Dallas Cowboys trading up in the draft...deal underway...shake up in d (1 Viewer)

[{Syrus}]

I live in the Dallas area and through my producing ventures with affiliate networks here in the area have made great contacts with people tied into the Dallas Cowboys. An area reporter has told me that through a team source he has learned Jerry Jones and Al Davis have been engaged in heavy trade talks for the #4 overall selection of the NFL draft, something could be done by the end of the weekend as I was told Jerry Jones and Stephen Jones are flying to Oakland tomorrow.

Naturally, I inquired as to any indication of who Jerry Jones is targeting. McFadden? The answer was an astounding, "No." Jerry Jones is looking at Vernon Gholston. Jones knowing he will have to leap frog the NY Jets and NE Patriots to land this physical specimen feels Oakland's #4 overall selection is the prime opportunity to do so. I was told Jerry Jones feels Gholston is the perfect bookend to Demarcus Ware and feels this will give Dallas the best pair of DE/OLB's in the entire NFL. And with already one of the best offenses in the NFL, drafting the Gholston to rotate in with an aging Greg Ellis will bring the defense to a championship level.

Just what I'm hearing, stay tuned.

 

[scrumptrulescent]

Is it April 1 today?

 

[Ridgelake]

Ummm.....well........uhhhhhh....

There are so many issues here I won't even begin. Well, maybe I will.

Who's going to play CB? What do you do with Spencer? And Carpenter? And Ellis? Cap room?

Doing that would be beyond bizarre.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

Everything in Dallas points to a win now mode. I am sure they are wanting to move up in the draft to get an impact rookie. how many positions on the defense are open? Not many if any. Offense? QB-RB-WR-TE-OT-OG...they have most of this locked down so they have the luxury of moving up in the draft and grabbing a McFadden if they so desire...I think they really only need to move up enough to pick Mendenhal but I think the fact they want mcFadden to balance out Barber should tell you what most teams really feel about McFadden. McFadden may not be able to be an every down back in the NFL, much like Reggie bush, however the Cowboys would be aperfect team for him as I am sure with 10-12 carries a game or whatever they want to use him for he willmake a big impact even as a rookie.

The reason i say win now is because most teams would like to have 2 1st rounders even if they are in the last 1/3 of the round...Dallas feels they would rather take 1 impact player over 2 guys that will likely not be competing for starting jobs but would be more for depth.

Jerry Jones didn't learn much over the past decade has he? The Patriots never drafted for immediate impact but took the best of what came to them and they have built a winner for years to come. Dallas is going to waste a lot of hard work that was laid down by Bill Parcells.

 

[DaWidowMaker]

Not going to say that this isn't true but it just seems too too far fetched. Why draft Anthony Spencer last year (who was great by rookie standards until Ellis came back) only to turn around and draft Gholston?

Cowboys have more pressing needs and as most have mentioned CB and WR is one of them. Now if you would have said for Cromartie I would've been more easily swayed.

 

[Andy Herron]

I find this very hard to digest. It goes far beyond common sense. Talk about upsetting the apple cart. Geez.

Hey, I could be wrong. Have been before, as has everybody.

My take on this is if, in fact, Jerry and Stephen are indeed flying out to Oakland tomorrow, it may have more to do with looking into the abundance of DBs the Raiders have on hand, to either:

1. See about making a trade for one, seeing as how the whole Pacman thing has all but died, or

2. See if it lights a fire within the Titans organization to lighten up on their trade demands for Pacman.

 

[Jason Wood]

Syrus indicated this is a rumor from a tangential source. It's no better or worse than 75% of what's thrown around this time of year. As far as rumors go, I've heard a lot worse. Jones is an aggressive guy, certainly he has reason to believe his team is one or two impact players away from being a Super Bowl champion. He no doubt also witnessed how a team in his own division won the Super Bowl largely on the back of a dominating front line, despite having inferior talent to the Cowboys at many other positions. Add to that his familiarity with Al Davis; and the fact Davis has already shelled out mountains of $$$$ to sign all those free agents, and I could see him wanting out of the 4th spot for the right price.

As others have said, it's PROBABLY nothing. But let's not pile on here and say how silly this deal is or is not. If you don't think it will happen, fine, just move on. But let's discuss the ramifications if it WERE to happen.

 

[{Syrus}]

1. See about making a trade for one, seeing as how the whole Pacman thing has all but died, or

The Pacman Jones trade is as close to a done deal as one can get without announcing it, from what I've heard, and is not dead at all. Deion Sanders was on NFL total access and told the network "the trigger has been pulled" on the trade, as in its a go. Hangups seem to be on next year's conditional pick, but should be resolved by draft day I would guess. Everything speeds up as the draft approaches.

 

[TheFanatic]

As others have said, it's PROBABLY nothing. But let's not pile on here and say how silly this deal is or is not. If you don't think it will happen, fine, just move on. But let's discuss the ramifications if it WERE to happen.

Let's see those mocks with Jake Long going 1 to Miami (in talks right now over a contract but that doesn't guarantee a 1.1 selection) and Gholston going 4th....

 

[Andy Herron]

1. See about making a trade for one, seeing as how the whole Pacman thing has all but died, or

The Pacman Jones trade is as close to a done deal as one can get without announcing it, from what I've heard, and is not dead at all. Deion Sanders was on NFL total access and told the network "the trigger has been pulled" on the trade, as in its a go. Hangups seem to be on next year's conditional pick, but should be resolved by draft day I would guess. Everything speeds up as the draft approaches.

Deion can talk all he wants. All reports today indicate the Pacman deal has all but died. Here's a clip from just one of many today:Potential deal for Pacman losing steam

Dallas Cowboys owner Jerry Jones is not planning his off-season around Pacman Jones. He said that in deciding whether to acquire him, he does not need to know if the suspended Tennessee Titans defensive back will be reinstated before the NFL Draft.

Although the potential deal does not appear to be dead, Jones said Wednesday the momentum for it is dying.

He was optimistic something could be completed at the NFL owners meeting last week, but said, "I think the longer that it goes, the less likely [it will be done]."

"It's just me trying to be realistic about it," Jones said. "I don't have a feel for it right now."

http://www.star-telegram.com/332/story/573479.html

 

[kremenull]

I live in the Dallas area and through my producing ventures with affiliate networks here in the area have made great contacts with people tied into the Dallas Cowboys. An area reporter has told me that through a team source he has learned Jerry Jones and Al Davis have been engaged in heavy trade talks for the #4 overall selection of the NFL draft, something could be done by the end of the weekend as I was told Jerry Jones and Stephen Jones are flying to Oakland tomorrow. Naturally, I inquired as to any indication of who Jerry Jones is targeting. McFadden? The answer was an astounding, "No." Jerry Jones is looking at Vernon Gholston. Jones knowing he will have to leap frog the NY Jets and NE Patriots to land this physical specimen feels Oakland's #4 overall selection is the prime opportunity to do so. I was told Jerry Jones feels Gholston is the perfect bookend to Demarcus Ware and feels this will give Dallas the best pair of DE/OLB's in the entire NFL. And with already one of the best offenses in the NFL, drafting the Gholston to rotate in with an aging Greg Ellis will bring the defense to a championship level.Just what I'm hearing, stay tuned.

IF, and that is a big IF, Jerry Jones does indeed trade up in this draft, it will ASSUREDLY be for McFadden......you Dallas fans need to stop being in denial about your owner's infatuation with this guy.......it's unmistakableAnd the point about the Raiders moving down to #22 to allow you guys to select Gholston, instead of taking him for themselves, makes a whole lot of sense.........

 

[Andy Dufresne]

IF, and that is a big IF, Jerry Jones does indeed trade up in this draft, it will ASSUREDLY be for McFadden......you Dallas fans need to stop being in denial about your owner's infatuation with this guy.......it's unmistakable

Why do you say that? Because you've read a lot about it?

 

[Buckna]

They'd have to give up a lot more than the 22 and 28 to move up to 4. Per the draft pick value chart they'd have to give up in addition their 2nd plus something to get there.

 

[{Syrus}]

1. See about making a trade for one, seeing as how the whole Pacman thing has all but died, or

The Pacman Jones trade is as close to a done deal as one can get without announcing it, from what I've heard, and is not dead at all. Deion Sanders was on NFL total access and told the network "the trigger has been pulled" on the trade, as in its a go. Hangups seem to be on next year's conditional pick, but should be resolved by draft day I would guess. Everything speeds up as the draft approaches.

Deion can talk all he wants. All reports today indicate the Pacman deal has all but died. Here's a clip from just one of many today:Potential deal for Pacman losing steam

Dallas Cowboys owner Jerry Jones is not planning his off-season around Pacman Jones. He said that in deciding whether to acquire him, he does not need to know if the suspended Tennessee Titans defensive back will be reinstated before the NFL Draft.

Although the potential deal does not appear to be dead, Jones said Wednesday the momentum for it is dying.

He was optimistic something could be completed at the NFL owners meeting last week, but said, "I think the longer that it goes, the less likely [it will be done]."

"It's just me trying to be realistic about it," Jones said. "I don't have a feel for it right now."

http://www.star-telegram.com/332/story/573479.html

Classic gambler's move by Jerry Jones giving the impression he is ready to walk away from the table and cash in his chips. You're fooling yourself if you think Jerry Jones has invested this much time and effort into the Pacman Jones trade and is going to walk away empty handed. The hang up is a 5th Round selection in next year's draft that the Titans want. Are you kidding me?? 5th Round selections often get get cut in training camp. The Titans will either take what Dallas is offering or Jones will loosen up his grip on that 5th round pick in next year's draft but he won't walk away empty handed. Sources tied into Dallas know this.

 

[Andy Herron]

1. See about making a trade for one, seeing as how the whole Pacman thing has all but died, or

The Pacman Jones trade is as close to a done deal as one can get without announcing it, from what I've heard, and is not dead at all. Deion Sanders was on NFL total access and told the network "the trigger has been pulled" on the trade, as in its a go. Hangups seem to be on next year's conditional pick, but should be resolved by draft day I would guess. Everything speeds up as the draft approaches.

Deion can talk all he wants. All reports today indicate the Pacman deal has all but died. Here's a clip from just one of many today:Potential deal for Pacman losing steam

Dallas Cowboys owner Jerry Jones is not planning his off-season around Pacman Jones. He said that in deciding whether to acquire him, he does not need to know if the suspended Tennessee Titans defensive back will be reinstated before the NFL Draft.

Although the potential deal does not appear to be dead, Jones said Wednesday the momentum for it is dying.

He was optimistic something could be completed at the NFL owners meeting last week, but said, "I think the longer that it goes, the less likely [it will be done]."

"It's just me trying to be realistic about it," Jones said. "I don't have a feel for it right now."

http://www.star-telegram.com/332/story/573479.html

Classic gambler's move by Jerry Jones giving the impression he is ready to walk away from the table and cash in his chips. You're fooling yourself if you think Jerry Jones has invested this much time and effort into the Pacman Jones trade and is going to walk away empty handed. The hang up is a 5th Round selection in next year's draft that the Titans want. Are you kidding me?? 5th Round selections often get get cut in training camp. The Titans will either take what Dallas is offering or Jones will loosen up his grip on that 5th round pick in next year's draft but he won't walk away empty handed. Sources tied into Dallas know this.

Jones or the Cowboys have no need to gamble, nor have they invested all that much time or effort. Nobody else wants Pacman, including the Titans, and the Cowboys hold all the cards. The Titans will either take what Dallas offers or nothing. Dallas has the leverage here. The Titans have none. They've already showed their hand.

 

[BigJim®]

Everything in Dallas points to a win now mode. I am sure they are wanting to move up in the draft to get an impact rookie. how many positions on the defense are open? Not many if any. Offense? QB-RB-WR-TE-OT-OG...they have most of this locked down so they have the luxury of moving up in the draft and grabbing a McFadden if they so desire...I think they really only need to move up enough to pick Mendenhal but I think the fact they want mcFadden to balance out Barber should tell you what most teams really feel about McFadden. McFadden may not be able to be an every down back in the NFL, much like Reggie bush, however the Cowboys would be aperfect team for him as I am sure with 10-12 carries a game or whatever they want to use him for he willmake a big impact even as a rookie.The reason i say win now is because most teams would like to have 2 1st rounders even if they are in the last 1/3 of the round...Dallas feels they would rather take 1 impact player over 2 guys that will likely not be competing for starting jobs but would be more for depth.Jerry Jones didn't learn much over the past decade has he? The Patriots never drafted for immediate impact but took the best of what came to them and they have built a winner for years to come. Dallas is going to waste a lot of hard work that was laid down by Bill Parcells.

First off, I hope the OP does not take any offense to this, but it is very naive to believe the Cowboys would feed anything but misinformation publically. I do believe a trade could be done if the Cowboys think a guy *will* be at the spot they are trading to. I also believe the Cowboys want the world to think they are targetting Gholston, as it would perhaps prompt a team to jump in front of 4 to take Gholston, a guy they perhaps don't really want, and allow their true target to slide a pick. IMHO, it would be insanity for them to get something done "by the end of the weekend" as opposed to doing a draft-day trade, unless the Cowboys would be equally happy with 4 different rookies and are targetting no one in particular. I also agree with the above post that this would signal an undoing of the good foundation laid by Parcells for JJ to waste draft-depth opportunity to lunge for a single player. Unless I'm mistaken, they would need to trade more than their two 1sts to get to #4.

 

[{Syrus}]

Jones or the Cowboys have no need to gamble, nor have they invested all that much time or effort. Nobody else wants Pacman, including the Titans, and the Cowboys hold all the cards. The Titans will either take what Dallas offers or nothing. Dallas has the leverage here. The Titans have none. They've already showed their hand.

I'm trying not to get this thread off topic, but you don't seem to understand. Jerry Jones has indeed invested time and effort into this deal. He's investigated Pacman's history, placed countless calls to league offices inquiring about Pacman's status for reinstation, and went into the owner's meetings with an intent to spend time getting this deal done. Time spent on this has an opportunity cost. We can disagree on whether Pacman ever plays for Dallas, but for you to say that Jerry Jones has not invested all that much time or effort into this is insane. Jerry Jones wants Pacman, and while he holds leverage in the negotiations, if all that stands between him and this player is a 5th round selection in next year's draft then you can rest assured that won't end up being a hangup one way or another.

 

[kremenull]

IF, and that is a big IF, Jerry Jones does indeed trade up in this draft, it will ASSUREDLY be for McFadden......you Dallas fans need to stop being in denial about your owner's infatuation with this guy.......it's unmistakable

Why do you say that? Because you've read a lot about it?

No, because I HEARD him on Sirius radio about this same time last year, maybe even up to 1.5 years ago, gushing over McFadden like a school-girl over the campus star letterman.....The comments he made were of the effect that McFadden is a different breed of player and that "we" have to get this guy.......Take it for what it's worth, but this is not some made up story as some have reported, although his exact entire quotes I'm not recalling 100% accurately, but I do remember the jist of the commentary, which I heard first hand.....Why do you think the trade was made to acquire the CLE pick in this year's draft? Dallas expected to have enough leverage, with their own pick and the (potential) CLE Top 12 pick to move up, if needed, to get McFadden.

 

[zadok]

Why would they do this deal before the draft? There is no guaranteeing Gholston will be there at 4. You do the deal when Oakland is on the clock.

 

[{Syrus}]

First off, I hope the OP does not take any offense to this, but it is very naive to believe the Cowboys would feed anything but misinformation publically.

No offense taken. Though, you might want to reread that this was stated as a *rumor* Keep in mind the NFL draft will not unfold like the mock drafts you have seen. Jerry Jones knows the value of having a dominant front seven. That wins championships.

 

[Andy Herron]

Now, moving away from that ridiculous argument, and getting back to Gholston.

The Dolphins, in addition to Jake Long, are also in contract negotiations with Gholston. He and Long both have the same agency, but different agents.

Obviously, Jerry is aware of this. Why would he go through so much trouble to fly out to see Al based on an "if" in the case of Gholston at this point in time?

The draft is still more than two weeks away. While it would appear that the Dophins intend to sign their guy, whoever it turns out to be, why not wait until "after the fact"?

 

[{Syrus}]

Why would they do this deal before the draft? There is no guaranteeing Gholston will be there at 4. You do the deal when Oakland is on the clock.

Of course. Don't you think Dallas would put a parameter on the deal contingent upon their guy being available? Common sense guys.

 

[Jason Wood]

Why would they do this deal before the draft? There is no guaranteeing Gholston will be there at 4. You do the deal when Oakland is on the clock.

A deal that complex (i.e., moving that high up) would have to be in place before the Raiders get on the clock. That doesn't mean the deal isn't contingent on Gholston (or whoever the Cowboys would want) at #4 though.

 

[BigJim®]

First off, I hope the OP does not take any offense to this, but it is very naive to believe the Cowboys would feed anything but misinformation publically.

No offense taken. Though, you might want to reread that this was stated as a *rumor*

I get that, but is it not true that all misinformation leaks are rumor? No team gets quoted saying "We're targetting [Player X]." I've personally only seen the Minnesota Vikings being dumb enough to leak real info (rumors) to team journalists. Let me put it this way: If there was any truth to this rumor, it's now dead since it is plastered at least on this messageboard, and probably others. There's just no way the Cowboys would trade up to #4 before the draft if there is any report out there of who they are targetting. The stakes are too high.

 

[BigJim®]

Why would they do this deal before the draft? There is no guaranteeing Gholston will be there at 4. You do the deal when Oakland is on the clock.

Of course. Don't you think Dallas would put a parameter on the deal contingent upon their guy being available? Common sense guys.

But doesn't that contradict your source's account that the deal would be done by the end of this weekend? If any piece of a rumor is nonsensical, that tells me the whole thing probably is and the main point was to leak interest in Gholston.Again, just IMHO.

 

[kremenull]

First off, I hope the OP does not take any offense to this, but it is very naive to believe the Cowboys would feed anything but misinformation publically.

No offense taken. Though, you might want to reread that this was stated as a *rumor*

I get that, but is it not true that all misinformation leaks are rumor? No team gets quoted saying "We're targetting [Player X]." I've personally only seen the Minnesota Vikings being dumb enough to leak real info (rumors) to team journalists. Let me put it this way: If there was any truth to this rumor, it's now dead since it is plastered at least on this messageboard, and probably others. There's just no way the Cowboys would trade up to #4 before the draft if there is any report out there of who they are targetting. The stakes are too high.

Totally agree. I also find it very interesting, and somewhat obvious when the whole Dallas-Arkansas situation is put into it's full context, that ZERO Dallas representatives were present during the school's (Arkansas) Pro Day late last month........(Dallas) Let's deflect the attention of this obvious glare so that we don't continue to tip our hand (with re to the love affair with McFadden, and consolation prize Felix)........

 

[Chachi]

The is exactly zero mention of this in the Raider nation, none.

 

[coolnerd]

For all the risks and goofy things that Jerry Jones has done there are two that he hasn't

1) Drafted an Arkansas player i.e. he has not been Razorback blind as so many outsiders have suggested.

2) Traded significant assets to move up into the higher portion of the first round.

Those are facts. Does it mean that Jones will never do either? Of course not, but the completion of multiple high picks for the so-called Arkansas love-child would an upset if it did happen, not the other way as too many people continue to suggest.

 

[kremenull]

For all the risks and goofy things that Jerry Jones has done there are two that he hasn't

1) Drafted an Arkansas player i.e. he has not been Razorback blind as so many outsiders have suggested.

2) Traded significant assets to move up into the higher portion of the first round.

Those are facts. Does it mean that Jones will never do either? Of course not, but the completion of multiple high picks for the so-called Arkansas love-child would an upset if it did happen, not the other way as too many people continue to suggest.

Just maybe there hasn't been a Razorback worth gushing about in many a year......ever consider that.......Believe what you will, but I know what I know and IF there is a significant move up by Dallas, then you'll soon see who they were really after.....But I agree, the likelihood of them pulling off this type of move up is not that great.......

 

[Chase Stuart]

For all the risks and goofy things that Jerry Jones has done there are two that he hasn't1) Drafted an Arkansas player i.e. he has not been Razorback blind as so many outsiders have suggested. 2) Traded significant assets to move up into the higher portion of the first round. Those are facts. Does it mean that Jones will never do either? Of course not, but the completion of multiple high picks for the so-called Arkansas love-child would an upset if it did happen, not the other way as too many people continue to suggest.

In 2005, Matt Jones was the 21st pick...and the Cowboys had the 20th pick in the draft.In 2003, Ken Hamlin was the 42nd pick...and the Cowboys had the 38th pick.Jones has never drafted an Arkansas player. Now since Jones has owned the 'Boys, only two Razorbacks have been top 16 picks (Jammal Anderson last year, Shawn Andrews in '04). But in '89 Jones didn't trade up to get either Wayne Martin or Steve Atwater, who went at the end of the first round when Jones had the top pick in the second round. There's no indication that Jones goes after Arkansas players.

 

[Andy Herron]

I live in the Dallas area and through my producing ventures with affiliate networks here in the area have made great contacts with people tied into the Dallas Cowboys. An area reporter has told me that through a team source he has learned Jerry Jones and Al Davis have been engaged in heavy trade talks for the #4 overall selection of the NFL draft, something could be done by the end of the weekend as I was told Jerry Jones and Stephen Jones are flying to Oakland tomorrow.

I'm in a Dallas suburb as well, and am also a reporter by the way. I'm just curious as to why, at this point, this particular reporter has yet to post or print any kind of story regarding this hot topic he's supposedly uncovered "through a team source"?I certainly haven't found anything as of yet.

 

[Ridgelake]

Totally agree on Jones not loving Arkansas players in general. I do know, however, they really wanted Shawn Andrews. But Philly moved up ahead of them and snatched him away.

 

[coolnerd]

For all the risks and goofy things that Jerry Jones has done there are two that he hasn't

1) Drafted an Arkansas player i.e. he has not been Razorback blind as so many outsiders have suggested.

2) Traded significant assets to move up into the higher portion of the first round.

Those are facts. Does it mean that Jones will never do either? Of course not, but the completion of multiple high picks for the so-called Arkansas love-child would an upset if it did happen, not the other way as too many people continue to suggest.

Just maybe there hasn't been a Razorback worth gushing about in many a year......ever consider that.......Believe what you will, but I know what I know and IF there is a significant move up by Dallas, then you'll soon see who they were really after.....But I agree, the likelihood of them pulling off this type of move up is not that great.......

Fair argument there has not be a Darren McFadden in terms of hype, but if Jones had the bias toward Arkansas players that keeps being refered to as some sort of everybody knows fact, there would be a little more evidence in twenty years. This idea has been pretty easy specualtion from the start.

 

[brock]

Syrus indicated this is a rumor from a tangential source. It's no better or worse than 75% of what's thrown around this time of year. As far as rumors go, I've heard a lot worse. Jones is an aggressive guy, certainly he has reason to believe his team is one or two impact players away from being a Super Bowl champion. He no doubt also witnessed how a team in his own division won the Super Bowl largely on the back of a dominating front line, despite having inferior talent to the Cowboys at many other positions. Add to that his familiarity with Al Davis; and the fact Davis has already shelled out mountains of $$$$ to sign all those free agents, and I could see him wanting out of the 4th spot for the right price.As others have said, it's PROBABLY nothing. But let's not pile on here and say how silly this deal is or is not. If you don't think it will happen, fine, just move on. But let's discuss the ramifications if it WERE to happen.

 

[brock]

For all the risks and goofy things that Jerry Jones has done there are two that he hasn't1) Drafted an Arkansas player i.e. he has not been Razorback blind as so many outsiders have suggested. 2) Traded significant assets to move up into the higher portion of the first round. Those are facts. Does it mean that Jones will never do either? Of course not, but the completion of multiple high picks for the so-called Arkansas love-child would an upset if it did happen, not the other way as too many people continue to suggest.

In 2005, Matt Jones was the 21st pick...and the Cowboys had the 20th pick in the draft.In 2003, Ken Hamlin was the 42nd pick...and the Cowboys had the 38th pick.Jones has never drafted an Arkansas player. Now since Jones has owned the 'Boys, only two Razorbacks have been top 16 picks (Jammal Anderson last year, Shawn Andrews in '04). But in '89 Jones didn't trade up to get either Wayne Martin or Steve Atwater, who went at the end of the first round when Jones had the top pick in the second round. There's no indication that Jones goes after Arkansas players.

jones isn't stupid. all this 'he loves ark players' is ridiculous.

 

[Cookiemonster]

IF, and that is a big IF, Jerry Jones does indeed trade up in this draft, it will ASSUREDLY be for McFadden......you Dallas fans need to stop being in denial about your owner's infatuation with this guy.......it's unmistakable

Why do you say that? Because you've read a lot about it?

No, because I HEARD him on Sirius radio about this same time last year, maybe even up to 1.5 years ago, gushing over McFadden like a school-girl over the campus star letterman.....The comments he made were of the effect that McFadden is a different breed of player and that "we" have to get this guy.......Take it for what it's worth, but this is not some made up story as some have reported, although his exact entire quotes I'm not recalling 100% accurately, but I do remember the jist of the commentary, which I heard first hand.....Why do you think the trade was made to acquire the CLE pick in this year's draft? Dallas expected to have enough leverage, with their own pick and the (potential) CLE Top 12 pick to move up, if needed, to get McFadden.

I don't usually see eye to eye w/ kremenull, but I think he's right on with this one. This rumor may or may not have legs, but there are many owners that don't subscribe to the end all, be all "draft value chart" like some think. Depending on your team needs and the quality/depth of any given draft, two late 1sts may be worth more than the #4 overall.

 

[Atomic Punk]

If this deal were to happen I could easily see players like Carpener and Fabian Washington trading jerseys.

 

[kremenull]

For all the risks and goofy things that Jerry Jones has done there are two that he hasn't

1) Drafted an Arkansas player i.e. he has not been Razorback blind as so many outsiders have suggested.

2) Traded significant assets to move up into the higher portion of the first round.

Those are facts. Does it mean that Jones will never do either? Of course not, but the completion of multiple high picks for the so-called Arkansas love-child would an upset if it did happen, not the other way as too many people continue to suggest.

In 2005, Matt Jones was the 21st pick...and the Cowboys had the 20th pick in the draft.

In 2003, Ken Hamlin was the 42nd pick...and the Cowboys had the 38th pick.

Jones has never drafted an Arkansas player. Now since Jones has owned the 'Boys, only two Razorbacks have been top 16 picks (Jammal Anderson last year, Shawn Andrews in '04). But in '89 Jones didn't trade up to get either Wayne Martin or Steve Atwater, who went at the end of the first round when Jones had the top pick in the second round. There's no indication that Jones goes after Arkansas players.

jones isn't stupid. all this 'he loves ark players' is ridiculous.

Actually, it's not. Prime examples are Jeff Fisher's USC ties......Norm Chou, LenDale, giving Mike Williams a 3rd chance......no correlation there, huh. And good ol' Al Davis, who had a stint or maybe even began his coaching career with the Trojans as well (not totally sure if this was his start), has had an affinity for USC players as well....Marcus Allen, T.Marinovich, Darrell Russell, (reportedly) wanted Leinart....no correlation there either, huh........Saban picking SEC players almost to a fault.....no correlation, huh.........and Bill Parcells and Bill Belichick will certainly give credence to anything their disciples (Al Groh, Pat White, Charlie Weiss), and the like, have to offer re: the players they've coached, e.g. Logan Mankins in 1st Rd. What this all means is that owners and GMs do utilize their ties to alma matters and former assistants/colleagues in considering players. And, I dunno, some ridiculous assertion......this McFadden guy is also VERY GOOD.....going to Arkansas only adds to the enticement for JJ........When all of this info finally comes to light, especially the Jerry Jones "off-the record" conversation re: McFadden, and after the NFL draft, when more than likely, Felix will be donning the star helmet, we'll put this to rest once and for all.......

 

[Phurfur]

For all the risks and goofy things that Jerry Jones has done there are two that he hasn't1) Drafted an Arkansas player i.e. he has not been Razorback blind as so many outsiders have suggested. 2) Traded significant assets to move up into the higher portion of the first round. Those are facts. Does it mean that Jones will never do either? Of course not, but the completion of multiple high picks for the so-called Arkansas love-child would an upset if it did happen, not the other way as too many people continue to suggest.

In 2005, Matt Jones was the 21st pick...and the Cowboys had the 20th pick in the draft.In 2003, Ken Hamlin was the 42nd pick...and the Cowboys had the 38th pick.Jones has never drafted an Arkansas player. Now since Jones has owned the 'Boys, only two Razorbacks have been top 16 picks (Jammal Anderson last year, Shawn Andrews in '04). But in '89 Jones didn't trade up to get either Wayne Martin or Steve Atwater, who went at the end of the first round when Jones had the top pick in the second round. There's no indication that Jones goes after Arkansas players.

jones isn't stupid. all this 'he loves ark players' is ridiculous.

I think his GM skills are very questionable.

 

[rabidfireweasel]

I live in the Dallas area and through my producing ventures with affiliate networks here in the area have made great contacts with people tied into the Dallas Cowboys...Just what I'm hearing, stay tuned.

I have often disagrees with Syrus in many posts, but this a thoughtful post, cleared marked as rumor. Thanks for the heads up; I appreciate the info, regardless of what happens.

 

[massraider]

Any pre-draft rumors should be looked at skeptically, only because history tells us that most trade talks don't bear fruit.

Doesn't mean there isn't something to them.

There was a rumor making the rounds in Raider land, I posted it in the official Raider thread. I didn't really think it credible enough to start it's own thread, and I also didn't feel like reading mocking posts from uptight, obnoxious thread police that don't know any more than the rest of us, but sure sound like they do.

Anyway, it was something along the lines of #4 for #22, #28, 2nd round pick, and Bobby Carpenter. I had a few problems with this rumor. Mainly, for a rumor, that is a lot of detail. And this was a few weeks ago, I'd be shocked if terms were that detailed so far in advance of the draft.

Anyways, even though there is a lot of history that suggests this won't go anywhere (Rarely do teams move up that much, Al Davis rarely trades down), it is worth discussing, as I think there is at least reasonable to discuss why it may be feasible.

1. Jerry Jones and Al Davis have a relationship, he actually likes Al, so if a deal of this magnitude was going to happen, these two could work it out.

2. There was a lot of talk last year that the Raiders couldn't afford JaMarcus. That talk looks incredibly stupid now, considering the offseason the Raiders had, but if there was ever a time they may be looking to avoid another $20 guarantee, maybe this is the year. :whoosh:

3. If the Raiders target is gone, would they want to move down? I actually think if there is any movement in the top 5, it'll be at their spot. Looking at different draft scenarios, I could see various teams looking to move to this spot to secure Jake Long, Matt Ryan, or Gholston.

Having said all that, yes, I think it is unlikely that a deal like this could go down. The price to move up from #22 to #4 seems prohibitive.

But I'd rather talk about this than the dynasty prospects of Ron Curry. As long as the OP posts this as rumor, as Syrus did, I see no problem with it.

 

[kremenull]

Any pre-draft rumors should be looked at skeptically, only because history tells us that most trade talks don't bear fruit.

Doesn't mean there isn't something to them.

There was a rumor making the rounds in Raider land, I posted it in the official Raider thread. I didn't really think it credible enough to start it's own thread, and I also didn't feel like reading mocking posts from uptight, obnoxious thread police that don't know any more than the rest of us, but sure sound like they do.

Anyway, it was something along the lines of #4 for #22, #28, 2nd round pick, and Bobby Carpenter. I had a few problems with this rumor. Mainly, for a rumor, that is a lot of detail. And this was a few weeks ago, I'd be shocked if terms were that detailed so far in advance of the draft.

Anyways, even though there is a lot of history that suggests this won't go anywhere (Rarely do teams move up that much, Al Davis rarely trades down), it is worth discussing, as I think there is at least reasonable to discuss why it may be feasible.

1. Jerry Jones and Al Davis have a relationship, he actually likes Al, so if a deal of this magnitude was going to happen, these two could work it out.

2. There was a lot of talk last year that the Raiders couldn't afford JaMarcus. That talk looks incredibly stupid now, considering the offseason the Raiders had, but if there was ever a time they may be looking to avoid another $20 guarantee, maybe this is the year.

3. If the Raiders target is gone, would they want to move down? I actually think if there is any movement in the top 5, it'll be at their spot. Looking at different draft scenarios, I could see various teams looking to move to this spot to secure Jake Long, Matt Ryan, or Gholston.

Having said all that, yes, I think it is unlikely that a deal like this could go down. The price to move up from #22 to #4 seems prohibitive.

But I'd rather talk about this than the dynasty prospects of Ron Curry. As long as the OP posts this as rumor, as Syrus did, I see no problem with it.

Thanks Mass Raider....couldn't have said it better myself.

An excerpt from my last mock posted in here on Mar. 1

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4. Oakland Raiders Darren McFadden RB 6’1” 215 Arkansas

I was all but set to pencil in DT Sedrick Ellis for the Raiders here, but with the re-signing of DL Tommy Kelly (to a surprisingly enormous contract) and the underappreciated play of former castoff DT Gerard Warren last season (when healthy), this pick leads me in another direction. And make no bones about it, the Raiders have several needs, but Al Davis is as big a proponent of “Speed Kills” as there is, and after McFadden’s electric combine performance, this is a match made in heaven. Off-field issues will not be a problem, and frankly, his issues don’t appear to be that disconcerting, and the bottom line is the Raiders add a very talented playmaker to an offense in need of explosiveness. His combination of breakaway speed and toughness will serve him well at the next level and McFadden is a more physical runner than he’s given credit for. Although, I would not be surprised to see Sedrick Ellis still go here.

Note: This quite possibly is the most logical spot for a trade down with Dallas moving up to grab McFadden. Al Davis and Jerry Jones have a very good relationship.

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All this draft speculation is a bit overdone, but us junkies can't wait for the draft to finally arrive......keep up the opinionated dialogue though, my lunch break is more entertaining because of you all.....

 

[LarryAllen'sJockstrap]

I live in the Dallas area and through my producing ventures with affiliate networks here in the area have made great contacts with people tied into the Dallas Cowboys. An area reporter has told me that through a team source he has learned Jerry Jones and Al Davis have been engaged in heavy trade talks for the #4 overall selection of the NFL draft, something could be done by the end of the weekend as I was told Jerry Jones and Stephen Jones are flying to Oakland tomorrow.

I'm in a Dallas suburb as well, and am also a reporter by the way. I'm just curious as to why, at this point, this particular reporter has yet to post or print any kind of story regarding this hot topic he's supposedly uncovered "through a team source"?I certainly haven't found anything as of yet.

Do you work for one of the local papers or TV stations?

 

[The Red Scare]

I live in the Dallas area and through my producing ventures with affiliate networks here in the area have made great contacts with people tied into the Dallas Cowboys. An area reporter has told me that through a team source he has learned Jerry Jones and Al Davis have been engaged in heavy trade talks for the #4 overall selection of the NFL draft, something could be done by the end of the weekend as I was told Jerry Jones and Stephen Jones are flying to Oakland tomorrow.

I'm in a Dallas suburb as well, and am also a reporter by the way. I'm just curious as to why, at this point, this particular reporter has yet to post or print any kind of story regarding this hot topic he's supposedly uncovered "through a team source"?I certainly haven't found anything as of yet.

Try improving your reporting.

 

[Andy Herron]

I live in the Dallas area and through my producing ventures with affiliate networks here in the area have made great contacts with people tied into the Dallas Cowboys. An area reporter has told me that through a team source he has learned Jerry Jones and Al Davis have been engaged in heavy trade talks for the #4 overall selection of the NFL draft, something could be done by the end of the weekend as I was told Jerry Jones and Stephen Jones are flying to Oakland tomorrow.

I'm in a Dallas suburb as well, and am also a reporter by the way. I'm just curious as to why, at this point, this particular reporter has yet to post or print any kind of story regarding this hot topic he's supposedly uncovered "through a team source"?I certainly haven't found anything as of yet.

Do you work for one of the local papers or TV stations?

Newspaper. The Allen News.http://www.allentxnews.com/

 

[Andy Herron]

I live in the Dallas area and through my producing ventures with affiliate networks here in the area have made great contacts with people tied into the Dallas Cowboys. An area reporter has told me that through a team source he has learned Jerry Jones and Al Davis have been engaged in heavy trade talks for the #4 overall selection of the NFL draft, something could be done by the end of the weekend as I was told Jerry Jones and Stephen Jones are flying to Oakland tomorrow.

I'm in a Dallas suburb as well, and am also a reporter by the way. I'm just curious as to why, at this point, this particular reporter has yet to post or print any kind of story regarding this hot topic he's supposedly uncovered "through a team source"?I certainly haven't found anything as of yet.

Try improving your reporting.

I'll ignore that. Most in here are aware of what I bring.Study up.

 

[TheOriginalDoubledown]

What would make more sense to me considering the friendship between Al Davis and Jerry Jones is that Al is calling in a favor to Jerry. Al wants to move out of the 4th pick, but nobody seems to be interested. He asks Jerry to leak some bogus info about a possible trade between Oakland and Dallas to start a whirlwind of speculation and see if anyone else step up to inquire about moving up to the 4th pick.

Kind of Scifi-ish, but nothing says SciFi in the NFL like Al Davis.

 

[Bracie Smathers]

I live in the Dallas area and through my producing ventures with affiliate networks here in the area have made great contacts with people tied into the Dallas Cowboys. An area reporter has told me that through a team source he has learned Jerry Jones and Al Davis have been engaged in heavy trade talks for the #4 overall selection of the NFL draft, something could be done by the end of the weekend as I was told Jerry Jones and Stephen Jones are flying to Oakland tomorrow.

Naturally, I inquired as to any indication of who Jerry Jones is targeting. McFadden? The answer was an astounding, "No." Jerry Jones is looking at Vernon Gholston. Jones knowing he will have to leap frog the NY Jets and NE Patriots to land this physical specimen feels Oakland's #4 overall selection is the prime opportunity to do so. I was told Jerry Jones feels Gholston is the perfect bookend to Demarcus Ware and feels this will give Dallas the best pair of DE/OLB's in the entire NFL. And with already one of the best offenses in the NFL, drafting the Gholston to rotate in with an aging Greg Ellis will bring the defense to a championship level.

Just what I'm hearing, stay tuned.

I've got a question. Didn't the Cowboys trade back up into the first round to draft OLB/DE Anthony Spencer from Purdue last year in order to rotate in with agin Greg Ellis? If so then have they already determined that he's a bust or???? Seems like an awfully quick hook on the kid. But then again they wiffed on Bobby Carpenter and the DE they selected in the first round the same year they snared DeMarcus Ware so maybe they have already soured on Spencer.

 

[Andy Herron]

I live in the Dallas area and through my producing ventures with affiliate networks here in the area have made great contacts with people tied into the Dallas Cowboys. An area reporter has told me that through a team source he has learned Jerry Jones and Al Davis have been engaged in heavy trade talks for the #4 overall selection of the NFL draft, something could be done by the end of the weekend as I was told Jerry Jones and Stephen Jones are flying to Oakland tomorrow. Naturally, I inquired as to any indication of who Jerry Jones is targeting. McFadden? The answer was an astounding, "No." Jerry Jones is looking at Vernon Gholston. Jones knowing he will have to leap frog the NY Jets and NE Patriots to land this physical specimen feels Oakland's #4 overall selection is the prime opportunity to do so. I was told Jerry Jones feels Gholston is the perfect bookend to Demarcus Ware and feels this will give Dallas the best pair of DE/OLB's in the entire NFL. And with already one of the best offenses in the NFL, drafting the Gholston to rotate in with an aging Greg Ellis will bring the defense to a championship level.Just what I'm hearing, stay tuned.

O.K., got an update here.Today is what is commonly referred to around here as "Dallas day". That is, today the Cowboys are bringing in local players for visits, interviews and such. Doesn't hardly seem plausible for Jerry and Stephen to take flight to Oakland today.Next week they will be bringing in players on the national front.

 

[{Syrus}]

I live in the Dallas area and through my producing ventures with affiliate networks here in the area have made great contacts with people tied into the Dallas Cowboys. An area reporter has told me that through a team source he has learned Jerry Jones and Al Davis have been engaged in heavy trade talks for the #4 overall selection of the NFL draft, something could be done by the end of the weekend as I was told Jerry Jones and Stephen Jones are flying to Oakland tomorrow. Naturally, I inquired as to any indication of who Jerry Jones is targeting. McFadden? The answer was an astounding, "No." Jerry Jones is looking at Vernon Gholston. Jones knowing he will have to leap frog the NY Jets and NE Patriots to land this physical specimen feels Oakland's #4 overall selection is the prime opportunity to do so. I was told Jerry Jones feels Gholston is the perfect bookend to Demarcus Ware and feels this will give Dallas the best pair of DE/OLB's in the entire NFL. And with already one of the best offenses in the NFL, drafting the Gholston to rotate in with an aging Greg Ellis will bring the defense to a championship level.Just what I'm hearing, stay tuned.

O.K., got an update here.Today is what is commonly referred to around here as "Dallas day". That is, today the Cowboys are bringing in local players for visits, interviews and such. Doesn't hardly seem plausible for Jerry and Stephen to take flight to Oakland today.Next week they will be bringing in players on the national front.

Yeah, I read about "Dallas Day" today just like you have. Let me let you know that it's just local college players coming for a token visit. While they have sifted through local talent and kept a player or two ex. Patrick Crayton/Tyson Thompson, I think Jerry Jones/Stephen Jones have the staff in place to effectively evaluate lower tier local talent while they conduct draft business at the top end of the draft. Don'tcha think? Seriously. And who says they aren't taking a late flight into Oakland tonight? So what's your update again?