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massraider
Footballguy
I'm not sure where you're getting that from, but Morrison played OLB last year, and while Morrison was a MLB in college, I have not read anything about them making any kind of a switch.
inbreeder
Footballguy
The short version is that the Raider D was a mess last season, and that Morrison will likely line up as the WLB in a 4-3 front this season and is easily the best IDP bet.
The long version is that the Raider D in 2005 was a mess. After realizing that guys like Derrick Burgess and Warren Sapp weren't great fits and the LBs they had weren't good enough to play the 3-4 front in 2004, the Raiders intended to move to a 4-3. However, they still didn't have any proven LB to speak of, with a bunch of inexperience (Clark, Morrison, Williams, etc) and some tweener types who really weren't talented enough to play (Irons, Brayton).
They started the year with Irons and Brayton as the starting OLB, quickly finding out that wasn't going to work and that Clark and Morrison were the only playable LBs on the roster. They began experiencing with a 4-2-5 alignment similar to what the LB starved Rams used to do a couple years ago, bringing guys like Derrick Gibson, then Jarrod Cooper or Renaldo Hill up as an extra LB/safety type.
The Raiders have done nothing to address the LB position in the offseason. With the personnel they currently have up front, they'll have to line up in 4 man front again. It's possible Sam Williams has recovered enough to man the SLB slot, with Clark in the middle, and Morrison as the Will. You'd have to assume the Raiders draft at least one backer early.
I don't think Clark will produce any better than he did last season, so he should stay around replacement level production. I doubt that's worth franchising in your system. Morrison is the guy to have. Further improvement, a stable alignment (hopefully), and a full year as the starter all point to big things.
The long version is that the Raider D in 2005 was a mess. After realizing that guys like Derrick Burgess and Warren Sapp weren't great fits and the LBs they had weren't good enough to play the 3-4 front in 2004, the Raiders intended to move to a 4-3. However, they still didn't have any proven LB to speak of, with a bunch of inexperience (Clark, Morrison, Williams, etc) and some tweener types who really weren't talented enough to play (Irons, Brayton).
They started the year with Irons and Brayton as the starting OLB, quickly finding out that wasn't going to work and that Clark and Morrison were the only playable LBs on the roster. They began experiencing with a 4-2-5 alignment similar to what the LB starved Rams used to do a couple years ago, bringing guys like Derrick Gibson, then Jarrod Cooper or Renaldo Hill up as an extra LB/safety type.
The Raiders have done nothing to address the LB position in the offseason. With the personnel they currently have up front, they'll have to line up in 4 man front again. It's possible Sam Williams has recovered enough to man the SLB slot, with Clark in the middle, and Morrison as the Will. You'd have to assume the Raiders draft at least one backer early.
I don't think Clark will produce any better than he did last season, so he should stay around replacement level production. I doubt that's worth franchising in your system. Morrison is the guy to have. Further improvement, a stable alignment (hopefully), and a full year as the starter all point to big things.
Barry Jive and The Uptown Five
Footballguy
If I had to choose.... MorrisonWhy?Must be a Morrison owner, huh? He is not the MLB'er! He does play ILB, when they play 3-4, but so does D. Clark. When they play 4-3, it's all D. Clark in the middle.You should get your facts straight, you're misleading the person who asked a simple question.
When the Raiders go to nickel, Morrison is the LB that stays on the field.
Not only that, he's immensely more talented than Clark.
The bottom line is that Clark is a backup quality player who is in the lineup because they have no better option. He's adequate at best and will continue to fade behind the more talented Morrison who is on his way to being a fantasy stud or at the least a consistent top 15 LB.
Beaumont
Footballguy
I dont know about this. Danny Clark is the team captain. He is a hard hitter and he leads their defense. Morrison has been great, but I vertainly don't think we will be seeing Clark hit the bench soon ... They would need to acquire two very high level players for that to happen ...I do note that they are intereted in Keith Adams. Dont be surprised if Morrison switches to SLB ...
The bottom line is that Clark is a backup quality player who is in the lineup because they have no better option. He's adequate at best and will continue to fade behind the more talented Morrison who is on his way to being a fantasy stud or at the least a consistent top 15 LB.
inbreeder
Footballguy
I wouldn't expect Clark to be benched either. When I said replacement level player, I meant replaceable level fantasy production. Plenty of marginally talented LBs have had long careers in the NFL (Ronald McKinnon comes to mind), and the Raiders haven't shown any interest in overhauling the LB corps.Do you have a link on the Keith Adams angle?I dont know about this. Danny Clark is the team captain. He is a hard hitter and he leads their defense. Morrison has been great, but I vertainly don't think we will be seeing Clark hit the bench soon ... They would need to acquire two very high level players for that to happen ...I do note that they are intereted in Keith Adams. Dont be surprised if Morrison switches to SLB ...
The bottom line is that Clark is a backup quality player who is in the lineup because they have no better option. He's adequate at best and will continue to fade behind the more talented Morrison who is on his way to being a fantasy stud or at the least a consistent top 15 LB.
Beaumont
Footballguy
Raiders | Team showing a strong interest in K. AdamsTue, 28 Mar 2006 05:51:49 -0800I wouldn't expect Clark to be benched either. When I said replacement level player, I meant replaceable level fantasy production. Plenty of marginally talented LBs have had long careers in the NFL (Ronald McKinnon comes to mind), and the Raiders haven't shown any interest in overhauling the LB corps.Do you have a link on the Keith Adams angle?I dont know about this. Danny Clark is the team captain. He is a hard hitter and he leads their defense. Morrison has been great, but I vertainly don't think we will be seeing Clark hit the bench soon ... They would need to acquire two very high level players for that to happen ...I do note that they are intereted in Keith Adams. Dont be surprised if Morrison switches to SLB ...
The bottom line is that Clark is a backup quality player who is in the lineup because they have no better option. He's adequate at best and will continue to fade behind the more talented Morrison who is on his way to being a fantasy stud or at the least a consistent top 15 LB.
Mark Eckel, of the Trenton Times, reports the Oakland Raiders are showing a strong interest in signing free agent LB Keith Adams (Eagles).
inbreeder
Footballguy
Thanks. I didn't think to look at KFFL and the beat writers who follow the Raiders hadn't mentioned this.Here's the full blurb.Raiders | Team showing a strong interest in K. AdamsTue, 28 Mar 2006 05:51:49 -0800I wouldn't expect Clark to be benched either. When I said replacement level player, I meant replaceable level fantasy production. Plenty of marginally talented LBs have had long careers in the NFL (Ronald McKinnon comes to mind), and the Raiders haven't shown any interest in overhauling the LB corps.Do you have a link on the Keith Adams angle?I dont know about this. Danny Clark is the team captain. He is a hard hitter and he leads their defense. Morrison has been great, but I vertainly don't think we will be seeing Clark hit the bench soon ... They would need to acquire two very high level players for that to happen ...I do note that they are intereted in Keith Adams. Dont be surprised if Morrison switches to SLB ...
The bottom line is that Clark is a backup quality player who is in the lineup because they have no better option. He's adequate at best and will continue to fade behind the more talented Morrison who is on his way to being a fantasy stud or at the least a consistent top 15 LB.
Mark Eckel, of the Trenton Times, reports the Oakland Raiders are showing a strong interest in signing free agent LB Keith Adams (Eagles).
Adams outplayed Simoneau (not saying too much though, heh) and got the WLB gig in Philly last year but really wasn't anything special. He's small (5'11", 220s), but known as a big hitter and special teams guy. The Eagles clearly felt Adams to be replaceable, having signed Shawn Barber pretty early in the FA period. They also have Matt McCoy around yet to challenge on the weak side.
I've not seen anything negative about the recovery of Sam Williams (ACL) who would've started at SLB last season. Then again, he's never finished a full season healthy. I'd guess signing Adams would be for depth and special teams help. But Morrison could probably play all three LB positions and Adams' best fit would be at WLB.
All speculation of course and I don't think it changes Clark's value much. Morrison will be a three down backer regardless.
massraider
Footballguy
I actually wanted the Raiders to sign Adams last season, when they only had ONE LB, Clark. Morrison raised that number to two, hooray.
Adams is no long term answer, he's undersized, but active, and can only play WLB.
The minute he signs with them, he'll be their 3rd best LB, but that means little.
I would guess he would be a backup, and a ST demon. I will concede there might be an outside shot at him taking the WLB job if the position isn't addressed in the draft. Clark and Morrison both have experience playing OLB, and it's possible one could slide to the strong side.
That's strictly "one guy talking", I've heard nothing to suggest that any movement like this is in the works, but if they hold serve with these backers, God forbid, that seems a logical way to get their best 3 on the field.
In larger dynasty leagues, with big rosters, Adams wouldn't be a bad flyer pickup, if he signs with the Raiders.
Adams is no long term answer, he's undersized, but active, and can only play WLB.
The minute he signs with them, he'll be their 3rd best LB, but that means little.
I would guess he would be a backup, and a ST demon. I will concede there might be an outside shot at him taking the WLB job if the position isn't addressed in the draft. Clark and Morrison both have experience playing OLB, and it's possible one could slide to the strong side.
That's strictly "one guy talking", I've heard nothing to suggest that any movement like this is in the works, but if they hold serve with these backers, God forbid, that seems a logical way to get their best 3 on the field.
In larger dynasty leagues, with big rosters, Adams wouldn't be a bad flyer pickup, if he signs with the Raiders.
I'm not suggesting that Clark will be benched by any stretch, only that he is a marginal starter. Ronald McKinnon is a very good comparison. The difference is the Cards went several years and never added a better linebacker. the Raiders went 1 year then picked up Morrison. Clark is still the second best linebacker on the team for what that's worth. Clark spent his first 4 years in Jacksonville where he had opportunities to earn starting jobs at all 3 positions but was never able to hold onto one. His best season total was 69 tackles in '02 when he made several starts at both middle and on the strong side.
Interesting situation with Adams but I think it more likely that Clark would move to SLB. He's bigger and very physical, the position would probably better fit his abilities. And he has experience.
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