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Art Vandalay

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I haven't heard much about him since the draft.

Is he still holding out?

I believe he should be able to be the main redzone recieving threat in SF this year and would use a late round pick on him but want to make sure he plans on playing and is at camp.

Thanks

 
Pass on this money whore, Drafted 10 but wants top 5 money, what a joke. Falling way behind after not particpating in mini-camps, OTA's and training camp.

The Press Democrat reports there's nothing new to report on ther status of unsigned 49ers rookie WR Michael Crabtree. The sides are still far apart in the general philosophy of what draft pick WR Michael Crabtree should receive. Should he get money slotted for the No. 10 pick? Or should he get money approaching what a top-five pick should receive? If the 49ers stray from the slotting procedure, it could spell long-term consequences for the organization and upset the system - however flawed it might be - for the rest of the NFL. Crabtree is living in the Bay Area, but there has been no progress made on contract talks. Wouldn't you think he would want to be on the field practicing against the Raiders in Napa in two weeks?

 
I don't care if he holds out the whole Pre-season, I'm still taking him if I get the chance.

 
Source: Parker tells Niners that Crabtree will re-enter draft

Posted by Mike Florio on August 6, 2009 11:52 AM ET

The situation in San Francisco between the 49ers and receiver Michael Crabtree is quickly going from bad to worse.

Per a league source, agent Eugene Parker is telling the 49ers that Crabtree will sit out the season re-enter the draft in 2010, unless the team gives Crabtree what he wants.

Of course, what Crabtree specifically wants isn't known, since Parker (as multiple sources tell us) still hasn't made a proposal.

There's also a growing chorus of league insiders who are speaking out against the widely-believed effort by Parker to blow up the slotting process with Crabtree. Teams obviously would contend that the unwritten rules of draft-pick negotiation ritual should be honored; however, some of the agents who arguably would benefit from the introduction of chaos privately have described efforts to blow the curve as "inappropriate" and "unacceptable" and "wrong."

And if Crabtree opts to re-enter the draft next year, the current thinking is that he wouldn't be the first receiver drafted. For now, the guy who is regarded as likely to be the first wideout (and possibly the first overall pick) is Illinois junior Arrelious Benn.

Then again, if Crabtree is picked any higher than No. 10 after having a chance to engage in pre-draft workouts, he'd likely end up with more money than the slotting process currently would pay.

After, of course, waiting a year to get it.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2009/...re-enter-draft/

 
curious as to what grounds his agent has for wanting top 5 money. He could argue that he was top 5 of many teams' draft boards, but using that logic if a guy is percieved as a reach by a team and drafted too early, does that mean they should be paid less?

 
I'm a big Niners homer and I would love for us to sign Crabtree and have him turn into a stud. HOWEVER, if he is going to hold out for top 5 money he can go screw himself. We have enough other weapons that we should be able to manage. Yet another bust won't kill our Super Bowl aspirations this season.

And :lmao: if he somehow thinks he would get drafted even HIGHER next season.

I think most Niners fans are like myself: we'll welcome him with open arms if/when he comes in and if he starts performing. If he sits out the season or becomes a bust, he'll be despised for life.

 
IMO being a rookie ur 1st training camp is very important for a litany of reasons. If Crabtree rly wants to b there he shud tell Parker either get me signed now for a little more than the #10 pick from last year or ur fired. Trying to "break the bank" or "break the slotted system" is a waste of valuable time for Crabtree and Parker. I'm rly surprised all draftees don't wanna b in camp when it starts and demand it from the agent.

 
Parker tells Niners that Crabtree will re-enter draftAnd if Crabtree opts to re-enter the draft next year, the current thinking is that he wouldn't be the first receiver drafted. For now, the guy who is regarded as likely to be the first wideout (and possibly the first overall pick) is Illinois junior Arrelious Benn.
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Dez Bryant > Arrelious Benn
 
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This guy is his own worst enemy. Probably a good part of the reason why he “dropped” so far was because of his attitude, which at this point might even be worse than feared – if anything, he probably should have dropped even further. I’m certainly guessing SF would have passed on him if they could have known when they were picking that he was going to play these type of games. If he holds out this year, I couldn’t see anyone drafting him in the top 2 rounds without working out his contract demands first, which I believe by rule would have to be done on the clock if it was any other club beside the one owning the top pick – in short, if he doesn’t lessen his demands, it probably isn’t happening.

If I was SF (or any other club with a 1st round holdout for that matter) I’d start dropping my offers, because the longer that rookie player holds out the less chance he has to contribute anything at all this year. I really think that should be taken into account when the contracts are being offered. I imagine it’s a tough thing for a club to do, though, because unfortunately so few teams have done that.

 
As bad as Crabtree is, at least his agent isn't a chicken. So tired of all of these 10-15 guys who won't negotiate until everyone else around them is signed. So you end up with everyone sitting around waiting for everyone else to sign just so their agent doesn't loom bad. Total garbage.

 
The agent is killing his client. Crabtree isn't likely to be drafted in the top 20 or maybe even the first ROUND if he sits out a year.

 
A lot of overreaction in here.

Only 4 of the top 12 picks in the draft have signed.

From Crabtree's perspective he would be an idiot not to get a deal done. A year out of football would pay him nothing for this season and almost certainely drop his stock. People have short memories and being out of the limelight a year ain't going to make him more attractive to teams.

From San Fran's perscpetive, they'd also be idiots not to get something done. For a franchise that has been down for a number of years, you just don't throw away a top ten pick; it would put them back at least another 2-3 years, if not more. Add on top of that the loss of revenue from losing a big-name player and the fans reaction, it won't happen.

In the end, the deal will get done; probably at right about the money it should, and both sides will make up and all will be forgotten by week one.

 
identikit said:
Then again, if Crabtree is picked any higher than No. 10 after having a chance to engage in pre-draft workouts, he'd likely end up with more money than the slotting process currently would pay.After, of course, waiting a year to get it.
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I believe he will never get back the 2009 money he will lose by waiting for the 2010 draft. Not to mention the risk of injury and very real risk of falling out of the top 10 picks next year.
 
To me, it's not even about the money if he is foolish enough to sit out. A year away from the game, especially when transitioning from college to pro football, is bordering on career suicide. He's a very nice talent at WR, but he's not that good to sit out a year. Training costs money. Training with people that can really teach him how to make the transition will really cost him. Not sure anyone will want to offer their services in this kind of arrangement.

Again, probably too early to speculate but I can't help myself....funny how Percy Harvin is the guy no GM wants to touch pre-draft and Crabtree is the consensus top receiver off the board with a great work ethic and slight maturity issues, but now Harvin is in camp and Crabtree is pouting. Harvin is the one rocked up and ready to go. Crabtree was on ESPN and in their mag with home cookin' and rehabbing on the Pizza Hut diet :toilet:

 
Casting Couch said:
identikit said:
Then again, if Crabtree is picked any higher than No. 10 after having a chance to engage in pre-draft workouts, he'd likely end up with more money than the slotting process currently would pay.

After, of course, waiting a year to get it.
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I believe he will never get back the 2009 money he will lose by waiting for the 2010 draft. Not to mention the risk of injury and very real risk of falling out of the top 10 picks next year.
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How will this ploy look if they negotiate a slotted draft value in these negotiations? The guy sits out a year and gains no experience, faces no competition, loses his competitive edge (not his desire to compete but the edge gained from competing) and loses face in the eyes of some of the ownership group. Cue up The Dead's "Loser" on your I-Pod folks.....

 
Matt Waldman said:
Again, probably too early to speculate but I can't help myself....funny how Percy Harvin is the guy no GM wants to touch pre-draft and Crabtree is the consensus top receiver off the board with a great work ethic and slight maturity issues, but now Harvin is in camp and Crabtree is pouting. Harvin is the one rocked up and ready to go. Crabtree was on ESPN and in their mag with home cookin' and rehabbing on the Pizza Hut diet :)
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:thumbup: Crabtree had red flags popping up left and right prior to the draft and his value fell because of it.
 
Two Deep said:
Pass on this money whore, Drafted 10 but wants top 5 money, what a joke. Falling way behind after not particpating in mini-camps, OTA's and training camp.

The Press Democrat reports there's nothing new to report on ther status of unsigned 49ers rookie WR Michael Crabtree. The sides are still far apart in the general philosophy of what draft pick WR Michael Crabtree should receive. Should he get money slotted for the No. 10 pick? Or should he get money approaching what a top-five pick should receive? If the 49ers stray from the slotting procedure, it could spell long-term consequences for the organization and upset the system - however flawed it might be - for the rest of the NFL. Crabtree is living in the Bay Area, but there has been no progress made on contract talks. Wouldn't you think he would want to be on the field practicing against the Raiders in Napa in two weeks?
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He should want to be in camp learning the system and looking to get better. The kid has a whole lot of things to work on. This isn't college and TT where the offense revolves around throwing a bunch of high percentage passes to him in a spread formation. This is the big leagues and this kid's approach and attitude so far is not boding well for him in his transition to the pro game. This situation is making him look like a diva and self-absorbed person.....which were some of the concerns regarding him entering the draft.I don't think he should be concerned much about practicing against the Raiders. If he's going to be focused on what the Raiders and DHB are doing, then this points to more signs of his immaturity. It's not like he would do much vs Asomugha anyway. Although DHB has had plenty of struggles to-date with the dropsies, he is also reaping significant benefits towards being able to contribute this season by being on the field and in camp.

Kid, you're the 10th pick in the draft, come to grips with it. Sign a contract commensurate with the slot you were selected and get on the field and be a player. If I were a believer in this player, I'd see this attitude as a major red flag and cause for concern.

 
:thumbup:

LMAO @ waiting a year and not playing at all. Many of the teams will be turned off by hearing that he wanted top 3 pay, when he was drafted 10th. Like waiting year is going to make another team think he's worth top dollar when he hasn't played and maybe not taken in 2010's top 3? Even if we pretend that he goes top 3 next year, what is to stop the agent from saying...well, he's really a 1 year vet and he needs to be compensated for the one year. It goes on and on!

Crabtree seemed like he was the REAL thing. Great player, great attitude, good kid...whole package! As the draft got near, he's comes across as much more of a primo dona. Seemed grateful that SF picked him, but now seems to have forgotten to be grateful all together with making a threat of sitting out and going back in the draft. Someone needs to hit the young kid upside his head and give him a serious talk. First thing needed, FIRE HIS AGENT. It appears plenty more to follow after...stay tuned for more of Idiot R Us.

 
Crabtree doesn't have much leverage here, which explains why rookies are underpaid. I don't blame him for wanting to make more money (how could you blame someone for that?) but I don't think he's doing himself any favors. I suspect he'll end up signing a pick worth slightly better than expected money for the #10 pick, but not for a few more weeks. Going into the draft next year would be a terrible career move, even if he went to play in the UFL for a year.

 
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I remember watching a short video of Crabtree's prep prior the draft. More of a human interest piece I suppose.

One thing I took from it is I got the feeling he had some people around him that would end up hurting his chances.

Looks to be true, so far...

 
Chase Stuart said:
Crabtree doesn't have much leverage here, which explains why rookies are underpaid.
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:P Jake Long received a rookie contract worth 57 MIL, 30MIL guaranteed last year.I don't think rookies are underpaid at all. Many 1st round picks are making more money without ever setting foot on an NFL field, than similar position players with solid NFL production year in and year out.
 
Chase Stuart said:
Crabtree doesn't have much leverage here, which explains why rookies are underpaid. I don't blame him for wanting to make more money (how could you blame someone for that?) but I don't think he's doing himself any favors. I suspect he'll end up signing a pick worth slightly better than expected money for the #10 pick, but not for a few more weeks. Going into the draft next year would be a terrible career move, even if he went to play in the UFL for a year.
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What?
 
Threatening to re-enter the draft is the only leverage he has and there is no official slotting rule. It is just a guideline. I think he is being greedy and it might hurt his image, but that's business.

 
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If he sits out a year and enters next year's draft, there may be 2 or 3 WRs that are better than him in the 2010 draft. What does he think that will do for his $$$$ situation?

Dez Bryant

Arrelious Benn

Michael Crabtree

Damian Williams

Brandon LaFell

Golden Tate

Edited to correct Dez Bryant. I can't believe I said Dez White initially. I hope that wasn't a jinx to him. At least I had it right in an earlier post :lmao:

 
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Supposedly, Eugene Parker was able to sign Crabtree with a guarantee that he'd get him into the Top 5. Since he fell to #10, this is Parker's ploy to get him the money that he essentially promised him so that he doesn't lose him as a client.

Parker screwed up and is now desperately trying to make some cash.

And, Parker/Crabtree are not the first guys that have tried to get their clients more money than their draft slot. This happens with QBs quite a bit.

 
JohnnyU said:
If he sits out a year and enters next year's draft, there may be 2 or 3 WRs that are better than him in the 2010 draft. What does he think that will do for his $$$$ situation?Dez WhiteArrelious BennMichael CrabtreeDamian WilliamsBrandon LaFellGolden Tate
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Dez White sucked when he was with the Bears and Falcons :shrug:
 
GDogg said:
Supposedly, Eugene Parker was able to sign Crabtree with a guarantee that he'd get him into the Top 5. Since he fell to #10, this is Parker's ploy to get him the money that he essentially promised him so that he doesn't lose him as a client.

Parker screwed up and is now desperately trying to make some cash.

And, Parker/Crabtree are not the first guys that have tried to get their clients more money than their draft slot. This happens with QBs quite a bit.
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Pk Player Pos. Team Status Contract 1. Matthew Stafford QB Detroit Signed 6 years, $72 million ($41.7M guaranteed)

2. Jason Smith OT St. Louis Signed 5 years, $61.775 million ($33M guaranteed)

3. Tyson Jackson DE Kansas City Unsigned

4. Aaron Curry LB Seattle Unsigned

5. Mark Sanchez QB N.Y. Jets Signed 5 years, $60 million ($28M guaranteed)

6. Andre Smith OT Cincinnati Unsigned

7. Darrius Heyward-Bey WR Oakland Signed 5 years, $38.25 million ($23.5M guaranteed)

8. Eugene Monroe OT Jacksonville Unsigned

9. B.J. Raji DT Green Bay Unsigned

10. Michael Crabtree WR San Francisco Unsigned

11. Aaron Maybin DE Buffalo Unsigned

12. Knowshon Moreno RB Denver Unsigned

13. Brian Orakpo DE Washington Signed 5 years, $20 million ($12.1M guaranteed)

14. Malcolm Jenkins CB New Orleans Unsigned

15. Brian Cushing LB Houston Signed 5 years, $14 million ($10.44M guaranteed)

16. Larry English DE San Diego Signed 5 years, $17.8 million ($9.9M guaranteed)

17. Josh Freeman QB Tampa Bay Signed 5 years, $36 million (10.25M guaranteed)

18. Robert Ayers LB Denver Signed 5 years

19. Jeremy Maclin WR Philadelphia Signed 5 years, $15.5 million ($9.5M guaranteed)

20. Brandon Pettigrew TE Detroit Signed 5 years, $14.6 million ($9.4M guaranteed)

21. Alex Mack C Cleveland Signed 5 years, $15 million ($8.3M guaranteed)

22. Percy Harvin WR Minnesota Signed 5 years, $14.25 million ($8.4M guaranteed)

23. Michael Oher OT Baltimore Signed 5 years, $13 million ($7.82M guaranteed)

24. Peria Jerry DT Atlanta Signed 5 years, $13.25 million ($7.55M guaranteed)

25. Vontae Davis CB Miami Signed 5 years, $13.3 million ($7.35M guaranteed)

26. Clay Matthews LB Green Bay Signed 5 years, $13.2 million ($7.1M guaranteed)

27. Donald Brown RB Indianapolis Signed 5 years, $12.8 million ($6.8M guaranteed)

28. Eric Wood C Buffalo Signed 5 years, $13 million ($6.5M guaranteed)

29. Hakeem Nicks WR N.Y. Giants Signed 5 years, $12.54 million ($6M guaranteed)

30. Kenny Britt WR Tennessee Signed 5 years, $12.25 million ($6.5M guaranteed)

31. Chris "Beanie" Wells RB Arizona Signed 5 years, $11.8 million ($6.345M guaranteed)

32. Evander "Ziggy" Hood DT Pittsburgh Signed 5 years, $11.3 million ($6.1M guaranteed)

 
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lod01 said:
Chase Stuart said:
finito said:
Chase Stuart said:
Crabtree doesn't have much leverage here, which explains why rookies are underpaid.
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Do you really think so?
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Do you think Crabtree has leverage here?
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Leverage = ZERO. If this guy holds out, come next year, when Arrelious Benn, Dez Bryant Brandon LaFell and other big name WR are available, he will wonder why he picked an idiot of an agent and dropped like a rock in the 2010 draft.
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Not only that, but isn't there going to be a rookie cap starting next year?
 
Chase Stuart said:
Crabtree doesn't have much leverage here, which explains why rookies are underpaid. I don't blame him for wanting to make more money (how could you blame someone for that?) but I don't think he's doing himself any favors. I suspect he'll end up signing a pick worth slightly better than expected money for the #10 pick, but not for a few more weeks. Going into the draft next year would be a terrible career move, even if he went to play in the UFL for a year.
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You have got to be kidding. If anything rookies are wayyyy overpaid. They have done nothing as a pro and make more than most vets.
 
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