Crazy Video of Bikers vs SUV (1 Viewer)

[Jewell]

If only the unfortunate family in the SUV had this inexpensive modification...

Flamethrower now an option on S. African cars

JOHANNESBURG, South Africa (CNN) -- Crime-obsessed South Africans have a powerful new weapon with which to stop likely criminals: the car flamethrower.

Casting a man-high fireball, reportedly with no damage to the paint, the Blaster has been placed on 25 South African vehicles since its introduction last month.

At 3,900 rand ($655), it offers a cheap, dramatic defense against carjackers. It has yet to be deemed illegal.

South African courts allow killing if convinced that it's in self-defense. The defense is not unheard of. In last year's 13,000 carjackings, criminals often brandished weapons or used them with little provocation.

The Blaster squirts liquefied gas from a bottle in the automobile's trunk through two nozzles, located under the front doors. The gas is then ignited by an electric spark, with fiery consequences.

Both sides flame at the same time, regardless of whether the attack is coming from just one side of the vehicle, or whether passersby are on the other side. But the breadth and depth of blast can be modified according to individual preference.

Note: Apologies in advance to those who for some unknown reason feel squeamish about news emanating from Africa.

Install a Nahverteidigungwaffe on top of that =

The picture of The Blaster in action is awesome. http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-yWKkO_cgOYc/UEtZHz_GHLI/AAAAAAAAAQY/5dXWr8G34i8/s1600/blasteryes.jpg

Now imagine the bikers who smashed out the SUVs windows being completely unaware that they were about to be Blasted.

 

[matuski]

To all you people saying run them ovet don't shoot them....what if you start running them over and they start shooting at you....

Run over more.

 

[5Rings]

I think the FFA is being too harsh on the bikers.

 

[dozer]

It feels inappropriate calling these guys bikers. Is there another term so we don't confuse them with real bikers?

 

[5 digit know nothing]

This is why you need a conceal & carry permit and guns!

Yes start a gun fight with your family in the car while you are massively outnumbered. Better off sticking to SUV as weapon until the police catch up. 911 is your best friend here.

Typical B.S. response, wait for the police to arrive. How did that turn out for him after they slashed his tires?

The crew then beat the man in front of his wife and child, police sources said.

The victim was rushed to Columbia Presbyterian Hospital with two black eyes, and also needed stitches on his face and chest.

You do realize he wouldn't necessarily need to fire his weapon to defend himself, his wife or his child.

He could just smack them over the head with the butt? His gun turns into a phone and he can call the police? Are you suggesting that he will intimidate the biker gang by waving his gun around and they all go home? Wacky gun nut logic.

Yes I am, are you assuming that every incident involving a gun requires someone to die?

I'm not assuming anything. If a gun gets pulled, someone could die. If he doesn't shoot, and just shakes it around trying to scare someone, one of the thugs might just take it away and shove it up his ###.

Yep someone could die, you, your wife and your 5 year old daughter. Your irrational fear of guns and of people shaking them in the air which is clearly the smart thing to do coming from someone that has never handled a firearm before and then fearing a thug will take it out of your hands since they don't fear getting shot because they are hopped up on meth and shoving it up your ### is about the worst argument in this thread. Almost as bad as saying 5% of the thugs could have guns AND choose not to shoot you for running over and possibly killing one of their buddies BUT they would choose to use it if you pulled out your own gun since clearly killing someone with a gun is worse than running over and killing someone with your 2.5 ton SUV.

 

[Thunderlips]

Guy should have signaled right and then went left.

 

[Judge Smails]

I would have never stopped. Wish he would have run a bunch over, mangling them, then was able to call 911 and have cops actually respond. Bikers would scream for prosecution to no avail. Except several of them would be busted for a big meth ring. That would have been a cool story.

 

[dozer]

This is why you need a conceal & carry permit and guns!

Yes start a gun fight with your family in the car while you are massively outnumbered. Better off sticking to SUV as weapon until the police catch up. 911 is your best friend here.

Typical B.S. response, wait for the police to arrive. How did that turn out for him after they slashed his tires?

The crew then beat the man in front of his wife and child, police sources said.

The victim was rushed to Columbia Presbyterian Hospital with two black eyes, and also needed stitches on his face and chest.

You do realize he wouldn't necessarily need to fire his weapon to defend himself, his wife or his child.

He could just smack them over the head with the butt? His gun turns into a phone and he can call the police? Are you suggesting that he will intimidate the biker gang by waving his gun around and they all go home? Wacky gun nut logic.

Yes I am, are you assuming that every incident involving a gun requires someone to die?

I'm not assuming anything. If a gun gets pulled, someone could die. If he doesn't shoot, and just shakes it around trying to scare someone, one of the thugs might just take it away and shove it up his ###.

Yep someone could die, you, your wife and your 5 year old daughter. Your irrational fear of guns and of people shaking them in the air which is clearly the smart thing to do coming from someone that has never handled a firearm before and then fearing a thug will take it out of your hands since they don't fear getting shot because they are hopped up on meth and shoving it up your ### is about the worst argument in this thread. Almost as bad as saying 5% of the thugs could have guns AND choose not to shoot you for running over and possibly killing one of their buddies BUT they would choose to use it if you pulled out your own gun since clearly killing someone with a gun is worse than running over and killing someone with your 2.5 ton SUV.

You’re the one who said you could gain control of the situation by pulling your weapon, but not have to fire a shot. If you pull your gun, and aren’t planning on shooting someone in that situation you are bluffing. You’re the one putting other innocent people at risk.

I would not have been trapped in traffic like that guy. You’re the one who put yourself in that situation and said you’d pull your smoke wagon but maybe not shoot.

What if instead they try to take your gun? You ready to blast away Mr. Hatfield? If you pull that gun you’d better be ready to use it. I don’t have a fear of guns, but I don’t want to kill anyone, and I don’t think you do either. I think you’re a big talker.

 

[CletiusMaximus]

I would have shot them and driven over them, then busted all of them for meth, then gone to their homes and shot all their thug friends and thug families and driven over them, then had all their thug friends and thug families also busted for meth.

 

[5 digit know nothing]

Yep someone could die, you, your wife and your 5 year old daughter. Your irrational fear of guns and of people shaking them in the air which is clearly the smart thing to do coming from someone that has never handled a firearm before and then fearing a thug will take it out of your hands since they don't fear getting shot because they are hopped up on meth and shoving it up your ### is about the worst argument in this thread. Almost as bad as saying 5% of the thugs could have guns AND choose not to shoot you for running over and possibly killing one of their buddies BUT they would choose to use it if you pulled out your own gun since clearly killing someone with a gun is worse than running over and killing someone with your 2.5 ton SUV.

You’re the one who said you could gain control of the situation by pulling your weapon, but not have to fire a shot. If you pull your gun, and aren’t planning on shooting someone in that situation you are bluffing. You’re the one putting other innocent people at risk.

I would not have been trapped in traffic like that guy. You’re the one who put yourself in that situation and said you’d pull your smoke wagon but maybe not shoot.

What if instead they try to take your gun? You ready to blast away Mr. Hatfield? If you pull that gun you’d better be ready to use it. I don’t have a fear of guns, but I don’t want to kill anyone, and I don’t think you do either. I think you’re a big talker.

You call 911 and they instruct you to drive to the nearest precinct, you are going to have the foresight to see this coming and ignore the operator and keep driving through Harlem? How about when you hit traffic? You can't say you wouldn't have been trapped in traffic because you have no ####### clue.

Yes you do have a fear of guns. To say you would rather have this jackass and his friends slit your tires, break your window, pull you out of your car and beat the #### out of you and not know what might happen to your wife and your daughter....ok. You must be a pacifist, nothing wrong with that. I'd rather have a gun. Might I have to shoot someone? Yes. Might someone die? Yes. Rather them than me or my wife, or my daughter, anyone that says otherwise is afraid of guns.

 

[Dr Oadi]

I would have shot them and driven over them, then busted all of them for meth, then gone to their homes and shot all their thug friends and thug families and driven over them, then had all their thug friends and thug families also busted for meth.

You are a ##### for letting their dogs cats and goldfish get away unscathed.

 

[dozer]

Yep someone could die, you, your wife and your 5 year old daughter. Your irrational fear of guns and of people shaking them in the air which is clearly the smart thing to do coming from someone that has never handled a firearm before and then fearing a thug will take it out of your hands since they don't fear getting shot because they are hopped up on meth and shoving it up your ### is about the worst argument in this thread. Almost as bad as saying 5% of the thugs could have guns AND choose not to shoot you for running over and possibly killing one of their buddies BUT they would choose to use it if you pulled out your own gun since clearly killing someone with a gun is worse than running over and killing someone with your 2.5 ton SUV.

You’re the one who said you could gain control of the situation by pulling your weapon, but not have to fire a shot. If you pull your gun, and aren’t planning on shooting someone in that situation you are bluffing. You’re the one putting other innocent people at risk.

I would not have been trapped in traffic like that guy. You’re the one who put yourself in that situation and said you’d pull your smoke wagon but maybe not shoot.

What if instead they try to take your gun? You ready to blast away Mr. Hatfield? If you pull that gun you’d better be ready to use it. I don’t have a fear of guns, but I don’t want to kill anyone, and I don’t think you do either. I think you’re a big talker.

You call 911 and they instruct you to drive to the nearest precinct, you are going to have the foresight to see this coming and ignore the operator and keep driving through Harlem? How about when you hit traffic? You can't say you wouldn't have been trapped in traffic because you have no ####### clue.

Yes you do have a fear of guns. To say you would rather have this jackass and his friends slit your tires, break your window, pull you out of your car and beat the #### out of you and not know what might happen to your wife and your daughter....ok. You must be a pacifist, nothing wrong with that. I'd rather have a gun. Might I have to shoot someone? Yes. Might someone die? Yes. Rather them than me or my wife, or my daughter, anyone that says otherwise is afraid of guns.

I have a huge gang of ninja’s following me, I just ran over one of their buddies, and I’m going to take the exit ramp into the city? Yes, I have a clue. I’m not doing it. I tell 911 they don’t understand the situation and tell them I’ll run over twenty more of them before I give them a chance to stop me. What the hell! I’m just going to let the whole bunch of rice grinders pass instead of trying to merge in with them!

I’ve shot lots of guns. I have a healthy respect for them. I don’t fear the ones I see and in the hands of people I know. I fear you with a gun though. I think you’re likely to break one out at the wrong time because you’ve convinced yourself you’re prepared to make the split decision to take a life or put those around you in danger.

 

[5 digit know nothing]

NY Times

 

[johnnycakes]

Kind of reminds me of greasy hippies getting run over by agitated motorists.

And, no, those weren't real bikers. scooter riders, perhaps.

 

[ILUVBEER99]

Wow, some would pull a gun in this situation? That almost guarantees you getting shot. I'm pretty sure there are multiple guns held by these dooshbags in the crotch rocket biker gang.

I'll take my chances getting beat to a pulp over getting shot.

 

[5 digit know nothing]

I have a huge gang of ninja’s following me, I just ran over one of their buddies, and I’m going to take the exit ramp into the city? Yes, I have a clue. I’m not doing it. I tell 911 they don’t understand the situation and tell them I’ll run over twenty more of them before I give them a chance to stop me. What the hell! I’m just going to let the whole bunch of rice grinders pass instead of trying to merge in with them!

I’ve shot lots of guns. I have a healthy respect for them. I don’t fear the ones I see and in the hands of people I know. I fear you with a gun though. I think you’re likely to break one out at the wrong time because you’ve convinced yourself you’re prepared to make the split decision to take a life or put those around you in danger.

Yeah you don't need a gun to protect you and your family because your crystal ball says you will never be put into a situation where you need one, you see this incident as easily avoidable due to mistakes this guy made, you never would have hit traffic, ok.

I guess you'd rather the bikers incapacitate you and cut your wife and daughter rather than be in a position to defend yourself and family, you're my hero.

 

[5 digit know nothing]

Wow, some would pull a gun in this situation? That almost guarantees you getting shot. I'm pretty sure there are multiple guns held by these dooshbags in the crotch rocket biker gang.

I'll take my chances getting beat to a pulp over getting shot.

But running over and breaking their legs doesn't guarantee you get shot?

 

[ILUVBEER99]

Wow, some would pull a gun in this situation? That almost guarantees you getting shot. I'm pretty sure there are multiple guns held by these dooshbags in the crotch rocket biker gang.

I'll take my chances getting beat to a pulp over getting shot.

But running over and breaking their legs doesn't guarantee you get shot?

Obviously the guy didn't get shot, so no.

If he pulls a gun the biker guys probably end up shooting. As it was the driver wasn't an immediate threat and they only beat him.

Personally I don't have or want a gun, but if others feel they need one go for it, I don't care.

I just don't see how it would have helped the guy in this situation, more likely would have made it worse.

 

[Jewell]

Identity and picture of SUV driver revealed...

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2438620/Shocking-video-Range-Rover-crashing-bikers-surround-vehicle-annual-street-ride.html

 

[DrJ]

scary stuff. think i'd obviously call 911 like he did, stay on the highway and drive slowly swerving back and forth on the rims if i had to.

It doesn't look like staying on the highway was much of an option for him. To me it looks like they created a wall to force him to either exit or run over some bikers. He obviously should have chose option 2, but it seems like this guy was a bit of a softie.

 

[dozer]

I have a huge gang of ninja’s following me, I just ran over one of their buddies, and I’m going to take the exit ramp into the city? Yes, I have a clue. I’m not doing it. I tell 911 they don’t understand the situation and tell them I’ll run over twenty more of them before I give them a chance to stop me. What the hell! I’m just going to let the whole bunch of rice grinders pass instead of trying to merge in with them!

I’ve shot lots of guns. I have a healthy respect for them. I don’t fear the ones I see and in the hands of people I know. I fear you with a gun though. I think you’re likely to break one out at the wrong time because you’ve convinced yourself you’re prepared to make the split decision to take a life or put those around you in danger.

Yeah you don't need a gun to protect you and your family because your crystal ball says you will never be put into a situation where you need one, you see this incident as easily avoidable due to mistakes this guy made, you never would have hit traffic, ok.

I guess you'd rather the bikers incapacitate you and cut your wife and daughter rather than be in a position to defend yourself and family, you're my hero.

They make movies out of what your crystal ball tells you. Its fantasy till it happens. Maybe you can kill all the ninjas with your internet balls. You’re making me root for the Motorcycle enthusiasts.

 

[Guest]

Ok, watched this again.

The guy he hit didn't brake check him. In fact I think the ####### thought he was clear of the SUV to the left and dropped the throttle and seemed to grab the brake perhaps to let SUV by. Note this dude who gets hit turns up with his bike in the last encounter so he and his bike were ok.

He's looking right at the SUV. He pulls ahead in his lane, looks back and intentionally slows down

I don't have a motocycle I ride bikes some. He first looks over his right shoulder right at the SUV. This look pulls the bike over to the right, which he may not have realized. This same thing happens to rookies on bicycles as well. When he starts the look back over his right shoulder he has clearance to the left of the SUV. By the time he looks back over his left shoulder he is damn near in the center of the lane and then slows a bunch but does begin clearing to the left of the lane, quickly. I also don't think he had LOS to the SUV while slowing down. His helmet would have reduced his vision.

I don't think this was a brake check imo. This was moto guy being a ####### imo.

He doesn't start clearing to the left while looking left and braking. If anything, he moves even a little further right towards the center of the lane.

Yeah, I just tried to look at it in the lens of what his intentions might have been. That's a real quick way to get killed so I really doubt he tried that stunt with the idea of backing up into him. We also don't see exactly the last few critical seconds or know if the SUV was braking through that whole scene.

I believe you are correct. Doosh nozzle is mugging for the camera. You don't take one hand off the bars when you are expecting to get bumped. Dumb ### didn't know how much clearance he had. Was this a planned stopping point? It's odd that bikers out in front had already stopped.

 

[STEADYMOBBIN 22]

This is why you need a conceal & carry permit and guns!

Yes start a gun fight with your family in the car while you are massively outnumbered. Better off sticking to SUV as weapon until the police catch up. 911 is your best friend here.

Typical B.S. response, wait for the police to arrive. How did that turn out for him after they slashed his tires?

The crew then beat the man in front of his wife and child, police sources said.

The victim was rushed to Columbia Presbyterian Hospital with two black eyes, and also needed stitches on his face and chest.

You do realize he wouldn't necessarily need to fire his weapon to defend himself, his wife or his child.

He could just smack them over the head with the butt? His gun turns into a phone and he can call the police? Are you suggesting that he will intimidate the biker gang by waving his gun around and they all go home? Wacky gun nut logic.

just take your beating like a man. hopefully they will just knock you unconscious, and that satisfies them.

Yea, hopefully.

You guys can call me all the names you like, but once that window was broken with the helmet- that dude would have gotten shot in his leg.

1 shot would have sent every one of those fools running. I hope it would have never come to that.

He should not have gotten off the highway. Maybe he thought they wouldn't follow.

On the flip side - what if he had just ran over a bunch of them - he'd be in jail for murder without any of his own video. His word against the word of 50+ bikers.

 

[ILUVBEER99]

This is why you need a conceal & carry permit and guns!

Yes start a gun fight with your family in the car while you are massively outnumbered. Better off sticking to SUV as weapon until the police catch up. 911 is your best friend here.

Typical B.S. response, wait for the police to arrive. How did that turn out for him after they slashed his tires?

The crew then beat the man in front of his wife and child, police sources said.

The victim was rushed to Columbia Presbyterian Hospital with two black eyes, and also needed stitches on his face and chest.

You do realize he wouldn't necessarily need to fire his weapon to defend himself, his wife or his child.

He could just smack them over the head with the butt? His gun turns into a phone and he can call the police? Are you suggesting that he will intimidate the biker gang by waving his gun around and they all go home? Wacky gun nut logic.

just take your beating like a man. hopefully they will just knock you unconscious, and that satisfies them.

Yea, hopefully..

1 shot would have sent every one of those fools running. I hope it would have never come to that.

.

Doubt it, mob mentality + they probably had guns of their own.

Shooting one of them increases the odds you get killed.

 

[STEADYMOBBIN 22]

This is why you need a conceal & carry permit and guns!

Yes start a gun fight with your family in the car while you are massively outnumbered. Better off sticking to SUV as weapon until the police catch up. 911 is your best friend here.

Typical B.S. response, wait for the police to arrive. How did that turn out for him after they slashed his tires?

The crew then beat the man in front of his wife and child, police sources said.

The victim was rushed to Columbia Presbyterian Hospital with two black eyes, and also needed stitches on his face and chest.

You do realize he wouldn't necessarily need to fire his weapon to defend himself, his wife or his child.

He could just smack them over the head with the butt? His gun turns into a phone and he can call the police? Are you suggesting that he will intimidate the biker gang by waving his gun around and they all go home? Wacky gun nut logic.

just take your beating like a man. hopefully they will just knock you unconscious, and that satisfies them.

Yea, hopefully..

1 shot would have sent every one of those fools running. I hope it would have never come to that.

.

Doubt it, mob mentality + they probably had guns of their own. Shooting one of them increases the odds you get killed.

I'd take those odds over getting dragged from the car and getting stomped to death in front of my child.

 

[5 digit know nothing]

People keep saying the bikers had their own guns. You do realize the police had checkpoints and were making regular arrests throughout the day since the bikers' plan was to go to Time Square. I guess you give these bikers 0 credit for having any common sense to be riding through the streets of Manhattan with an illegal firearm into known police checkpoints.

 

[5 digit know nothing]

I have a huge gang of ninja’s following me, I just ran over one of their buddies, and I’m going to take the exit ramp into the city? Yes, I have a clue. I’m not doing it. I tell 911 they don’t understand the situation and tell them I’ll run over twenty more of them before I give them a chance to stop me. What the hell! I’m just going to let the whole bunch of rice grinders pass instead of trying to merge in with them!

I’ve shot lots of guns. I have a healthy respect for them. I don’t fear the ones I see and in the hands of people I know. I fear you with a gun though. I think you’re likely to break one out at the wrong time because you’ve convinced yourself you’re prepared to make the split decision to take a life or put those around you in danger.

Yeah you don't need a gun to protect you and your family because your crystal ball says you will never be put into a situation where you need one, you see this incident as easily avoidable due to mistakes this guy made, you never would have hit traffic, ok.

I guess you'd rather the bikers incapacitate you and cut your wife and daughter rather than be in a position to defend yourself and family, you're my hero.

They make movies out of what your crystal ball tells you. Its fantasy till it happens. Maybe you can kill all the ninjas with your internet balls. You’re making me root for the Motorcycle enthusiasts.

Yep that's what I figured and you keep confirming it. This will never happen to you, it only happens in movies, you wouldn't have made the rookie mistakes this guy driving the Range Rover made, it is you that lives in fantasyland, it is your crystal ball, not mine. Keep up your irrational fear of guns and pray you never need to use one because your bull#### story is fooling nobody but yourself.

 

[ILUVBEER99]

People keep saying the bikers had their own guns. You do realize the police had checkpoints and were making regular arrests throughout the day since the bikers' plan was to go to Time Square. I guess you give these bikers 0 credit for having any common sense to be riding through the streets of Manhattan with an illegal firearm into known police checkpoints.

I wouldn't think you're in the wrong for pulling a gun when they tried to pull you out of the car, I just think it increases the chance you get yourself killed.

 

[Guest]

People keep saying the bikers had their own guns. You do realize the police had checkpoints and were making regular arrests throughout the day since the bikers' plan was to go to Time Square. I guess you give these bikers 0 credit for having any common sense to be riding through the streets of Manhattan with an illegal firearm into known police checkpoints.

Correct.

 

[johnnycakes]

This is why you need a conceal & carry permit and guns!

Yes start a gun fight with your family in the car while you are massively outnumbered. Better off sticking to SUV as weapon until the police catch up. 911 is your best friend here.

Typical B.S. response, wait for the police to arrive. How did that turn out for him after they slashed his tires?

The crew then beat the man in front of his wife and child, police sources said.

The victim was rushed to Columbia Presbyterian Hospital with two black eyes, and also needed stitches on his face and chest.

You do realize he wouldn't necessarily need to fire his weapon to defend himself, his wife or his child.

He could just smack them over the head with the butt? His gun turns into a phone and he can call the police? Are you suggesting that he will intimidate the biker gang by waving his gun around and they all go home? Wacky gun nut logic.

just take your beating like a man. hopefully they will just knock you unconscious, and that satisfies them.

Yea, hopefully..

1 shot would have sent every one of those fools running. I hope it would have never come to that.

.

Doubt it, mob mentality + they probably had guns of their own. Shooting one of them increases the odds you get killed.

Doubtful any of those ####### had a gun. Getting an LTC in NYC is darned near impossible. It would have been nice to see the SUV driver come out with a Mossberg 500 Zombie killer, though. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=orO74PmzlgY&sns=em

 

[T Bell]

This is why you need a conceal & carry permit and guns!

Yes start a gun fight with your family in the car while you are massively outnumbered. Better off sticking to SUV as weapon until the police catch up. 911 is your best friend here.

Typical B.S. response, wait for the police to arrive. How did that turn out for him after they slashed his tires?

The crew then beat the man in front of his wife and child, police sources said.

The victim was rushed to Columbia Presbyterian Hospital with two black eyes, and also needed stitches on his face and chest.

You do realize he wouldn't necessarily need to fire his weapon to defend himself, his wife or his child.

He could just smack them over the head with the butt? His gun turns into a phone and he can call the police? Are you suggesting that he will intimidate the biker gang by waving his gun around and they all go home? Wacky gun nut logic.

just take your beating like a man. hopefully they will just knock you unconscious, and that satisfies them.

Yea, hopefully..

1 shot would have sent every one of those fools running. I hope it would have never come to that.

.

Doubt it, mob mentality + they probably had guns of their own.Shooting one of them increases the odds you get killed.

I'd take those odds over getting dragged from the car and getting stomped to death in front of my child.

He wasn't stomped to death.

 

[Limp Ditka]

People keep saying the bikers had their own guns. You do realize the police had checkpoints and were making regular arrests throughout the day since the bikers' plan was to go to Time Square. I guess you give these bikers 0 credit for having any common sense to be riding through the streets of Manhattan with an illegal firearm into known police checkpoints.

Since some of the already met their broken law quota for the day with this....

Kelly said cops were trying to identify some of the bikers, but most of the motorcycles captured in the footage didn’t have license plates on the vehicles.

Seems like these #######s knew they were going to be out wreaking havoc and didn't want to be identified.

..... I'm sure the rest of their day was meant to be on the straight and narrow until SUV came along and provoked some more law breaking

 

[Limp Ditka]

This is why you need a conceal & carry permit and guns!

Yes start a gun fight with your family in the car while you are massively outnumbered. Better off sticking to SUV as weapon until the police catch up. 911 is your best friend here.

Typical B.S. response, wait for the police to arrive. How did that turn out for him after they slashed his tires?

The crew then beat the man in front of his wife and child, police sources said.

The victim was rushed to Columbia Presbyterian Hospital with two black eyes, and also needed stitches on his face and chest.

You do realize he wouldn't necessarily need to fire his weapon to defend himself, his wife or his child.

He could just smack them over the head with the butt? His gun turns into a phone and he can call the police? Are you suggesting that he will intimidate the biker gang by waving his gun around and they all go home? Wacky gun nut logic.

just take your beating like a man. hopefully they will just knock you unconscious, and that satisfies them.

Yea, hopefully..

1 shot would have sent every one of those fools running. I hope it would have never come to that.

.

Doubt it, mob mentality + they probably had guns of their own.Shooting one of them increases the odds you get killed.

Doubtful any of those ####### had a gun. Getting an LTC in NYC is darned near impossible. It would have been nice to see the SUV driver come out with a Mossberg 500 Zombie killer, though. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=orO74PmzlgY&sns=em

Because that stopped Plaxico?

 

[deep vacuum]

I wonder how many lives will be changed because of the posted video and any related videos, facebook & twitter postings? Other than the driver and his family.

 

[dozer]

I have a huge gang of ninjas following me, I just ran over one of their buddies, and Im going to take the exit ramp into the city? Yes, I have a clue. Im not doing it. I tell 911 they dont understand the situation and tell them Ill run over twenty more of them before I give them a chance to stop me. What the hell! Im just going to let the whole bunch of rice grinders pass instead of trying to merge in with them!

Ive shot lots of guns. I have a healthy respect for them. I dont fear the ones I see and in the hands of people I know. I fear you with a gun though. I think youre likely to break one out at the wrong time because youve convinced yourself youre prepared to make the split decision to take a life or put those around you in danger.

Yeah you don't need a gun to protect you and your family because your crystal ball says you will never be put into a situation where you need one, you see this incident as easily avoidable due to mistakes this guy made, you never would have hit traffic, ok. I guess you'd rather the bikers incapacitate you and cut your wife and daughter rather than be in a position to defend yourself and family, you're my hero.

They make movies out of what your crystal ball tells you. Its fantasy till it happens. Maybe you can kill all the ninjas with your internet balls. Youre making me root for the Motorcycle enthusiasts.

Yep that's what I figured and you keep confirming it. This will never happen to you, it only happens in movies, you wouldn't have made the rookie mistakes this guy driving the Range Rover made, it is you that lives in fantasyland, it is your crystal ball, not mine. Keep up your irrational fear of guns and pray you never need to use one because your bull#### story is fooling nobody but yourself.

I'm out of dip. I need to go to Casey's. Should I carry a gun?

 

[johnnycakes]

This is why you need a conceal & carry permit and guns!

Yes start a gun fight with your family in the car while you are massively outnumbered. Better off sticking to SUV as weapon until the police catch up. 911 is your best friend here.

Typical B.S. response, wait for the police to arrive. How did that turn out for him after they slashed his tires?

The crew then beat the man in front of his wife and child, police sources said.

The victim was rushed to Columbia Presbyterian Hospital with two black eyes, and also needed stitches on his face and chest.

You do realize he wouldn't necessarily need to fire his weapon to defend himself, his wife or his child.

He could just smack them over the head with the butt? His gun turns into a phone and he can call the police? Are you suggesting that he will intimidate the biker gang by waving his gun around and they all go home? Wacky gun nut logic.

just take your beating like a man. hopefully they will just knock you unconscious, and that satisfies them.

Yea, hopefully..

1 shot would have sent every one of those fools running. I hope it would have never come to that.

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Doubt it, mob mentality + they probably had guns of their own.Shooting one of them increases the odds you get killed.

Doubtful any of those ####### had a gun. Getting an LTC in NYC is darned near impossible. It would have been nice to see the SUV driver come out with a Mossberg 500 Zombie killer, though. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=orO74PmzlgY&sns=em

Because that stopped Plaxico?

Talking about average joes, not big name athletes, radio talk show hosts, or other "celebrities". Think. Think.

 

[Limp Ditka]

Doubtful any of those ####### had a gun. Getting an LTC in NYC is darned near impossible. It would have been nice to see the SUV driver come out with a Mossberg 500 Zombie killer, though. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=orO74PmzlgY&sns=em

Because that stopped Plaxico?

Talking about average joes, not big name athletes, radio talk show hosts, or other "celebrities". Think. Think.

think think..... he didn't have a LTC

 

[johnnycakes]

Doubtful any of those ####### had a gun. Getting an LTC in NYC is darned near impossible. It would have been nice to see the SUV driver come out with a Mossberg 500 Zombie killer, though. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=orO74PmzlgY&sns=em

Because that stopped Plaxico?

Talking about average joes, not big name athletes, radio talk show hosts, or other "celebrities". Think. Think.

think think..... he didn't have a LTC

If he were in transit from one state where he was legally licensed to another state where legally licensed - not an uncommon scenario - he would have been ok to carry.

 

[NJ]

People keep saying the bikers had their own guns. You do realize the police had checkpoints and were making regular arrests throughout the day since the bikers' plan was to go to Time Square. I guess you give these bikers 0 credit for having any common sense to be riding through the streets of Manhattan with an illegal firearm into known police checkpoints.

I hear what you're saying here, but A) the police have already said that they are having trouble identifying the suspects because most of them didn't have license plates on their bikes so obviously there weren't checkpoints everywhere and B) the fact that this chase was able to go almost the entire length of Manhattan with them on the phone with 911 and not a single cop car was passed or got involved in the chase leads me to believe there wasn't much police presence for this.

 

[NJ]

Doubtful any of those ####### had a gun. Getting an LTC in NYC is darned near impossible.

Right, but what started the whole gun debate here was comments that if NYC didn't have such strict LTC laws that this guy could have protected himself. If you're assuming that the guy in the Range Rover could have protected himself by being allowed to carry a guy, doesn't that also strongly increase the likelyhood that several of the 100 or so bikers are also carrying?

I believe in the right to carry, but I have serious doubts if guns on both sides would have made this specific scenario turn out better than it did. I'm not saying i have the answer, no idea how I would have reacted if I were this guy and people saying they know what they would have done are probably kidding themselves, I just question a lot of the comments being made on both sides ITT.

 

[5 digit know nothing]

People keep saying the bikers had their own guns. You do realize the police had checkpoints and were making regular arrests throughout the day since the bikers' plan was to go to Time Square. I guess you give these bikers 0 credit for having any common sense to be riding through the streets of Manhattan with an illegal firearm into known police checkpoints.

I hear what you're saying here, but A) the police have already said that they are having trouble identifying the suspects because most of them didn't have license plates on their bikes so obviously there weren't checkpoints everywhere and B) the fact that this chase was able to go almost the entire length of Manhattan with them on the phone with 911 and not a single cop car was passed or got involved in the chase leads me to believe there wasn't much police presence for this.

Bridges and tunnels, arrested 15, confiscated 55 bikes, 68 summons

 

[dozer]

I have a huge gang of ninjas following me, I just ran over one of their buddies, and Im going to take the exit ramp into the city? Yes, I have a clue. Im not doing it. I tell 911 they dont understand the situation and tell them Ill run over twenty more of them before I give them a chance to stop me. What the hell! Im just going to let the whole bunch of rice grinders pass instead of trying to merge in with them!

Ive shot lots of guns. I have a healthy respect for them. I dont fear the ones I see and in the hands of people I know. I fear you with a gun though. I think youre likely to break one out at the wrong time because youve convinced yourself youre prepared to make the split decision to take a life or put those around you in danger.

Yeah you don't need a gun to protect you and your family because your crystal ball says you will never be put into a situation where you need one, you see this incident as easily avoidable due to mistakes this guy made, you never would have hit traffic, ok. I guess you'd rather the bikers incapacitate you and cut your wife and daughter rather than be in a position to defend yourself and family, you're my hero.

They make movies out of what your crystal ball tells you. Its fantasy till it happens. Maybe you can kill all the ninjas with your internet balls. Youre making me root for the Motorcycle enthusiasts.

Yep that's what I figured and you keep confirming it. This will never happen to you, it only happens in movies, you wouldn't have made the rookie mistakes this guy driving the Range Rover made, it is you that lives in fantasyland, it is your crystal ball, not mine. Keep up your irrational fear of guns and pray you never need to use one because your bull#### story is fooling nobody but yourself.

I'm out of dip. I need to go to Casey's. Should I carry a gun?

Update: Did not get shot. This time...

 

[5 digit know nothing]

Doubtful any of those ####### had a gun. Getting an LTC in NYC is darned near impossible.

Right, but what started the whole gun debate here was comments that if NYC didn't have such strict LTC laws that this guy could have protected himself. If you're assuming that the guy in the Range Rover could have protected himself by being allowed to carry a guy, doesn't that also strongly increase the likelyhood that several of the 100 or so bikers are also carrying?

I believe in the right to carry, but I have serious doubts if guns on both sides would have made this specific scenario turn out better than it did. I'm not saying i have the answer, no idea how I would have reacted if I were this guy and people saying they know what they would have done are probably kidding themselves, I just question a lot of the comments being made on both sides ITT.

Again, don't assume just because someone has a license to carry that they are automatically going to use their gun illegally. Educate yourself on CCW statistics and don't automatically assume just because someone is legally allowed to carry that they are going to act like a thug/criminal. Making statements like several of these bikers would have CCW's is pretty foolish, stating that they automatically would have drawn their weapons out of road rage is even more foolish. The guy driving the Range Rover would perfectly be well within his legal rights to use lethal force as soon as the douchenozzle swung at his window with his helmet after the previous events transpired such as slashing his tires.

 

[5 digit know nothing]

I have a huge gang of ninjas following me, I just ran over one of their buddies, and Im going to take the exit ramp into the city? Yes, I have a clue. Im not doing it. I tell 911 they dont understand the situation and tell them Ill run over twenty more of them before I give them a chance to stop me. What the hell! Im just going to let the whole bunch of rice grinders pass instead of trying to merge in with them!

Ive shot lots of guns. I have a healthy respect for them. I dont fear the ones I see and in the hands of people I know. I fear you with a gun though. I think youre likely to break one out at the wrong time because youve convinced yourself youre prepared to make the split decision to take a life or put those around you in danger.

Yeah you don't need a gun to protect you and your family because your crystal ball says you will never be put into a situation where you need one, you see this incident as easily avoidable due to mistakes this guy made, you never would have hit traffic, ok. I guess you'd rather the bikers incapacitate you and cut your wife and daughter rather than be in a position to defend yourself and family, you're my hero.

They make movies out of what your crystal ball tells you. Its fantasy till it happens. Maybe you can kill all the ninjas with your internet balls. Youre making me root for the Motorcycle enthusiasts.

Yep that's what I figured and you keep confirming it. This will never happen to you, it only happens in movies, you wouldn't have made the rookie mistakes this guy driving the Range Rover made, it is you that lives in fantasyland, it is your crystal ball, not mine. Keep up your irrational fear of guns and pray you never need to use one because your bull#### story is fooling nobody but yourself.

I'm out of dip. I need to go to Casey's. Should I carry a gun?

Update: Did not get shot. This time...

If at first you don't succeed.

ETA: Your crystal ball must have told you to use the back entrance to avoid the bad guys.

 

[comfortably numb]

Identity and picture of SUV driver revealed...

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2438620/Shocking-video-Range-Rover-crashing-bikers-surround-vehicle-annual-street-ride.html

wait....the driver is Asian?

This changes everything

 

[Mario Kart]

WTF? Based on video evidence, the SUV has every right to do what he did. ~100 bikes come surrounding you on a three lane highway and bring you to a stop... WTF? On the side street when his window is smashed... I guess he could put the thing in reverse. Screw those bikers and the bikes he ran over.

 

[BustedKnuckles]

I wonder how George Zimmerman would have handled those bikers

 

[NJ]

stating that they automatically would have drawn their weapons out of road rage is even more foolish

Where did I state that they would have drawn their weapons out of road rage? I said IF they were carrying guns and the guy jumps out of his SUV and starts shooting they are more likely to draw their weapons and shoot back (increasing the likelyhood of the guys wife/kid getting hit with a bullet). If it weren't for the wife/kid in the car, I'd have no doubt at all that pulling a gun in this situation is the right thing to do. I agree with almost everything you've said here, absolutely 100% the guy was well within his rights to draw a gun. I've got no problem with that at all and kind of wish he had done it since it doesn't sound like most of these douchebags are going to see any justice done. But for me, I just have to question if pulling a gun in this specific situation increases or decreases the likelyhood that your wife/kid are harmed which is the only result I care about at all. I don't know the answer to that by the way, but I don't think the injuries here were all that bad considering what went down. Sure, pulling a gun might have saved him a beating and they all might have just run off, but it also could have escalated the violence to a whole new level that I wouldn't want with my wife kid just a few feet away from me. I believe there was someone else ITT that said they have a CCP and wouldn't have pulled their gun in this situation so I don't think I'm alone on this, what could/would have happened if the guy had pulled a gun is purely speculative and everyone has their own opinion and its sort of pointless to debate as I don't think anyone is going to sway either side. I'll just say that I think you have every right to pull a gun and protect yourself here, I think people calling each other "Rambo" and other stuff ITT is just plain stupid. To each his own, if I'm put in this situation, all I care about is my wife/kid not getting harmed and I'm taking whatever course of action I think gives me the best chance of that happening.

 

[5 digit know nothing]

Well there are cars in front of you, they slash your tires, they are using their helmet as a hammer to get at you inside of your SUV, if you have a gun on you I'd say it would take a #### ton of restraint not to at least draw it if not fire it. You are out of options at this point, what are you going to do try to run from them? This might be classified as a hate crime which just makes matters worse, they sure as hell were not trying to reason with him when they beat the #### out of the guy. I feel sorry for the guy and would never want to find myself in his situation.

 

[NJ]

Well there are cars in front of you, they slash your tires, they are using their helmet as a hammer to get at you inside of your SUV, if you have a gun on you I'd say it would take a #### ton of restraint not to at least draw it if not fire it. You are out of options at this point, what are you going to do try to run from them? This might be classified as a hate crime which just makes matters worse, they sure as hell were not trying to reason with him when they beat the #### out of the guy. I feel sorry for the guy and would never want to find myself in his situation.

Agree, don't know what I would do. Ideally I'd want to get out of the vehicle and have them focused on me while hopefully my wife could slide into the drivers seat and get my kid out of harms way if some of the traffic started to clear but that's all wishful thinking. I agree if you're carrying, you probably don't have many options left but to draw. Only other option I see is chucking it in reverse and backing over them which is probably not going to end well either. I went back and watched the video again and frankly once the 2nd ##### started trying to smash in my kids window I'm probably drawing at that point if I'm carrying but I just think out of all the possible outcomes, having shots fired while I'm still in the vehicle with my wife and kid is the worst possible scenario I can think of. Ideally I'd want to avoid that at all costs but I don't have a problem with ANY action taken at this point to defend your family. I just hope that if this all went down the way it appears to have, that they find these #######s and charge them.