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Darwin Thompson, Chiefs RB (2 Viewers)
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rockaction
Footballguy
That belongs in the Assistant Coach Forum, but it depends on how much you like risk. Considering Williams's coach just basically announced a plan for at least a 60-40 timeshare, maybe not so wise?
Or maybe. That's why you ask in that forum. Finer minds than mine dwell there.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
This feels like one of those situations where no one will believe in Thompson until he gets a majority share of carries, & plays at a high level for a sustained period.
Meanwhile benefit of the doubt will be given in heaps to guys still waiting for opportunities.
i recall seeing Thompson make excellent blocks in the preseason - Waldman specifically called out his competence in pass Pro. This comment by Reid was reportedly said as a compliment, so I’m not sure why everyone’s interpreting it as a negative.
i’d venture a guess that there are a lot of Shady & DWill owners in here.
I’m not sayin Thompson is anything yet, but I’ve said all preseason and to date that he’s arguably the best lottery ticket around. Better before the Shady trade, sure - but since it’s a RBBC, all it takes is one injury for relevance.
Now they’re both hurt & people are still down on Thompson?
Mind-boggling.
Maybe if the season was one week long, or they played the Ravens every week I could see it, but....
Meanwhile benefit of the doubt will be given in heaps to guys still waiting for opportunities.
i recall seeing Thompson make excellent blocks in the preseason - Waldman specifically called out his competence in pass Pro. This comment by Reid was reportedly said as a compliment, so I’m not sure why everyone’s interpreting it as a negative.
i’d venture a guess that there are a lot of Shady & DWill owners in here.
I’m not sayin Thompson is anything yet, but I’ve said all preseason and to date that he’s arguably the best lottery ticket around. Better before the Shady trade, sure - but since it’s a RBBC, all it takes is one injury for relevance.
Now they’re both hurt & people are still down on Thompson?
Mind-boggling.
Maybe if the season was one week long, or they played the Ravens every week I could see it, but....
rockaction
Footballguy
Nope. I have McCoy in all three leagues I'm in, Thompson and Williams also in one that I particularly like.
So I have the Trinity. Still hate it. Wastes bench spots.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Been there many times with various situations.
Clarity would be nice.
IMO Thompson should be rostered everywhere.
rockaction
Footballguy
leftcoastheel
Footballguy
I've done this on a couple teams with the KC back field. Now I am trying to consolidate D.T. and Williams on teams where I don't have D Will or McCoy.
Never totally understood this... If you have more than 5 or 6 bench spots, does it really waste bench spots? Who else are you going to put there? Another backup on a lesser offense? Seems to me a good strategy is to pick the best offense in the league with a murky situation and roster those guys until it works out. Just as good as having, say, CJ Anderson, Jaylen Samuels and McCoy on your roster IMO, for instance.
Mario Wario
Footballguy
Ugh, hopefully one KC RB will win the job eventually. I may have to pick up Darwin since I have McCoy and D. Williams already in one league I love playing in. Mecole Hardman, who is my 5th WR, would be the odd man out in that league (I have Justin Jackson due to having Ekeler, playing it safe there). Should I do it? Hmmmm...
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Ilov80s
Footballguy
No worries, I won’t lump you in with some of the other unfunny posters, I’m sure your jokes will grow on me.
rockaction
Footballguy
Yeah, the benches I'm speaking of are really short, actually. One's a start eleven league which includes K and D/ST, bench spots equal to five and one IR.
So there's that.
I do get what you're saying, other than that. Sometimes, though, it never susses out. It's just a timeshare and the onus is upon the GM to roster and start the right player at the right time. The other way, with the players you've listed, you're hoping for a clean, clear path to a number one running back either by talent or injury. I'd personally like to draft so well that I draft talented, high-volume guys that are undervalued for some reason. It's hard when you're going up against good players, though, so luck factors in at some point. It's like perfect competition and information in economics. Perfect competition operates at no profit, right? Something like that...
Anyway, your point is taken, but sometimes everything stays constant, and the timeshare isn't enough for a title.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
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Right now in a deep bench league I am roster ring Singleterry, Dion Lewis, Thompson, the new guy in Detroit, L.Murray....but then, I went deep at WR & needed to grab lottery tickets.
So I get both strategies.
Well, to play devils advocate, in theory by caring multiple backups on multiple teams the diversification gives you lots of lottery tickets. So in the event that any starter goes down on any of those teams you hit your lottery ticket. By comparison, by having three or four back ups on one team you may end up with a quagmire of valueless scrubs. You’ll need just the right confluence of injuries to make one of them valuable. We may be seeing that with Thompson right now, but then again we may not.
Right now in a deep bench league I am roster ring Singleterry, Dion Lewis, Thompson, the new guy in Detroit, L.Murray....but then, I went deep at WR & needed to grab lottery tickets.
So I get both strategies.
habsfan
Footballguy
To me it's a bit like holding a stock you believe in. When the price goes down it's seen as an opportunity to buy more shares - unless of course they keep going down. When you hold partial shares in a backfield you think should be productive and the situation becomes more muddled, you can unload your position at a loss or "buy more shares". This has happened to me a number of times with the Ravens. Your logic is that someone is going to emerge as a startable guy. Then ideally you can shed the others and move on. But if the situation never gets clearer it's tying up spots and hard to get out.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Oh I get it. I see both as viable options. Sometimes diversification may afford greater opportunity though.
Scattershot vs consolidated approach.
Cowboysfan8
Footballguy
I’ve seen at least 2 people mention Darrell Williams and get ignored
Anyone that thinks Reid won’t split touches between Thompson and Darrell Williams if the 2 starters sit is fooling themselves imo
Anyone that thinks Reid won’t split touches between Thompson and Darrell Williams if the 2 starters sit is fooling themselves imo
rockaction
Footballguy
I noticed that, too. I'm not ignoring them. But you can't really roster four and he's the fourth on the depth chart, so...
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Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
No one’s “ignoring” Darrell Williams. We are aware of his presence.
But Reid didn’t talk up Williams in the preseason - he talked up Thompson.
Reid didn’t just praise Darrell Williams. He praised Thompson.
Tea leaves tell me if Shady & DWill miss time, Thompson will have every chance to dominate carries.
Williams exists. He’s going to get touches. No one running back will carry all of the mail.
But in terms of FF relevance, IMO its Thompson who’s got the best shot at providing value.
Capella
Footballguy
I mean they have a qb off to one of, if not, the best start to a career in nfl history. Yea the back better be able to notice the blitz coming.
Truebluey
Footballguy
Wow gutsy call. Houston offense runs through the air, it's brave to drop the #2 WR in that offense after 2 weeks. I'm betting he gets snatched up by another owner.
I saw someone else saying they are dropping Hardman for him. Again, not sure I'd make that call right now.
rockaction
Footballguy
Yeah, I have a gentle disagreement with my friend Hot Sauce Guy about how to read that blurb. The emphasis on keeping Mahomes clean is akin to Brady and that's just that. You'd better be able to pass protect this week against BAL. No rook is threatening his health over .5 YPC.
ChuckLiddell
Footballguy
This is a re-post...
Waldman breaks down Darwin as a blocker. Guy is little but so strong. Squatted 515 lbs 7 times (video in link). He is going to be on the field.
https://mattwaldmanrsp.com/2019/08/18/matt-waldmans-rsp-nfl-lens-rb-darwin-thompson-chiefs-pass-protection/
rockaction
Footballguy
Thanks for posting. I'll be glad to check it out and hope that if McCoy or Williams can't go that he's earned Reid's trust to stay in and protect.
The Kerminator
Footballguy
I think Reid acknowledge that Thompson has the physical tools to pass block. That isn't the issue. It's recognizing who to block that is the issue.
coyote5
Footballguy
ChuckLiddell
Footballguy
Absolutely agree. Been a few weeks since I read the article, but I thought it noted a few examples of him picking up the blitz reads like a veteran
rockaction
Footballguy
Funny, these days when I squat, I fold like an accordion and that's the only FLEX anybody sees outta me for weeks.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Yep - I’ve referred to that several times. It’s what sold me on Thompson as a lottery ticket.
He has to recognize the blitz, but that’s true for every running back.
The defensive coordinator’s job is to fool the offensive players. The offensive players job is to protect the QB if that’s the assignment.
Chiefs throw to the RBs a lot though - so the task of pass pro is lessened a little. They call a lot of quick hitters too.
And Thompson is a rookie, but he’s not playing his 1st game of football.
I'm as guilty of hyperbole as anyone on this forum, but the idea that Reid would run Thompson or any RB out there with a low level of confidence in his blocking skills seems a little far fetched.
Baltimore is 6th in rushing DVOA this year and also finished 6th last year.
Chiefs LT (blindside) Eric Fisher is having groin surgery.
It's a terrible fantasy spot for whatever RB goes out there this week. Reid is going to choose his best blocker and I doubt that RB sees many carries.
Chiefs LT (blindside) Eric Fisher is having groin surgery.
It's a terrible fantasy spot for whatever RB goes out there this week. Reid is going to choose his best blocker and I doubt that RB sees many carries.
rockaction
Footballguy
I don't think anybody thinks this is a cakewalk matchup in the running game for the Chiefs, we're just hoping with all the draft capital invested in these guys that they have a serviceable day. A little mediocre ROI would be nice. But yeah, I get exactly what you're saying.
Capella
Footballguy
Being strong doesn’t mean you can pass block. Has very little to do with it. You can be the strongest guy on the field and still get blown up.
Cowboysfan8
Footballguy
ChuckLiddell
Footballguy
Understood. That was one aspect of the article - just a small piece. It was more to dispel the notion that his size was going to be a detriment when it was originally posted a few weeks ago. I was just cutting and pasting. The main takeaway was Waldman's analysis of his pass blocking, which regardless of his lower body strenghth (which is ridiculous, and certainly will help), was very positively reviewed in the article.
HULLOBUDMAN
Footballguy
. IIRC, he did take on the blitzer low and there was a comment about how his technique needed to improve. I guess my point was that he is a willing blocker but maybe not technically sound. One can be taught, the other is all attitude. Guess we may see how much he has learned.
Edited: Found the link
https://twitter.com/kent_swanson/status/1160760030938980352?ref_src=twsrc^tfw|twcamp^tweetembed|twterm^1160760030938980352&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.arrowheadpride.com%2F2019%2F8%2F12%2F20801625%2Fagainst-the-bengals-darwin-thompson-showed-traits-to-contribute-early
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Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
Where do you put this guy? Different leagues, different rules, some leagues you can only carry 4-5 RBs.
-Most FF teams in theory tried to draft a quality RB1, maybe a 3rd-4th round pick on the RB2, say a Carson or even the rookie in Oakland, then I'm betting a lot of owners have something like a Cohen/Coleman/Breida they grabbed in the 7th, then it was maybe Peyton Barber a little after that and then a lot of owners grabbed guys like Justin Jackson or Malcolm Brown...let's focus on a few other lottery tickets.
Justin Jackson, Malcom Brown, would you rather have a Darwin Thompson right now? I am definitely intrigued and think there is a lot of merit however I think Mahomes safety will be their primary concern. That's what you would fear with a rookie vs Williams and McCoy although I'm not sure I know LeSean much for his pass blocking skills. And I'm not a huge fan of Williams as getting the bulk of the workload or production.
If I had to guess Thompson is going to be worth a lot more the 2nd half of the season. "Si Si I'm very intrigued"
-Most FF teams in theory tried to draft a quality RB1, maybe a 3rd-4th round pick on the RB2, say a Carson or even the rookie in Oakland, then I'm betting a lot of owners have something like a Cohen/Coleman/Breida they grabbed in the 7th, then it was maybe Peyton Barber a little after that and then a lot of owners grabbed guys like Justin Jackson or Malcolm Brown...let's focus on a few other lottery tickets.
Justin Jackson, Malcom Brown, would you rather have a Darwin Thompson right now? I am definitely intrigued and think there is a lot of merit however I think Mahomes safety will be their primary concern. That's what you would fear with a rookie vs Williams and McCoy although I'm not sure I know LeSean much for his pass blocking skills. And I'm not a huge fan of Williams as getting the bulk of the workload or production.
If I had to guess Thompson is going to be worth a lot more the 2nd half of the season. "Si Si I'm very intrigued"
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Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
When you grab these late round flier picks, you are banking on injuries to the 1 or 2 guys ahead of him on the depth chart. So we're down to predicting injury that can happen to any RB on any play. No one can really answer your question accurately. They're each talent and each are in good offenses. You can keep dropping one for the other but if you guess wrong you're right back to where you started - holding and hoping.
skol asylum
Footballguy
Dropped Mattison and picked up Thompson as a short bench stash.
Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
Let's go top to bottom on Rams Chiefs and Chargers
-Gurley is getting plenty of touches and Brown seems like he has the RB2 spot locked up.
-The Bolts have more of a system for 2 RBs to look good. Ekeler is the top dawg for sure but JJ had a huge TD run called back on a phantom holding call...he woulda had 120/TD easy and people would be pulling their hair out arguing between the two of them this week. Box Score sniffers likely missed that run if they didn't see it live.
-Chiefs are a hot mess at RB. McCoy plays like a 30 year old now, no faith in Williams however I don't see Darwin being trusted to protect Mahomes just yet. But the little bit of video or tape I've seen on him, he looks great and has that strong little hamster look to him.
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
rockaction
Footballguy
Yeah, if you don't like the running game (and I mistakenly, I think, took out large chunks of it in my leagues) then stay away because it doesn't look to suss itself out without injury and age, two uncomfortable ways to reach a resolution.
Pigskin Fanatic
Footballguy
on this point, and this article goes back to 2017, Hunt was not exactly a "good" pass blocker and yet he got plenty of looks. agree Mahomes' safety is priority, but history would dictate that Thompson would get pt if he proves to be value. been seeing a lot of comp to Hunt here and i'm starting to come around to the notion. hopping on board the lottery train.
leftcoastheel
Footballguy
I would not start him this week... I own D.T. and D.W. everywhere... and I'm still sitting tight unless a) McCoy is out and b) I am truly desperate.McCoy will attempt to practice today, Damien will not. Oh man.... if Damien sits, who has the cojones to start Darwin in a tough matchup.
I would have to choose to start Darwin over Sony or McLaurin (0.5 ppr)......
Patience.......
Dizzy
Footballguy
Pat's hosting NYJ w/ QB3... I'm thinking another 20 carry game for Michel.McCoy will attempt to practice today, Damien will not. Oh man.... if Damien sits, who has the cojones to start Darwin in a tough matchup.
I would have to choose to start Darwin over Sony or McLaurin (0.5 ppr)......
rockaction
Footballguy
I'm looking at detailed receiving statistics today. McLaurin in the top twenty of almost everything but catch rate. He's eleventh aDOT, top twenty in targets, nearly top ten yards, two touchdowns tied for second overall, you name it. One drop. Nice dilemma to have, is what I'm saying.McCoy will attempt to practice today, Damien will not. Oh man.... if Damien sits, who has the cojones to start Darwin in a tough matchup.
I would have to choose to start Darwin over Sony or McLaurin (0.5 ppr)......
zamboni
Footballguy
Given that Brady was still throwing the ball to Edelman with 2 minutes left against the Dolphins, while up a gazillion points, I'd be surprised if he had fewer than 30 carries. But I digress...
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rockaction
Footballguy
Yeah, can't see starting Darwin against Baltimore, even if both McCoy & Williams don't play.
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