Curtis Martin (1 Viewer)

[David Yudkin]

The lastest issue of TSN had the following . . .

The Jets aren't saying so publicly, but look for them to dramatically reduce the workload of 33-year-old RB Curtis Martin. Former coach Herm Edwards was fiercely loyal to Martin--too loyal-- even though he showed signs of slowing down last season. New coach Eric Mangini respects the verenable veteran, but he will have no qualms about sitting Martin for long stretches if it helps the team. Martin could be a new version of Marcus Allen, a premier back who steps into a part-time role and extends his career.

It certainly is nothing official and likely reading of the tea leaves by the writer, but it does seem like Martin's days of 350 carries are behind him. Those thinking he will be an out-and-out steal may want to give it some additional thought in terms of his ability to fill a RB2 fantasy role as some people have suggested.

 

[sholditch]

I wonder if it will be Houston or Blaylock getting the leftovers...

 

[gocats]

Fluff piece, if Cmart comes back strong, which I think he will, he's a much better back than Blaylock and CHouston

 

[perry147]

I wonder if it will be Houston or Blaylock getting the leftovers...

I think if Martin gets hurt this year it will be RBBC with these two.

 

[rascal]

ADP is 70...nuff said.

 

[David Yudkin]

ADP is 70...nuff said.

Houston's ADP is 151 and Blaylock's is 214. For the investment, I'd rather have either of those two over Martin at this point.

 

[Traders2001]

ADP is 70...nuff said.

Houston's ADP is 151 and Blaylock's is 214. For the investment, I'd rather have either of those two over Martin at this point.

I am a Houston owner ( not that i worry he would be my RB 6 )but i dont think Blaylock will be a factor, he is always injured .

By the way last i read about Blaylock is that he is still injured and could not practice.

 

[Tau837]

Fluff piece, if Cmart comes back strong, which I think he will, he's a much better back than Blaylock and CHouston

 

[Z-Dog]

Fluff piece, if Cmart comes back strong, which I think he will, he's a much better back than Blaylock and CHouston

There is one NY writer who keeps speculating that Martin will get less work this year, but it is all speculation at this point.As for me, I don't think Martin is going to get 300 carries either. He's not young, he didn't look great last year when he was healthy, and I don't know any other rebuilding team that gave 300 carries to an over-30 back. Maybe there is an example lurking out there somewhere, but generally, rebuilding teams do a lot of RBBC until some young guy emerges to take the job.

I think it's much more reasonable to expect that Jets to use as many as 4-5 different RBs in lots of different roles. Should one of them emerge as too good to keep off the field, so be it, but to bet on Martin again just doesn't add up in my head.

 

[John Mamula]

The lastest issue of TSN had the following . . .

The Jets aren't saying so publicly, but look for them to dramatically reduce the workload of 33-year-old RB Curtis Martin.  Former coach Herm Edwards was fiercely loyal to Martin--too loyal-- even though he showed signs of slowing down last season.  New coach Eric Mangini respects the verenable veteran, but he will have no qualms about sitting Martin for long stretches if it helps the team.  Martin could be a new version of Marcus Allen, a premier back who steps into a part-time role and extends his career.

It certainly is nothing official and likely reading of the tea leaves by the writer, but it does seem like Martin's days of 350 carries are behind him. Those thinking he will be an out-and-out steal may want to give it some additional thought in terms of his ability to fill a RB2 fantasy role as some people have suggested.

You could have just PMed Chase instead of calling him out publicly.

 

[John Mamula]

ADP is 70...nuff said.

I can name about 10 players who have a comparable ADP who are far and away a better option than CuMart.

 

[MLBrandow]

ADP is 70...nuff said.

I can name about 10 players who have a comparable ADP who are far and away a better option than CuMart.

I'd like to see that list.

 

[John Mamula]

ADP is 70...nuff said.

I can name about 10 players who have a comparable ADP who are far and away a better option than CuMart.

I'd like to see that list.

Sorry. Proprietary info until all my drafts have been completed.PM me on September 12th.

 

[MLBrandow]

I'd pay to see a list of ten 1000 yard RBs with a comparable ADP.

Martin's poor numbers were the result of his surrounding cast and having 11 guys in the box, not his "getting old."

Surely he's lost a bit of a step, but he's still more than capable of putting up very solid numbers. Something like 1150/7/250/2

And all he needs to one-up Barry Sanders for third on the all-time rushing totals is about 1200.

Even looking at last year, it's not like he spent all season and only had 800 yards to show for it. He didn't have an offensive line or a Quarterback. and he STILL was on pace for 1000/7.

You really think the Jets team is going to be WORSE this year? I don't think they'll win 5 or 6 games, but they'll have a much better 4-12 season than they did last year.

FWIW, in the drafts I've taken part in and seen thusfar, CMart has gone much later than 6th round (70), and has been more like 7 or 8, with me being the one drafting him.

I can see Leon Washington working in as his #2, and Houston at FB, but don't be the fool who thinks CMart is done because he had the deck stacked against him last year.

Certainly 33 is getting up there, but I'm not sure Larry Johnson could run on 11 man fronts.

Just for kicks I rolled on over to antsports.com and picked up a list of RB ADPs.

First Name Last Name Pos Team ADP High Low Standard

Deviation Drafts

1. Larry Johnson RB KCC 1.01.47 1.01 1.03 00.76 32

2. LaDainian Tomlinson RB SDC 1.02.06 1.01 1.03 00.67 32

3. Shaun Alexander RB SEA 1.02.48 1.01 1.03 00.72 31

4. Clinton Portis RB WAS 1.04.42 1.04 1.07 00.72 31

5. Tiki Barber RB NYG 1.04.87 1.04 1.06 00.72 31

6. Steven Jackson RB STL 1.07.03 1.05 1.09 01.28 32

7. Edgerrin James RB ARI 1.07.06 1.05 1.09 01.12 31

8. LaMont Jordan RB OAK 1.07.90 1.05 2.02 01.60 31

9. Ronnie Brown RB MIA 1.09.47 1.05 2.01 01.96 30

10. Rudi Johnson RB CIN 1.10.79 1.05 2.03 02.25 28

11. Carnell Williams RB TBB 1.11.60 1.08 2.07 02.37 30

12. Domanick Davis RB HOU 2.02.59 1.10 2.10 03.12 29

13. Brian Westbrook RB PHI 2.02.97 1.10 2.09 02.66 30

14. Willis McGahee RB BUF 2.04.71 1.11 2.10 03.16 28

15. Julius Jones RB DAL 2.07.90 2.01 3.04 03.84 30

16. Kevin Jones RB DET 2.11.93 2.03 3.08 04.02 29

17. Jamal Lewis RB BAL 3.05.97 2.04 4.11 07.49 30

18. Willie Parker RB PIT 3.07.31 2.11 4.06 04.63 32

19. Chester Taylor RB MIN 3.07.84 2.07 4.06 05.60 31

20. Reggie Bush RB FA 3.08.21 2.06 4.10 06.73 29

21. Reuben Droughns RB CLE 3.11.16 2.12 4.11 05.94 32

22. Warrick Dunn RB ATL 4.02.32 3.02 5.02 05.69 31

23. Corey Dillon RB NEP 4.03.42 2.07 5.10 10.00 31

24. DeShaun Foster RB CAR 4.08.55 3.02 5.12 07.51 31

25. Tatum Bell RB DEN 4.08.94 2.07 5.06 07.13 31

26. Deuce McAllister RB NOS 5.04.04 3.07 6.12 09.10 28

27. Joseph Addai RB FA 5.07.03 3.09 9.01 11.40 31

28. Thomas Jones RB CHI 5.07.04 3.09 7.09 10.53 27

29. Cedric Benson RB CHI 5.09.19 4.03 7.01 09.29 31

30. Ahman Green RB GBP 5.12.70 4.05 7.11 10.58 30

31. Dominic Rhodes RB IND 6.05.30 4.12 7.11 09.53 27

32. Curtis Martin RB NYJ 6.08.31 5.08 7.12 08.13 26

33. Fred Taylor RB JAC 6.10.90 4.12 9.02 10.76 29

34. Ron Dayne RB DEN 7.02.10 5.02 9.03 11.99 30

35. Chris Brown RB TEN 7.03.58 5.01 9.12 13.27 24

36. Frank Gore RB SFO 7.08.72 6.04 9.05 09.00 25

37. DeAngelo Williams RB FA 7.09.25 4.04 10.08 17.09 32

38. Laurence Maroney RB FA 8.06.81 6.03 12.05 15.84 32

39. Lendale White RB FA 9.02.00 5.06 11.12 18.18 31

40. Marion III Barber RB DAL 9.05.84 7.01 12.09 13.53 25

41. Sam Gado RB GBP 9.07.14 6.11 11.12 14.25 22

42. Kevan Barlow RB SFO 9.07.95 8.05 11.04 09.30 20

43. Chris Perry RB CIN 10.01.11 8.01 14.04 16.05 18

44. Greg Jones RB JAC 10.07.31 7.12 14.07 17.35 29

45. T.J. Duckett RB ATL 10.07.53 8.12 12.12 12.79 19

46. Mike Anderson RB BAL 11.04.11 8.08 14.08 16.78 27

47. Priest Holmes RB KCC 12.04.72 10.10 14.05 14.44 18

48. Mewelde Moore RB MIN 12.04.89 10.01 16.03 16.94 27

49. Ryan Moats RB PHI 12.05.09 9.12 16.08 20.79 23

50. Najeh Davenport RB GBP 12.12.11 10.05 15.08 20.09 19

51. Duce Staley RB PIT 13.02.12 6.12 16.01 24.73 26

52. Travis Henry RB TEN 13.03.73 11.08 15.01 13.01 15

53. Jerious Norwood RB FA 13.07.18 11.09 16.03 16.78 11

54. Cedric Houston RB NYJ 14.07.22 11.06 16.07 18.35 18

55. Michael Pittman RB TBB 14.07.39 12.04 16.10 15.62 18

56. Michael Turner RB SDC 14.09.35 12.01 16.10 14.61 23

57. Brandon Jacobs RB NYG 15.01.29 12.12 16.12 15.34 14

58. Ladell Betts RB WAS 15.04.43 12.06 16.12 18.03 7

59. Maurice Drew RB FA 15.05.20 12.11 16.04 17.14 5

60. Maurice Morris RB SEA 15.05.33 13.09 16.11 13.16 6

There's only four, possibly six at the most (Dayne, Gore) that could approach CMart's probable value in '06.

Personally, I'd rank them:

LenDale White

Cedric Benson

Deuce McAllister

Curtis Martin

DeAngelo Williams

Frank Gore

Ron Dayne

Maurice Drew

Only White/Benson/McAllister I would consider better options than Martin, and I don't think any of them are "far and away" better.

Whatever prophetic device you have in your hand, I'd sure like to borrow it.

I also think it's silly to "hide" your super secret information. This is an open forum, and it's not like divulging a small piece of your personal rankings is going to collapse the fantasy football universe.

Even less of a chance is there that you will be able to convince people of your rankings. You sure would have a hard time convincing me.

 

[Bojang0301]

I'd pay to see a list of ten 1000 yard RBs with a comparable ADP.

Martin's poor numbers were the result of his surrounding cast and having 11 guys in the box, not his "getting old."

Surely he's lost a bit of a step, but he's still more than capable of putting up very solid numbers. Something like 1150/7/250/2

And all he needs to one-up Barry Sanders for third on the all-time rushing totals is about 1200.

Even looking at last year, it's not like he spent all season and only had 800 yards to show for it. He didn't have an offensive line or a Quarterback. and he STILL was on pace for 1000/7.

You really think the Jets team is going to be WORSE this year? I don't think they'll win 5 or 6 games, but they'll have a much better 4-12 season than they did last year.

FWIW, in the drafts I've taken part in and seen thusfar, CMart has gone much later than 6th round (70), and has been more like 7 or 8, with me being the one drafting him.

I can see Leon Washington working in as his #2, and Houston at FB, but don't be the fool who thinks CMart is done because he had the deck stacked against him last year.

Certainly 33 is getting up there, but I'm not sure Larry Johnson could run on 11 man fronts.

33 isn't just "getting up there" it is a pretty significant number in a RB's life especially in one as well treaded as CuMart's. Mangini comes of the BB branch of the tree and while I'm sure veteran leadership is an important part of the formula he will also not be afraid to put a player out to pasture. IMO, it is CuMart's time to go. The best case scenario for him is an Emmitt Smith/Cardinals type season where the backs that are in place are just not good enough to even get the job done. I don't think this will be the case in NYJ as Houston is an underrated tailback, IMO. He put up servicable numbers last year against those "11 man fronts.":

NYJ CAR 10 53 0 0 0 0 0

NYJ NO 5 12 0 0 0 0 0

NYJ OAK 28 74 1 0 0 0 0

NYJ MIA 15 84 0 4 4 40 0

NYJ NE 5 14 0 2 1 2 0

NYJ BUF 16 55 1 1 1 6 0

Not great, not terrible but I think he could be servicable. Plus you add in Blaylock and Washington and it looks more and more like RBBC. Herm tried to use CuMart like he always did early on in the season and it was clear he lost something. He only had one good game against Buffalo. What is the saddest part is that he did worse rushing the 2 games they actually won when he was healthy. If we accept that his upside is probably around 800-900 yds with 4-5 tds then I guess that would make him at least a servicable 3 but anyone expecting more than that is a fool.

 

[Bojang0301]

First Name Last Name Pos Team ADP High Low StandardDeviation Drafts 1. Larry Johnson RB KCC 1.01.47 1.01 1.03 00.76 32 2. LaDainian Tomlinson RB SDC 1.02.06 1.01 1.03 00.67 32 3. Shaun Alexander RB SEA 1.02.48 1.01 1.03 00.72 31 4. Clinton Portis RB WAS 1.04.42 1.04 1.07 00.72 31 5. Tiki Barber RB NYG 1.04.87 1.04 1.06 00.72 31 6. Steven Jackson RB STL 1.07.03 1.05 1.09 01.28 32 7. Edgerrin James RB ARI 1.07.06 1.05 1.09 01.12 31 8. LaMont Jordan RB OAK 1.07.90 1.05 2.02 01.60 31 9. Ronnie Brown RB MIA 1.09.47 1.05 2.01 01.96 30 10. Rudi Johnson RB CIN 1.10.79 1.05 2.03 02.25 28 11. Carnell Williams RB TBB 1.11.60 1.08 2.07 02.37 30 12. Domanick Davis RB HOU 2.02.59 1.10 2.10 03.12 29 13. Brian Westbrook RB PHI 2.02.97 1.10 2.09 02.66 30 14. Willis McGahee RB BUF 2.04.71 1.11 2.10 03.16 28 15. Julius Jones RB DAL 2.07.90 2.01 3.04 03.84 30 16. Kevin Jones RB DET 2.11.93 2.03 3.08 04.02 29 17. Jamal Lewis RB BAL 3.05.97 2.04 4.11 07.49 30 18. Willie Parker RB PIT 3.07.31 2.11 4.06 04.63 32 19. Chester Taylor RB MIN 3.07.84 2.07 4.06 05.60 31 20. Reggie Bush RB FA 3.08.21 2.06 4.10 06.73 29 21. Reuben Droughns RB CLE 3.11.16 2.12 4.11 05.94 32 22. Warrick Dunn RB ATL 4.02.32 3.02 5.02 05.69 31 23. Corey Dillon RB NEP 4.03.42 2.07 5.10 10.00 31 24. DeShaun Foster RB CAR 4.08.55 3.02 5.12 07.51 31 25. Tatum Bell RB DEN 4.08.94 2.07 5.06 07.13 31 26. Deuce McAllister RB NOS 5.04.04 3.07 6.12 09.10 28 27. Joseph Addai RB FA 5.07.03 3.09 9.01 11.40 31 28. Thomas Jones RB CHI 5.07.04 3.09 7.09 10.53 27 29. Cedric Benson RB CHI 5.09.19 4.03 7.01 09.29 31 30. Ahman Green RB GBP 5.12.70 4.05 7.11 10.58 30 31. Dominic Rhodes RB IND 6.05.30 4.12 7.11 09.53 27 32. Curtis Martin RB NYJ 6.08.31 5.08 7.12 08.13 26 33. Fred Taylor RB JAC 6.10.90 4.12 9.02 10.76 29 34. Ron Dayne RB DEN 7.02.10 5.02 9.03 11.99 30 35. Chris Brown RB TEN 7.03.58 5.01 9.12 13.27 24 36. Frank Gore RB SFO 7.08.72 6.04 9.05 09.00 25 37. DeAngelo Williams RB FA 7.09.25 4.04 10.08 17.09 32 38. Laurence Maroney RB FA 8.06.81 6.03 12.05 15.84 32 39. Lendale White RB FA 9.02.00 5.06 11.12 18.18 31 40. Marion III Barber RB DAL 9.05.84 7.01 12.09 13.53 25 41. Sam Gado RB GBP 9.07.14 6.11 11.12 14.25 22 42. Kevan Barlow RB SFO 9.07.95 8.05 11.04 09.30 20 43. Chris Perry RB CIN 10.01.11 8.01 14.04 16.05 18 44. Greg Jones RB JAC 10.07.31 7.12 14.07 17.35 29 45. T.J. Duckett RB ATL 10.07.53 8.12 12.12 12.79 19 46. Mike Anderson RB BAL 11.04.11 8.08 14.08 16.78 27 47. Priest Holmes RB KCC 12.04.72 10.10 14.05 14.44 18 48. Mewelde Moore RB MIN 12.04.89 10.01 16.03 16.94 27 49. Ryan Moats RB PHI 12.05.09 9.12 16.08 20.79 23 50. Najeh Davenport RB GBP 12.12.11 10.05 15.08 20.09 19 51. Duce Staley RB PIT 13.02.12 6.12 16.01 24.73 26 52. Travis Henry RB TEN 13.03.73 11.08 15.01 13.01 15 53. Jerious Norwood RB FA 13.07.18 11.09 16.03 16.78 11 54. Cedric Houston RB NYJ 14.07.22 11.06 16.07 18.35 18 55. Michael Pittman RB TBB 14.07.39 12.04 16.10 15.62 18 56. Michael Turner RB SDC 14.09.35 12.01 16.10 14.61 23 57. Brandon Jacobs RB NYG 15.01.29 12.12 16.12 15.34 14 58. Ladell Betts RB WAS 15.04.43 12.06 16.12 18.03 7 59. Maurice Drew RB FA 15.05.20 12.11 16.04 17.14 5 60. Maurice Morris RB SEA 15.05.33 13.09 16.11 13.16 6

Using that list I would take:Taylor, Gore, Gado, Dayne and possibly Lendale over CuMart at the position where he is being taken. FWIW.

 

[MLBrandow]

33 isn't just "getting up there" it is a pretty significant number in a RB's life especially in one as well treaded as CuMart's. Mangini comes of the BB branch of the tree and while I'm sure veteran leadership is an important part of the formula he will also not be afraid to put a player out to pasture. IMO, it is CuMart's time to go. The best case scenario for him is an Emmitt Smith/Cardinals type season where the backs that are in place are just not good enough to even get the job done.

I don't think this will be the case in NYJ as Houston is an underrated tailback, IMO. He put up servicable numbers last year against those "11 man fronts.":

NYJ CAR 10 53 0 0 0 0 0

NYJ NO 5 12 0 0 0 0 0

NYJ OAK 28 74 1 0 0 0 0

NYJ MIA 15 84 0 4 4 40 0

NYJ NE 5 14 0 2 1 2 0

NYJ BUF 16 55 1 1 1 6 0

Not great, not terrible but I think he could be servicable. Plus you add in Blaylock and Washington and it looks more and more like RBBC. Herm tried to use CuMart like he always did early on in the season and it was clear he lost something. He only had one good game against Buffalo. What is the saddest part is that he did worse rushing the 2 games they actually won when he was healthy. If we accept that his upside is probably around 800-900 yds with 4-5 tds then I guess that would make him at least a servicable 3 but anyone expecting more than that is a fool.

I can't imagine that Defenses stack the same against a 7th round rookie draft pick as they do against the 2004 Rushing Champion, but I understand the logic.http://www.nfl.com/players/playerpage/395929/gamelogs/2005

I was hoping those numbers would be slightly more indicative of CMart's injury, but outside of the apparent Week 15 anomaly, the stats would indicate he didn't really do all that poorly, which is admittedly a slightly :X thought.

I can't find any better evidence to prove either one of our points, so I suppose we'll just have to call it a draw.

I think the 4/5 backs you named above CMart are pretty valid, given his potential high/lows next season, but at that, 5 is not close to 10.

 

[Bojang0301]

I'm not wooried either way. The Jets suck and that's not going to change but Martin will out perform his adp and run off into the sunset. I see Blaylock and Houston getting close to same amount of carries in a rbbc backup role. Cumar just is not going to end his career on thaqt kind of note unless he blows another wheel or something. I was suprised the Jets did not draft a real back in this yeasr's draft but might be thinking they will be in the hunt for AP next year...Just a guess.

They grabed two Pro Bowl caliber linemen right away, if they develop right they can kind of plug and play. Personally, I see Washington taking a Kevin Faulk type role.

 

[Red Apples]

if you are stuck using curtis martin as a starter your season is over.

id rather have cedric houston in a keeper/dynasty league as my #4 - #6 rb then c mart.

houston w/ the 2 new huge lineman could have a bright future.

id also rank ron dayne well ahead of c mart.

 

[Sleeper 43]

Heres what Im wondering.

First off I think Cmart will split carries.

My thing is how do people think that Houston is better than Blaylock?

Blaylock didnt even play last year BUT when he did in KC he looked solid to me.

I see Blaylock as the late round steal getting his 10-15 carries a game until C-Mart gets injured.

 

[Red Apples]

Heres what Im wondering.

First off I think Cmart will split carries.

My thing is how do people think that Houston is better than Blaylock?

Blaylock didnt even play last year BUT when he did in KC he looked solid to me.

I see Blaylock as the late round steal getting his 10-15 carries a game until C-Mart gets injured.

oh he looked good behind the KC line? hmm, yeah that means little to me.im going w/ houston.

 

[CravenM]

Heres what Im wondering.

First off I think Cmart will split carries.

My thing is how do people think that Houston is better than Blaylock?

Blaylock didnt even play last year BUT when he did in KC he looked solid to me.

I see Blaylock as the late round steal getting his 10-15 carries a game until C-Mart gets injured.

Mr. Ced is a stud RB with all of the skill necessary - he just needs an opportunity.He's 6'0", 220, strong and pretty fast. He did much better than CuMart last year with the same line. Now that he has overcome Grave's disease, the extraordinary skills he originally showed at Tennessee should come out. The fact that the team didn't select an RB on the first day says volumes.

Derrick Blaylock is a good backup but Ced is the ultimate sleeper this year to me :shhh:

 

[gocats]

I'd pay to see a list of ten 1000 yard RBs with a comparable ADP.

Martin's poor numbers were the result of his surrounding cast and having 11 guys in the box, not his "getting old."

Surely he's lost a bit of a step, but he's still more than capable of putting up very solid numbers. Something like 1150/7/250/2

And all he needs to one-up Barry Sanders for third on the all-time rushing totals is about 1200.

Even looking at last year, it's not like he spent all season and only had 800 yards to show for it. He didn't have an offensive line or a Quarterback. and he STILL was on pace for 1000/7.

You really think the Jets team is going to be WORSE this year? I don't think they'll win 5 or 6 games, but they'll have a much better 4-12 season than they did last year.

FWIW, in the drafts I've taken part in and seen thusfar, CMart has gone much later than 6th round (70), and has been more like 7 or 8, with me being the one drafting him.

I can see Leon Washington working in as his #2, and Houston at FB, but don't be the fool who thinks CMart is done because he had the deck stacked against him last year.

Certainly 33 is getting up there, but I'm not sure Larry Johnson could run on 11 man fronts.

Just for kicks I rolled on over to antsports.com and picked up a list of RB ADPs.

First Name Last Name Pos Team ADP High Low Standard

Deviation Drafts

1. Larry Johnson RB KCC 1.01.47 1.01 1.03 00.76 32

2. LaDainian Tomlinson RB SDC 1.02.06 1.01 1.03 00.67 32

3. Shaun Alexander RB SEA 1.02.48 1.01 1.03 00.72 31

4. Clinton Portis RB WAS 1.04.42 1.04 1.07 00.72 31

5. Tiki Barber RB NYG 1.04.87 1.04 1.06 00.72 31

6. Steven Jackson RB STL 1.07.03 1.05 1.09 01.28 32

7. Edgerrin James RB ARI 1.07.06 1.05 1.09 01.12 31

8. LaMont Jordan RB OAK 1.07.90 1.05 2.02 01.60 31

9. Ronnie Brown RB MIA 1.09.47 1.05 2.01 01.96 30

10. Rudi Johnson RB CIN 1.10.79 1.05 2.03 02.25 28

11. Carnell Williams RB TBB 1.11.60 1.08 2.07 02.37 30

12. Domanick Davis RB HOU 2.02.59 1.10 2.10 03.12 29

13. Brian Westbrook RB PHI 2.02.97 1.10 2.09 02.66 30

14. Willis McGahee RB BUF 2.04.71 1.11 2.10 03.16 28

15. Julius Jones RB DAL 2.07.90 2.01 3.04 03.84 30

16. Kevin Jones RB DET 2.11.93 2.03 3.08 04.02 29

17. Jamal Lewis RB BAL 3.05.97 2.04 4.11 07.49 30

18. Willie Parker RB PIT 3.07.31 2.11 4.06 04.63 32

19. Chester Taylor RB MIN 3.07.84 2.07 4.06 05.60 31

20. Reggie Bush RB FA 3.08.21 2.06 4.10 06.73 29

21. Reuben Droughns RB CLE 3.11.16 2.12 4.11 05.94 32

22. Warrick Dunn RB ATL 4.02.32 3.02 5.02 05.69 31

23. Corey Dillon RB NEP 4.03.42 2.07 5.10 10.00 31

24. DeShaun Foster RB CAR 4.08.55 3.02 5.12 07.51 31

25. Tatum Bell RB DEN 4.08.94 2.07 5.06 07.13 31

26. Deuce McAllister RB NOS 5.04.04 3.07 6.12 09.10 28

27. Joseph Addai RB FA 5.07.03 3.09 9.01 11.40 31

28. Thomas Jones RB CHI 5.07.04 3.09 7.09 10.53 27

29. Cedric Benson RB CHI 5.09.19 4.03 7.01 09.29 31

30. Ahman Green RB GBP 5.12.70 4.05 7.11 10.58 30

31. Dominic Rhodes RB IND 6.05.30 4.12 7.11 09.53 27

32. Curtis Martin RB NYJ 6.08.31 5.08 7.12 08.13 26

33. Fred Taylor RB JAC 6.10.90 4.12 9.02 10.76 29

34. Ron Dayne RB DEN 7.02.10 5.02 9.03 11.99 30

35. Chris Brown RB TEN 7.03.58 5.01 9.12 13.27 24

36. Frank Gore RB SFO 7.08.72 6.04 9.05 09.00 25

37. DeAngelo Williams RB FA 7.09.25 4.04 10.08 17.09 32

38. Laurence Maroney RB FA 8.06.81 6.03 12.05 15.84 32

39. Lendale White RB FA 9.02.00 5.06 11.12 18.18 31

40. Marion III Barber RB DAL 9.05.84 7.01 12.09 13.53 25

41. Sam Gado RB GBP 9.07.14 6.11 11.12 14.25 22

42. Kevan Barlow RB SFO 9.07.95 8.05 11.04 09.30 20

43. Chris Perry RB CIN 10.01.11 8.01 14.04 16.05 18

44. Greg Jones RB JAC 10.07.31 7.12 14.07 17.35 29

45. T.J. Duckett RB ATL 10.07.53 8.12 12.12 12.79 19

46. Mike Anderson RB BAL 11.04.11 8.08 14.08 16.78 27

47. Priest Holmes RB KCC 12.04.72 10.10 14.05 14.44 18

48. Mewelde Moore RB MIN 12.04.89 10.01 16.03 16.94 27

49. Ryan Moats RB PHI 12.05.09 9.12 16.08 20.79 23

50. Najeh Davenport RB GBP 12.12.11 10.05 15.08 20.09 19

51. Duce Staley RB PIT 13.02.12 6.12 16.01 24.73 26

52. Travis Henry RB TEN 13.03.73 11.08 15.01 13.01 15

53. Jerious Norwood RB FA 13.07.18 11.09 16.03 16.78 11

54. Cedric Houston RB NYJ 14.07.22 11.06 16.07 18.35 18

55. Michael Pittman RB TBB 14.07.39 12.04 16.10 15.62 18

56. Michael Turner RB SDC 14.09.35 12.01 16.10 14.61 23

57. Brandon Jacobs RB NYG 15.01.29 12.12 16.12 15.34 14

58. Ladell Betts RB WAS 15.04.43 12.06 16.12 18.03 7

59. Maurice Drew RB FA 15.05.20 12.11 16.04 17.14 5

60. Maurice Morris RB SEA 15.05.33 13.09 16.11 13.16 6

There's only four, possibly six at the most (Dayne, Gore) that could approach CMart's probable value in '06.

Personally, I'd rank them:

LenDale White

Cedric Benson

Deuce McAllister

Curtis Martin

DeAngelo Williams

Frank Gore

Ron Dayne

Maurice Drew

Only White/Benson/McAllister I would consider better options than Martin, and I don't think any of them are "far and away" better.

Whatever prophetic device you have in your hand, I'd sure like to borrow it.

I also think it's silly to "hide" your super secret information. This is an open forum, and it's not like divulging a small piece of your personal rankings is going to collapse the fantasy football universe.

Even less of a chance is there that you will be able to convince people of your rankings. You sure would have a hard time convincing me.

 

[MLBrandow]

Heres what Im wondering.

First off I think Cmart will split carries.

My thing is how do people think that Houston is better than Blaylock?

Blaylock didnt even play last year BUT when he did in KC he looked solid to me.

I see Blaylock as the late round steal getting his 10-15 carries a game until C-Mart gets injured.

Mr. Ced is a stud RB with all of the skill necessary - he just needs an opportunity.He's 6'0", 220, strong and pretty fast. He did much better than CuMart last year with the same line. Now that he has overcome Grave's disease, the extraordinary skills he originally showed at Tennessee should come out. The fact that the team didn't select an RB on the first day says volumes.

Derrick Blaylock is a good backup but Ced is the ultimate sleeper this year to me :shhh:

Sleeper, you sound like you've never watched CMart before last year. This is the guy who started 103 straight games for the Jets... he's not exactly KiJana Carter.Craven,

http://www.nfl.com/players/playerpage/237114

 

[fruity pebbles]

Martin looked terrible last year. At 33 I have little hope that he's suddenly going to improve. Houston just flat out looked better with the same QB and O-line.

 

[Rovers]

I'd pay to see a list of ten 1000 yard RBs with a comparable ADP.

Martin's poor numbers were the result of his surrounding cast and having 11 guys in the box, not his "getting old."

Surely he's lost a bit of a step, but he's still more than capable of putting up very solid numbers.  Something like 1150/7/250/2

And all he needs to one-up Barry Sanders for third on the all-time rushing totals is about 1200.

Even looking at last year, it's not like he spent all season and only had 800 yards to show for it.  He didn't have an offensive line or a Quarterback.  and he STILL was on pace for 1000/7.

You really think the Jets team is going to be WORSE this year?  I don't think they'll win 5 or 6 games, but they'll have a much better 4-12 season than they did last year.

FWIW, in the drafts I've taken part in and seen thusfar, CMart has gone much later than 6th round (70), and has been more like 7 or 8, with me being the one drafting him.

I can see Leon Washington working in as his #2, and Houston at FB, but don't be the fool who thinks CMart is done because he had the deck stacked against him last year.

Certainly 33 is getting up there, but I'm not sure Larry Johnson could run on 11 man fronts.

33 isn't just "getting up there" it is a pretty significant number in a RB's life especially in one as well treaded as CuMart's. Mangini comes of the BB branch of the tree and while I'm sure veteran leadership is an important part of the formula he will also not be afraid to put a player out to pasture. IMO, it is CuMart's time to go. The best case scenario for him is an Emmitt Smith/Cardinals type season where the backs that are in place are just not good enough to even get the job done. I don't think this will be the case in NYJ as Houston is an underrated tailback, IMO. He put up servicable numbers last year against those "11 man fronts.":

NYJ CAR 10 53 0 0 0 0 0

NYJ NO 5 12 0 0 0 0 0

NYJ OAK 28 74 1 0 0 0 0

NYJ MIA 15 84 0 4 4 40 0

NYJ NE 5 14 0 2 1 2 0

NYJ BUF 16 55 1 1 1 6 0

Not great, not terrible but I think he could be servicable. Plus you add in Blaylock and Washington and it looks more and more like RBBC. Herm tried to use CuMart like he always did early on in the season and it was clear he lost something. He only had one good game against Buffalo. What is the saddest part is that he did worse rushing the 2 games they actually won when he was healthy. If we accept that his upside is probably around 800-900 yds with 4-5 tds then I guess that would make him at least a servicable 3 but anyone expecting more than that is a fool.

I have to disagree somewhat here..... people are forgeting that the Jets O line tried to go with Zone blocking last year, and that had a lot to do with why the O line was so terrible, contributing to Martin's slow start fairly significantly. The unit never came close to executing zone blocking correctly. In fact, they were completely lost in that system. Then, the injuries started to mount up. That set the unit back even further, when one considers how much offensive lineman have to make reads and react in zone blocking. While Mangold and Ferguson will make their share of rookie mistakes, the Jets O line will be significantly better from the get go this year, going back to game planned man blocking schemes. To judge Martin on those first two games is a mistake, I think. After that, he should have been OUT.... but Edwards is a dork. Even Edwards later admitted Martin's knee was in no shape to be playing.

Having said that, I also agree that he is a good #3 RB in a 12 team redraft. I'd also get Houston later on though. I seriously doubt that Blaylock will get many carries, or the Jets would not have drafted Washington, who appears to be VERY similar to what Blaylock does best. Blaylock was cheaper to keep than to cut.... that's why he's still on the roster, but Washington is the "planned for" future 3rd down RB.

I see Martin as getting around 15 rushes per game. Add another two receptions. Somewhere around 225 carries for the year. Around 900 yards, 5 to 6 TD's, and another 175 in reception yardage.

Houston I have down for about 125 carries, around 500 yards, and 4 to 5 TD's.

Washington and Blaylock will split the remaining carries, around 50 or so.

This is, and will remain PURE guesswork, into and past training camp, and through even the preseason. Whether or not the situation will be any clearer by week 1 is still just guessowrk, things can, and probably will change a lot what with a new CS and rookie HC and OC.

Martin is an exceptional football player, and has the potential to surprise. It's a long shot, but I can't completely ignore the possibilty.

 

[CravenM]

Sleeper, you sound like you've never watched CMart before last year. This is the guy who started 103 straight games for the Jets... he's not exactly KiJana Carter.

Craven,

http://www.nfl.com/players/playerpage/237114

I like Nick Goings as much as the next guy but I wouldn't put him in the same class as Houston.I see Cedric Houston more like a Larry Johnson type a few years ago being drafted in the first when they still had Priest Holmes. Then again, hindsight shows they could have had Anquan Boldin, taken Dominik Davis in the 3rd or built up their defense more.

I think the Jets may have gotten a huge bargain (6th round) with CHous that will pay off for a while.

 

[Topes]

Many have said it. I'll echo it. 33

He's one of my favorite players of all time, but I wouldn't bank on him being a steal. I traded him away in my dynasty league, but still might take a flyer on him in my auction redraft, if he's way cheap.

 

[JMJ]

houston w/ the 2 new huge lineman could have a bright future.

Neither of the two new lineman are "huge." On the contrary, they are both known for their speed, agility, and quickness. Their "size" is there only question marks. HTH.

 

[Red Apples]

houston w/ the 2 new huge lineman could have a bright future.

Neither of the two new lineman are "huge." On the contrary, they are both known for their speed, agility, and quickness. Their "size" is there only question marks. HTH.

i meant huge w/ potential.

 

[Bri]

33 isn't just "getting up there" it is a pretty significant number in a RB's life especially in one as well treaded as CuMart's. Mangini comes of the BB branch of the tree and while I'm sure veteran leadership is an important part of the formula he will also not be afraid to put a player out to pasture. IMO, it is CuMart's time to go. The best case scenario for him is an Emmitt Smith/Cardinals type season where the backs that are in place are just not good enough to even get the job done.

Mangini has to be real careful in how he deals with Martin and giving him less time. He's one of the most/more respected players in the history of the sport. Like his idol Sweetness, everyone around the league knows how good a person he is, how he's such a team player and consummate leader, how he donates a ton of money and time to less fortunate kids near pittsburgh etc. If Mangini tosses him aside like a ragdoll it could hurt his coaching career. If he treats him with respect, it could also go a long way. He'd better be careful. Due to free agency, word travels in the NFL real fast.I imagine Houston and Blaylock getting many tries to be "the man" and not getting it done so Martin comes in to get it done. After so many weeks, Martin becomes the true starter and they draft someone next year.

Blaylock was excellent for brief periods in KC. If I see him do well in preseason, he'll rocket up my cheatsheet. Until then, I'm stepping back and assuming he was a product of their system. However, I would not be surprised if he's the steal of the 06 FF draft.

I worry about the Jets line with two rookies. They're great talents but it would seem like a given that they struggle at least during the first 4-6 weeks. I never think it's fair to predict greatness "right out of the gate" for rookies. However, the Jets line could be real good real quick and for a long time once they get settled.

 

[The Mechanic]

2 years ago I wasted a draft position on L. Jorden expecting C. Martin to fold somewhere during the year. Although he got banged up with bad ankles numerious times along with other injuries he never relinquished HIS role.

"The Man " is a out and out GAMER!

I will be eagerly watching training camp to judge his capabilities according to his health.

 

[EBF]

I've considered Houston in a few different drafts this offseason, but I can't shake this feeling that his ceiling is limited to Troy Hambrick in Dallas type numbers. Martin is over-the-hill and on the way out, but he's probably still going to vulture a healthy share of carries.

I'd avoid all NYJ RBs this year with the possible exception of Houston in dynasty (only if the price is right).

 

[Biabreakable]

I've considered Houston in a few different drafts this offseason, but I can't shake this feeling that his ceiling is limited to Troy Hambrick in Dallas type numbers. Martin is over-the-hill and on the way out, but he's probably still going to vulture a healthy share of carries.

I'd avoid all NYJ RBs this year with the possible exception of Houston in dynasty (only if the price is right).

I like Cedric Houston a lot but I agree with your assesment of him. I think he is capable of being a feature RB for the Jets but unless he becomes a lot better (possible if full recovery from thyroid condition improves his speed/stamina) I don't think he is a special RB and will be replaced sooner (2007) or later (2008).I thought he was a great value as a late 3rd to 4th round pick (ADP) in rookie drafts last year and his stock has definitly increased. However I think he is a sell high because of his limitations long term.

ETA- I think Martin is done. But I could still see him getting the majority of the workload for the Jets this year. They need his blocking with the green Oline still getting thier legs. As allready said Martin could have a year similar to Emmitt's last year in AZ which is not bad at all considering how late you can get him.

 

[B. Nugget]

I've considered Houston in a few different drafts this offseason, but I can't shake this feeling that his ceiling is limited to Troy Hambrick in Dallas type numbers. Martin is over-the-hill and on the way out, but he's probably still going to vulture a healthy share of carries.

I'd avoid all NYJ RBs this year with the possible exception of Houston in dynasty (only if the price is right).

I like Cedric Houston a lot but I agree with your assesment of him. I think he is capable of being a feature RB for the Jets but unless he becomes a lot better (possible if full recovery from thyroid condition improves his speed/stamina) I don't think he is a special RB and will be replaced sooner (2007) or later (2008).I thought he was a great value as a late 3rd to 4th round pick (ADP) in rookie drafts last year and his stock has definitly increased. However I think he is a sell high because of his limitations long term.

ETA- I think Martin is done. But I could still see him getting the majority of the workload for the Jets this year. They need his blocking with the green Oline still getting thier legs. As allready said Martin could have a year similar to Emmitt's last year in AZ which is not bad at all considering how late you can get him.

I got Houston with the last pick in our keeper league last year and stashed him on my rookie squad, where I can keep him for free since he was never activated, and I'm excited as hell for his prospects of even splitting carries with CuMart this year. If he gets a chance to be featured, I like his chances, but I'm not naive enough to believe that he will supplant a healthy CuMart this year as the definitive #1. The CuMart owner laughed when I drafted him, now he is trying to acquire him cheaply, to which I reply no thanks!The thing is, if he gets a chance to shine later in the year, those 5-600 yds and 4-6 TD projections I've seen will probably come in one lump sum, which is never bad during the most critical portion of the season.

B. Nugget

 

[LHUCKS]

Houston is a stop gap based on what I saw from him last year.

 

[AB in DC]

If I had to draft a Jets backup RB, I'd take Leon Washington ahead of Houston any day.

 

[Bri]

If I had to draft a Jets backup RB, I'd take Leon Washington ahead of Houston any day.

wasn't he cut? what RB was cut if not?

 

[wannabee]

If I had to draft a Jets backup RB, I'd take Leon Washington ahead of Houston any day.

wasn't he cut? what RB was cut if not?

dontrell moore i think

 

[Bri]

If I had to draft a Jets backup RB, I'd take Leon Washington ahead of Houston any day.

wasn't he cut? what RB was cut if not?

dontrell moore i think

ahhh thanks

 

[Traders2001]

If I had to draft a Jets backup RB, I'd take Leon Washington ahead of Houston any day.

wasn't he cut? what RB was cut if not?

dontrell moore i think

ahhh thanks

Who is Leon Washimgton ................

 

[Dirty Weasel]

CMart as your RB2 in a 12-teamer - ouch

CMart as your RB3 in a 12-teamer - decent

CMart as your RB4 in a 12-teamer - excellent

That sums it up.

 

[Rovers]

If I had to draft a Jets backup RB, I'd take Leon Washington ahead of Houston any day.

Why? Washington is a near clone of Balylock. Both players have less than stellar injury histories, and both appear best suited as third down RB's. Houston on the other hand, is a very different kind of RB. He's not as fast, but he has enough speed to get outside and he has the size to play every down. He's better than Martin, or any of the other RB's between the tackles. He showed some flashes near the end of last year.... not going down on first contact behind a really pitiful O line. He can catch the ball coming out of the backfield. Houston has the best chance of being THE guy if Martin goes down, or if Houston simply outplays him.

 

[fruity pebbles]

If I had to draft a Jets backup RB, I'd take Leon Washington ahead of Houston any day.

Why? Washington is a near clone of Balylock. Both players have less than stellar injury histories, and both appear best suited as third down RB's. Houston on the other hand, is a very different kind of RB. He's not as fast, but he has enough speed to get outside and he has the size to play every down. He's better than Martin, or any of the other RB's between the tackles. He showed some flashes near the end of last year.... not going down on first contact behind a really pitiful O line. He can catch the ball coming out of the backfield. Houston has the best chance of being THE guy if Martin goes down, or if Houston simply outplays him.

Agree. He looked pretty good behind a makeshift o-line and with a joke of a QB.

 

[The Ref]

Camp should clear the smoke a little.

Best post on the matter yet.

Denver/Indi/NO/Jets

Going to watch a lot of Pre season this year.....