Cutler will not report on Monday (2 Viewers)

[candymanvandyfan]

Just for sport, and to save twitch the trouble:Through three seasons. Also, with these quarterbacks, through the age of 25:Games StartedJohn Elway 40Eli Manning 39Jeff George 38Troy Aikman 38Jay Cutler 37Joe Montana 24Philip Rivers 18CompletionsJay Cutler 762Eli Manning 690John Elway 664Jeff George 640Troy Aikman 618Joe Montana 500Philip Rivers 301Passing YardsJay Cutler 9024Eli Manning 8079John Elway 8152Jeff George 7025Troy Aikman 7082Joe Montana 5456Philip Rivers 3536TouchdownsJay Cutler 54Eli Manning 54John Elway 47Joe Montana 35Jeff George 33Troy Aikman 31Philip Rivers 23InterceptionsPhilip Rivers 10Joe Montana 21Jay Cutler 37Jeff George 40Eli Manning 44Troy Aikman 46John Elway 52Cutler is 25. He certainly has the potential to be a great player, as many players do at that age. He is certainly not trending badly for a 25 year old. As a rancher once told me, though, potential is the nail you can't hang your chaps on. Perhaps McDaniels will be better with someone more experienced like Jeff Garcia.

They dont keep track of wins anymore? Or playoff appearances? I know, I know. A QB cant do it all by himself. What was I thinking? Go back and dig up some win totals.

He's not a boxer, but just to keep you entertained:Wins John Elway 27Eli Manning 20Jay Cutler 17Joe Montana 15Troy Aikman 14Philip Rivers 14Jeff George 12And a correction: Philip Rivers only started 16 games through his first three years. I wrote 18. Sorry.

 

[JamesTheScot]

reality>

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Broncos' McDaniels won't pamper stars

Associated Press

ENGLEWOOD, Colo. -- Josh McDaniels didn't get to bring his protege with him from New England to Denver. He sure brought the Patriots' management philosophies to the Mile High City, though.

Aside from the intricate Patriots-style offense he's installing in place of the West Coast system that's been here since the 1990s, the Broncos' new coach is instilling a tenet prized by his mentor, Bill Belichick, who, for the sake of team unity, never panders to superstars.

It helps explain why McDaniels didn't just hang up the phone when teams called about a three-way swap that would have sent his best player packing and brought Matt Cassel over from New England before he landed in Kansas City instead.

It also shows why McDaniels hasn't acquiesced in the resulting feud with recalcitrant quarterback Jay Cutler, who now wants a trade.

One player McDaniels did get to bring with him to Denver is free agent wide receiver Jabar Gaffney, who said McDaniels is just like Belichick in so many ways both on the football field and in the front office.

"Just how he handles business, the way he goes about treating everybody the same. Not showing favoritism to any one player who is supposed to be I guess a 'star,'" Gaffney said. "They don't care. They want a team. A team to go out there and win. Because the individuals won't win."

Gaffney saw those philosophies firsthand when McDaniels was New England's offensive coordinator the last three years.

Even Tom Brady, a three-time Super Bowl winner, caught plenty of guff from McDaniels, Gaffney recounted.

"Yeah, I think Tom got [chewed out] just about as much as everybody else did. So, that's great. Once you see your quarterback get talked to, then you know Coach is showing no favoritism," Gaffney said.

"Everybody has to show up and play."

Which is what the Broncos want Cutler, the face of their franchise, to do.

McDaniels is still waiting for Cutler to call him so they can try to work things out one last time. Cutler is in Nashville, Tenn., waiting for a phone call telling him the Broncos have heeded his request for a trade that he made Sunday through his agent, Bus Cook.

...

In New England, Brady is notorious for his work ethic. But Gaffney said it wasn't just that Brady led by example.



"Everybody is held accountable," Gaffney said. "Tom did his thing, but I mean, whether he would have been there or not, everybody was going to go out there and work hard. Same thing that Josh kind of said in our team meeting: 'Everybody that's here, let's go to work. We're a team. That deal [with Cutler] with get handled.'

"So, we'll love to have him here," Gaffney said. "I was looking forward to meeting him. That will happen all in its time."

Unless Cutler forces his way out of Denver.

or maybe what the Patriots, the envy of the rest of the NFL, don't do things in a way that's reality based?

McDaniels <> Belichick. At least not yet. Just like the rest of his disciples have failed to mimick the Patriots blueprint. He may think he does already and that's why he's acting this way. He'll most likely be mistaken and it's going to cost Broncos fans a long time finding the next QB. It's the same idea as trying to take democracy and instill it in a foreign country that can't handle it. Just because it's so successful here doesn't mean it will be everywhere else. And if you don't have a backup plan, then you just screwed the pooch for a long time coming.

I think it's a bit silly to think a coach has to prove something to the team BEFORE he takes his tough, team-first approach.I offer as exhibit A...Tom Coughlin. Coughlin had a tough rep in Jacksonville from the start despite it being his first pro HC job. He had been a stern college coach for 3 years at Boston College. But he probably developed that approach while as an assistant to Parcells long before then. He ended his tenure in Jacksonville on less than a high note with a common complaint that he was too tough on his players. Now he's a Super Bowl winning coach, but he came into the NY job with the same disciplinarian approach well before he won his Super Bowl. So when did Coughlin earn the right to become a disciplinarian?

To look at it another way, how would any player take a coach seriously who decided to become more tough and team opriented AFTER he won some games? First, they would wonder why a guy was changing his philosophy because it makes him look inconsistent, unsure of himself and it undermines stability by changing their perceptions of his expectations. Secondly, they'd wonder why he's trying to change the philosophy that was working in getting the team some wins. So you can see that it would be impossible to become more strict as things progress if you can only do so after attaining some success.

It's the nature of the beast. It's difficult to take a permissive approach in an organization, football or otherwise, and then clamp down later. Your subordinates remember the way it used to be and they aren't going to enjoy the change or take the the heavier yoke with any enthusiasm. In fact, it often increases the turmoil. So if a coach is going to take this stern, team-first approach, he has to do so from the get go.

Disagree with McDaniels on his assessment of the talent of Cutler v. Cassell. Fault him (or whoever it was) for not owning up to the trade rumors when Cutler first enquired about it. But to say he has to earn the right to instill a team-first, no special treatment philosophy in his team is just crazy.

 

[Rockchild]

I think it's a bit silly to think a coach has to prove something to the team BEFORE he takes his tough, team-first approach.

I offer as exhibit A...Tom Coughlin. Coughlin had a tough rep in Jacksonville from the start despite it being his first pro HC job. He had been a stern college coach for 3 years at Boston College. But he probably developed that approach while as an assistant to Parcells long before then. He ended his tenure in Jacksonville on less than a high note with a common complaint that he was too tough on his players. Now he's a Super Bowl winning coach, but he came into the NY job with the same disciplinarian approach well before he won his Super Bowl. So when did Coughlin earn the right to become a disciplinarian?

The championship comes after Coughlin, 61, sat down with Giants owners and promised changes in his approach to coaching. In 2006, New York became the eighth NFL team to reach the postseason after winning just half their regular-season games, and lost in the first round of the playoffs for the third straight year. After the season, Giants owners John Mara and Jonathan Tisch met with their coach, whose contract was almost expired. Coughlin received a one-year extension and went to work, forming a player's leadership council to get more input from the team.

Both players and owners said Coughlin became more open and accessible to the team, improved communication and never went backward, even when the Giants started the season 0-2.

`It Worked'

``We met with him and we asked him to step it up and he did that,'' Tisch said in an interview after the game in Glendale, Arizona. ``I'm not in the locker room so I really have no clue what he did. Whatever it was, it worked.''

Giants players embraced the new Coughlin.

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=206...&refer=home

 

[massraider]

I think it's a bit silly to think a coach has to prove something to the team BEFORE he takes his tough, team-first approach.

no, it's silly to think he is automatically in the right because it worked for his old boss.I don't think moves that worked for BB are guaranteed to work for someone else, and we certainly shouldn't hold up general stories about the Patriot Way as some proof that McDaniel is on the right track. In fact, history tells us that BB keeps his magic in-house, and his assistants don't take it with them.

 

[Liquid Tension]

You are far off the mark on both the bolded parts. It isn't that simple and I am shocked that you don't know this. In fact, I think you do know this, but it doesn't serve your purpose here. As for making this a NE thing, I can only say the world doesn't revolve around NE and I don't think this has ANYTHING to do with where McDaniels is coming from. Why are NE fans so insecure? This coming from Twitch who usually has much more perspective than other NE fans. Are you having a bad day?

I don't get it, unless you have some agenda against Cutler?

My agenda is against professional athletes who have little to no appreciation for the millions and millions of dollars they earn. And continue to live in a world they assume revolves around them. Cutler is obviously showing little regard for the other players in Denver, the fans in Denver, and ownership in Denver that has stayed committed to producing a winning team for that community for years. I will maintain that perspective as long as I live and breath. And I'll hammer any and all athletes following a similar path. You want to call that an agenda or a slanted view, Id understand. I dont throw up my arms daily because of it. Clearly that would get old quick. But this is an extremely polarizing case. And at this stage, one guy in this case is holding a team hostage. Yet, the other guy's still getting blamed.

Fair enough and thank you for your reasonable response!

 

[fsufan]

Denver fans. is cutler going to be traded?

if i was a Denver fan and he was traded, i would be

 

[charlatan]

Denver fans. is cutler going to be traded?if i was a Denver fan and he was traded, i would be

One Denver fan here that would be happy if he left. Stats shmats... I watch all the games and haven't liked much of what I've seen. I know, I know, a lot of "football" people say he's great... I just don't see it.

 

[chook]

Denver fans. is cutler going to be traded?if i was a Denver fan and he was traded, i would be

One Denver fan here that would be happy if he left. Stats shmats... I watch all the games and haven't liked much of what I've seen. I know, I know, a lot of "football" people say he's great... I just don't see it.

Well then you'll be in for a treat when Chris Simms is doing his bit to make the 2009 Broncos resemble to 2008 Lions. Won't know what you've had in Jay until he's gone.

 

[dlptown]

I still don't understand why more teams are jumping at the opportunity to get Cutler- I am one of the few Jeff George fans out there, but there are only so many QB's who are fun to watch wing the ball around with such bravado, and Cutler is one of those.

Wow......

Completions

Jay Cutler 762

Eli Manning 690

John Elway 664

Jeff George 640

Troy Aikman 618

Joe Montana 500

Philip Rivers 301

Passing Yards

Jay Cutler 9024

Eli Manning 8079

John Elway 8152

Jeff George 7025

Troy Aikman 7082

Joe Montana 5456

Philip Rivers 3536

I would be pissed in Denver, but I am also mad that SF isn't making a strong run at him ( I know Singletary is going to have a run-first offense, but they do run the ball well and that gets the 8 in the box at some point......)

 

[FreeBaGeL]

Denver fans. is cutler going to be traded?if i was a Denver fan and he was traded, i would be

One Denver fan here that would be happy if he left. Stats shmats... I watch all the games and haven't liked much of what I've seen. I know, I know, a lot of "football" people say he's great... I just don't see it.

Well then you'll be in for a treat when Chris Simms is doing his bit to make the 2009 Broncos resemble to 2008 Lions. Won't know what you've had in Jay until he's gone.

 

[Black Sunshine]

Just let me know when he's in a Vikings uniform...

 

[ScottyFargo]

Just let me know when he's in a Vikings uniform...

Ten Teams have called about Cutler

That increases the odds that Minnesota was one of 'em. But the cost also goes up with all the interest, so who knows. Maybe the article's right and we'll hear more specifics after Sunday's owners meeting.

 

[Banger]

Just let me know when he's in a Vikings uniform...

Ten Teams have called about Cutler

That increases the odds that Minnesota was one of 'em. But the cost also goes up with all the interest, so who knows. Maybe the article's right and we'll hear more specifics after Sunday's owners meeting.

I wonder why so many teams would be interested in a whiney, malcontent, that hasn't had a winning record since HS?

 

[Despyzer]

I wonder why so many teams would be interested in a whiney, malcontent, that hasn't had a winning record since HS?

Hoping that the Broncos are motivated to unload him? It would be stupid for any team not to at least inquire about an asking price. The fact that 2/3 of the NFL teams don't even have enough interest to simply pick up the phone is probably more significant than the fact that ten teams have.

 

[massraider]

I wonder why so many teams would be interested in a whiney, malcontent, that hasn't had a winning record since HS?

Hoping that the Broncos are motivated to unload him? It would be stupid for any team not to at least inquire about an asking price. The fact that 2/3 of the NFL teams don't even have enough interest to simply pick up the phone is probably more significant than the fact that ten teams have.

I don't. 10 teams are interested in picking him up, plus however many are happy with their QB situation. Doesn't leave too many.

 

[ScottyFargo]

I wonder why so many teams would be interested in a whiney, malcontent, that hasn't had a winning record since HS?

Hoping that the Broncos are motivated to unload him? It would be stupid for any team not to at least inquire about an asking price. The fact that 2/3 of the NFL teams don't even have enough interest to simply pick up the phone is probably more significant than the fact that ten teams have.

I don't. 10 teams are interested in picking him up, plus however many are happy with their QB situation. Doesn't leave too many.

Correct. 10 teams called, eliminate these teams:

Teams who figure to have untouchable passers are New England (Tom Brady), Indianapolis (Peyton Manning), New Orleans (Drew Brees), the New York Giants (Eli Manning), San Diego (Philip Rivers), Pittsburgh (Ben Roethlisberger), Cincinnati (Carson Palmer), Green Bay (Aaron Rodgers), Atlanta (Matt Ryan) and Baltimore (Joe Flacco).

* Leaves another 12 teams who haven't called yet. That's not including Cleveland, who has Quinn and Anderson, so paying an outrageous cost for Cutler might not be deemed as necessary. We have to assume that other than the ten listed above that there are some teams who are somewhat satisfied with their QB situation, enough that they wouldn't feel comfortable getting into a bidding war over Cutler.

Ten teams interested in one QB's availability is quite a large sample of the NFL, all things considered, and it only shows what a potential mistake it would be to let him go.

And this is of course after Denver repeatedly has publicly said they aren't trading Cutler (while Bowlen has lamented that they might have too and clearly someone in the organization is leaking the #'s of people who HAVE called in order to bump up his price.) Maybe Denver will get a good price for him, but I still think they're silly for bringing in a new coach who even considered 'upgrading' at QB. This situation was totally avoidable.

* http://www.denverpost.com/broncos/ci_11954932

 

[ScottyFargo]

Have to think that it is possible that Ravens would prefer Cutler over Flacco.

They just moved up into the 1st round last year to draft him. He isn't perfect but I think he fits what they're doing in Baltimore, he's only going into his second year and he helped keep the team moving enough to get a winning record. Trying to upgrade from him this soon would be just like McDaniel trying to upgrade off of Cutler, in my opinion.

 

[Banger]

Have to think that it is possible that Ravens would prefer Cutler over Flacco.

If they were given a chance to pick between the two I'm sure they would rather have Cutler but Flacco's young, he performed well as a rookie, he's signed and they would have to give up a lot to land Cutler so I seriously doubt they'd consider replacing him.

 

[bcr8f]

Have to think that it is possible that Ravens would prefer Cutler over Flacco.

At what price?

 

[bcr8f]

Just let me know when he's in a Vikings uniform...

Ten Teams have called about Cutler

That increases the odds that Minnesota was one of 'em. But the cost also goes up with all the interest, so who knows. Maybe the article's right and we'll hear more specifics after Sunday's owners meeting.

Yes but what QB are they going to send?

 

[massraider]

Just let me know when he's in a Vikings uniform...

Ten Teams have called about Cutler

That increases the odds that Minnesota was one of 'em. But the cost also goes up with all the interest, so who knows. Maybe the article's right and we'll hear more specifics after Sunday's owners meeting.

Yes but what QB are they going to send?

You can say that about any of these teams except CLE.Nothing says the Broncos have to receive a QB back. might be nice, but if a team is trading for a Cutler, kind of stands to reason they don't have a decent one themselves.

What makes Minny different than the Jets, Bucs, or whoever?

 

[massraider]

Fantastic discussion on NFL Total Access just now. Wilcots, Lombardi, Davis really laid out all sides.

 

[Jedeye]

It seems most likely that if a deal happens, it will involve 3 if not more teams. As has been pointed out many times in this thread, few teams (if any) are in a position to make a staight deal for Cutler in which Denver gets a starting QB in return. I see Cleveland as being the center of any deal that happens. They have a QB to give and seem to be desperately seeking additional draft picks.

 

[moleculo]

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No Cutler trade? Boldin-Cards deal? More whispers from NFL meetings

Peter King > MONDAY MORNING QB

Posted: Monday March 23, 2009 8:29AM; Updated: Monday March 23, 2009 11:39AM

DANA POINT, Calif. -- So you've come to the annual NFL meetings, or at least you've come to read about the meetings, looking for big news. Sorry to disappoint you. I've got Meeting McNuggets, but I don't have the whole Porterhouse, mainly because there simply isn't one. No big decisions to be made on the new collective bargaining talks with new NFL Players Association chief DeMaurice Smith. Those talks are still a few weeks off. And no big rules changes. Still, this is what caught my eyes and ears Sunday:

News Item: I don't see Jay Cutler getting traded.

That's my feeling after talking to the involved parties for a (insert shameless plug here) Sports Illustrated story this week. Now, I can't say with conviction Cutler's going to be the Broncos' opening-day starter, but I do think coach Josh McDaniels will exhaust every avenue to try to get Cutler to stay, and I do think nothing's going to happen here. Funny thing is, around the lobby and meeting rooms, I couldn't find any coach who thought the Broncos should even think of trading Cutler.

"Say you're the Broncos, and Tampa Bay offers you two ones [two first-round picks] plus [second-year quarterback] Josh Johnson for Cutler,'' one NFC coach told me. "Denver makes the deal and picks a quarterback with one of the ones. You've traded the best young quarterback in football for two guys who might have a chance, but might be washouts, too. Denver's problem is they could never get fair value for him.''

I called Charlie Weis, the Notre Dame coach and mentor of McDaniels, and asked what I considered the biggest question McDaniels must ask himself as he figures how far he'll go to keep Cutler: If I have to kiss this kid's feet and kowtow to him to make him feel comfortable enough to stay, is that any way to form a coach-player relationship with the most important player on the team?

"It's a rhetorical question, but it's one I definitely would ask,'' said Weis, who left the Patriots' for Notre Dame in 2005, ceding the offensive coordinator's role to McDaniels. "That thought would go through my mind. You've got to be able to coach a quarterback, and coach him hard. You don't want to start your relationship that way.

"Look, I'm not taking sides here. I know Josh very well, and I don't know Jay. But the one question I would ask is: Why wouldn't anyone faced with such a big decision not go have a one-on-one meeting with the coach? It's common sense. Even if you end up telling the guy to go to hell, don't you have to actually talk face to face, alone, before making such a huge career decision?''

Last week, the venom from the Cutler camp was so toxic I said I thought he'd have to be traded. But it was interesting here, listening to former Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice speak to the body of league people (including McDaniels) and media here Sunday night. She talked at one point about how "history has a long arc,'' and how you have to take a long view of things. If you're always chasing the day's headlines, she said, you'll eventually become so reactionary you'll ignore long-term good for short-term satisfaction, and you'll fail. I was thinking of McDaniels and Denver management. I think, like Rice used to do in the Middle East, the Broncos will exhaust all diplomatic means. And with agent Bus Cook on record as saying Cutler will report to mandatory mini-camps and training camp, why trade the guy, there's certainly no reason to do anything fast ... even if that means you don't have a definitive answer on Cutler by draft day.

 

[TheFanatic]

The problem I see here from a Fantasy prespective is that while the personnel may stay the same, the playbook will not. Cutler missing the optional stuff, to me, is a very bad thing for the O in Denver....

 

[tommyGunZ]

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No Cutler trade? Boldin-Cards deal? More whispers from NFL meetings

Peter King > MONDAY MORNING QB

Posted: Monday March 23, 2009 8:29AM; Updated: Monday March 23, 2009 11:39AM

I think, like Rice used to do in the Middle East, the Broncos will exhaust all diplomatic means. And with agent Bus Cook on record as saying Cutler will report to mandatory mini-camps and training camp, why trade the guy, there's certainly no reason to do anything fast ... even if that means you don't have a definitive answer on Cutler by draft day.

 

[tommyGunZ]

Broncos coach Josh McDaniels reportedly text messaged Jay Cutler prior to the March 22-25 Owners' Meetings, but Cutler did not respond.

Cutler has requested a trade, skipped the conditioning program, and now appears to be totally ignoring McDaniels as the coach attempts to reconcile. The Denver Post suggests that the club may step up efforts to trade Cutler if he doesn't report for mid-April mandatory minicamps. Cutler previously said he'd show for mandatory work, but may have since changed his mind. Mar. 23 - 4:28 pm et

 

[dotman]

I think originally Cutler had a right to be pissed at McDaniels.....but if McDaniels is trying to mend fences now then it is time for Jay to grow up and do the same. Last year Steve Smith broke Ken Lucas' face and they were not only able to get past it, but it was said that the entire team grew closer after seeing how they were able to forgive and move on. QB's do need to be a leader and in my opinion if Jay is a true leader, he'll step up, move on and play good football. If he wants out then he can leave when his contract is up.

 

[gianmarco]

I think originally Cutler had a right to be pissed at McDaniels.....but if McDaniels is trying to mend fences now then it is time for Jay to grow up and do the same. Last year Steve Smith broke Ken Lucas' face and they were not only able to get past it, but it was said that the entire team grew closer after seeing how they were able to forgive and move on. QB's do need to be a leader and in my opinion if Jay is a true leader, he'll step up, move on and play good football. If he wants out then he can leave when his contract is up.

Why is it time for him to "grow up and do the same"? What if he wants out and has nothing to discuss with McDaniel's until he's traded? I don't understand the sentiment about why, now that Denver realizes they screwed up and blew previous chances to fix things, that Cutler has to go along with it and pretend none of it happened. Maybe he's past that point of no return and couldn't care less what Denver wants from him. So why does he need to do the same?

 

[Carolina Hustler]

I think originally Cutler had a right to be pissed at McDaniels.....but if McDaniels is trying to mend fences now then it is time for Jay to grow up and do the same. Last year Steve Smith broke Ken Lucas' face and they were not only able to get past it, but it was said that the entire team grew closer after seeing how they were able to forgive and move on. QB's do need to be a leader and in my opinion if Jay is a true leader, he'll step up, move on and play good football. If he wants out then he can leave when his contract is up.

Why is it time for him to "grow up and do the same"? What if he wants out and has nothing to discuss with McDaniel's until he's traded? I don't understand the sentiment about why, now that Denver realizes they screwed up and blew previous chances to fix things, that Cutler has to go along with it and pretend none of it happened. Maybe he's past that point of no return and couldn't care less what Denver wants from him. So why does he need to do the same?

Because he's under contract. Denver doesn't have to trade him. And he's costing them next to nothing for '09'... They could leave him on the bench and not even blink. They could get something for him now or later... What preasure are they under to move him?That's leverage...

 

[Rockchild]

I think originally Cutler had a right to be pissed at McDaniels.....but if McDaniels is trying to mend fences now then it is time for Jay to grow up and do the same. Last year Steve Smith broke Ken Lucas' face and they were not only able to get past it, but it was said that the entire team grew closer after seeing how they were able to forgive and move on. QB's do need to be a leader and in my opinion if Jay is a true leader, he'll step up, move on and play good football. If he wants out then he can leave when his contract is up.

Why is it time for him to "grow up and do the same"? What if he wants out and has nothing to discuss with McDaniel's until he's traded? I don't understand the sentiment about why, now that Denver realizes they screwed up and blew previous chances to fix things, that Cutler has to go along with it and pretend none of it happened. Maybe he's past that point of no return and couldn't care less what Denver wants from him. So why does he need to do the same?

Because he's under contract. Denver doesn't have to trade him. And he's costing them next to nothing for '09'... They could leave him on the bench and not even blink. They could get something for him now or later... What preasure are they under to move him?That's leverage...

They can leave him on the bench but I'm not sure that he'll be a team player and not disrupt the team. That is leverage too.

 

[gump]

I watched the McDaniels interview snippets on SC...and from what I've learned the last two months from "Lie to Me"...it was a show.

 

[massraider]

I think originally Cutler had a right to be pissed at McDaniels.....but if McDaniels is trying to mend fences now then it is time for Jay to grow up and do the same. Last year Steve Smith broke Ken Lucas' face and they were not only able to get past it, but it was said that the entire team grew closer after seeing how they were able to forgive and move on. QB's do need to be a leader and in my opinion if Jay is a true leader, he'll step up, move on and play good football. If he wants out then he can leave when his contract is up.

Why is it time for him to "grow up and do the same"? What if he wants out and has nothing to discuss with McDaniel's until he's traded? I don't understand the sentiment about why, now that Denver realizes they screwed up and blew previous chances to fix things, that Cutler has to go along with it and pretend none of it happened. Maybe he's past that point of no return and couldn't care less what Denver wants from him. So why does he need to do the same?

I have asked this question myself. The Broncos don't have a game this Sunday. Cutler can be again in the butt for quite a while longer if he so chooses.

 

[Tau837]

The Broncos don't have a game this Sunday. Cutler can be again in the butt for quite a while longer if he so chooses.

 

[Carolina Hustler]

I think originally Cutler had a right to be pissed at McDaniels.....but if McDaniels is trying to mend fences now then it is time for Jay to grow up and do the same. Last year Steve Smith broke Ken Lucas' face and they were not only able to get past it, but it was said that the entire team grew closer after seeing how they were able to forgive and move on. QB's do need to be a leader and in my opinion if Jay is a true leader, he'll step up, move on and play good football. If he wants out then he can leave when his contract is up.

Why is it time for him to "grow up and do the same"? What if he wants out and has nothing to discuss with McDaniel's until he's traded? I don't understand the sentiment about why, now that Denver realizes they screwed up and blew previous chances to fix things, that Cutler has to go along with it and pretend none of it happened. Maybe he's past that point of no return and couldn't care less what Denver wants from him. So why does he need to do the same?

Because he's under contract. Denver doesn't have to trade him. And he's costing them next to nothing for '09'... They could leave him on the bench and not even blink. They could get something for him now or later... What preasure are they under to move him?That's leverage...

They can leave him on the bench but I'm not sure that he'll be a team player and not disrupt the team. That is leverage too.

Not really. Maybe he would, but he'd be doing himself alot more damage in the process. Who do you remember from the TO vs. Philly saga?I'd say Denver firmly holds the trump card. Hell, they could suspend him if they needed to. He could spend the rest of the season watch the games from home. I doubt he'd do anything that would warrant suspension, but then what could he do otherwise to disrupt?

He doesn't hold the fans hearts like Farve did. Cook better realize this before he gets his client in to deep. The kid needs to play this year and play well if they can't broker a trade. For that reason he should start behaving better.

 

[Buffaloes]

This article says Cutler still planning on attending mandatory mini camp in April

http://cbs4denver.com/sports/nfl.broncos.c...r.2.965992.html

Reporting

Vic Lombardi

DENVER (CBS4) ―

Jay Cutler doesn't know if he'll be the Broncos quarterback in 2009, but as long as he is, he plans to show up at Dove Valley when it becomes mandatory.

I was able to communicate with Cutler Monday afternoon. He indicated to me that he still plans to be in Denver for the Broncos mini-camp in April. That's the earliest he's required to report without being in violation of his contract. So far, Cutler has skipped the Broncos voluntary workouts that began a week ago Monday.

Cutler also let me know that he saw parts of Josh McDaniels' interview with the NFL Network on Monday. In that interview, McDaniels stated several times that Cutler is his quarterback and he hopes to keep the lines of communication open to resolve their differences. When asked if he thought the situation was reparable, McDaniels said yes.

Cutler had no comment on McDaniels' interview.

 

[squistion]

I'd say Denver firmly holds the trump card. Hell, they could suspend him if they needed to. He could spend the rest of the season watch the games from home.

Yes, but only if the trump card is a three and Cutler is holding a deuce. If anyone has leverage here it is Cutler. His value would be pretty much the same if he sits out the season, but would be lessened considerably if he plays for Denver and goes 3-13 or 4-12 (which could happen with a new offensive scheme and a tough schedule).

 

[mcnabbmcnow]

Please, please let it be, Mcnabb, a 2nd, and a 4th for Cutler.

 

[massraider]

I think originally Cutler had a right to be pissed at McDaniels.....but if McDaniels is trying to mend fences now then it is time for Jay to grow up and do the same. Last year Steve Smith broke Ken Lucas' face and they were not only able to get past it, but it was said that the entire team grew closer after seeing how they were able to forgive and move on. QB's do need to be a leader and in my opinion if Jay is a true leader, he'll step up, move on and play good football. If he wants out then he can leave when his contract is up.

Why is it time for him to "grow up and do the same"? What if he wants out and has nothing to discuss with McDaniel's until he's traded? I don't understand the sentiment about why, now that Denver realizes they screwed up and blew previous chances to fix things, that Cutler has to go along with it and pretend none of it happened. Maybe he's past that point of no return and couldn't care less what Denver wants from him. So why does he need to do the same?

Because he's under contract. Denver doesn't have to trade him. And he's costing them next to nothing for '09'... They could leave him on the bench and not even blink. They could get something for him now or later... What preasure are they under to move him?That's leverage...

They can leave him on the bench but I'm not sure that he'll be a team player and not disrupt the team. That is leverage too.

Not really. Maybe he would, but he'd be doing himself alot more damage in the process. Who do you remember from the TO vs. Philly saga?

I remember TO getting a fat contract from a good team right away. Put him on the bench? That is not an option. For what, to teach him who is boss? With a lesser QB on the field? How long of a leash does McDaniels get from ownership and the fans in that scenario?

The Broncos have the advantage, as teams usually do. Cutler has to do everything mandatory, or risk costing himself money. But he has a long time before mandatory minicamps, and can make things really unpleasant for the Broncos for a while. If he wants a trade, now is the time, before the draft, to try and force one.

I watched McDaniels on NFL Network, he said "Jay's our quarterback", and that was it. Well, no kidding, Josh. He didn't say we will not trade Cutler, he didn't say Cutler was the QB of the future. He said, "I can't predict the future." If he is trying to mend fences with Cutler, that interview wasn't gonna get it done.

The only reason Jay needs to "get over it", is because it would help the Broncos. Well, if Jay wants out of town, what's the rush?

 

[Rockchild]

http://www.nfl.com/videos?categoryId=nflNetwork

The McDaniels interview is available here.

 

[Christo]

I think originally Cutler had a right to be pissed at McDaniels.....but if McDaniels is trying to mend fences now then it is time for Jay to grow up and do the same. Last year Steve Smith broke Ken Lucas' face and they were not only able to get past it, but it was said that the entire team grew closer after seeing how they were able to forgive and move on. QB's do need to be a leader and in my opinion if Jay is a true leader, he'll step up, move on and play good football. If he wants out then he can leave when his contract is up.

Why is it time for him to "grow up and do the same"? What if he wants out and has nothing to discuss with McDaniel's until he's traded? I don't understand the sentiment about why, now that Denver realizes they screwed up and blew previous chances to fix things, that Cutler has to go along with it and pretend none of it happened. Maybe he's past that point of no return and couldn't care less what Denver wants from him. So why does he need to do the same?

Because he's not 4.

 

[dotman]

I think originally Cutler had a right to be pissed at McDaniels.....but if McDaniels is trying to mend fences now then it is time for Jay to grow up and do the same. Last year Steve Smith broke Ken Lucas' face and they were not only able to get past it, but it was said that the entire team grew closer after seeing how they were able to forgive and move on. QB's do need to be a leader and in my opinion if Jay is a true leader, he'll step up, move on and play good football. If he wants out then he can leave when his contract is up.

Why is it time for him to "grow up and do the same"? What if he wants out and has nothing to discuss with McDaniel's until he's traded? I don't understand the sentiment about why, now that Denver realizes they screwed up and blew previous chances to fix things, that Cutler has to go along with it and pretend none of it happened. Maybe he's past that point of no return and couldn't care less what Denver wants from him. So why does he need to do the same?

I guess he doesn't NEED to, that's just my opinion of what a grown man would do in this situation.

 

[Gargoylez]

Denver fans. is cutler going to be traded?if i was a Denver fan and he was traded, i would be

One Denver fan here that would be happy if he left. Stats shmats... I watch all the games and haven't liked much of what I've seen. I know, I know, a lot of "football" people say he's great... I just don't see it.

Well then you'll be in for a treat when Chris Simms is doing his bit to make the 2009 Broncos resemble to 2008 Lions. Won't know what you've had in Jay until he's gone.

In comparison Simms is more physically talented then Cassell, and minimally has a much better arm. Simms has never had a fair shake to start and when he has its been witth chuckie face gruden who never produced a superstar in Tampa. It has already been reported that Simms would be an acceptable starter in Denver... at least NFL networks report that.Im not say Simms is better then Cutler but because Simms only showing was with reserved, poor play calling Gruden... we just don't know what Chris would do in a well run offense. IMO Simms could be just as good as Cassell by years end in Denver.

 

[gump]

In comparison Simms is more physically talented then Cassell, and minimally has a much better arm. Simms has never had a fair shake to start and when he has its been witth chuckie face gruden who never produced a superstar in Tampa. It has already been reported that Simms would be an acceptable starter in Denver... at least NFL networks report that.Im not say Simms is better then Cutler but because Simms only showing was with reserved, poor play calling Gruden... we just don't know what Chris would do in a well run offense. IMO Simms could be just as good as Cassell by years end in Denver.

Simms upside here was definitely high. He throws one of the best deep balls in the league, has a very strong arm for all throws, is a good sized QB, and obviously has a ton of heart.The downsides were that he was very slow making decisions, got an extraordinary amount of passes batted down at the LOS, and just flat out didn't put up alot of points.He was a square peg in a round hole in Gruden's offense. If he's still as strong as healthy as before, I agree he could be a legit starter in the right scheme.

 

[Carolina Hustler]

I remember TO getting a fat contract from a good team right away. Put him on the bench? That is not an option. For what, to teach him who is boss? With a lesser QB on the field? How long of a leash does McDaniels get from ownership and the fans in that scenario?The Broncos have the advantage, as teams usually do. Cutler has to do everything mandatory, or risk costing himself money. But he has a long time before mandatory minicamps, and can make things really unpleasant for the Broncos for a while. If he wants a trade, now is the time, before the draft, to try and force one.I watched McDaniels on NFL Network, he said "Jay's our quarterback", and that was it. Well, no kidding, Josh. He didn't say we will not trade Cutler, he didn't say Cutler was the QB of the future. He said, "I can't predict the future." If he is trying to mend fences with Cutler, that interview wasn't gonna get it done.The only reason Jay needs to "get over it", is because it would help the Broncos. Well, if Jay wants out of town, what's the rush?

Nobody wants TO anymore. His bad reputation doesn't come from what he did in Dallas. He was as well behaved there as he's been throughout his career. The Philly Episode damaged his long term value. Labeled him a trouble maker.Actually, in regards to McDaniels. He has recently said he won't trade Cutler. Not in this press conference. But that was one of his previous statements.And besides, this isn't really about the trade incident. Cutler actually asked to be traded. This is all about grabbing a large contract. His value will never be higher that it is now. His agent knows that. He just had his career year. They're using this situation as an excuse to go for the big pay day.

 

[Apollo]

Does anyone have a stat that compares Cutler with other QB's during the 4th quarter/crunch time?

 

[Tau837]

Does anyone have a stat that compares Cutler with other QB's during the 4th quarter/crunch time?

From Jay Cutler Split Stats, here are his splits by quarter for the 2008 season:1st Qtr 94/143 (65.7%) for 1056 yards (7.39 ypa), 7 TDs, 5 interceptions, 1.0 sacks, 89.4 QB rating

2nd Qtr 91/146 (62.3%) for 1103 yards (7.56 ypa), 5 TDs, 4 interceptions, 2.0 sacks, 85.5 QB rating

3rd Qtr 99/160 (61.9%) for 1155 yards (7.22 ypa), 2 TDs, 5 interceptions, 3.0 sacks, 74.9 QB rating

4th Qtr 100/167 (59.9%) for 1212 yards (7.26 ypa), 11 TDs, 4 interceptions, 5.0 sacks, 94.2 QB rating

Looks like he was at his best in the 4th quarter.

In looking over these splits, I noticed on passes thrown 31+ yards downfield, he was only 4/27 for 193 yards, with 1 TD and 4 interceptions. I was surprised to see this, given the quality of his WRs and the reputation of his arm... at some point, they should have just stopped throwing downfield...

 

[Carolina Hustler]

Does anyone have a stat that compares Cutler with other QB's during the 4th quarter/crunch time?

From Jay Cutler Split Stats, here are his splits by quarter for the 2008 season:1st Qtr 94/143 (65.7%) for 1056 yards (7.39 ypa), 7 TDs, 5 interceptions, 1.0 sacks, 89.4 QB rating

2nd Qtr 91/146 (62.3%) for 1103 yards (7.56 ypa), 5 TDs, 4 interceptions, 2.0 sacks, 85.5 QB rating

3rd Qtr 99/160 (61.9%) for 1155 yards (7.22 ypa), 2 TDs, 5 interceptions, 3.0 sacks, 74.9 QB rating

4th Qtr 100/167 (59.9%) for 1212 yards (7.26 ypa), 11 TDs, 4 interceptions, 5.0 sacks, 94.2 QB rating

Looks like he was at his best in the 4th quarter.

In looking over these splits, I noticed on passes thrown 31+ yards downfield, he was only 4/27 for 193 yards, with 1 TD and 4 interceptions. I was surprised to see this, given the quality of his WRs and the reputation of his arm... at some point, they should have just stopped throwing downfield...

Does his best in mop up time.....

 

[Tau837]

Does anyone have a stat that compares Cutler with other QB's during the 4th quarter/crunch time?

From Jay Cutler Split Stats, here are his splits by quarter for the 2008 season:1st Qtr 94/143 (65.7%) for 1056 yards (7.39 ypa), 7 TDs, 5 interceptions, 1.0 sacks, 89.4 QB rating

2nd Qtr 91/146 (62.3%) for 1103 yards (7.56 ypa), 5 TDs, 4 interceptions, 2.0 sacks, 85.5 QB rating

3rd Qtr 99/160 (61.9%) for 1155 yards (7.22 ypa), 2 TDs, 5 interceptions, 3.0 sacks, 74.9 QB rating

4th Qtr 100/167 (59.9%) for 1212 yards (7.26 ypa), 11 TDs, 4 interceptions, 5.0 sacks, 94.2 QB rating

Looks like he was at his best in the 4th quarter.

In looking over these splits, I noticed on passes thrown 31+ yards downfield, he was only 4/27 for 193 yards, with 1 TD and 4 interceptions. I was surprised to see this, given the quality of his WRs and the reputation of his arm... at some point, they should have just stopped throwing downfield...

Does his best in mop up time.....

I guess you didn't bother to look at the split stats I linked. Here are Cutler's QB ratings based on point differential:Ahead: 88.8

Tied: 110.4

Behind: 76.2

Expanding on that a bit:

Ahead by 9-16: 82.4

Ahead by 1-8: 87.7

Tied: 110.4

Behind by 1-8: 90.3

Behind by 9-16: 68.0

Either your opinion is not supported by facts or you have a strange definition of mop up time. And I am not a Cutler fan.

 

[chook]

And I am not a Cutler fan.

Good posts, JWB. After seeing the SD logo in your sig I was expecting the stats to be negative!