends and family, I'm comfortable with my assessment of the situation. Generally the people complaining about how little the teachers do are the ones least involved with their kids' education. I know some bad teachers exist, just seems coincidental that the same types of folks always seem to have been stuck with the bad teachers.
In our district the teachers had a scheduled 30 minute video chat with the entire class each day for discussion, questions, etc. It's very easy to see, for example, how some parents might mistakenly believe that the teacher was therefore only working 30 minutes a day, oblivious to the hours spent daily on other calls with parents and students who reached out for individual attention, curriculum meetings, lesson planning and creation, grading and feedback, interviews with child protective services, IT support for parents who don't know how computers work, and the myriad other things I've witnessed teachers doing these last few months to somehow transition to full-remote learning with literally zero advance notice. I've had to work from home through all of this, too, and I took on most of the load of home-schooling our kids because I can mostly do my work on my own schedule as opposed to my wife who had to devote her attention to other people's kids most of the day.
Just seems silly for people posting on a fantasy football message board all day to complain that their kids' teachers weren't working hard enough.
OrtonToOlsen
Footballguy
Can’t wait to NOT have to go to Back to School Night for sure,
Ignoratio Elenchi
Footballguy
As I've stated multiple times, you're all welcome to your opinion of the situation. I'm quite confident with mine.
Ilov80s
Footballguy
Yeah we are having some teachers record a brief introduction video in lieu of the freshman open house. I won’t mind missing that event.
timschochet
Footballguy
Without attempting to refute every aspect of this nonsense, I’ll just say that I hope nobody in a position of responsibility takes it seriously.
parasaurolophus
Footballguy
CletiusMaximus
Footballguy
We had a 1 hour zoom presentation today and I have to say I am extremely pleased with my son's school's response. They will have a full schedule. It will be completely voluntary whether kids attend in school or from home. The teachers are using something called Swivl technology to present lessons, with the kids at home being able to interact with kids in the classroom. Mandatory masks which the school provides (no sharing, no masks from home), but there are outside areas where the kids can remove masks and of course they can remove them for lunch. They are cleaning every night with some kind of anti-viral machines (Titan?). Social distancing in the building, etc. Sports and other extras are still a complete crap-shoot, but they are starting fall tryouts next week.
-fish-
Footballguy
The survey we got did not include a question like "will your child attend school in person if it is an option?" It was just "which of these three options would you prefer?"
So although other districts may be gathering useful data, this one isn't. It's guiding its decision-making based on what parents want. Looks like our governor may throw a wrench into their plans, though. He said we're not even considering further reopening until July 28, which is also the deadline for the schools to announce their plan.
NutterButter
Footballguy
So everyone can attend daily but they're still able to follow social distancing? How they making that work?
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Grahamburn
Footballguy
Grahamburn
Footballguy
NutterButter
Footballguy
The "voluntary" part threw me off b/c if everyone chooses to come in then you can't follow social distancing from what I understand.
Galileo
Footballguy
leftcoastguy7
Footballguy
I've read that some teachers around the country are demanding that there be NO new cases in their districts for fourteen consecutive days before they will return to in-person classes.
Ignoratio Elenchi
Footballguy
It's a reasonable solution but since this is a very local situation, it's unlikely that a solution that's right for one place will be right for everywhere in the country.
Grahamburn
Footballguy
NutterButter
Footballguy
Other than this Swivl technology, the rest sounds par for the course for any school with some form of in person attendance. You're going to wear masks, social distance and sanitize. How well this hybrid approach with half the kids at home following the in class instruction works is the big question since its never been done before.
Mr Anonymous
Footballguy
I've heard of at least one teacher's union demanding the local police department be defunded before they return. I'd loved to hear an explanation of what that has to do with fulfilling their contract. But it's all about the kids, right?
Ilov80s
Footballguy
Grahamburn
Footballguy
Some semblance of that model with modifications could be achieved in most every district.
Ignoratio Elenchi
Footballguy
I don't understand how you heard about this teacher's union but didn't hear the explanation.
