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Sonny Lubick Blowup Doll
Footballguy
:rotflmao: McGahee just played against the second team in his first pre-season game. However, never mind the fact he's yet to play a game in the regular season, and don't mind that reconstructed knee either, which is yet to be tested. Tonight alone, makes him a player, "NO DOUBT", who can "scare NFL D's". :rotflmao: Also worthy of note, is Pony Boy's first admission that Griffin might not be so bad. This is nothing more than an attempt at trying to backtrack off all the trash he's been talking about him.Too funny.
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ConstruxBoy
Kate's Daddy
If you are drafting in a Dynasty league, I think you take McGahee in the mid 5th round. I still think he will be a great one, although he won't surpass Henry's stats this year. Still looking a bit tentaive, but kept the legs moving and wasn't afraid of contact.
Don't Noonan
Footballguy
I watched the first half and came away with the following thoughts:Q. Griffin looks quick and reminds me of a Charlie Garner type back. I see him getting a lot of yards but not many TD'sPlummer looked terrible as usualChamberlain could be a sleeper tight end this year Henry will be the main back this year in Buffalo but Mcgahee looks like he will be a good one eventually.Will Moulds produce with this being an even year?
ILUVBEER99
Footballguy
I payed attention to tons of the dynasty drafts this offseason, and McGahee won't be there in the 5th round in a dynasty league. He was going in the 3rd, 4th at the latest.
ConstruxBoy
Kate's Daddy
Damn, I hate when the hype gets too crazy for a player I really like.
NYG Endzone
Footballguy
Damn, I hate when the hype gets too crazy for a player I really like.
idoublebogie
Footballguy
I heard not everyone even has the NFL network.How do these people even watch pre-season games. I couldnt imagine life without it.
Call it what you want. I'll man up when I'm wrong, though I'll still hold some reservation here, as I stated previously. If you play FF aggresively, you're wrong as often as you are right. No way to be otherwise with the human element involved.Does it bother you that someone can sack up? Maybe you see it as a sign of weakness, or maybe it's a capability you don't have?Also worthy of note, is Pony Boy's first admission that Griffin might not be so bad. This is nothing more than an attempt at trying to backtrack off all the trash he's been talking about him.Too funny.
DudeWheresMyRB
Footballguy
McGahee looked real nifty in traffic in the 2H... quick stop, change of direction, always gliding forward.Don't know how BUF is going to maximize its value on the inevitable Henry trade without playing him, but I also don't see how you can keep McGahee off the field.
switz
Footballguy
Hearst ended up the best of the RBs, 5.1 YPC, but that _was_ against scrubs. Still, he's been working his way back into action after his knee surgery, it seems to me that the coaches threw him in their late to get him some game action. He'll probably see first team action next game. I se Hearst as the only threat to Griffin right now.
CravenM
Footballguy
Solid decision making and pretty good arm with different types of passes. Scrambled real well and the coaches even called a draw as his first play. Comparisons to Jim Kelly are well founded. Did something real stupid though: scrambled and charged a LB head-first, mano-a-mano
I'm sure the coaches were hiding their eyes 
HOWEVER,Did anyone else think that McGahee looked not-too-quick? He couldn't turn the corner on a LB on one play that I noticed. He looked pretty good in traffic with strong legs and upper body - first hits didn't take him down.
Sonny Lubick Blowup Doll
Footballguy
The thing is, if you had more to go on with Griffin, then fine. But, you don't. He looked good in limited action last year. And make no mistake, he was stellar in college. However, you continued to blast him.So, to incessantly attack his ability, as you have been, is not only premature...but, quite frankly, it wreaks of bias.Conversly, you have just annointed McGahee as a real player. :rotflmao: This, after only part of a preseason game, against the second team...and all on a reconstructed knee. You say he's a player, and that he will scare D's...ALREADY.Call it what you want. I'll man up when I'm wrong, though I'll still hold some reservation here, as I stated previously. If you play FF aggresively, you're wrong as often as you are right. No way to be otherwise with the human element involved.Does it bother you that someone can sack up? Maybe you see it as a sign of weakness, or maybe it's a capability you don't have?Also worthy of note, is Pony Boy's first admission that Griffin might not be so bad. This is nothing more than an attempt at trying to backtrack off all the trash he's been talking about him.Too funny.
There is no way you could have seen enough to be sure. However, you've been more than certain on Griffin, who, ironically enough, you now seem to be changing course on. 
I see nothing but hypocrisy and bias.
Wyld Stallyns
Footballguy
Shhhh... Let the Henry bashing commence. I'm hoping he can drop to late 2nd/early 3rd by the time my draft comes around.1st team defense vs. 2nd team defense - Henry had no holes against the first team Denver D.
Bojang0301
Omar4Heisman
What's wrong with not wanting to admit your wrong?The thing is, if you had more to go on with Griffin, then fine. But, you don't. He looked good in limited action last year. And make no mistake, he was stellar in college. However, you continued to blast him.So, to incessantly attack his ability, as you have been, is not only premature...but, quite frankly, it wreaks of bias.Conversly, you have just annointed McGahee as a real player. :rotflmao: This, after only part of a preseason game, against the second team...and all on a reconstructed knee. You say he's a player, and that he will scare D's...ALREADY.Call it what you want. I'll man up when I'm wrong, though I'll still hold some reservation here, as I stated previously. If you play FF aggresively, you're wrong as often as you are right. No way to be otherwise with the human element involved.Does it bother you that someone can sack up? Maybe you see it as a sign of weakness, or maybe it's a capability you don't have?Also worthy of note, is Pony Boy's first admission that Griffin might not be so bad. This is nothing more than an attempt at trying to backtrack off all the trash he's been talking about him.Too funny.
(BTW Griffin still has proved nothing and I am a Griffin backer) Anyway,I think once an RB gets comfortable in that Denver offense he can do great things. The line has evolved since Anderson played and they need a quicker slashing back and Anderson has already probably lost a half step... Hearst is probably too old and Bell is injured. Griffin has great opportunity right now and is taking advantage of it IMO. BTW this Buffalo D isn't a cupcake D. They were one of the best last year and I doubt Labeau's and Winfield's departure have left a huge whole in it. Q is looking real sharp.
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I assume you meant 'reeks' of bias. You can wreak havoc, but bias reeks.As far as Griffin, I have predominantly admitted that Griffin could succeed, but given his qualifiers that he wasn't guaranteed of success, in fact it would be tougher for him to come by. The people for whom I have put forth arguments about Griffin have annoited him anything from the next locked in 16 game featured RB for DEN to the next coming of Barry Sanders.Of course, you don't want to read those parts, because you relentlessly pimp Griffin and you consider anyone detracting from his ability to being a personal attack on you because someone dared to disagree with you.I'll tell you what, pal. Enjoy your props now while you can, but now that you have set this tone, you had better hope that Griffin can hold onto that job all season. Preseason is only 1 week old & we haven't seem Bell run in game situations. There's still a lot of race to be run this season.
IvanKaramazov
Footballguy
I don't recall the QB draw being a staple of Kelly's game.
Losman last night reminded me most of Rob Johnson. Big arm, great mobility, took a really ugly sack (probably not his fault), stayed in bounds to get nailed by a LB. But that's not the comparison Bills fans want to hear, so let's just say instead that he reminded me of a tall Doug Flutie with an NFL-caliber arm. 
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IvanKaramazov
Footballguy
A whole lotta nothin'.
ILUVBEER99
Footballguy
He already is dropping there.Just make sure to cuff him to McGahee and you'll have a very nice RB #2.
Sonny Lubick Blowup Doll
Footballguy
You're full of crap. Don't put words in my mouth.In fact, why don't you show everybody proof. Go ahead...start searching. I have not been relentlessly pimping Griffin, by any means. I haven't said much of anything; I mostly abstained. I just got tired of seeing you go on and on, ripping the guy.
I noticed in your last few replies, you have decided against addresssing your earlier absurd McGahee comments of scaring D's, and changing their game plans. :rotflmao: Wise of you.
I love that you've seen enough of McGahee (vs. the 2nd team) to know :rotflmao: , but it's way too early for Griffin. That is the funniest part.
And don't turn this into a back comparison, Skippy. I'm addressing your comments about each, not the fact that we haven't seen enough to know.
Tatonka
Footballguy
winifield was a GREAT tackler.. but he has 6 friggen picks in 5 years.. he has hands of stone.look at troy's numbers.. he has always been a solid tackler.. but he can actually catch the ball.. he makes plays.. wini doesnt.wini obvioulsy has some long term value that troy doesnt.. but troy will be a free safety soon and the bills have too good young corners in mcgee and thomas that will take over when troy cant cut it.losing wini was not a loss. sorry.. he wasnt worth the ungodly amount of cash that the vikes paid him for his 6 career ints.
S.K.A.
Trout Bum
SLBD,Don't let Pony Boy get to you. I think most people reading his posts don't put a lot into his stock anyway. He was/is wrong about Q, no need to try and brow beat him over it. These kind of predictions/posters come and go every year. Do you remember Redskinzzzzz (or something like that) and the Fun' n Gun thread last year? Similar situation IMO.
Gr00vus
Footballguy
"He was/is wrong about Q, no need to try and brow beat him over it. "Aren't you being a bit premature with this judgement? Or did Q just put up a couple of 100 yard regular season games here in 2004 and I missed it? It's preseason folks - you know exactly 2 things off of the approximately 15 carries Q has had so far this preseason - jack and s__t. Let's at least be within sniffing distance of opening day before we declare who's right and wrong here.
Franknbeans
Footballguy
You can't imagine last year?
Marc Levin
Hangs out with Oscar Zeta Acosta
This thread is slowly becoming a danger zone.Tread lightly.
ILUVBEER99
Footballguy
Pics of naked woman would cheer everyone up.
The Bills f'in oVVn3d the Broncos last night! 
Sonny Lubick Blowup Doll
Footballguy
The Bills f'in oVVn3d the Broncos last night!
Understood.I just never ceases to amaze me, and it happens often, that people state that they have no interest in a subject, yet they feel the need to police others in the forum. I thought that's what staff members here were for.Some of us like to get into some passionate arguments in the preseason, presenting our view of the issues, hopefully backing them up with some facts, but in any case, putting forth some FF opinions. Then you get the give & take and hopefully some more facts fall out of the argument that provide a little more insight. As the preseason goes on, you learn more & more & opinions can be altered - and I don't see how that is wrong. Besides, sometimes a good old fashioned pissing contest can be great fun when the offseason/preseason is dragging on and on & we get the same topic posted 3-4 times a day. there's only so much ground we can cover until we have covered the large predominance of it.For instance the DEN RB issue. No one knows how it is going to turn out until game 1 & most likely well beyond. But we go toe-to-toe, getting in each others faces, and mostly because the banter & trash talking is fun. Yet you get a few people that just feel the need to get involved while professing the whole time that they could care less - with the strict intention of moderating others here.Hey, if it's way wrong, the staff will step in & call a halt to it. We don't need the behavior Nazis stepping in to tell us how, when, or which way to present our cases. If you don't like what's being stated in a thread (or threads about similar subjects), just freakin' ignore it.If I'm out of bounds, that's cool - a staff member can send the message like the one above & it's done. But get a grip - FF without some trash talking is like the NFL without TO & his idiocy, amongst others. You may hate it, but it still adds spice & passion to the game. You don't want to get into it? Don't read it - it seems pretty simple.
Yeah they did. I've got some serious concerns about the Donkey O this year. Plummer is going to have to prove he can carry a team for a significant amount - and I have my doubts about his ability to do so. It's adding up to another 9-7 season & an early spanking in the playoffs, if they make it there at all.The Bills f'in oVVn3d the Broncos last night!
