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mojorizin
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Hopefully we can stop talking about that stiff Lelie. Watts, to this point in the preseason is everything that chump is NOT.
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GRIDIRON ASSASSIN
Footballguy
Lelie is SOOOO overrated.Is he any better than former Bronco first round bust: Marcus Nash ?!?!?
jaredsmarks
Footballguy
Lelie showed absolutely no progress from year one to year two. That speaks volumes for what Lelie's career is going to look like.Watts, on the other hand, looks like he is ready to be a #2 WR right away. Watts will be the #2 by mid-season and is probably the reason they did not ultimately sign Tim Brown.As for McGahee, he looks/runs bigger than what I remember. Also, he runs more north/south than I remember. I am sure a lot of it has to do with him not wanting to do much on the knee yet.
RAIDERNATION.
Footballguy
TD WILLIS, from the 1.
RAIDERNATION.
Footballguy
Yep, Henry will definitely have a new address next year providing that Willis stays healthy. One place he will NOT be is Miami. Buffalo would never be that stupid.
Tony the Tiger
Footballguy
was the McGahee TD against the first team defense or 2nd team defense?
RAIDERNATION.
Footballguy
Great point by Solomon Wilcots right there. Mullarkey is Bledsoe's first head coach who has an offensive background. (Parcells/Carroll/Belichick/Williams... I don't think I missed anyone.) I never thought of that. Maybe there's hope for him this year after all.
Football Jones
Footballguy
jaredsmarks
Footballguy
The Watts call (top 15 WR) is not that big of a deal. Considering that Rod Smith will be 35 years old and possibly retired, I would not be suprised to see it.Regardless, I will keep this post saved in my mental files for a huge bump in 2005.
DudeWheresMyRB
Footballguy
Being the best fantasy football magazine is really not that much to brag about...
doggystyle
Footballguy
W. McGahee 8 for 24 and 1 td
T. Henry 6 for 6
McGahee owners should be getting excited!
Henry owners should trade for McGahee now, before his stock goes up more than Henry.
Marc Levin
Hangs out with Oscar Zeta Acosta
Watts has a chance to replace Lelie NEXT WEEK.McG looked pretty good, and it is apparent to me he will be the feature back in Buffalo next year. But, he ran against the second string D. There us stuff there it get excited about, for sure. The next two preseason games will tell more towards how much he'll eat into Henry this year.Hearst came in to replace Q, I don't recall seeing Anderson in at all, but NFL.com reports one carry. I'd say it is clear that Anderson is not being taken seriously for a starting role, but he is being given more work than last year. Droughs is handling the fullback role solo very well - catches and blocks better than Anderson did last year.Hearst had one nice run where he squirted through what appeared to be no hole, and two runs where he looked like a 33 year old back - all those runs were versus the Bills' 2nd string D. In all, my impression is that Quentin now has a stranglehold on the starting job - the RB is asked to run off tackle in this offense - one cut either inside or out - and Griffin's cuts are cleaner, crisper, and he has more burst to the outside to make defenders miss. He averaged nearly 5/carry versus the Bills' first string, which is pretty darned good.
RedRaiders
Mr. +EV
1st team defense vs. 2nd team defense - Henry had no holes against the first team Denver D.
Marc Levin
Hangs out with Oscar Zeta Acosta
That's a virtual impossibility for McGahee backers - the hype machine will be in full force this evening and tomorrow.- see how many "21" Jerseys were in the crowd versus "20"?- hear how loud the crowd was when McG came in?That wil be a year long battle from the Buffalo media and fans that they want more McG.
Football Jones
Footballguy
There's that burst. Willis is literally looking better on every carry. He's getting more & more confident. 
Diablo
Footballguy
The question is why?DJ Williams(another rookie) put McGahee on his back once and then even falling sideways, kept him out of the endzone.
Henry is still going to be the man in Buffalo this year, even though the press and media want McGahee.
McGahee is still being too cautious with the leg in his running to get too excited about IMO.
RAIDERNATION.
Footballguy
I have to wonder if we're watching the same game. I don't see anywhere near the burst he had at UM. I see a guy with excellent vision, but he's running "cautiously" in my estimation. That's all to be expected, however. It is his first full organized game since the injury.There's that burst. Willis is literally looking better on every carry. He's getting more & more confident.
ILUVBEER99
Footballguy
W. McGahee 13 carries 58 yards 1 TDLongest run - 16 yards3 YPC...yipee!!!
That's over 4 a carry.
Football Jones
Footballguy
Forget the Henry versus Willis thing. McGahee owners just have to be thrilled with what they see. Everybody knows what Henry can do. It'll be interesting to see how this all plays out.
Bojang0301
Omar4Heisman
LOL for the Willis is god posters. These are the same guys that will take Ron Dayne in round 5 if you ask me. It's pathetic. I enjoy preseason and seeing players and I will even raise rankings for some (like Q is creeping up my board) but you guys are pimping McGahee because Henry didn't do well (while he is a proven commodity). I don't see how else you are pimping McGahee 8 carries for 24 yards against second team D is not good.Edit: I stand corrected on the stats. Yes there is excitement for McGahee. I still don't think Henry owners should sweat it. At least not right away. If McGahee takes over I think it will have to be by injury because I don't think they will give him the full load that fast. They did give him a good load tonight and tested that knee.
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Football Jones
Footballguy
Yes, I'm watching the same game. The particular run I'm talking about he did have very good burst. The announcers mentioned his "acceleration" on the same play. It would be better if we all forgot about Henry vs. McGahee & just evaluated how each one looks (granted, Henry had very few chances).I have to wonder if we're watching the same game. I don't see anywhere near the burst he had at UM. I see a guy with excellent vision, but he's running "cautiously" in my estimation. That's all to be expected, however. It is his first full organized game since the injury.There's that burst. Willis is literally looking better on every carry. He's getting more & more confident.
Sonny Lubick Blowup Doll
Footballguy
Bojang0301
Omar4Heisman
Yes, I'm watching the same game. The particular run I'm talking about he did have very good burst. The announcers mentioned his "acceleration" on the same play. It would be better if we all forgot about Henry vs. McGahee & just evaluated how each one looks (granted, Henry had very few chances).I have to wonder if we're watching the same game. I don't see anywhere near the burst he had at UM. I see a guy with excellent vision, but he's running "cautiously" in my estimation. That's all to be expected, however. It is his first full organized game since the injury.There's that burst. Willis is literally looking better on every carry. He's getting more & more confident.
That is what preseason is all about judging how players look.
Football Jones
Footballguy
BTW, I don't see anyone really dissing Henry. Any educated fan knows the score. Henry is a very good RB & Willis looks good. It's up to Buffalo how this thing will play out. Us FFers aren't going to change anything, LOL. People need to take their emotions out of it & just evaluate what happens.
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RAIDERNATION.
Footballguy
I don't believe I even mentioned Henry.Yes, I'm watching the same game. The particular run I'm talking about he did have very good burst. The announcers mentioned his "acceleration" on the same play. It would be better if we all forgot about Henry vs. McGahee & just evaluated how each one looks (granted, Henry had very few chances).I have to wonder if we're watching the same game. I don't see anywhere near the burst he had at UM. I see a guy with excellent vision, but he's running "cautiously" in my estimation. That's all to be expected, however. It is his first full organized game since the injury.There's that burst. Willis is literally looking better on every carry. He's getting more & more confident.
I really liked the way Griffin ran tonight. He's starting to sell me that he can handle the starting RB job. He looked a whole lot better running tonight than last week, IMO. Showed a little more patience, had good vision & decision making. I'm still not ready to annoint him DEN's best RB, only because we haven't seen Bell in live bullets yet, and there is still the size issue. He doesn't get that 3 yard lean & move the pile when the plays stacks up, and when he is stuck behind the line he needs to learn to turn upfield ASAP & cut his losses (he's not Barry Sanders 
) But if Griffin progresses throughout the preseason like he did from last week to this week, I think DEN will have a decent RB in the backfield for them.
) But if Griffin progresses throughout the preseason like he did from last week to this week, I think DEN will have a decent RB in the backfield for them.Macdaddy_2004
Footballguy
I have to admit Q is starting to impress me and I was one of those guys that believed he was too small for the jobHe yet still has not shown us that he can hold up over a whole gameRUSHING ATT YDS TD LG Q. Griffin 9 44 0 12 G. Hearst 8 38 0 9 M. Anderson 1 3 0 3 Game stats as of 14:21 left in the 4th
doggystyle
Footballguy
W. McGahee 13 for 58 and 1 td 4.4 yards per carry!
T. Henry 6 for 6
McGahee owners should be getting excited!
Henry owners should trade for McGahee now, before his stock goes up more than Henry.
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I may be getting too excited, all I'm saying in this post is the Henry owners should be aware of McGahee.
If I drafted Henry #2 pick in a draft and would be sure to get McGahee in rounds 6, 7 or 8.
If you invest on Henry you should get some insurance with McGahee.
I feel sorry for those who took Henry and forgot to get McGahee and instead took a #3 WR.
LATER
T. Henry 6 for 6
McGahee owners should be getting excited!
Henry owners should trade for McGahee now, before his stock goes up more than Henry.
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I may be getting too excited, all I'm saying in this post is the Henry owners should be aware of McGahee.
If I drafted Henry #2 pick in a draft and would be sure to get McGahee in rounds 6, 7 or 8.
If you invest on Henry you should get some insurance with McGahee.
I feel sorry for those who took Henry and forgot to get McGahee and instead took a #3 WR.
LATER
Football Jones
Footballguy
I'm not talking about you. There's a lot of people that get into the war of the RBs thing, though. Some people are against one or the other & it envolves into something it shouldn't. I see it a lot with Griffin & the other Denver RBs &, of course, with Henry/McGahee.Like I said, I believe it's better to stay cool & evaluate the situation as it progresses. Disagreements are fine, but it doesn't need to get out of control (like I sometimes see). My .02, anyway.I don't believe I even mentioned Henry.Yes, I'm watching the same game. The particular run I'm talking about he did have very good burst. The announcers mentioned his "acceleration" on the same play. It would be better if we all forgot about Henry vs. McGahee & just evaluated how each one looks (granted, Henry had very few chances).I have to wonder if we're watching the same game. I don't see anywhere near the burst he had at UM. I see a guy with excellent vision, but he's running "cautiously" in my estimation. That's all to be expected, however. It is his first full organized game since the injury.There's that burst. Willis is literally looking better on every carry. He's getting more & more confident.
Now, as far as McGahee & Henry, man, I like a lot more out of what I see from McGahee than I do from Henry. Henry is obviously a very solid NFL RB, but McGahee brings a whole different element to the table. He's the type of RB who can scare Ds and force them to do things they don't want to do. The kid's a player, no doubt.
ILUVBEER99
Footballguy
I don't think most people are saying that McGahee is going to take the job right away. The point is that Henry has risk, which Henry supporters don't seem to want to admit.McGahee is going to share some of the load with Henry, and if the Buffalo brass feels he gives them a better chance to win games then it is possible that McGahee will get the majority of those carries. They don't have to show any loyalty to Henry, even he knows his days as a Bill are numbered. He won't accept anything but being a feature back, as evidenced by his #####ing and moaning in the press this past week. That combined with the fact that the Buffalo staff says that both are going to get work seems to imply to me that Henry will not be happy.If Henry keeps up his #####ing it will make it that much easier for Buffalo to work McGahee in more extensively throughout the year. Even if Henry learns to keep his mouth shut once Buffalo falls out of contention McGahee will get the bulk of the work IMO.I think Henry is a very solid RB, it just sucks for him that if McGahee is healthy he is more talented and has the ability to become elite, something Henry doesn't have.I don't get how people feel there is no way that McGahee will significantly effect Henry's numbers, at least at some point this season.Buffalo out of contention = McGahee getting the bulk of workEven if Buffalo is in contention it isn't too far fetched to think that McGahee could take over.Henry = tons of risk this year, and i'm not basing it at all on tonights game, he's had a ton of risk all offseason.
