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Cowboys waive Carter - it's official (1 Viewer)
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seahawk 17
Footballguy
This story just broke on Seattle radio. He will be released, details will follow this afternoon. 
Tony Jabroni
Footballguy
$1 says it's drug related...
Aussie Cowboy
Footballguy
The Cowboys board says he's been in a substance abuse program for the past 3 years.
Warehouse Nasty
Footballguy
From my Cowboys friends I'm hearing the rumors about substance abuse probably have some legitimacy to them. Combine that with the fact that the unanimous opinion in Cowboy camp is that Henson has looked the best of all the QB's and it's easy to see why this happened. If you have a solid veteran and your QB of the future is as good or better now than some guy with a substance abuse problem who never was good to begin with, why keep him?
Wyld Stallyns
Footballguy
So what quarterbacks are available for Dallas if they do decide to bring someone else in? Anyone?
Frank Black
Footballguy
How does Carter's departure adjust the value of the WRs, whether the QB is Vinny or Hensen. Vinny would seem to boost KJ, but what about the other permutations?
Biabreakable
Footballguy
Vinny is 2 years older than Rich Gannon.. but he is still a year younger than Jerry Rice. I think the oldest anyone has ever started at QB in this league is Francis Tarkington at 42 years old. But he was a lot better than Vinny has ever been and so is Rice.I dunno about this decision. The older you get the longer it takes to heal. Qbs get hit a lot. This could lead to Henson playing sooner than latter.
I think the oldest anyone has ever started at QB in this league is Francis Tarkington at 42 years old. But he was a lot better than Vinny has ever been and so is Rice.I dunno about this decision. The older you get the longer it takes to heal. Qbs get hit a lot. This could lead to Henson playing sooner than latter.
PaceSetter
Footballguy
Hmm. . . I'm not sure that Vinny + Gannon = 16 games. I'm not saying the 'boys won't try to go that route, just that I'd rather have had Collins a few months ago. I guess it's kind of slim pickin's at this late date.
General Malaise
Footballguy
Q was on the radio talking about how "This was his team now" and "He was the man in charge"....I wonder if Bill wanted that squashed before other players started resenting Q for those comments. This reminds me of the Alenander Haig scene from 1981.Parcells knows what he's doing. Addition by subtraction. If the guy could win a SuperBowl with Hostettler, I'm thinking he knows how to win a few regular season games with what he has currently.
morehouse_slim
Footballguy
Dan Patrick on espn radio is saying that Fox Sports is reporting that Carter was released after he tested positive for cocaine.
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edited to add article claims this is his second positive test, would have resulted in a 4 game fine by NFL rules, obviously Parcells had another idea.
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edited to add article claims this is his second positive test, would have resulted in a 4 game fine by NFL rules, obviously Parcells had another idea.
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General Malaise
Footballguy
Well, I think it was common knowledge that the Cowboys advanced far faster than anybody in the organization thought last year. I don't even remember Optimistic Jones making any predictions of a winning year in '03. This season, I think the goals weren't to improve upon their record - I think the goals were to just improve. Collins wouldn't have represented improvement, IMO. He's an aging QB with past issues and even though he's incredibly talented, the Cowboy organization will always ALWAYS want a hero that they homegrow and can hang their star on. Henson is that guy. Hutchinson was to be that guy, but he failed. I think Henson is leagues ahead of Hutchinson in terms of talents and football smarts. And I think Jones (and more importantly Parcells) recognize that.Look for the team to have a record worse than 10-6. Expect Parcells and Jones to KNOW that already. And look for improvement in all facets of this team. Meaning if Testerverde grooms Henson and we see a passing of the torch mid-season, the Boys will be okay to lose a few games IF they see improvement from Henson AND that he can play at this level.I see Testeverde starting/playing 8-9 games and putting up better numbers than he had with the Jets last year. I see Henson taking over in about week 10 as the Cowboys concede missing the playoffs, but I like them to be competitive and I see them winning games late in the year in an attempt to build on positive momentum for 2005 and beyond.In short, Dallas wants another Troy Aikman. That's gold to the city and the team. The fans love it. The media loves it. The people selling jersey's love it. Henson is the next guy to assume that Aikman role.
PaceSetter
Footballguy
Good points. I agree that the Cowboys will be competitive, but are unlikely to make the playoffs now. In the long run this probably gives us a better team (higher draft pick next year, Henson gets some experience, etc.); but, it sucks to have to let go of much of the optimism I had for this season. With some bigger free agent signings in the off season, I could have seen us making a Super Bowl run, but then spending a few years in cap hell.Now I have more reason than ever to route against Buffalo. I'd love to be looking at an early and a mid first round pick next year. Maybe then we'll be poised to be SB contenders for several years.
Colin Dowling
Footballguy
LHUCKS is on the right track. I doubt Kitna's going anywhere, and I doubt Dilfer's moving. I bet Jeff Blake is pissed he signed with Philly. I bet Couch is sorry he signed with Green Bay. Same with Griese in Tampa.COlin
PaceSetter
Footballguy
If they go out and get the right guy, I do think they could be back in business this year (i.e. playoff team). But, I think it's going to be extremely difficult to find that guy at this point. As conservative as they've been this off season, it seems clear that they're looking to the future--even thought that hasn't been Jerry's style in the past. Any of the QBs that could make an impact this season are likely to cost them too much down the road. IF they can find a cheap veteran that isn't 60 years old, they'll make the move. Otherwise, I think they'll take their chances with what they've got.
Colin Dowling
Footballguy
Its way late to be bringing a QB in to camp, IMO. They'd have to have him on a plane in the next 48 hours for the guy to have any chance at starting this year. Its harldy exciting, but I think they might resign Hutchison and let Vinny be the starter while Henson works his way in.COlin
LHUCKS
Footballguy
It's late but I think given the urgency of the situation and Jones' history I wouldn't be surprised. A veteran QB could pick up the Dallas offense(which isn't complex) despite missing the beginning of camp.Time is admittedly not on their side, but I partially agree in that we're looking at Hutchinson coming back or a move for another veteran QB.
PaceSetter
Footballguy
I would agree with you if there were some free agents out there that fit the bill. However, I don't relish the idea of the Cowboys trying to reach a decent deal with Al Davis. I would be very surprised if Cincy would let Kitna go cheap when they have a rookie starting. Dilfer is the only guy that seems viable, but I'm sure Seattle will be reluctant to give up a very capable backup. All in all, I think Dallas would have to overpay to get one of those guys. While Jerry's done that before, his philosophy (thankfully) seems to have changed in recent years.
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Grackle Squad
Ninjas are so sweet
Every morning before I come to work I watch Total Access on the NFL Channel. It's always from the day before, since it is early in the morning (similar to Sportscenter), but it is always something good to watch while getting ready.Today, Quincy was on there saying the same thing, about how it was "his team" and he was the definite starter. I find this to be hilarious.
H.K.
Footballguy
How interesting would it be if the 'Boys got Simms from Tampa Bay?I know it would never happen, but it sure would give the press plenty to talk about...As for the current situation, the Cowboys brought in Henson as the QB of the future and early reports on him are quite positive. With Testeverde around to help tutor and serve as a relief pitcher, giving Henson the reigns isn't that much of a stretch. I don't think they'll go after anyone at QB, they have a playoff tested vet and a younger QB with upside, so I bet they'll stay put.
General Malaise
Footballguy
Gambino, that must have been another General. General Dip Schit or General Tso or General Mayonaise. Certainly NOT me. 
Guys - Dallas WILL NOT sign another QB. Period. I'm booking bets now for those who think I'm wrong.Testaverde WAS the veteran Parcells wanted and Henson IS the future this team needs. They don't want/need a third option muddying the situation. Period. Not Brees, not Kitna, not Collins, not Couch.Henson was signed for a REASON. Testaverde was brought in for a REASON. Carter was released for a REASON.This team will stand pat and play with what they have. And I bet...BET...that whomever is at the pivot makes less mistakes than Carter and shows better numbers by the end of the year.
Guys - Dallas WILL NOT sign another QB. Period. I'm booking bets now for those who think I'm wrong.Testaverde WAS the veteran Parcells wanted and Henson IS the future this team needs. They don't want/need a third option muddying the situation. Period. Not Brees, not Kitna, not Collins, not Couch.Henson was signed for a REASON. Testaverde was brought in for a REASON. Carter was released for a REASON.This team will stand pat and play with what they have. And I bet...BET...that whomever is at the pivot makes less mistakes than Carter and shows better numbers by the end of the year.
cosjobs
Footballguy
GM, I take that bet. Here's why:1. Dallas knows they cannot rely on Testaverde for 16+ games.2. Henson WILL NOT play more than 15% of snaps this year. If he does, his contract reverts from a 5 year deal to a 3 year deal. No way shrewd Jerry and Bill a llow a potential franchise QB to slice off the last 2 years of his contract.SO unless ROmo is good for 5-7 starts, DAllas needs another QB body.Also, remember the boys are WAY under the cap. This is not a coincidence. They knew of Carter's hisrtory and left oney in the bank, just in case. Now we see why they have not yet bought a cornerback... they knew they may ahve to buy another QB. It all makes sense now,I look for them to negoitate fro Gannon, but he may be too expensive.But a George for Fiedler deal suddenly makes some sense.Gambino, that must have been another General. General Dip Schit or General Tso or General Mayonaise. Certainly NOT me.
General Malaise
Footballguy
I'll make my standard wager with my good buddies...A $50 dinner tab at the losers expense upon any cornholing that takes place with no expiration date attached.There not gonna sign another QB. It makes no sense. Deals are restructured all the time. Henson's contract isn't going to be the factor that decides the fate of the QB play in 2004.GM, I take that bet. Here's why:1. Dallas knows they cannot rely on Testaverde for 16+ games.2. Henson WILL NOT play more than 15% of snaps this year. If he does, his contract reverts from a 5 year deal to a 3 year deal. No way shrewd Jerry and Bill a llow a potential franchise QB to slice off the last 2 years of his contract.SO unless ROmo is good for 5-7 starts, DAllas needs another QB body.Also, remember the boys are WAY under the cap. This is not a coincidence. They knew of Carter's hisrtory and left oney in the bank, just in case. Now we see why they have not yet bought a cornerback... they knew they may ahve to buy another QB. It all makes sense now,I look for them to negoitate fro Gannon, but he may be too expensive.But a George for Fiedler deal suddenly makes some sense.Gambino, that must have been another General. General Dip Schit or General Tso or General Mayonaise. Certainly NOT me.
cosjobs
Footballguy
SOunds good to me. Although its hard to get a good seafood dinner for that price, I'm willing to go for a steak. The contract was done about six months ago, quite a bit early for a restructure, IMO.I'll make my standard wager with my good buddies...A $50 dinner tab at the losers expense upon any cornholing that takes place with no expiration date attached.There not gonna sign another QB. It makes no sense. Deals are restructured all the time. Henson's contract isn't going to be the factor that decides the fate of the QB play in 2004.GM, I take that bet. Here's why:1. Dallas knows they cannot rely on Testaverde for 16+ games.2. Henson WILL NOT play more than 15% of snaps this year. If he does, his contract reverts from a 5 year deal to a 3 year deal. No way shrewd Jerry and Bill a llow a potential franchise QB to slice off the last 2 years of his contract.SO unless ROmo is good for 5-7 starts, DAllas needs another QB body.Also, remember the boys are WAY under the cap. This is not a coincidence. They knew of Carter's hisrtory and left oney in the bank, just in case. Now we see why they have not yet bought a cornerback... they knew they may ahve to buy another QB. It all makes sense now,I look for them to negoitate fro Gannon, but he may be too expensive.But a George for Fiedler deal suddenly makes some sense.Gambino, that must have been another General. General Dip Schit or General Tso or General Mayonaise. Certainly NOT me.
TwinTurbo
Footballguy
I personally think Q.Carter was the worst starting QB in the NFL since he was drafted. Worse than Brees, worse than Kordell, worse than everyone else. The guy just doesn't have it. Parcells made him look good a few games but Carter is what he is. And that's not good enough in the NFL. It was barely good enough for him in college.Bottom line is that Testaverde and Henson are better than Carter. Henson could start now and run the offense just as well. The Cowboys did the right thing for the future.
General Malaise
Footballguy
when you travel up to Portland, the 50 bucks will buy the steak dinner AND 2 lap dances.SOunds good to me. Although its hard to get a good seafood dinner for that price, I'm willing to go for a steak. The contract was done about six months ago, quite a bit early for a restructure, IMO.I'll make my standard wager with my good buddies...A $50 dinner tab at the losers expense upon any cornholing that takes place with no expiration date attached.There not gonna sign another QB. It makes no sense. Deals are restructured all the time. Henson's contract isn't going to be the factor that decides the fate of the QB play in 2004.GM, I take that bet. Here's why:1. Dallas knows they cannot rely on Testaverde for 16+ games.2. Henson WILL NOT play more than 15% of snaps this year. If he does, his contract reverts from a 5 year deal to a 3 year deal. No way shrewd Jerry and Bill a llow a potential franchise QB to slice off the last 2 years of his contract.SO unless ROmo is good for 5-7 starts, DAllas needs another QB body.Also, remember the boys are WAY under the cap. This is not a coincidence. They knew of Carter's hisrtory and left oney in the bank, just in case. Now we see why they have not yet bought a cornerback... they knew they may ahve to buy another QB. It all makes sense now,I look for them to negoitate fro Gannon, but he may be too expensive.But a George for Fiedler deal suddenly makes some sense.Gambino, that must have been another General. General Dip Schit or General Tso or General Mayonaise. Certainly NOT me.
cosjobs
Footballguy
I was assuming winner picked location. Lots of good steaks and lap dances in Austin.when you travel up to Portland, the 50 bucks will buy the steak dinner AND 2 lap dances.SOunds good to me. Although its hard to get a good seafood dinner for that price, I'm willing to go for a steak. The contract was done about six months ago, quite a bit early for a restructure, IMO.I'll make my standard wager with my good buddies...A $50 dinner tab at the losers expense upon any cornholing that takes place with no expiration date attached.There not gonna sign another QB. It makes no sense. Deals are restructured all the time. Henson's contract isn't going to be the factor that decides the fate of the QB play in 2004.GM, I take that bet. Here's why:1. Dallas knows they cannot rely on Testaverde for 16+ games.2. Henson WILL NOT play more than 15% of snaps this year. If he does, his contract reverts from a 5 year deal to a 3 year deal. No way shrewd Jerry and Bill a llow a potential franchise QB to slice off the last 2 years of his contract.SO unless ROmo is good for 5-7 starts, DAllas needs another QB body.Also, remember the boys are WAY under the cap. This is not a coincidence. They knew of Carter's hisrtory and left oney in the bank, just in case. Now we see why they have not yet bought a cornerback... they knew they may ahve to buy another QB. It all makes sense now,I look for them to negoitate fro Gannon, but he may be too expensive.But a George for Fiedler deal suddenly makes some sense.Gambino, that must have been another General. General Dip Schit or General Tso or General Mayonaise. Certainly NOT me.
RAIDERNATION.
Footballguy
The Cowboys are such a dysfunctional franchise.
