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Culpepper a top 8 option again? (1 Viewer)
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Loan Sharks
Not a Wolf
Culpepper is the real deal. Drafting him is a solid play.
Ozymandias
Footballguy
Take a look at his schedule.
Pattycake.
Pattycake.
Preds
Footballguy
Two words...Mike Mularkyavoid Culpepper like the plague.
Biabreakable
Footballguy
What kind of chip?Wavy Lays?Daunte is better than people give him credit for. Top 10 with a high variance of risk/reward.I wouldnt expect him to run that much while he is still recovering. But the Oline may force him to anyways.If your league penalises TOs highly then you should avoid Daunte, Otherwise he is a good play.gman8343 said:
shakeybarn
Footballguy
What chip?The Minnesota team he left was NOTHING like the team he had 2 or 3 years prior. Daunte is vehemently thankful he got out.An already risky QB changing teams to a team with not-so-great offensive success in recent years, and the o-line.... you've been warned.gman8343 said:
Eli Manning is a MASSIVE bust risk. Delhomme has never been anything other than an average-at-best fantasy QB. I would easily rank C'Pep ahead of both of them.I rank Bulger ahead of C'Pep, because I think he's extremely proven, and because with Mike Martz and his crazy "protection" schemes out of town, maybe Bulger will finally finish a season upright. It's pretty close, though- Bulger has a higher upside, but is a greater injury risk. I wouldn't bat an eye if someone drafted one over the other.spacepimp said:
milfordshane
Footballguy
I was under the impression that they were running the same offense as last year though. What are Miami homers expecting out of the offense this year?Preds said:
Black&Gold
Footballguy
With a cake schedule, I think you see a lot of Ronnie Brown. Dante won't be running as much as he used to. I like McMicheal and Chambers this year but if you are drafting Culpepper as a top 5 QB this year, you're kidding yourself. I could see top 10, but this will be a run first team. Miami will be a good team this year and Culpepper may be a great NFL QB this year, but his fantasy stats will be average to a little above average. Borderline #1 QB in a 12 team league. Great #2.
zamboni
Footballguy
I would tend to agree here. Expecting anywhere close to his heyday production with the Vikings may be way presumptuous. He's probably not going to chuck the ball at will like with the Vikings, as he has a much better running game than he ever did in Minny and the defense will probably prevent a lot of shootouts.ETA: I think where you could get some meaningful benefit is if he vultures a number of TDs from Brown.
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Liquid Tension
Footballguy
How is Eli a massive bust risk? He is now entering his 3rd year which is when the light goes on for many QB's. Eli's ;light was already on but he was still feeling his way through the system. More importantly, he has weapons at his disposal in a dump off guy as good as any in the league (Tiki), a TE as good as any when healthy (Shockey) and a decent receiving corp that is pretty deep even if not spectacular. Tim carter can be a star if he stays healthy and I expect him to take over for Toomer who really improved last year (surprising at his age) after some mediocre years.Back to Eli, with his tools and the expectation that he improves I don't see a bust risk at all. A matter of fact I think his floor is about as stable as any in football. His ceiling is the question mark that will be answered in the future. But, bust, VERY LITTLE chance of that with his head for the game.As for CPep I agree that he deserves to be in the top 10. While Moss helped him , he is a good QB with running skills.
Mik789fl
Footballguy
When he was putting up big numbers in Minny he did have a good rushing attack,Robert Smith comes to mind. I don't expect numbers like he had then but with some nice options around him I can see him being top 5 by the end of the year easily. I got him yesterday after 10 qb's were off the board,if you can get him at a spot like that he's great value.
zamboni
Footballguy
True, he did have one big season with Robert Smith, but the rest were with the Michael Bennetts, Moe Williams, and Onterrio Smiths of the world. And I'd have to look it up, but I don't think those defenses were all that great.Agreed though, if you get him as QB11 off the board, that's nice value.
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Mik789fl
Footballguy
From the NFL record book. The Vikes rusjing totals form 2002,2003 and 2004 respectively2507 yds....5.3ypr....2343 yds...4.8ypr.....1823 yds....4.7yprDaunte has played on teams that run the ball very well,IF Brown can carry the load for a full season,Daunte's numbers will be very good.
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Biabreakable
Footballguy
The Vikings did lead the league in rushing in one of those years and top 3 in another one I think without looking. It just hasn't been that way the last 2 years in Minnesota.I am not confident in Brown having great success long term running the ball. But he will be a good option on screens and rb passes.I think Daunte will be able to take advantage of single coverage on Booker also. Booker has some pretty solid hands.Overall I think Miami will be one of the more successful pasing teams in 2006. Main issue I see is Oline play/protection and turnovers. Daunte has very small hands and fumbles the ball a lot.
Gopher State
Footballguy
Watching him play the past few years in Minnesota, his skills have gone backward. I would avoid Pepper, he was exposed without Moss (Chambers is not Moss) and it will continue in FIN town.
Maybe. But Moss is not Moss either. Take this to the bank of fantasy bets this year...Chambers will outproduce Moss and finally tap into his own potential. Who cares who is better.To say C-Pep missed Moss is too simplistic an analysis. MIN was a trainwreck last year and the loss of Moss was among the least of the worries there...Love Boat, O-Line, bad coach, and Whizzenaters come to mind.
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Mik789fl
Footballguy
All good points. Chambers put up very nice numbers last year and his qb's were hardly in the class of Culpepper,even a Culpepper coming back from an injury. I agree Chambers will best Moss this year,fantasy wise and football wise. Daunte spent the preseason getting comfotable with himself,post injury. As he gets comfortable with the offense he will get better. Fantasy wise,Culpepper,Chambers and McMichael are solid options on the Dolphins.In my 14 team league where all TDs are worth the same I took CPep as the 9th QB taken. I backed him up with Favre in the 12th round and Frye in the 16th round. I was targeting Chambers but I couldn't pass up on Harrison and felt comfortable in the next round when I settled for Burress. I also took McMichael and feel he has a great shot at being a top 3 TE with CPep at the helm.
Mystery Achiever
Footballguy
I have him right after after those guys.spacepimp said:
cstu
Footballguy
He only had himself to blame for running Moss out of town. He's a team killer and has never won anything meaningful.
Mik789fl
Footballguy
cstu
Footballguy
Ran out of town wasn't the right way to put it, just the essense of what happened. Culpepper said all the right things in public, but he never fought to keep Moss in Minny. His comments were always like "He's my friend, but it's up to management". If someone really wants someone to stay then they are going to stand up for him - Culpepper didn't do that. It was pretty clear if you read between the lines that Culpepper was tired of Moss' antics and didn't mind him being traded.He ran Moss out of town? Link? Article? Eyewitness? Quote?
Biabreakable
Footballguy
Chris Chambers has a catch % of 49.75 over the past 4 years. It will be interesting to see if this improves due to Daunte Culpepper clearly being a much more accurate passer than what Chambers has had to work with before.
However I also see Chambers not getting such a huge ammount of targets this year as he has had throughout his career. Because I think that Daunte will take what the defense gives him and target Booker and McMichael more than they have been in the past.
I do not see Chambers outperforming Randy Moss.
However I also see Chambers not getting such a huge ammount of targets this year as he has had throughout his career. Because I think that Daunte will take what the defense gives him and target Booker and McMichael more than they have been in the past.
I do not see Chambers outperforming Randy Moss.
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MLBrandow
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My question to those drafting Culpepper is what kind of numbers are you expecting?
It seems some are under the impression he can put up mid-30s TDs and other outlandish numbers.
I don't see him escaping any more than decent QB1 numbers, and as such, he is not worth more than any QB between 6 and 15.... and there's better value to be had several rounds later.
It seems some are under the impression he can put up mid-30s TDs and other outlandish numbers.
I don't see him escaping any more than decent QB1 numbers, and as such, he is not worth more than any QB between 6 and 15.... and there's better value to be had several rounds later.
Glad you asked.Eli ranked 3rd in the NFL in pass attempts last season. I don't see that repeating. His comp% was positively brutal. His TD:INT ratio looks far better than it actually was, thanks to a historically strong start to the season (no one in the history of the NFL had ever thrown as many passes with as low of a completion% and wound up with as few INTs as Eli had through the first 8 games last year. *EVER*). While there's a great chance that Eli puts it all together and improves his Comp%, there's also a solid chance that he doesn't, and that his TD:Int ratio remains upside down like it was through the last half of the season last year (10:12 over the last 8 games).Another point that needs to make was that last year was a HISTORICALLY bad season for fantasy QBs, with many traditional studs injured (Culpepper, McNabb) and with many mid-level QBs having a reasonably weak season (Plummer, Green, etc.). While Eli's performance was the 4th best of the year last year, it was only the 32nd best of the past 4 years. In 2002, he would have finished 11th. In 2003, he would have finished 8th. In 2004, he would have finished 12th. Eli benefitted a ton from getting an extremely large number of pass attempts (not likely to happen again, imo) in a historically bad QB season (not likely to happen again). As a result, I view Eli Manning as a very big bust risk this year.
