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[cstu]

Minimum wage for thee but not for me!

The Freedom Socialist Party wants the minimum wage to be $20 an hour. However, they don't feel compelled to compensate their own workers with that kind of cash.

The party is looking for a web developer, and posted a job listing on Craigslist a week ago and Indeed.com yesterday, and it's been raising eyebrows on social media.

Although the average annual salary of a web developer in the U.S. is around $62,500, the Freedom Socialist Party only wants to pay $13 an hour, which would be $26,000 a year. Except that the party won't hire someone full-time, so their next web developer's total compensation won't even be that modest chunk of change.

Just another case of liberal hypocrisy.

It's not hypocrisy - they would pay $20 if the minimum wage was raised.

 

[Christo]

Minimum wage for thee but not for me!

The Freedom Socialist Party wants the minimum wage to be $20 an hour. However, they don't feel compelled to compensate their own workers with that kind of cash.

The party is looking for a web developer, and posted a job listing on Craigslist a week ago and Indeed.com yesterday, and it's been raising eyebrows on social media.

Although the average annual salary of a web developer in the U.S. is around $62,500, the Freedom Socialist Party only wants to pay $13 an hour, which would be $26,000 a year. Except that the party won't hire someone full-time, so their next web developer's total compensation won't even be that modest chunk of change.

Just another case of liberal hypocrisy.

It's not hypocrisy - they would pay $20 if the minimum wage was raised.

 

[cstu]

Minimum wage for thee but not for me!

The Freedom Socialist Party wants the minimum wage to be $20 an hour. However, they don't feel compelled to compensate their own workers with that kind of cash.

The party is looking for a web developer, and posted a job listing on Craigslist a week ago and Indeed.com yesterday, and it's been raising eyebrows on social media.

Although the average annual salary of a web developer in the U.S. is around $62,500, the Freedom Socialist Party only wants to pay $13 an hour, which would be $26,000 a year. Except that the party won't hire someone full-time, so their next web developer's total compensation won't even be that modest chunk of change.

Just another case of liberal hypocrisy.

It's not hypocrisy - they would pay $20 if the minimum wage was raised.

Socialism is a social and economic system characterised by social ownership of the means of production and co-operative management of the economy, as well as a political theory and movement that aims at the establishment of such a system.

Explain to me how them offering $13 an hour is violating socialist principles?

 

[Hilts]

It may not be hypocritical but it's horrendous PR and makes them look bad. Better if they would put their money where their mouth is.

 

[Christo]

Minimum wage for thee but not for me!

The Freedom Socialist Party wants the minimum wage to be $20 an hour. However, they don't feel compelled to compensate their own workers with that kind of cash.

The party is looking for a web developer, and posted a job listing on Craigslist a week ago and Indeed.com yesterday, and it's been raising eyebrows on social media.

Although the average annual salary of a web developer in the U.S. is around $62,500, the Freedom Socialist Party only wants to pay $13 an hour, which would be $26,000 a year. Except that the party won't hire someone full-time, so their next web developer's total compensation won't even be that modest chunk of change.

Just another case of liberal hypocrisy.

It's not hypocrisy - they would pay $20 if the minimum wage was raised.

Socialism is a social and economic system characterised by social ownership of the means of production and co-operative management of the economy, as well as a political theory and movement that aims at the establishment of such a system.

Explain to me how them offering $13 an hour is violating socialist principles?

They think the minimum wage a person should receive is $20/hr. They go so far as to advocate that it should be the law. Yet they don't pay their own employees $20/hr. The fact that they hold themselves out as socialists is irrelevant.

 

[cstu]

Minimum wage for thee but not for me!

The Freedom Socialist Party wants the minimum wage to be $20 an hour. However, they don't feel compelled to compensate their own workers with that kind of cash.

The party is looking for a web developer, and posted a job listing on Craigslist a week ago and Indeed.com yesterday, and it's been raising eyebrows on social media.

Although the average annual salary of a web developer in the U.S. is around $62,500, the Freedom Socialist Party only wants to pay $13 an hour, which would be $26,000 a year. Except that the party won't hire someone full-time, so their next web developer's total compensation won't even be that modest chunk of change.

Just another case of liberal hypocrisy.

It's not hypocrisy - they would pay $20 if the minimum wage was raised.

Socialism is a social and economic system characterised by social ownership of the means of production and co-operative management of the economy, as well as a political theory and movement that aims at the establishment of such a system.

Explain to me how them offering $13 an hour is violating socialist principles?

They think the minimum wage a person should receive is $20/hr. They go so far as to advocate that it should be the law. Yet they don't pay their own employees $20/hr. The fact that they hold themselves out as socialists is irrelevant.

Because it's not the law. Is this really that difficult to understand?

 

[Christo]

Minimum wage for thee but not for me!

The Freedom Socialist Party wants the minimum wage to be $20 an hour. However, they don't feel compelled to compensate their own workers with that kind of cash.

The party is looking for a web developer, and posted a job listing on Craigslist a week ago and Indeed.com yesterday, and it's been raising eyebrows on social media.

Although the average annual salary of a web developer in the U.S. is around $62,500, the Freedom Socialist Party only wants to pay $13 an hour, which would be $26,000 a year. Except that the party won't hire someone full-time, so their next web developer's total compensation won't even be that modest chunk of change.

Just another case of liberal hypocrisy.

It's not hypocrisy - they would pay $20 if the minimum wage was raised.

Socialism is a social and economic system characterised by social ownership of the means of production and co-operative management of the economy, as well as a political theory and movement that aims at the establishment of such a system.

Explain to me how them offering $13 an hour is violating socialist principles?

They think the minimum wage a person should receive is $20/hr. They go so far as to advocate that it should be the law. Yet they don't pay their own employees $20/hr. The fact that they hold themselves out as socialists is irrelevant.

Because it's not the law. Is this really that difficult to understand?

 

[MaxThreshold]

Minimum wage for thee but not for me!

The Freedom Socialist Party wants the minimum wage to be $20 an hour. However, they don't feel compelled to compensate their own workers with that kind of cash.

The party is looking for a web developer, and posted a job listing on Craigslist a week ago and Indeed.com yesterday, and it's been raising eyebrows on social media.

Although the average annual salary of a web developer in the U.S. is around $62,500, the Freedom Socialist Party only wants to pay $13 an hour, which would be $26,000 a year. Except that the party won't hire someone full-time, so their next web developer's total compensation won't even be that modest chunk of change.

Just another case of liberal hypocrisy.

It's not hypocrisy - they would pay $20 if the minimum wage was raised.

Socialism is a social and economic system characterised by social ownership of the means of production and co-operative management of the economy, as well as a political theory and movement that aims at the establishment of such a system.

Explain to me how them offering $13 an hour is violating socialist principles?

They think the minimum wage a person should receive is $20/hr. They go so far as to advocate that it should be the law. Yet they don't pay their own employees $20/hr. The fact that they hold themselves out as socialists is irrelevant.

Because it's not the law. Is this really that difficult to understand?

C'mon, cstu. You're a pretty smart guy and not this obtuse. You really don't see the problem with advocating for $20 and then turning around and NOT offering that same amount to people they want to employ?

 

[Christo]

Minimum wage for thee but not for me!

The Freedom Socialist Party wants the minimum wage to be $20 an hour. However, they don't feel compelled to compensate their own workers with that kind of cash.

The party is looking for a web developer, and posted a job listing on Craigslist a week ago and Indeed.com yesterday, and it's been raising eyebrows on social media.

Although the average annual salary of a web developer in the U.S. is around $62,500, the Freedom Socialist Party only wants to pay $13 an hour, which would be $26,000 a year. Except that the party won't hire someone full-time, so their next web developer's total compensation won't even be that modest chunk of change.

Just another case of liberal hypocrisy.

It's not hypocrisy - they would pay $20 if the minimum wage was raised.

Socialism is a social and economic system characterised by social ownership of the means of production and co-operative management of the economy, as well as a political theory and movement that aims at the establishment of such a system.

Explain to me how them offering $13 an hour is violating socialist principles?

They think the minimum wage a person should receive is $20/hr. They go so far as to advocate that it should be the law. Yet they don't pay their own employees $20/hr. The fact that they hold themselves out as socialists is irrelevant.

Because it's not the law. Is this really that difficult to understand?

C'mon, cstu. You're a pretty smart guy and not this obtuse. You really don't see the problem with advocating for $20 and then turning around and NOT offering that same amount to people they want to employ?

Apparently, socialists only do something if it's the law, even if they believe its the right thing to do.

 

[cstu]

Apparently, socialists only do something if it's the law, even if they believe its the right thing to do.

The goal is create a system that works, not be goody two shoes for the fun of it.

 

[avoiding injuries]

Seriously, it's not as if the going rate is $13 and people are advocating that they offer more than that to equal what they're suggesting as the MINIMUM wage. The average rate for this job is much more than $20. Haha

 

[MaxThreshold]

Apparently, socialists only do something if it's the law, even if they believe its the right thing to do.

The goal is create a system that works, but be goody two shoes for the fun of it.

Shouldn't that start by setting the example?

 

[Christo]

Apparently, socialists only do something if it's the law, even if they believe its the right thing to do.

The goal is create a system that works, but be goody two shoes for the fun of it.

 

[cstu]

Apparently, socialists only do something if it's the law, even if they believe its the right thing to do.

The goal is create a system that works, but be goody two shoes for the fun of it.

Shouldn't that start by setting the example?

I believe in the ideals of a higher minimum wage but if I was a business owner I wouldn't bump my employees up to $20 and become less competitive.

To avoid negative publicity it would have been smarter to offer $20 but it doesn't go against their goal not to do so.

 

[Tom Servo]

Apparently, socialists only do something if it's the law, even if they believe its the right thing to do.

The goal is create a system that works, but be goody two shoes for the fun of it.

Shouldn't that start by setting the example?

I believe in the ideals of a higher minimum wage but if I was a business owner I wouldn't bump my employees up to $20 and become less competitive.

To avoid negative publicity it would have been smarter to offer $20 but it doesn't go against their goal not to do so.

You must be one heck of a tap dancer.

 

[NCCommish]

Apparently, socialists only do something if it's the law, even if they believe its the right thing to do.

The goal is create a system that works, but be goody two shoes for the fun of it.

Shouldn't that start by setting the example?

I believe in the ideals of a higher minimum wage but if I was a business owner I wouldn't bump my employees up to $20 and become less competitive.

To avoid negative publicity it would have been smarter to offer $20 but it doesn't go against their goal not to do so.

Give it up. Plenty of businesses here that advocate for a higher wage actually pay that higher wage because to do otherwise would make you look like a hypocrite. Just like these guys.

 

[StrikeS2k]

Apparently, socialists only do something if it's the law, even if they believe its the right thing to do.

The goal is create a system that works, but be goody two shoes for the fun of it.

Shouldn't that start by setting the example?

I believe in the ideals of a higher minimum wage but if I was a business owner I wouldn't bump my employees up to $20 and become less competitive.

To avoid negative publicity it would have been smarter to offer $20 but it doesn't go against their goal not to do so.

Give it up. Plenty of businesses here that advocate for a higher wage actually pay that higher wage because to do otherwise would make you look like a hypocrite. Just like these guys.

What's this look like junk? If you advocate for something and have the opportunity to actually do what you're advocating for, you do it. If you don't then you're a hypocrite. No "looking like" at all.

 

[Christo]

Apparently, socialists only do something if it's the law, even if they believe its the right thing to do.

The goal is create a system that works, but be goody two shoes for the fun of it.

Shouldn't that start by setting the example?

I believe in the ideals of a higher minimum wage but if I was a business owner I wouldn't bump my employees up to $20 and become less competitive.

To avoid negative publicity it would have been smarter to offer $20 but it doesn't go against their goal not to do so.

Give it up. Plenty of businesses here that advocate for a higher wage actually pay that higher wage because to do otherwise would make you look like a hypocrite. Just like these guys.

What's this look like junk? If you advocate for something and have the opportunity to actually do what you're advocating for, you do it. If you don't then you're a hypocrite. No "looking like" at all.

Doesn't apply to socialists apparently. They only advocate systemic change, not personal change.

 

[bostonfred]

Doesn't apply to socialists apparently. They only advocate systemic change, not personal change.

Some things that work well as a system would be irrational to do voluntarily. I think the tax rate should be higher, but i don't pay more in taxes than I owe. You might think the tax rate should be lower, but you still pay all the taxes you owe. A compulsory system works because everyone does it, not because one individual does.

 

[Christo]

Doesn't apply to socialists apparently. They only advocate systemic change, not personal change.

Some things that work well as a system would be irrational to do voluntarily.I think the tax rate should be higher, but i don't pay more in taxes than I owe. You might think the tax rate should be lower, but you still pay all the taxes you owe. A compulsory system works because everyone does it, not because one individual does.

Thinking is different than advocating. Especially when the position involves the direct welfare of others.

 

[Christo]

I think people should not have to inhale my tobacco smoke. But because the law doesn't require me to refrain from blowing my smoke on other people I blow my smoke directly in other people's faces.

 

[Christo]

Not only am I a hypocrite. I'm an #######.

 

[Christo]

Oh, and what's irrational about paying a web developer $20/hr?

 

[The Big Guy]

Oh, and what's irrational about paying a web developer $20/hr?

you don't want to create someone that you profess to hate, now do you?

 

[Christo]

Oh, and what's irrational about paying a web developer $20/hr?

you don't want to create someone that you profess to hate, now do you?

They think someone who washes dishes is worth that much

 

[BigSteelThrill]

Minimum wage for thee but not for me!

The Freedom Socialist Party wants the minimum wage to be $20 an hour. However, they don't feel compelled to compensate their own workers with that kind of cash.

The party is looking for a web developer, and posted a job listing on Craigslist a week ago and Indeed.com yesterday, and it's been raising eyebrows on social media.

Although the average annual salary of a web developer in the U.S. is around $62,500, the Freedom Socialist Party only wants to pay $13 an hour, which would be $26,000 a year. Except that the party won't hire someone full-time, so their next web developer's total compensation won't even be that modest chunk of change.

Just another case of liberal hypocrisy.

It's not hypocrisy - they would pay $20 if the minimum wage was raised.

Correct.

 

[cstu]

I think people should not have to inhale my tobacco smoke. But because the law doesn't require me to refrain from blowing my smoke on other people I blow my smoke directly in other people's faces.

Are you sure you're a lawyer?

Not paying a higher wage = declining to do something positive

Blowing smoke in someone's face = deciding to do something negative

A better analogy would be for a global warming activist to continue driving gas powered cars until they are outlawed.

 

[Christo]

I think people should not have to inhale my tobacco smoke. But because the law doesn't require me to refrain from blowing my smoke on other people I blow my smoke directly in other people's faces.

Are you sure you're a lawyer?

Not paying a higher wage = declining to do something positive

Blowing smoke in someone's face = deciding to do something negative

A better analogy would be for a global warming activist to continue driving gas powered cars until they are outlawed.

 

[MaxThreshold]

Minimum wage for thee but not for me!

The Freedom Socialist Party wants the minimum wage to be $20 an hour. However, they don't feel compelled to compensate their own workers with that kind of cash.

The party is looking for a web developer, and posted a job listing on Craigslist a week ago and Indeed.com yesterday, and it's been raising eyebrows on social media.

Although the average annual salary of a web developer in the U.S. is around $62,500, the Freedom Socialist Party only wants to pay $13 an hour, which would be $26,000 a year. Except that the party won't hire someone full-time, so their next web developer's total compensation won't even be that modest chunk of change.

Just another case of liberal hypocrisy.

It's not hypocrisy - they would pay $20 if the minimum wage was raised.

Correct.

That's fine. But if you don't practice what you preach then that makes you a hypocrite. That's the textbook definition of a hypocrite.

 

[BigSteelThrill]

No it doesn't.

You work within the legal guidelines and use your resources to change the guidelines.

 

[Christo]

No it doesn't.

You work within the legal guidelines and use your resources to change the guidelines.

$20/hr is within the guidelines.

HTH

 

[BigSteelThrill]

No it doesn't.

You work within the legal guidelines and use your resources to change the guidelines.

$20/hr is within the guidelines.

HTH

But the resources will be used to affect the greater change they are working towards.

 

[MaxThreshold]

No it doesn't.

You work within the legal guidelines and use your resources to change the guidelines.

Bull-####. If you advocate $20 an hour wage, you better be paying your employees $20/hr. You can't dance around that and pretend it's not hypocrisy. It is.

 

[Christo]

No it doesn't.

You work within the legal guidelines and use your resources to change the guidelines.

$20/hr is within the guidelines.

HTH

But the resources will be used to affect the greater change they are working towards.

If all it takes to get the minimum wage raised to $20/hr is to pay one guy $13/hr rather than $20/hr don't you think it would have already been accomplished?

 

[Christo]

No it doesn't.

You work within the legal guidelines and use your resources to change the guidelines.

Bull-####. If you advocate $20 an hour wage, you better be paying your employees $20/hr. You can't dance around that and pretend it's not hypocrisy. It is.

Of course it's bull####.

 

[cstu]

Minimum wage for thee but not for me!

The Freedom Socialist Party wants the minimum wage to be $20 an hour. However, they don't feel compelled to compensate their own workers with that kind of cash.

The party is looking for a web developer, and posted a job listing on Craigslist a week ago and Indeed.com yesterday, and it's been raising eyebrows on social media.

Although the average annual salary of a web developer in the U.S. is around $62,500, the Freedom Socialist Party only wants to pay $13 an hour, which would be $26,000 a year. Except that the party won't hire someone full-time, so their next web developer's total compensation won't even be that modest chunk of change.

Just another case of liberal hypocrisy.

It's not hypocrisy - they would pay $20 if the minimum wage was raised.

Correct.

That's fine. But if you don't practice what you preach then that makes you a hypocrite. That's the textbook definition of a hypocrite.

It's not hypocrisy to say you will pay $20/hr only if everyone agrees to pay $20/hr.

 

[avoiding injuries]

I get the feeling that the people defending this group for acting within the laws think that there is a war on women with regards to difference in pay.

 

[Christo]

Minimum wage for thee but not for me!

The Freedom Socialist Party wants the minimum wage to be $20 an hour. However, they don't feel compelled to compensate their own workers with that kind of cash.

The party is looking for a web developer, and posted a job listing on Craigslist a week ago and Indeed.com yesterday, and it's been raising eyebrows on social media.

Although the average annual salary of a web developer in the U.S. is around $62,500, the Freedom Socialist Party only wants to pay $13 an hour, which would be $26,000 a year. Except that the party won't hire someone full-time, so their next web developer's total compensation won't even be that modest chunk of change.

Just another case of liberal hypocrisy.

It's not hypocrisy - they would pay $20 if the minimum wage was raised.

Correct.

That's fine. But if you don't practice what you preach then that makes you a hypocrite. That's the textbook definition of a hypocrite.

It's not hypocrisy to say you will pay $20/hr only if everyone agrees to pay $20/hr.

Link to where they said this?

 

[cstu]

Minimum wage for thee but not for me!

The Freedom Socialist Party wants the minimum wage to be $20 an hour. However, they don't feel compelled to compensate their own workers with that kind of cash.

The party is looking for a web developer, and posted a job listing on Craigslist a week ago and Indeed.com yesterday, and it's been raising eyebrows on social media.

Although the average annual salary of a web developer in the U.S. is around $62,500, the Freedom Socialist Party only wants to pay $13 an hour, which would be $26,000 a year. Except that the party won't hire someone full-time, so their next web developer's total compensation won't even be that modest chunk of change.

Just another case of liberal hypocrisy.

It's not hypocrisy - they would pay $20 if the minimum wage was raised.

Correct.

That's fine. But if you don't practice what you preach then that makes you a hypocrite. That's the textbook definition of a hypocrite.

It's not hypocrisy to say you will pay $20/hr only if everyone agrees to pay $20/hr.

Link to where they said this?

Their actions.

 

[flapgreen]

As a general commentary, what is most disturbing about this thread is the utter callousness by so many toward a huge segment of our population. Seriously, you are pathetic, self absorbed drains upon what good is left in our society at large.

Totally agree. One of my main complaints about this board. "I got mine...F everyone else". (And of course they got theirs because they are either smarter or work much harder than the dregs)

yep

 

[Christo]

Minimum wage for thee but not for me!

The Freedom Socialist Party wants the minimum wage to be $20 an hour. However, they don't feel compelled to compensate their own workers with that kind of cash.

The party is looking for a web developer, and posted a job listing on Craigslist a week ago and Indeed.com yesterday, and it's been raising eyebrows on social media.

Although the average annual salary of a web developer in the U.S. is around $62,500, the Freedom Socialist Party only wants to pay $13 an hour, which would be $26,000 a year. Except that the party won't hire someone full-time, so their next web developer's total compensation won't even be that modest chunk of change.

Just another case of liberal hypocrisy.

It's not hypocrisy - they would pay $20 if the minimum wage was raised.

Correct.

That's fine. But if you don't practice what you preach then that makes you a hypocrite. That's the textbook definition of a hypocrite.

It's not hypocrisy to say you will pay $20/hr only if everyone agrees to pay $20/hr.

Link to where they said this?

Their actions.

How do you know they wouldn't just farm it out to India?

 

[Ilov80s]

As a general commentary, what is most disturbing about this thread is the utter callousness by so many toward a huge segment of our population. Seriously, you are pathetic, self absorbed drains upon what good is left in our society at large.

Totally agree. One of my main complaints about this board. "I got mine...F everyone else". (And of course they got theirs because they are either smarter or work much harder than the dregs)

yep

Have you heard of the concept of social Darwinism?

 

[flapgreen]

As a general commentary, what is most disturbing about this thread is the utter callousness by so many toward a huge segment of our population. Seriously, you are pathetic, self absorbed drains upon what good is left in our society at large.

Totally agree. One of my main complaints about this board. "I got mine...F everyone else". (And of course they got theirs because they are either smarter or work much harder than the dregs)

yep

Have you heard of the concept of social Darwinism?

That where we evolved from Apes?

 

[Ilov80s]

As a general commentary, what is most disturbing about this thread is the utter callousness by so many toward a huge segment of our population. Seriously, you are pathetic, self absorbed drains upon what good is left in our society at large.

Totally agree. One of my main complaints about this board. "I got mine...F everyone else". (And of course they got theirs because they are either smarter or work much harder than the dregs)

yep

Have you heard of the concept of social Darwinism?

That where we evolved from Apes?

I was joking, but it's the idea that the rich are rich because they are superior people where the poor are so due to their natural inferiority. Darwin's theories applied to social structure.

 

[Ignoratio Elenchi]

Minimum wage for thee but not for me!

The Freedom Socialist Party wants the minimum wage to be $20 an hour. However, they don't feel compelled to compensate their own workers with that kind of cash.



The party is looking for a web developer, and posted a job listing on Craigslist a week ago and Indeed.com yesterday, and it's been raising eyebrows on social media.

Although the average annual salary of a web developer in the U.S. is around $62,500, the Freedom Socialist Party only wants to pay $13 an hour, which would be $26,000 a year. Except that the party won't hire someone full-time, so their next web developer's total compensation won't even be that modest chunk of change.

Just another case of liberal hypocrisy.

It's not hypocrisy - they would pay $20 if the minimum wage was raised.

Correct.

That's fine. But if you don't practice what you preach then that makes you a hypocrite. That's the textbook definition of a hypocrite.

It's not hypocrisy to say you will pay $20/hr only if everyone agrees to pay $20/hr.

I think everyone else pretty much has agreed to pay web developers more than $20 an hour. That's what makes this especially bad. It's not like they're looking to hire a barista.

 

[TDorBust]

HAHA, some funny stuff in this thread.

So follow this flow chart:

McDonalds 2x pay for employees

McDonalds raise prices (lets say) 20%

McDonalds no longer has X amount of customers (product <> price)

At a certain point the benefit of having McDonalds make your meal will be outweighed by the fact that you can make the same thing (only better likely) at home for a lot less.

Last check I could get beef for $4/lb. and burger buns for like $2 for an 8 pack, and finally a potato for like less than $1. So I could make a quarter-pounder w/ fries for about $2.25, add in toppings for about $0.10 and lets say $0.05 for cooking fuel. So for a total of $2.40 I can get a large order of fries and a 1/4 pounder w/ cheese ($0.05). Right now this meal would cost me probably $5 at the local McD but with a price increase I am looking at $6.... Is this now too much for me to want to pay?

Alternative, you walk into a Gas Station with a McD. Right now you have a decision between a hot dog+chip+soda for $3 vs $5 McD burger meal (might as well splurge for the little extra). Okay now you walk into the same Gas Station after a price increase same decision but now its $3 vs $6 (wow, its 2x the cost of the hot dog, does that make you change your mind?).

In the end, raise minimum wage if you want but its only going to make me visit these establishments less if its reflected in the pricing. Its the same reason why I visit my local butcher opposed to a big box grocery store. The grocery store has less quality vs the local butcher store and I am willing to pay a little extra for that quality. Waiters already can make $15-20+ an hour (used to wait tables myself at a chain restaurant) so these sit-down restaurants would likely look to cash in on any price increase from fast food joints. Example Dominos ready baked pizza's where you can just pick-up a pizza that is already cooked for $5.

What we need to do is have free public education post secondary that is based online. Now this will not be to the same level as Notre Dame, Harvard, or a State University it will be a college degree none the less. If everyone had easy access to this system and could take it at whatever pace they wanted (10 year BS) there would be less reason for the low income earners to stay at their jobs.

Just to add in one semi-heartless statement: If you can't afford to have kids then don't have them, its not my fault you had kids too young or when you couldn't afford it. I already had told my wife before we got married I didn't want to have kids right away until we were in a better financial situation. We both work, both have graduated college, and myself have a great job that I love. We are blessed and I wish everyone could get to where I am at but at the same time when I was in high school I saw plenty of kids blow off school, skip class, and get in trouble and I feel that I deserve to have a leg up for making the right decisions in my life.

To redeem my statement: I do think everyone deserves the right to live without the fear of being homeless or hungry. How we get there could vary but I feel instead of worrying about taxes and wages the government needs to invest in state grocery stores (basic foods only sold at cost or free for low income families - eliminate food stamps) and state owned apartment complexes where low income people/families could live in very modest living quarters while they save up or get back on their feet to get back into normal society (eliminate low income housing that is currently out there). I am not a socialist myself but this is a nice middle ground between socialistic ideas and pure capitalism.

 

[TDorBust]

One more thing I also think everyone comes from different parts of the US where different things are in place for the low income earners in the state. For instance when I graduated from college while I was looking for jobs I actually collected food stamps for about 4-5 months. Minimum wage is just a number and it doesn't take into account all the other money people are entitled to in their lives. Things like low-income housing, utility assistance, education assistance, school loan forgiveness, and a ton of other programs are already out there depending on where in the US you live.

 

[msommer]

Thanks TDorBust for getting htis thread beack towards the tracks

Christo and cstu were -ing it

 

[TDorBust]

Thanks TDorBust for getting htis thread beack towards the tracks

Christo and cstu were -ing it

One more thing to send it in the direct direction.

If minimum wage was raised to 15/hour I would want the following stipulation:

You only receive 15/hour if you have graduated from secondary school

You receive 12.50/hour for graduating middle school (extra $2.50 in tax used for education reforms - thus all employees cost the same to employer)

You receive 10/hour for graduating elementary school (extra $5 in tax used for education reforms)

You receive 9/hour for not graduating anything (extra $6 in tax used for education reforms)

You receive 17.50/hour for graduating with any college degree (government subsidizes the extra $2.50 compared to high school graduates by removing taxes or repositioning the extra tax collected on low income workers from employers)

Again the crux of this system is easy access to online schooling where you can even get your elementary school education degree online. The requirement is for every employer to have a study room and 1 PC/10 Employees for education only. This would eliminate the whole feeling of low income kids seeing no reason to finish school. This would make them realizing by just getting a GED your income will go up $5200 a year.

 

[jon_mx]

Fast food prices here are not based on costs, it is mostly demand driven and the current prices have huge profit margins in them. When value meals cost $2.99 several years ago, a rise in minimum wages would of had a big impact on prices. Prices have risen 100% in the last decade, far outpacing inflation. You can now go to a chinese buffet for about the same cost as a Big Mac value meal. A minimum wage increase would probably have a bigger impact on profit margins than price increases. I would imagine an increase in minimum wage would just be motivation for the fast food companies to automate their services more and cut the number of employees.