Demarco Murray (1 Viewer)

[MNTom]

Yes, no more Tashard Choice coming in as the red zone back.

Maybe Tanner in the Red zone?

 

[Bracie Smathers]

I drafted Murray in a rookie dynasty draft because I saw something special in him but couldn't put my finger on it till reviewing the tape of his break-out game.

I noticed a few things that make him dangerous in the open field.

- Great vision as soon as he reaches the second level

As soon as he got past the line of scrimmage he knew where defenders who had an angle on him were and didn't hesitate in taking a cut to gain separation from them.

- Uncanny ability to cut at full-speed.

His running style is unique, look at his feet as Lammey would say. When he's running full-speed he is not up on his tip-toes where the center of balance is unstable, he runs where he has more contact than trailing defenders who are coming at him from an angle. With more contact with the ground from his feet at full speed he has traction to make cuts that break the ankles of defenders. One person said he looked slow, smile. Illusion for sure. It is his running style that makes it appear as though he's slow because most automatically elevate and run on tip-toes at full-speed but he is running very fast.

The Rams are 0-6 and they are not good at defending the run but in the entire history of the NFL only eight other backs had run for the amount of yards that Murray ran in his first game where he got carries to do damage. Hype? I don't see how anyone could dismiss a top ten ALL-TIME NFL game from a rookie getting his first significant work even if he ran over a bad defense.

The Rams were not concerned with the Cowboy running game and were playing their safeties really deep and they got caught flat footed on that ninety one yard run. Funny that Green Bay only ran for 90 yards against the Rams the previous week. All year only Philly ran for over 200 yards against the Rams and that was only because Mike Vick had 14 carries for 97 yards. That was for those who like to play with stats to try and dismiss what the kid because its child's play to come back with any number of stats to counter that sort of weak stat argument.

Murray has special skills when he gets to the second level.

If Garrett is smart he will keep feeding the kid knowing it is only a matter of time befor he breaks a long one.

Its not hype if the kid produces. In the only game Demarco Murray got a chance to show his skills he displayed them in record shattering form.

 

[ericttspikes]

NYJ ~ Game 1 ~ ranked 15th in ypc through 6 weeks at 4.2* Attempts : 2* Yards : 0* Average : 0SFO ~ Game 2 ~ ranked 5th in ypc through 6 weeks at 3.6* Attempts : 6* Yards : 21* Average : 3.5WAS~ Game 3 ~ ranked 22th in ypc through 6 weeks at 4.6* Attempts : 2* Yards : 6* Average : 3DET ~ Game 4 ~ ranked 28th in ypc through 6 weeks at 5.0* Attempts : 4* Yards : 12* Average : 3NWE ~ Game 5 ~ ranked 16th in ypc through 6 weeks at 4.3* Attempts : 10* Yards : 32* Average : 3.2STL ~ Game 6 ~ ranked 16th in ypc through 6 weeks at 5.5* Attempts : 25* Yards : 253* Average : 10.12

What do I see when I look at these numbers ?I see the Rams doing a league worst at all three of * Yards given up per game : 183* Yards given up per run on average : 5.5* Total yards given up on the season : 1103* Longest run given up on the season : 91If Murray has any talent than he should have posted good numbers. But look at every other team he's faced this year? I understand that it may have taken him a couple games to get used to NFL speed; I understand that this is a small sample size; I understand that in many of the games he didn't get many carries to get going. But across the board, whether it was a strong defense (SFO) or a softer run defense like the Lions, Murray didn't wow anyone. Someone who goes out and in his first real start breaks the record for rushing yards for the cowboys, set by Emmitt Smith, while every other matchup has posted nothing more than an average of 3.5, tells me there while be a regression toward the mean. I'm not yet excited about Murray but that may be because I don't like the cowboys.I'm not yet excited about Murray because he is the reason why I lost last week in Fantasy.Take these numbers and explanations with a grain of salt do to the above bias'. Pick him up if you have space on your fantasy roster. I would even get excited about him if I were a cowboy's fan. However, being those 3 I would not go as far as to mortgage the house or get hype on a message board.However, I do like to . If you watched the game last week, don't give me the bull on how hard he ran etc. Explain to me why he didn't gather more than just 3.5 yac in any other game. Does he only run hard against soft defenses? Don't tell me the guy was a BEAST at OU. There have been ton of beast players at every position that come into the NFL. The college game is completely different and no one should have to argue that point.

wow. a lot of time there. By an extension of your logic, I will assume Sproles and PT will each have 10+ averages today vs the lowly Rams, right?In an injury riddled NFL season, the guy put up monster numbers in week 7. Rushed for more yards in one game than some "name brand" backs have all year, like Chris Johnson. Who knows what he does from here on out and frankly who cares. The name of the game is to get production, and he provided it. At this point he's either on your team or not, no real use crystal balling. He'll either produce or he won't and if you don't have him why worry about it.If you watched Dallas at all this year you'll know that the run game has sucked. Might be Felix, might be the line, might be play calling, might be a combo of all. All I care about is that I started Murray last week and he got me a W. If he continues, good for me. If he falters, on to the next RB.

 

[theprince]

NYJ ~ Game 1 ~ ranked 15th in ypc through 6 weeks at 4.2* Attempts : 2* Yards : 0* Average : 0SFO ~ Game 2 ~ ranked 5th in ypc through 6 weeks at 3.6* Attempts : 6* Yards : 21* Average : 3.5WAS~ Game 3 ~ ranked 22th in ypc through 6 weeks at 4.6* Attempts : 2* Yards : 6* Average : 3DET ~ Game 4 ~ ranked 28th in ypc through 6 weeks at 5.0* Attempts : 4* Yards : 12* Average : 3NWE ~ Game 5 ~ ranked 16th in ypc through 6 weeks at 4.3* Attempts : 10* Yards : 32* Average : 3.2STL ~ Game 6 ~ ranked 16th in ypc through 6 weeks at 5.5* Attempts : 25* Yards : 253* Average : 10.12

What do I see when I look at these numbers ?I see the Rams doing a league worst at all three of * Yards given up per game : 183* Yards given up per run on average : 5.5* Total yards given up on the season : 1103* Longest run given up on the season : 91If Murray has any talent than he should have posted good numbers. But look at every other team he's faced this year? I understand that it may have taken him a couple games to get used to NFL speed; I understand that this is a small sample size; I understand that in many of the games he didn't get many carries to get going. But across the board, whether it was a strong defense (SFO) or a softer run defense like the Lions, Murray didn't wow anyone. Someone who goes out and in his first real start breaks the record for rushing yards for the cowboys, set by Emmitt Smith, while every other matchup has posted nothing more than an average of 3.5, tells me there while be a regression toward the mean. I'm not yet excited about Murray but that may be because I don't like the cowboys.I'm not yet excited about Murray because he is the reason why I lost last week in Fantasy.Take these numbers and explanations with a grain of salt do to the above bias'. Pick him up if you have space on your fantasy roster. I would even get excited about him if I were a cowboy's fan. However, being those 3 I would not go as far as to mortgage the house or get hype on a message board.However, I do like to . If you watched the game last week, don't give me the bull on how hard he ran etc. Explain to me why he didn't gather more than just 3.5 yac in any other game. Does he only run hard against soft defenses? Don't tell me the guy was a BEAST at OU. There have been ton of beast players at every position that come into the NFL. The college game is completely different and no one should have to argue that point.

wow. a lot of time there. By an extension of your logic, I will assume Sproles and PT will each have 10+ averages today vs the lowly Rams, right?In an injury riddled NFL season, the guy put up monster numbers in week 7. Rushed for more yards in one game than some "name brand" backs have all year, like Chris Johnson. Who knows what he does from here on out and frankly who cares. The name of the game is to get production, and he provided it. At this point he's either on your team or not, no real use crystal balling. He'll either produce or he won't and if you don't have him why worry about it.If you watched Dallas at all this year you'll know that the run game has sucked. Might be Felix, might be the line, might be play calling, might be a combo of all. All I care about is that I started Murray last week and he got me a W. If he continues, good for me. If he falters, on to the next RB.

 

[duaneok66]

I drafted Murray in a rookie dynasty draft because I saw something special in him but couldn't put my finger on it till reviewing the tape of his break-out game.

I noticed a few things that make him dangerous in the open field.

- Great vision as soon as he reaches the second level

As soon as he got past the line of scrimmage he knew where defenders who had an angle on him were and didn't hesitate in taking a cut to gain separation from them.

- Uncanny ability to cut at full-speed.

His running style is unique, look at his feet as Lammey would say. When he's running full-speed he is not up on his tip-toes where the center of balance is unstable, he runs where he has more contact than trailing defenders who are coming at him from an angle. With more contact with the ground from his feet at full speed he has traction to make cuts that break the ankles of defenders. One person said he looked slow, smile. Illusion for sure. It is his running style that makes it appear as though he's slow because most automatically elevate and run on tip-toes at full-speed but he is running very fast.

The Rams are 0-6 and they are not good at defending the run but in the entire history of the NFL only eight other backs had run for the amount of yards that Murray ran in his first game where he got carries to do damage. Hype? I don't see how anyone could dismiss a top ten ALL-TIME NFL game from a rookie getting his first significant work even if he ran over a bad defense.

The Rams were not concerned with the Cowboy running game and were playing their safeties really deep and they got caught flat footed on that ninety one yard run. Funny that Green Bay only ran for 90 yards against the Rams the previous week. All year only Philly ran for over 200 yards against the Rams and that was only because Mike Vick had 14 carries for 97 yards. That was for those who like to play with stats to try and dismiss what the kid because its child's play to come back with any number of stats to counter that sort of weak stat argument.

Murray has special skills when he gets to the second level.

If Garrett is smart he will keep feeding the kid knowing it is only a matter of time befor he breaks a long one.

Its not hype if the kid produces. In the only game Demarco Murray got a chance to show his skills he displayed them in record shattering form.

every up and coming back does.

 

[theprince]

What do I see when I look at these numbers ?

I see the Rams doing a league worst at all three of

* Yards given up per game : 183

* Yards given up per run on average : 5.5

* Total yards given up on the season : 1103

* Longest run given up on the season : 91

How much of this damage was Demarco himself?

 

[redBourne]

Good post redBourne - but you completely forgot that Murray is "special" and "mature" - don't bother with logic in this thread.

Logic? I guess...but using games where he got 2 or 3 or 4 carries as proof of anything is pretty short sighted.Yes, the Rams sucks...but he was phenomenal in that game (despite the stumble you went on about).He is a rookie...it takes time for rookies. The kid showed talent in college and will be given a chance at least this one more week.When its over, if he does well, I expect the same excuses. Its just philly's D, who couldn't have run against them...and so on.

I apologize if the post felt as thought I was completely dismissing Murray. I was only indicating that it's impossible to get completely hype about him yet. Temper your expectations against a guy that's only performed for one game, and posted monster numbers against the worst defense in the league. It does take time for rookies and I expressed that in my post. If the guy didn't show talent in college then he wouldn't be here anyway. If he does do well against philly, than yes there will be those that say philly's rush defense has been terrible. However, for me, I'll start believing a little bit more. One, that means he showed good numbers against two team. A second, Philly has started to pull in the wide nine a bit to assist with the rush defense. So they're no longer a free rushing game.

Explain to me why he didn't gather more than just 3.5 yac in any other game.

I believe there is a post in this very thread that a 'Boys fan pointed out vs. the Patriots he was at 8-35, or something like that, then was given a couple carries late while the Cowboys still had the lead in an effort to milk more clock. Pats new what was coming and he got stuffed both times winding up at 10 for 32. It may have been a different thread, but I recall reading it on here someplace.No dog in this fight, as I don't care who thinks he/isn't all that. Just using that Pats game as an example to point out, you can't just look at a row of numbers and determine anything(good or bad. It's why you can't anoint him Barry f-ing Sanders after last week either). Game situation dictates a ton. Amount of opportunity dictates a ton. What'd he have coming into last weeks' game, 20 total career carries? 25? Plus a handful of catches? Can't remotely make an informed judgement off of that small of a sample size.

The pats info is exactly what i was looking for. Someone with insight on the other games that Murray has played. I realize this too and indicated so in my thread. That's why I also feel one game is a small sample size to judge a player and completely hyped over him too, regardless of the output. Of course, putting up record breaking numbers gathers more attention than 20 rushes for 133 yards. I just want people to temper their expectations.

Your logic suggests that 6 attempts for 21 yards and a 3.5 average will translate to 18 attempts for 63 yards and a 3.5 average. Murray's YPC average in 4 or 5 carry games doesn't mean anything.

It only means something because we have nothing else in the NFL to go on. My logic doesn't suggest that we multiply the averages. It only implies that with the opportunities that he has received, in a very limited role, was not very successful.

rmeoved my original post for readability

wow. a lot of time there. By an extension of your logic, I will assume Sproles and PT will each have 10+ averages today vs the lowly Rams, right?In an injury riddled NFL season, the guy put up monster numbers in week 7. Rushed for more yards in one game than some "name brand" backs have all year, like Chris Johnson. Who knows what he does from here on out and frankly who cares. The name of the game is to get production, and he provided it. At this point he's either on your team or not, no real use crystal balling. He'll either produce or he won't and if you don't have him why worry about it.If you watched Dallas at all this year you'll know that the run game has sucked. Might be Felix, might be the line, might be play calling, might be a combo of all. All I care about is that I started Murray last week and he got me a W. If he continues, good for me. If he falters, on to the next RB.

Not too much time, but I do like to try and post something other than "he's sweet because I think so". And not by my "logic" will Sproles and PT put up 10 ypc. My logic says they're likely to have productive days. Where does my logic suggest everyone has 10 ypc against STL?He did put up numbers in an injury riddled season and in one game provided great number, better than bigger names, such as Chris Johnson. I agree. But you're right, who knows what he does from here, BUT I disagree in that no one cares. I do. A lot of people do. Otherwise why would be on page 10 discussing this guy. I want someone to discuss with me why they think he's great or isn't. If I'm convinced that he's an anchor to a fantasy team, I would want to trade for him before his value is insurmountable. I'm looking for someone who has watched Dallas this year to provide me a little insight on if it is the play calling, the ling, Felix or a combo between the 3. Crongrats on your win and if you have the depth to go on to your next rb, than you've established a decent team.

 

[theprince]

Good post redBourne - but you completely forgot that Murray is "special" and "mature" - don't bother with logic in this thread.

Logic? I guess...but using games where he got 2 or 3 or 4 carries as proof of anything is pretty short sighted.Yes, the Rams sucks...but he was phenomenal in that game (despite the stumble you went on about).He is a rookie...it takes time for rookies. The kid showed talent in college and will be given a chance at least this one more week.When its over, if he does well, I expect the same excuses. Its just philly's D, who couldn't have run against them...and so on.

I apologize if the post felt as thought I was completely dismissing Murray. I was only indicating that it's impossible to get completely hype about him yet. Temper your expectations against a guy that's only performed for one game, and posted monster numbers against the worst defense in the league. It does take time for rookies and I expressed that in my post. If the guy didn't show talent in college then he wouldn't be here anyway. If he does do well against philly, than yes there will be those that say philly's rush defense has been terrible. However, for me, I'll start believing a little bit more. One, that means he showed good numbers against two team. A second, Philly has started to pull in the wide nine a bit to assist with the rush defense. So they're no longer a free rushing game.

Explain to me why he didn't gather more than just 3.5 yac in any other game.

I believe there is a post in this very thread that a 'Boys fan pointed out vs. the Patriots he was at 8-35, or something like that, then was given a couple carries late while the Cowboys still had the lead in an effort to milk more clock. Pats new what was coming and he got stuffed both times winding up at 10 for 32. It may have been a different thread, but I recall reading it on here someplace.No dog in this fight, as I don't care who thinks he/isn't all that. Just using that Pats game as an example to point out, you can't just look at a row of numbers and determine anything(good or bad. It's why you can't anoint him Barry f-ing Sanders after last week either). Game situation dictates a ton. Amount of opportunity dictates a ton. What'd he have coming into last weeks' game, 20 total career carries? 25? Plus a handful of catches? Can't remotely make an informed judgement off of that small of a sample size.

The pats info is exactly what i was looking for. Someone with insight on the other games that Murray has played. I realize this too and indicated so in my thread. That's why I also feel one game is a small sample size to judge a player and completely hyped over him too, regardless of the output. Of course, putting up record breaking numbers gathers more attention than 20 rushes for 133 yards. I just want people to temper their expectations.

Your logic suggests that 6 attempts for 21 yards and a 3.5 average will translate to 18 attempts for 63 yards and a 3.5 average. Murray's YPC average in 4 or 5 carry games doesn't mean anything.

It only means something because we have nothing else in the NFL to go on. My logic doesn't suggest that we multiply the averages. It only implies that with the opportunities that he has received, in a very limited role, was not very successful.

rmeoved my original post for readability

wow. a lot of time there. By an extension of your logic, I will assume Sproles and PT will each have 10+ averages today vs the lowly Rams, right?In an injury riddled NFL season, the guy put up monster numbers in week 7. Rushed for more yards in one game than some "name brand" backs have all year, like Chris Johnson. Who knows what he does from here on out and frankly who cares. The name of the game is to get production, and he provided it. At this point he's either on your team or not, no real use crystal balling. He'll either produce or he won't and if you don't have him why worry about it.If you watched Dallas at all this year you'll know that the run game has sucked. Might be Felix, might be the line, might be play calling, might be a combo of all. All I care about is that I started Murray last week and he got me a W. If he continues, good for me. If he falters, on to the next RB.

Not too much time, but I do like to try and post something other than "he's sweet because I think so". And not by my "logic" will Sproles and PT put up 10 ypc. My logic says they're likely to have productive days. Where does my logic suggest everyone has 10 ypc against STL?He did put up numbers in an injury riddled season and in one game provided great number, better than bigger names, such as Chris Johnson. I agree. But you're right, who knows what he does from here, BUT I disagree in that no one cares. I do. A lot of people do. Otherwise why would be on page 10 discussing this guy. I want someone to discuss with me why they think he's great or isn't. If I'm convinced that he's an anchor to a fantasy team, I would want to trade for him before his value is insurmountable. I'm looking for someone who has watched Dallas this year to provide me a little insight on if it is the play calling, the ling, Felix or a combo between the 3. Crongrats on your win and if you have the depth to go on to your next rb, than you've established a decent team.

Another excellent post. Good stuff in here on Murray.

 

[PhilLynott]

What do I see when I look at these numbers ?

I see the Rams doing a league worst at all three of

* Yards given up per game : 183

* Yards given up per run on average : 5.5

* Total yards given up on the season : 1103

* Longest run given up on the season : 91

How much of this damage was Demarco himself?

I understand that stats serve a purpose but Murray put up a top ten rushing game, period. I do not think that the Rams are the ALL-TIME worst defense. DeMarco took advantage of his talent and the opponent to gain 250+. It is unlikely that he will do it again, but that doesn't mean that he won't be a great free-agent pick up for a Chris Johnson based team.

 

[Bracie Smathers]

I drafted Murray in a rookie dynasty draft because I saw something special in him but couldn't put my finger on it till reviewing the tape of his break-out game.

I noticed a few things that make him dangerous in the open field.

- Great vision as soon as he reaches the second level

As soon as he got past the line of scrimmage he knew where defenders who had an angle on him were and didn't hesitate in taking a cut to gain separation from them.

- Uncanny ability to cut at full-speed.

His running style is unique, look at his feet as Lammey would say. When he's running full-speed he is not up on his tip-toes where the center of balance is unstable, he runs where he has more contact than trailing defenders who are coming at him from an angle. With more contact with the ground from his feet at full speed he has traction to make cuts that break the ankles of defenders. One person said he looked slow, smile. Illusion for sure. It is his running style that makes it appear as though he's slow because most automatically elevate and run on tip-toes at full-speed but he is running very fast.

The Rams are 0-6 and they are not good at defending the run but in the entire history of the NFL only eight other backs had run for the amount of yards that Murray ran in his first game where he got carries to do damage. Hype? I don't see how anyone could dismiss a top ten ALL-TIME NFL game from a rookie getting his first significant work even if he ran over a bad defense.

The Rams were not concerned with the Cowboy running game and were playing their safeties really deep and they got caught flat footed on that ninety one yard run. Funny that Green Bay only ran for 90 yards against the Rams the previous week. All year only Philly ran for over 200 yards against the Rams and that was only because Mike Vick had 14 carries for 97 yards. That was for those who like to play with stats to try and dismiss what the kid because its child's play to come back with any number of stats to counter that sort of weak stat argument.

Murray has special skills when he gets to the second level.

If Garrett is smart he will keep feeding the kid knowing it is only a matter of time befor he breaks a long one.

Its not hype if the kid produces. In the only game Demarco Murray got a chance to show his skills he displayed them in record shattering form.

every up and coming back does.

Hmmn interesting.You claim that EVERY up and coming back has special skills.

If that is true then how come EVERY up-and-coming back is not on this list?

NFL Single Game Rushing Yards Leaders

Player, yards

1. Adrian Peterson 296

Minnesota Vikings vs. San Diego Chargers, November 4, 2007

2. Jamal Lewis 295

Baltimore Ravens vs. Cleveland Browns, September 14, 2003

3. Jerome Harrison 286

Cleveland Browns vs. Kansas City Chiefs, December 20, 2009

4. Corey Dillon 278

Cincinnati Bengals vs. Denver Broncos, October 22, 2000

5. Walter Payton 275

Chicago Bears vs. Minnesota Vikings, November 20, 1977

6. O.J. Simpson 273

Buffalo Bills vs. Detroit Lions, November 25, 1976

7. Shaun Alexander 266

Seattle Seahawks vs. Oakland Raiders, November 11, 2001

8. Jamaal Charles 259

Kansas City Chiefs vs. Denver Broncos, January 3, 2010

9. DeMarco Murray 253

Dallas Cowboys vs. St. Louis Rams, October 23, 2011

 

[duaneok66]

I drafted Murray in a rookie dynasty draft because I saw something special in him but couldn't put my finger on it till reviewing the tape of his break-out game.

I noticed a few things that make him dangerous in the open field.

- Great vision as soon as he reaches the second level

As soon as he got past the line of scrimmage he knew where defenders who had an angle on him were and didn't hesitate in taking a cut to gain separation from them.

- Uncanny ability to cut at full-speed.

His running style is unique, look at his feet as Lammey would say. When he's running full-speed he is not up on his tip-toes where the center of balance is unstable, he runs where he has more contact than trailing defenders who are coming at him from an angle. With more contact with the ground from his feet at full speed he has traction to make cuts that break the ankles of defenders. One person said he looked slow, smile. Illusion for sure. It is his running style that makes it appear as though he's slow because most automatically elevate and run on tip-toes at full-speed but he is running very fast.

The Rams are 0-6 and they are not good at defending the run but in the entire history of the NFL only eight other backs had run for the amount of yards that Murray ran in his first game where he got carries to do damage. Hype? I don't see how anyone could dismiss a top ten ALL-TIME NFL game from a rookie getting his first significant work even if he ran over a bad defense.

The Rams were not concerned with the Cowboy running game and were playing their safeties really deep and they got caught flat footed on that ninety one yard run. Funny that Green Bay only ran for 90 yards against the Rams the previous week. All year only Philly ran for over 200 yards against the Rams and that was only because Mike Vick had 14 carries for 97 yards. That was for those who like to play with stats to try and dismiss what the kid because its child's play to come back with any number of stats to counter that sort of weak stat argument.

Murray has special skills when he gets to the second level.

If Garrett is smart he will keep feeding the kid knowing it is only a matter of time befor he breaks a long one.

Its not hype if the kid produces. In the only game Demarco Murray got a chance to show his skills he displayed them in record shattering form.

every up and coming back does.

Hmmn interesting.You claim that EVERY up and coming back has special skills.

If that is true then how come EVERY up-and-coming back is not on this list?

NFL Single Game Rushing Yards Leaders

Player, yards

1. Adrian Peterson 296

Minnesota Vikings vs. San Diego Chargers, November 4, 2007

2. Jamal Lewis 295

Baltimore Ravens vs. Cleveland Browns, September 14, 2003

3. Jerome Harrison 286

Cleveland Browns vs. Kansas City Chiefs, December 20, 2009

4. Corey Dillon 278

Cincinnati Bengals vs. Denver Broncos, October 22, 2000

5. Walter Payton 275

Chicago Bears vs. Minnesota Vikings, November 20, 1977

6. O.J. Simpson 273

Buffalo Bills vs. Detroit Lions, November 25, 1976

7. Shaun Alexander 266

Seattle Seahawks vs. Oakland Raiders, November 11, 2001

8. Jamaal Charles 259

Kansas City Chiefs vs. Denver Broncos, January 3, 2010

9. DeMarco Murray 253

Dallas Cowboys vs. St. Louis Rams, October 23, 2011

wow - I didn't know that Murray got 250+ last week - thanks for the enlarged font.

 

[ericttspikes]

Good post redBourne - but you completely forgot that Murray is "special" and "mature" - don't bother with logic in this thread.

Logic? I guess...but using games where he got 2 or 3 or 4 carries as proof of anything is pretty short sighted.Yes, the Rams sucks...but he was phenomenal in that game (despite the stumble you went on about).He is a rookie...it takes time for rookies. The kid showed talent in college and will be given a chance at least this one more week.When its over, if he does well, I expect the same excuses. Its just philly's D, who couldn't have run against them...and so on.

I apologize if the post felt as thought I was completely dismissing Murray. I was only indicating that it's impossible to get completely hype about him yet. Temper your expectations against a guy that's only performed for one game, and posted monster numbers against the worst defense in the league. It does take time for rookies and I expressed that in my post. If the guy didn't show talent in college then he wouldn't be here anyway. If he does do well against philly, than yes there will be those that say philly's rush defense has been terrible. However, for me, I'll start believing a little bit more. One, that means he showed good numbers against two team. A second, Philly has started to pull in the wide nine a bit to assist with the rush defense. So they're no longer a free rushing game.

Explain to me why he didn't gather more than just 3.5 yac in any other game.

I believe there is a post in this very thread that a 'Boys fan pointed out vs. the Patriots he was at 8-35, or something like that, then was given a couple carries late while the Cowboys still had the lead in an effort to milk more clock. Pats new what was coming and he got stuffed both times winding up at 10 for 32. It may have been a different thread, but I recall reading it on here someplace.No dog in this fight, as I don't care who thinks he/isn't all that. Just using that Pats game as an example to point out, you can't just look at a row of numbers and determine anything(good or bad. It's why you can't anoint him Barry f-ing Sanders after last week either). Game situation dictates a ton. Amount of opportunity dictates a ton. What'd he have coming into last weeks' game, 20 total career carries? 25? Plus a handful of catches? Can't remotely make an informed judgement off of that small of a sample size.

The pats info is exactly what i was looking for. Someone with insight on the other games that Murray has played. I realize this too and indicated so in my thread. That's why I also feel one game is a small sample size to judge a player and completely hyped over him too, regardless of the output. Of course, putting up record breaking numbers gathers more attention than 20 rushes for 133 yards. I just want people to temper their expectations.

Your logic suggests that 6 attempts for 21 yards and a 3.5 average will translate to 18 attempts for 63 yards and a 3.5 average. Murray's YPC average in 4 or 5 carry games doesn't mean anything.

It only means something because we have nothing else in the NFL to go on. My logic doesn't suggest that we multiply the averages. It only implies that with the opportunities that he has received, in a very limited role, was not very successful.

rmeoved my original post for readability

wow. a lot of time there. By an extension of your logic, I will assume Sproles and PT will each have 10+ averages today vs the lowly Rams, right?In an injury riddled NFL season, the guy put up monster numbers in week 7. Rushed for more yards in one game than some "name brand" backs have all year, like Chris Johnson. Who knows what he does from here on out and frankly who cares. The name of the game is to get production, and he provided it. At this point he's either on your team or not, no real use crystal balling. He'll either produce or he won't and if you don't have him why worry about it.If you watched Dallas at all this year you'll know that the run game has sucked. Might be Felix, might be the line, might be play calling, might be a combo of all. All I care about is that I started Murray last week and he got me a W. If he continues, good for me. If he falters, on to the next RB.

Not too much time, but I do like to try and post something other than "he's sweet because I think so". And not by my "logic" will Sproles and PT put up 10 ypc. My logic says they're likely to have productive days. Where does my logic suggest everyone has 10 ypc against STL?He did put up numbers in an injury riddled season and in one game provided great number, better than bigger names, such as Chris Johnson. I agree. But you're right, who knows what he does from here, BUT I disagree in that no one cares. I do. A lot of people do. Otherwise why would be on page 10 discussing this guy. I want someone to discuss with me why they think he's great or isn't. If I'm convinced that he's an anchor to a fantasy team, I would want to trade for him before his value is insurmountable. I'm looking for someone who has watched Dallas this year to provide me a little insight on if it is the play calling, the ling, Felix or a combo between the 3. Crongrats on your win and if you have the depth to go on to your next rb, than you've established a decent team.

Why does he need to be "great"? He looked good toting the rock last week and we get to see if he can put more on tape this weeek. I don't get why people are going out of their way to anoint him or tear him down after one game of meaningful carries. Believers have him rostered, haters don't. Dallas' running problems are probably a combo of poor o-line and Felix not playing well. Could be he hasn't been 100%, hard to know. I liked Murray in college and was interested to see how he'd do with a starter role. That will have to play itself out. For whatever reason, Dallas seems to want Felix to succeed and will probably give every chance to when/if healthy. Murray needs to prove that he can stay healthy too. The point is, there is a lot to prove for Murray, but the opportunity is there. Opportunity is all FF players really need to care about, from there watching what a player puts on tape answers all questions.

 

[dparker713]

Someone who goes out and in his first real start breaks the record for rushing yards for the cowboys, set by Emmitt Smith, while every other matchup has posted nothing more than an average of 3.5, tells me there while be a regression toward the mean.

Not a chance. 253 ypg is the low end of his future production.

 

[duaneok66]

Someone who goes out and in his first real start breaks the record for rushing yards for the cowboys, set by Emmitt Smith, while every other matchup has posted nothing more than an average of 3.5, tells me there while be a regression toward the mean.

Not a chance. 253 ypg is the low end of his future production.

agreed.

 

[Carolina Hustler]

Someone who goes out and in his first real start breaks the record for rushing yards for the cowboys, set by Emmitt Smith, while every other matchup has posted nothing more than an average of 3.5, tells me there while be a regression toward the mean.

Not a chance. 253 ypg is the low end of his future production.

agreed.

Yea, I agree too.. 253 ypg is going to be below his career average...You guys even suck at sarcasm..

 

[ponchsox]

Peterson couldn't break 90 rushing yards against the Rams.

 

[Kenny Powers]

Peterson couldn't break 90 rushing yards against the Rams.

No Saints RB averaged more than 3.3 YPC today either vs the Rams

 

[The Dude]

Peterson couldn't break 90 rushing yards against the Rams.

So you are stating Murray is better than Peterson? Riiiighhhttt....

 

[DeaLerZ]

No Saints RB averaged more than 3.3 YPC today either vs the Rams

Peterson couldn't break 90 rushing yards against the Rams.

So you are stating Murray is better than Peterson? Riiiighhhttt....

i seriously doubt that was the point he was trying to make.....

 

[redBourne]

Good post redBourne - but you completely forgot that Murray is "special" and "mature" - don't bother with logic in this thread.

Logic? I guess...but using games where he got 2 or 3 or 4 carries as proof of anything is pretty short sighted.Yes, the Rams sucks...but he was phenomenal in that game (despite the stumble you went on about).He is a rookie...it takes time for rookies. The kid showed talent in college and will be given a chance at least this one more week.When its over, if he does well, I expect the same excuses. Its just philly's D, who couldn't have run against them...and so on.

I apologize if the post felt as thought I was completely dismissing Murray. I was only indicating that it's impossible to get completely hype about him yet. Temper your expectations against a guy that's only performed for one game, and posted monster numbers against the worst defense in the league. It does take time for rookies and I expressed that in my post. If the guy didn't show talent in college then he wouldn't be here anyway. If he does do well against philly, than yes there will be those that say philly's rush defense has been terrible. However, for me, I'll start believing a little bit more. One, that means he showed good numbers against two team. A second, Philly has started to pull in the wide nine a bit to assist with the rush defense. So they're no longer a free rushing game.

Explain to me why he didn't gather more than just 3.5 yac in any other game.

I believe there is a post in this very thread that a 'Boys fan pointed out vs. the Patriots he was at 8-35, or something like that, then was given a couple carries late while the Cowboys still had the lead in an effort to milk more clock. Pats new what was coming and he got stuffed both times winding up at 10 for 32. It may have been a different thread, but I recall reading it on here someplace.No dog in this fight, as I don't care who thinks he/isn't all that. Just using that Pats game as an example to point out, you can't just look at a row of numbers and determine anything(good or bad. It's why you can't anoint him Barry f-ing Sanders after last week either). Game situation dictates a ton. Amount of opportunity dictates a ton. What'd he have coming into last weeks' game, 20 total career carries? 25? Plus a handful of catches? Can't remotely make an informed judgement off of that small of a sample size.

The pats info is exactly what i was looking for. Someone with insight on the other games that Murray has played. I realize this too and indicated so in my thread. That's why I also feel one game is a small sample size to judge a player and completely hyped over him too, regardless of the output. Of course, putting up record breaking numbers gathers more attention than 20 rushes for 133 yards. I just want people to temper their expectations.

Your logic suggests that 6 attempts for 21 yards and a 3.5 average will translate to 18 attempts for 63 yards and a 3.5 average. Murray's YPC average in 4 or 5 carry games doesn't mean anything.

It only means something because we have nothing else in the NFL to go on. My logic doesn't suggest that we multiply the averages. It only implies that with the opportunities that he has received, in a very limited role, was not very successful.

rmeoved my original post for readability

wow. a lot of time there. By an extension of your logic, I will assume Sproles and PT will each have 10+ averages today vs the lowly Rams, right?In an injury riddled NFL season, the guy put up monster numbers in week 7. Rushed for more yards in one game than some "name brand" backs have all year, like Chris Johnson. Who knows what he does from here on out and frankly who cares. The name of the game is to get production, and he provided it. At this point he's either on your team or not, no real use crystal balling. He'll either produce or he won't and if you don't have him why worry about it.If you watched Dallas at all this year you'll know that the run game has sucked. Might be Felix, might be the line, might be play calling, might be a combo of all. All I care about is that I started Murray last week and he got me a W. If he continues, good for me. If he falters, on to the next RB.

Not too much time, but I do like to try and post something other than "he's sweet because I think so". And not by my "logic" will Sproles and PT put up 10 ypc. My logic says they're likely to have productive days. Where does my logic suggest everyone has 10 ypc against STL?He did put up numbers in an injury riddled season and in one game provided great number, better than bigger names, such as Chris Johnson. I agree. But you're right, who knows what he does from here, BUT I disagree in that no one cares. I do. A lot of people do. Otherwise why would be on page 10 discussing this guy. I want someone to discuss with me why they think he's great or isn't. If I'm convinced that he's an anchor to a fantasy team, I would want to trade for him before his value is insurmountable. I'm looking for someone who has watched Dallas this year to provide me a little insight on if it is the play calling, the ling, Felix or a combo between the 3. Crongrats on your win and if you have the depth to go on to your next rb, than you've established a decent team.

Why does he need to be "great"? He looked good toting the rock last week and we get to see if he can put more on tape this weeek. I don't get why people are going out of their way to anoint him or tear him down after one game of meaningful carries. Believers have him rostered, haters don't. Dallas' running problems are probably a combo of poor o-line and Felix not playing well. Could be he hasn't been 100%, hard to know. I liked Murray in college and was interested to see how he'd do with a starter role. That will have to play itself out. For whatever reason, Dallas seems to want Felix to succeed and will probably give every chance to when/if healthy. Murray needs to prove that he can stay healthy too. The point is, there is a lot to prove for Murray, but the opportunity is there. Opportunity is all FF players really need to care about, from there watching what a player puts on tape answers all questions.

I went out of my way to have a meaningful conversation on why people shouldn't write out a check for his greatness, and to generate some meaningful conversation as to why he may continue to produce at a high level. That was my initial goal. I didn't go out of my way to be a lover or a hater. It's not just black or white when you analyze a players potential success. I wanted some insight to previous games, what people were willing to address on what they've seen the Cowboy's do up until now. Perhaps what they've seen from the very few runs that Murray has had a level of play that ESPN hasn't touched on BECAUSE he's had such few totes.What I do agree with you on is that Murray has a lot to prove, and yes the opportunity is there. He's made a name for himself in one week that has people talking. I'm still hoping for discussions on what people have seen from other runners during the previous time span, during the same game, etc. Were the Rams playing a wide 9 last week? I don't know. Are you able to offer any insight besides your own speculation? I want to make a guess on his value before he puts it on tape.

 

[redBourne]

Someone who goes out and in his first real start breaks the record for rushing yards for the cowboys, set by Emmitt Smith, while every other matchup has posted nothing more than an average of 3.5, tells me there while be a regression toward the mean.

Not a chance. 253 ypg is the low end of his future production.

agreed.

Yea, I agree too.. 253 ypg is going to be below his career average...You guys even suck at sarcasm..

I guess there's more sarcasm then discussion of potential for our Murray thread.

 

[bill bates hits hard]

Why is there pointless debate? Game is in 30 min. Once the game is over , we'll have our answer. No idea why everyone likes to argue.

 

[Football Jones]

I'm really high on Murray. Liked him a lot coming out, but either way, this one game won't tell the story.

FF is a fluid hobby, but it's not THAT fluid. What he does tonight will be a small data point in the end. Let's not get ahead of ourselves. His future won't be decided tonight one way or the other.

 

[ponchsox]

As curious as I am to see how Murray performs tonight, it won't matter when Felix comes back and throws a monkey wrench in the backfield.

 

[bill bates hits hard]

As curious as I am to see how Murray performs tonight, it won't matter when Felix comes back and throws a monkey wrench in the backfield.

I agree Felix may be as productive as a monkey wrench would be laying on the field.

 

[redBourne]

I drafted Murray in a rookie dynasty draft because I saw something special in him but couldn't put my finger on it till reviewing the tape of his break-out game.

I noticed a few things that make him dangerous in the open field.

- Great vision as soon as he reaches the second level

As soon as he got past the line of scrimmage he knew where defenders who had an angle on him were and didn't hesitate in taking a cut to gain separation from them.

- Uncanny ability to cut at full-speed.

His running style is unique, look at his feet as Lammey would say. When he's running full-speed he is not up on his tip-toes where the center of balance is unstable, he runs where he has more contact than trailing defenders who are coming at him from an angle. With more contact with the ground from his feet at full speed he has traction to make cuts that break the ankles of defenders. One person said he looked slow, smile. Illusion for sure. It is his running style that makes it appear as though he's slow because most automatically elevate and run on tip-toes at full-speed but he is running very fast.

The Rams are 0-6 and they are not good at defending the run but in the entire history of the NFL only eight other backs had run for the amount of yards that Murray ran in his first game where he got carries to do damage. Hype? I don't see how anyone could dismiss a top ten ALL-TIME NFL game from a rookie getting his first significant work even if he ran over a bad defense.

The Rams were not concerned with the Cowboy running game and were playing their safeties really deep and they got caught flat footed on that ninety one yard run. Funny that Green Bay only ran for 90 yards against the Rams the previous week. All year only Philly ran for over 200 yards against the Rams and that was only because Mike Vick had 14 carries for 97 yards. That was for those who like to play with stats to try and dismiss what the kid because its child's play to come back with any number of stats to counter that sort of weak stat argument.

Murray has special skills when he gets to the second level.

If Garrett is smart he will keep feeding the kid knowing it is only a matter of time befor he breaks a long one.

Its not hype if the kid produces. In the only game Demarco Murray got a chance to show his skills he displayed them in record shattering form.

every up and coming back does.

Hmmn interesting.You claim that EVERY up and coming back has special skills.

If that is true then how come EVERY up-and-coming back is not on this list?

NFL Single Game Rushing Yards Leaders

Player, yards

1. Adrian Peterson 296

Minnesota Vikings vs. San Diego Chargers, November 4, 2007

2. Jamal Lewis 295

Baltimore Ravens vs. Cleveland Browns, September 14, 2003

3. Jerome Harrison 286

Cleveland Browns vs. Kansas City Chiefs, December 20, 2009

4. Corey Dillon 278

Cincinnati Bengals vs. Denver Broncos, October 22, 2000

5. Walter Payton 275

Chicago Bears vs. Minnesota Vikings, November 20, 1977

6. O.J. Simpson 273

Buffalo Bills vs. Detroit Lions, November 25, 1976

7. Shaun Alexander 266

Seattle Seahawks vs. Oakland Raiders, November 11, 2001

8. Jamaal Charles 259

Kansas City Chiefs vs. Denver Broncos, January 3, 2010

9. DeMarco Murray 253

Dallas Cowboys vs. St. Louis Rams, October 23, 2011

Of the names you listed, almost every single one of the came after the players were in the league a while and every single one of them played a poor rushing defense except for two players. 1. Adrian Peterson 296

Minnesota Vikings vs. San Diego Chargers, November 4, 2007

Adrian Peterson played a monster game his first season and was against a good Charges defense that year, 15th overall in rushing defense.

7. Shaun Alexander 266

Seattle Seahawks vs. Oakland Raiders, November 11, 2001

Shaun Alexander started just one game as a rookie, but his second season is when he posted his great game against a poor Oakland rush defense.

What does this tell us? That Murray just may be an exceptional player. I didn't dive into each player as much as anyone could, because it's a hole that may never end. Were the defenses poor because they played against good runners? Were there injuries AFTER the players posted good games? Did coaching changes happen? Did the players have injuries at the beginning of the season? We'll just have to elude those questions for the sake of our sanity.

It's hard for me to bite the hook on Murray because it was just one game, but your stats to me are eye opening. Today's league also has a more 'air it out' mentality. What type of offense do the Cowboy's run? They seem to be able to put up numbers against poor run defenses that are seemingly better are pass support. Perhaps it's a 1 given the other. People run when they can protect the clock and passing becomes second fiddle, maybe?

Passing numbers To Consider

[*]Week 1 : NYJ : 197 yds a game : 7th overall

[*]Week 2 : SFO : 221 yds a game : 21st overall

[*]Week 3 : WAS : 217 yds a game : 11th overall

[*]Week 4 : DET : 205 yds a game : 9th overall

[*]Week 6 : NWE : 332 yds a game : 32nd overall

[*]Week 7 : STL : 227 yds a game : 13th overall

Week 1 - Cowboys had a poor rushing day also considering the passing def is tough.

Week 2 - Another poor rushing day. SFO defense may just be sound throughout.

Week 3 - 125 yards rushing thanks to Felix Jones.

Week 4 - 115 split between Felix and Choice.

Week 6 - bad rushing day for everyone. Murray has 10 for 32.

Week 7 - STL strong passing defense may be everyone just rushing at the end of every game to burn out the clock...and Murray exploding on them like Zeus.

Week 7 - lol we all know what happened here.

I think we can throw out the pats passing yards stat. Most of those were catchup games and hides how good or bad their passing and rushing defense really are.

 

[Kenny Powers]

4 for 52 so far...not too shabby

 

[DeaLerZ]

4 for 52 so far...not too shabby

exactly... forget all of this senseless arguing... let the numbers speak for themselves... and its 6 for 76yds as of now

 

[bill bates hits hard]

Still 10 yards a carry. He's for real.

 

[Dought Man]

He is already more decisive than Felix back there. Felix will make a great change of pace back..

 

[nysportsfan]

They aren't losing because of the run game. He looks decisive, powerful, and can get to the second level. Very impressive.

 

[Walton Goggins]

Ditto. He looks great on his runs, I'm impressed.

 

[mozzy84]

Looking good, game is not going his way though.

 

[nysportsfan]

Looking good, game is not going his way though.

Yep. He would be in line for a big game but they will need to throw to keep up. Might get a few catches in PPR though.

 

[solorca]

I still want to see these great receiving skills. Very few options, but he has stone hands everytime he gets a chance.

 

[flapgreen]

Romo is killing this guy.

 

[Kenny Powers]

I still want to see these great receiving skills. Very few options, but he has stone hands everytime he gets a chance.

The catch he just made a few minutes ago was nice (even though he lost a couple yards). I think most RBs wouldve dropped it but he made a nice snag

 

[need2know]

Cannot believe he did not get one carry inside the ten on that last drive. He looks great moving forward though

 

[solorca]

After seeing him the past two weeks (and watching every Felix carry), I just can't see how he gives up the starting job when Felix comes back.

 

[Tony Reali]

Time to cut. dat. cord. on Felix.

 

[Kenny Powers]

Cannot believe he did not get one carry inside the ten on that last drive. He looks great moving forward though

Agreed. They had first and goal from what, like the 4? And theyre in shotgun all 4 times. They were losing so bad the clock shouldnt have even mattered as far as running vs. an incomplete pass. Wouldnt this be the perfect time to see him in a GL situation?!

 

[Carolina Hustler]

Romo is killing this guy.

Tony 'oh-no' Romo ... The guy is just horrible

 

[Mello]

Murray should feast on the Seahawks next week.

 

[Carolina Hustler]

Murray should feast on the Seahawks next week.

Actually, Seatle isn't a bad run-dIf Murray keeps the large portion of touches going into the playoffs, he's going to be a gem..week 14 vs Giants 25th run Dweek 15 at Buccaneers 22nd run Dweek 16 vs Eagles 24th run Dweek 17 at Giants 25th run D

 

[ponchsox]

Nice game by Murray considering how bad Romo played and the Cowboys trailed the entire game.

 

[finito]

I've always thought Felix Jones was going to be a special RB, but it appears I'm wrong. Murray is already a better RB.

 

[heckmanm]

After seeing him the past two weeks (and watching every Felix carry), I just can't see how he gives up the starting job when Felix comes back.

Unfortunately for Murray, he didn't go to Arkansas.

 

[renesauz]

Still 10 yards a carry. He's for real.

Very VERY misleading stat. He broke off a few 15 yarders on 3rd and 20 or similiar situations where Philly was clearly in a pass defense.Impressive kid I was lucky enough to draft in a couple dynasties....but let's be a little more reasonable with the hype That said...count me in the group that thinks he should displace Jones sooner rather than later.

 

[solorca]

I still want to see these great receiving skills. Very few options, but he has stone hands everytime he gets a chance.

The catch he just made a few minutes ago was nice (even though he lost a couple yards). I think most RBs wouldve dropped it but he made a nice snag

It was a nice catch, even though it was a broken play. It worries me (as someone who owns him in a PPR) that he is completely ignored in the passing game, even when they are behind and have to play catchup. Tanner was in the game very little, but received a catch almost as soon as he entered the game late. I did notice that he was working hard as a blocker for Romo in the game, and saved him from a sack at least a few times.I'll be starting him over Daniel Thomas in my flex, but I will probably have him on the bench if Jahvid Best comes back for me (McCoy and Fred Jackson are my starters), until he starts getting more involved in the pass game

 

[Football Jones]

Murray is a very good receiver. They'll get him involved in the passing game. Remember, he missed virtually all of training camp. Murray is probably just now getting his legs under him (he hasn't played a whole lot until the last 2 weeks).

Murray has the look of a very good RB. This is really just the tip of the iceberg. Not sure if he's going to be held back by Dallas' offense, but if I were them, I'd lean less on Romo & more on Murray. Go heavy on the run, at least for awhile & let their passing game evolve out of the running game.

Murray could excel in that system. He's a strong, fast, tough runner. Just not sure it's going to happen this year. We'll see. We also need to see what they do when Felix gets back. Big-time talent, but we'll have to see what kind of situation Murray is in. Hard to say right now. It should be good, but I'm not sure. Great dynasty RB, though.